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2012-12-19 10:35:32 AM  
Type 2 diabetes is also known as big bone syndrome or "I`ll make up any excuse for being a fatass other than I eat too much and don`t exercise"
 
2012-12-19 10:37:51 AM  
"After two years about one in 11 adults in the intervention group experienced at least partial remission of their diabetes", sorry not worth the effort.
 
2012-12-19 10:40:57 AM  
The down side is that it does it by killing you.
 
2012-12-19 10:40:58 AM  

dready zim: Type 2 diabetes is also known as big bone syndrome or "I`ll make up any excuse for being a fatass other than I eat too much and don`t exercise"


Or fark I got a desk job and 10 years later I can't see my dick!
 
2012-12-19 10:44:46 AM  
Intensive Intents and exercise may cure Type 2 diabetes

Pette piev
 
2012-12-19 10:45:08 AM  
No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.
 
2012-12-19 10:47:11 AM  
That's no way to get a free scooter.
 
2012-12-19 10:48:22 AM  

pc_gator: "After two years about one in 11 adults in the intervention group experienced at least partial remission of their diabetes", sorry not worth the effort.


Of course not...at least for persons who are already lazy, obese, gluttonous type II pigspeople. If that doesn't describe you, yet you have type II, get yourself a copy of New Atkins for a New You, and get on and stick to the diet. Those who do get down into their normal weight range easily and cure themselves of the diabeetees.

Oh, and you don't even need to exercise.
 
2012-12-19 10:49:48 AM  
Circus training: It's in tents.
 
2012-12-19 10:49:52 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.


At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no 
 
2012-12-19 10:51:42 AM  

gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no


You're tempting fate there. You might get hit by a bus, and he'll mutter "told ya so" between bites of KFC.
 
2012-12-19 10:52:37 AM  
I say we round up all the fatties and torture them for shiats and giggles.
 
2012-12-19 11:04:11 AM  

Stone Meadow: pc_gator: "After two years about one in 11 adults in the intervention group experienced at least partial remission of their diabetes", sorry not worth the effort.

Of course not...at least for persons who are already lazy, obese, gluttonous type II pigspeople. If that doesn't describe you, yet you have type II, get yourself a copy of New Atkins for a New You, and get on and stick to the diet. Those who do get down into their normal weight range easily and cure themselves of the diabeetees.

Oh, and you don't even need to exercise.


Did you read TFA? As was pointed out in the post you responded to, only about 9% saw any result and most of that was temporary. Once you've got Type II diabetes you've probably screwed up your pancreas beyond repair.
 
2012-12-19 11:06:09 AM  

lewismarktwo: I say we round up all the fatties and torture them for shiats and giggles.


You must be a Republican, a criminal, and a sadist. In other words scum of the farking earth.
 
2012-12-19 11:06:14 AM  
So, for all intents and purposes, exercise is good for you? How about that? I did not see that one coming.
 
2012-12-19 11:08:24 AM  
"The interventions aimed to help individuals limit daily calories to 1,200 to 1,800-in particular by reducing saturated fat intake"

Type 2 diabetes is characterized insulin resistance, caused by excess sugar intake. Dietary fat has no impact on blood sugar. Should have reduced calories by reducing simple sugars instead. Cut out the sodas and donuts and watch your type 2 diabetes go away. Exercise doesn't hurt, since it will force you to burn that extra sugar too.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:08 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: lewismarktwo: I say we round up all the fatties and torture them for shiats and giggles.

You must be a Republican, a criminal, and a sadist. In other words scum of the farking earth.


You sound fat.
 
2012-12-19 11:13:13 AM  
Still waiting for someone who actually has the disease to contribute a useful comment.
 
2012-12-19 11:15:19 AM  

Stone Meadow: Of course not...at least for persons who are already lazy, obese, gluttonous type II pigspeople. If that doesn't describe you, yet you have type II, get yourself a copy of New Atkins for a New You, and get on and stick to the diet. Those who do get down into their normal weight range easily and cure themselves of the diabeetees.

Oh, and you don't even need to exercise.


Pretty much this. Atkins does go a bit far on the carb reduction for most people. Just dropping to the 100g/day range is about right for most Europeans and a heckuva lot easier to get people to try. It also doesn't do enough to encourage real foods instead of processed crap.

10 years ago I was pre-diabetic. 20 years old and 5'10" 270#. These days I'm about 175 and have a fasting blood sugar of 70.
 
2012-12-19 11:16:14 AM  
I lost 160lbs. after I found out that my father and his twin brother and my maternal grandfather were all insulin-taking type 2 diabetics. My dad started on insulin five or six years before I found out about it.

So anyway, I'll probably wind up having it too, but at least I'm pretty sure I put it off until I'm a lot older.
 
2012-12-19 11:22:05 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Did you read TFA? As was pointed out in the post you responded to, only about 9% saw any result and most of that was temporary. Once you've got Type II diabetes you've probably screwed up your pancreas beyond repair.


Yes, yes, and no. The "study" was fatally flawed from the outset. Half the participants got told three times a year to eat less and exercise more...and essentially none got any benefit from it. Duh...they were already obese, inactive and type II.

The other half got more frequent contact, but advised to starve themselves on a high-carb, low-fat diet that is practically impossible to stay on. Hence, almost none got any benefit from it. Duh...they were already obese, inactive and type II.

High-carb diets stimulate insulin production which leads to the double whammy of fat storage/insulin insensitivity AND appetite stimulation, leading to more eating which leads to more fat storage, and so forth. Lowering ones total carb on this diet doesn't lead to curing type II. It leads to people cheating and gaining MORE weight and aggravating their diabetes.

In contrast, as more and more people are recognizing, the real key to effective weight loss and defeating type II is to go on a high-fat, low-carb diet. Dietary fat turns off your hunger response, lowers blood sugar and prompts your body to burn stored fats, leading to weight loss. Over time, it also allows your cells to regain normal insulin sensitivity resulting in the diabetes disappearing.

Here are three books that fill in all the gaps:
New Atkins for a New You
Wheat Belly
Why We Get Fat and What to do About It
 
2012-12-19 11:24:43 AM  

Stone Meadow: Lowering ones total carbcalories on this diet doesn't lead to curing type II. It leads to people cheating and gaining MORE weight and aggravating their diabetes.


FTFM
 
2012-12-19 11:28:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: That's no way to get a free scooter.



Hoveround takes me where I want to be.  Where will it send me?
 
2012-12-19 11:33:30 AM  
Hi Type 2 here. No, you can not cure diabetes, but you can control it. Since my Dx, I have changed both my eating and exercise. My bloodwork today shows no signs of diabetes, but if I were to eat a Big Mac, fries and have a Coke my glucose numbers would soar.

/running 10Ks
//no carby goodness for me
/// lost 50 lbs
////Slashies!!
 
2012-12-19 11:33:57 AM  

gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no


You should Google Jim Fixx
 
2012-12-19 11:34:02 AM  
Bringing blood sugar levels down is not a cure.

And intensive exercise is not the only way to do that. It certainly helps, because more muscle acts a place for excess sugar to go.

But you can get quite good results by going on a low carb diet. I have. My HbA1c level fluctuates around 5.5. 6 is considered normal. Anytime I ask if I can be in an diabetes treatment study, I am always rejected due to my low A1c.

While I normally take metformin, my doctor took me off for an extended period (3 months). My A1c after that period was 0.1 higher than while I was on it. I'm not sure the drug does much on my diet, but every little bit helps.

Humans can basically get their calories from fat and carbs. There is a path from protein, but its minor. These days people are media programed to say fat is bad, and low fat is good. But the human machine is made to run on both. My rough mental model of what diabetes is is that you have damaged one side of your dual fuel machinery by running it too hot. Start running on the other fuel.

IMHO that 'fat is bad' attitude is how we got screwed up so bad. Companies marketing refined carbs as healthier than traditional food, because is is 'low fat'.

The guy who wrote the book on this low carb approach is Dr Richard Bernstien. He's also the guy who started the idea of frequent blood testing of diabetics. He is an engineer who went back to school to get his MD. But it is because he is an engineer that this method was developed. His wife was an MD before him, and because she was an MD, he was able to get access to a blood sugar testing device that would normally be restricted to emergancy room use (to distinguish between alcohol intoxication and diabetic problems). So he was able to test many times a day, and approached the data as an engineering problem.

I'd suggest people look at his book, or the data available online. Its probably not for everyone, but I suspect for most it'd work. It'll bring blood sugars down. I doubt that following ADA guidelines will do anything but leave you shooting insulin for the rest of your life.

But I wouldn't call the diet a cure. Diabetes messes up way more stuff than blood sugar control, and fixing sugar levels doesn't make it all go away.
 
2012-12-19 11:49:45 AM  
Don't tell ME to exercise, you DADGUM COMMANIST!!!

I'll exercise my right to EXACT VENGEANCE!!!!

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2012-12-19 11:57:56 AM  

gingerjet: At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?


This past summer, my wife was running an 18 mile race. I was on bike meeting her at different checkpoints and carrying water, "Gu", etc. I biked ahead at one point and came across a volunteer stationed on the street corner who was there to tell runners which way to go. He was on the ground and had collapsed for some reason. I got off the bike and started CPR. Someone called 911. A cop finally arrived and we used an AED to shock him while waiting for the ambulance. While the paramedics continued to work on him at the scene his wife, a volunteer from another street corner nearby, was telling me how he had just run 20 miles the day before. He was 64. He didn't make it.

While you improve your overall health by being active and fit, you seriously never know.
 
2012-12-19 12:10:40 PM  

Leopold Stotch: "The interventions aimed to help individuals limit daily calories to 1,200 to 1,800-in particular by reducing saturated fat intake"

Type 2 diabetes is characterized insulin resistance, caused by excess sugar intake. Dietary fat has no impact on blood sugar. Should have reduced calories by reducing simple sugars instead. Cut out the sodas and donuts and watch your type 2 diabetes go away. Exercise doesn't hurt, since it will force you to burn that extra sugar too.


I think the researchers had visceral fat in mind, since it's linked to Type 2 diabetes, and some researchers suspect it stresses the pancreas and other organs.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:25 PM  

stuhayes2010: gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no

You should Google Jim Fixx


And then talk to your cardiologist and tell him that you have a family history of heart disease, and your brother had to have stents at age 40.

Jim Fixx lived a relatively healthy lifestyle, but he only lived nine years longer than his dad. If he had the benefit of modern diagnostic and treatment of blocked arteries, with his lifestyle he might still be alive today.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:36 PM  

Stone Meadow: Here are three books that fill in all the gaps:
New Atkins for a New You
Wheat Belly
Why We Get Fat and What to do About It


Which of those are peer reviewed studies following real protocols?
 
2012-12-19 12:30:59 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Stone Meadow: Here are three books that fill in all the gaps:
New Atkins for a New You
Wheat Belly
Why We Get Fat and What to do About It

Which of those are peer reviewed studies following real protocols?


There are some research articles that support this type of diet. The JAMA for June 27 has a good tripple cross over design comparing diets. Physicians know that low carb diets work. The older docs and recent grads looking into nutrition are more likely to know this data
 
2012-12-19 12:35:52 PM  
I've lost nearly 40lbs just changing my diet. Now I just need to get my fat ass to the gym.
 
2012-12-19 12:37:29 PM  

WinoRhino: While you improve your overall health by being active and fit, you seriously never know.


Threads about diet seem to invariably devolve into first-world problems vs. longevity.  Wish that didn't have to happen.
 
FWIW, I don't watch what I eat out of some misguided goal to live 'til I'm 90.  I like having a high energy level.  I like being able to dance with my girl.  I like having a natural spring in my step.  Once time I missed a bus; the next one was going to arrive in an hour.  I just shrugged and walked the three miles home.  I like having that option.  Being in shape is not some pitiful reward of vanity if you torture yourself.  It's the other way around.  From my perspective, eating crap and indulging in bad habits (as yummy as donuts are) doesn't make up for the horrible consequences.  I like donuts, just not enough to pay with my mobility.  I had to work with a bunch of obese salesmen at my last job; their only form of catharsis was drinking.  They had all sorts of health problems and couldn't travel half a mile for lunch without needing to take a car.  They were miserable.  And worst of all, I've lost a few friends to obesity.  These were otherwise nice and productive people that just couldn't kick their bad habits.
 
Don't tell me this is a willing choice; as if anyone enjoys being immobile, uncomfortable and bitter.  I know you can't change people but it's frustrating to watch people eat themselves to an early grave and sometimes shame is the only means of getting them some clarity.
 
2012-12-19 12:50:02 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Stone Meadow: Here are three books that fill in all the gaps:
New Atkins for a New You
Wheat Belly
Why We Get Fat and What to do About It

Which of those are peer reviewed studies following real protocols?


Wheat Belly and Why We Get Fat are both extensively referenced. New Atkins is less so, but is carefully written by three docs who specialize in treating heart disease and type II for a general audience who wants to address the issues. Thus it is more of a "how to" book for obese type II diabetics. Nonetheless, there is more science and physiology (and citations) in it than all but the most informed reader will want.
 
2012-12-19 12:51:13 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Stone Meadow: pc_gator: "After two years about one in 11 adults in the intervention group experienced at least partial remission of their diabetes", sorry not worth the effort.

Of course not...at least for persons who are already lazy, obese, gluttonous type II pigspeople. If that doesn't describe you, yet you have type II, get yourself a copy of New Atkins for a New You, and get on and stick to the diet. Those who do get down into their normal weight range easily and cure themselves of the diabeetees.

Oh, and you don't even need to exercise.

Did you read TFA? As was pointed out in the post you responded to, only about 9% saw any result and most of that was temporary. Once you've got Type II diabetes you've probably screwed up your pancreas beyond repair.


Type 1 is when your beta cells can't produce insulin and you need exogenous insulin. Type 2 is insulin resistance by muscles but exercise will increase the need for insulin uptake and reduce, if not eliminate, resistance
 
2012-12-19 12:52:55 PM  
A ketogenic diet may also cure type 2 diabetes, but not prevent the underlying insulin resistance the body has (meaning you don't get to go back to scarfing down pasta, bread and sugars which got your fat ass fat to begin with).
 
2012-12-19 01:00:24 PM  

The_Time_Master: A ketogenic diet may also cure type 2 diabetes, but not prevent the underlying insulin resistance the body has (meaning you don't get to go back to scarfing down pasta, bread and sugars which got your fat ass fat to begin with).


So are you saying that if you do something that makes you sick, then stop doing that thing and get well, that going back to doing that same thing that made you sick before will make you sick again?

www.quotesworthrepeating.com 

Inconceivable!!
 
2012-12-19 01:17:24 PM  

Leopold Stotch: "The interventions aimed to help individuals limit daily calories to 1,200 to 1,800-in particular by reducing saturated fat intake"

Type 2 diabetes is characterized insulin resistance, caused by excess sugar intake. Dietary fat has no impact on blood sugar. Should have reduced calories by reducing simple sugars instead. Cut out the sodas and donuts and watch your type 2 diabetes go away. Exercise doesn't hurt, since it will force you to burn that extra sugar too.


In addition to cutting out simple sugar, eat as much saturated fat as you can - http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller38.1.html
 
2012-12-19 01:24:16 PM  

KerwoodDerby: Leopold Stotch: "The interventions aimed to help individuals limit daily calories to 1,200 to 1,800-in particular by reducing saturated fat intake"

Type 2 diabetes is characterized insulin resistance, caused by excess sugar intake. Dietary fat has no impact on blood sugar. Should have reduced calories by reducing simple sugars instead. Cut out the sodas and donuts and watch your type 2 diabetes go away. Exercise doesn't hurt, since it will force you to burn that extra sugar too.

I think the researchers had visceral fat in mind, since it's linked to Type 2 diabetes, and some researchers suspect it stresses the pancreas and other organs.


Visceral fat has nothing to do with dietary fat.
 
2012-12-19 01:25:37 PM  
So, us real diabetics read "Type 2 diabetes" as "Fat people diabetes," old people get a pass.

When read through those goggles, the headline is redundant:

"Intensive exercise may cure Fat people diabetes."
 
2012-12-19 01:26:05 PM  
Personally I think that Atkins goes a bit far, but Paleo seems to hit the sweet spot. Read some Cordain, both the original Paleo book and the Paleo Diet for Athletes. Interesting stuff in there.

Especially if you are going to combine a specific diet with heavy exercise. Atkins is no good for that.

And correct me if I'm wrong about Bernstein but he's the extreme low carb advocate? Like no such thing as a good carb type (vs say enjoy your sweet potatoes and beets)
 
2012-12-19 01:35:40 PM  

WinoRhino: gingerjet: At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?

This past summer, my wife was running an 18 mile race. I was on bike meeting her at different checkpoints and carrying water, "Gu", etc. I biked ahead at one point and came across a volunteer stationed on the street corner who was there to tell runners which way to go. He was on the ground and had collapsed for some reason. I got off the bike and started CPR. Someone called 911. A cop finally arrived and we used an AED to shock him while waiting for the ambulance. While the paramedics continued to work on him at the scene his wife, a volunteer from another street corner nearby, was telling me how he had just run 20 miles the day before. He was 64. He didn't make it.

While you improve your overall health by being active and fit, you seriously never know.


I remember an article about how running long distances is bad for your heart. I think it said a marathon should be a once or twice a lifetime thing instead of once or twice a month to avoid negative health effects. 3 times a week for an hour is enough, the rest is just masochism in my opinion. Shame for the guy and his wife though.
 
2012-12-19 01:36:50 PM  
As someone in the process of reversing my own 'beetus, I'd suggest cherry-picker mitter re-read the study it was Diet AND exercise, and I strongly suspect that exercise's main benefit is that it gets you out of doors more and increases your exposure to the sun which mean you make more Vit D.
 
Vit D. is isanely critical to how efficently your body uses insulin and most US adults are deficient.  Some research actually suggests that its deficiency is the major reason type II diabetes happens.  Being fat is actually a symptom not a cause of the metabolic spiral that cuases type II diabetes:  As your body  stops being able to use insulin efficently, it has to make more, which starts a spiral downward since you body also increases its insulin resistance.  And as Doc Atkins and others have proven Insulin is the trigger for the production of the microhormone (eicosaniod) that causes your body to produce body fat
 
/went Low carb after my diagnosis 2 1/2 month ago.   My fasting sugar at diagnosis was 304 (11.5 A1c)  . I take 2mg (minimum dose) of Glimeperimide a day (metformin made me very ill) and my 14 day avg sugar is currently 120 (30-day is 130), and tends to range from a high of 135-40 in the mornings to <100 after dinner.  Hoping to be one of those that "reverses" the disease
 
//Onions seem to really really help.  I can only eat them when I low carb (otherwise a genetic quirk make them nearly indigestible to me) but they seem to have been responsible for whacking 40 points off my morning sugar when I eat them with the evening meal
 
2012-12-19 01:37:46 PM  

gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

 
YMMV.
 
At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no 

 
 
Jim Fixx wants a word with you
 
2012-12-19 01:53:03 PM  

machoprogrammer: KerwoodDerby: Leopold Stotch: "The interventions aimed to help individuals limit daily calories to 1,200 to 1,800-in particular by reducing saturated fat intake"

Type 2 diabetes is characterized insulin resistance, caused by excess sugar intake. Dietary fat has no impact on blood sugar. Should have reduced calories by reducing simple sugars instead. Cut out the sodas and donuts and watch your type 2 diabetes go away. Exercise doesn't hurt, since it will force you to burn that extra sugar too.

I think the researchers had visceral fat in mind, since it's linked to Type 2 diabetes, and some researchers suspect it stresses the pancreas and other organs.

Visceral fat has nothing to do with dietary fat.


Right you are! But fat loss was the intended result of the regimen, not merely reduction in blood glucose.
 
2012-12-19 01:53:23 PM  
I work for a company selling herbal supplements for type 2 diabetics so I'm getting a kick.
Though we also stress exercise, healthy eating and other things to help.
 
2012-12-19 01:59:46 PM  
My wife had gestational Diabetes while she was pregnant.

We tested her Blood sugar 4 times a day.

The only time she had a reading over 120 was the few times we were both to tired to cook and had fast food.

/not sure how that equates with type 2
 
2012-12-19 02:03:24 PM  

geocacherphil: Hi Type 2 here. No, you can not cure diabetes, but you can control it. Since my Dx, I have changed both my eating and exercise. My bloodwork today shows no signs of diabetes, but if I were to eat a Big Mac, fries and have a Coke my glucose numbers would soar.

 
/running 10Ks
//no carby goodness for me
/// lost 50 lbs
////Slashies!!

 
 
As a fellow type II'er very recently diagnosed I'll ask if you've had your Vit D. Level checked and if you tak a supplement,  it can make a big difference.  As to "curing" Type II, I'll just note this anecdote: in 2000 I weighed 370lb and was (self-diagnosed) pre-diabetic in that my BS would get so low between meals that my hands would literally shake. (back then I exercised every day for an hour 1/2 cardio 1/2 weights) I did the low carb thing and lost 85 lbs in 3 month and 100 in 5.  I spent a year tapering off the low carb thing (about 100 carbs/day)  then after getting married having a kid etc basically began to eat like crap again.  In the next ten years I only gain back around 30 lbs and until recently had no sugar issues.  Now obviously my recent diagnosis show that eventually the diabetes came back, but my first burst of low-carbing seems to have bought me a decade before full onset.  I'm hoping that happens again this time (already lost 30lbs and sugars stay under 130 most days) and that the perscription level of Vit D supplemenatation and boosted Chromium intake re-sensitizes my body to insulin enough that they amount my pancreas can still produce is sufficent for normal, but lower-carb eating.
 
MY doc says it's a feasible strategy so we'll see.
 
2012-12-19 02:07:14 PM  

gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no


Don't get hit by a bus!
 
2012-12-19 02:19:39 PM  
Disease caused by being a fat pos goes away if you start being just a regular pos. News at 11.
 
2012-12-19 02:47:09 PM  

gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no



RAGBRAI sounds a lot healthier that it is.  I ate so many hotdogs, BBQ sandwhiches, and the like.  Not too mention the beer.
 
/2003 and 2004
//That was a hell of a time
 
2012-12-19 02:50:29 PM  
Food fight thread!
 
Eat to Live
 
/lots of research
//also not on Quackwatch
 
2012-12-19 02:57:54 PM  

WinoRhino: gingerjet: At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?

This past summer, my wife was running an 18 mile race. I was on bike meeting her at different checkpoints and carrying water, "Gu", etc. I biked ahead at one point and came across a volunteer stationed on the street corner who was there to tell runners which way to go. He was on the ground and had collapsed for some reason. I got off the bike and started CPR. Someone called 911. A cop finally arrived and we used an AED to shock him while waiting for the ambulance. While the paramedics continued to work on him at the scene his wife, a volunteer from another street corner nearby, was telling me how he had just run 20 miles the day before. He was 64. He didn't make it.

While you improve your overall health by being active and fit, you seriously never know.


Your wife is a serious runner and doesn't have a belt to carry her own gels? Also, were there no water stations along the course? In a summer race?
 
2012-12-19 03:11:08 PM  
What the hell is wrong with you people?

www.geekation.com
 
2012-12-19 04:08:35 PM  
Saw an interview with a Doctor about Type 1 vs Type 2. His statement was along the lines of:

"All my Type 1 patients are fastidious about their diet and exercise. If any of my Type 2 patients took the same level of care most of them wouldn't have diabetes anymore.
 
2012-12-19 04:42:28 PM  

Nogale: Your wife is a serious runner and doesn't have a belt to carry her own gels? Also, were there no water stations along the course? In a summer race?


Really? That's your comment?
I'll let you think a bit on it and get back to me later if you want.
 
2012-12-19 04:57:57 PM  

WinoRhino: Nogale: Your wife is a serious runner and doesn't have a belt to carry her own gels? Also, were there no water stations along the course? In a summer race?

Really? That's your comment?
I'll let you think a bit on it and get back to me later if you want.


It's not like someone could possibly enjoy supporting their spouse. Clearly she nagged you into following her around on a pink girl's bike with a flowered basket and little bell just to emasculate you.
 
2012-12-19 05:00:32 PM  

Caeldan: And correct me if I'm wrong about Bernstein but he's the extreme low carb advocate? Like no such thing as a good carb type (vs say enjoy your sweet potatoes and beets)

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Bernstein is a 'non-fat people' diabetic himself, and designed his regimen for his type-1 needs. To avoid large excusions (high or low). So his diet does reduce carb input more severely than some other diets. He wanted 'small numbers' because small numbers lead to smaller errors when calculating doses.

But the diet helps type-2 too.

I think he had his A1C down to 4.7 last time I saw it mentioned
 
2012-12-19 05:08:25 PM  

SDRR: gingerjet: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

At age 40 my brother had a heart attack.  At age 40 I biked across Iowa.  At age 44 my brother had a second heart attack.  I'm not to age 44 yet - but my plan is to do a triathlon.  One of us will reach the age of 50.  Will it be the fat fark who sits on the couch all day who smokes and now has three stents in his chest?
 
/no

Don't get hit by a bus!


assets.dstatic.org
 
2012-12-19 05:39:31 PM  
When I exercise, my blood sugar normalizes. I also fit better in my pants and have toner body parts.

That's all I need to worry about. Weight? Who cares. Looks? Who cares. Am I eating right and exercising regularly? Yup? Then who cares.

Diets cause stress and stress causes weight loss. Enjoy your life and be happy with who you are.
 
2012-12-19 05:45:09 PM  
Why the fark hasn't anyone mentioned this before????
 
2012-12-19 06:01:30 PM  

dready zim: I remember an article about how running long distances is bad for your heart. I think it said a marathon should be a once or twice a lifetime thing instead of once or twice a month to avoid negative health effects. 3 times a week for an hour is enough, the rest is just masochism in my opinion.


To clarify, it's not the distance; it's the overall exertion.  Marathon runners don't just run 26 miles often; many are competitive, meaning they're in such a hurry to finish them.  That is some serious stress on the heart.
 
The human body is in fact one of the best organisms in nature at overland running, but we're adapted for cruising.  It's safer to jog lightly for 40 miles at 4-6mph than average 10+mph over 26 miles like a serious marathon runner.
 
2012-12-19 06:04:29 PM  

WhippingBoy: Why the fark hasn't anyone mentioned this before????


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-19 06:17:31 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Saw an interview with a Doctor about Type 1 vs Type 2. His statement was along the lines of:

"All my Type 1 patients are fastidious about their diet and exercise. If any of my Type 2 patients took the same level of care most of them wouldn't have diabetes anymore.


Sure, but most, if not all, of his Type 1's would be dead if they didn't live that strictly. It's not necessarily a fair comparison. Type 2's more closely resemble the lifestyle habits of the general population by a longshot.

I guess what I'm saying is take diabetes out of the equation and you're left with most of the patients that eat right and exercise being healthier than the patients that do not.
 
2012-12-19 06:19:06 PM  
Hmm, that came out somewhat fragmented. My sugar must be low.
 
2012-12-19 10:01:53 PM  
Yes, exercise and dieting is hard. People need motivation to work out and diet. This story is not new or interesting.
 
2012-12-19 10:24:34 PM  
I've forced my Type 2 diabetes into remission.

I'd been somewhat sedentary for about 10 years, got up to 182lbs (5'-9") and went for a blood test for life insurance and found my blood sugar was triple the usual maximum. I lost 20 lbs, exercise 4 times a week, leave the car in the driveway and walk if it's less than 15 minutes, bike in the summer- and watch what I eat. Now my blood sugar is normal. Even the occasional pig-out on biryani and naan (love Indian food) doesn't send my blood sugar above normal. Haven't had to take meds and I'll try to avoid them for as long as possible.
 
2012-12-19 10:27:25 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.


i see what needed to be said has been covered
 
2012-12-19 11:41:53 PM  
Type II diabetes is NOT a disease, it is a symptom. the disease is a crappy lifestyle.

I know from personal experience that it simply goes away if you stop eating like shiat and work out.

It is far more profitable for the health care industry to treat the symptom than admit that it isnt a disease.
 
2012-12-19 11:44:45 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Saw an interview with a Doctor about Type 1 vs Type 2. His statement was along the lines of:

"All my Type 1 patients are fastidious about their diet and exercise. If any of my Type 2 patients took the same level of care most of them wouldn't have diabetes anymore.


If he knows what the problem is, I wonder why he doesent treat them. oh yeah. money.
 
2012-12-20 12:20:17 AM  

loonatic112358: Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.

YMMV.

i see what needed to be said has been covered


I think people forget about the mental health aspect of a healthy lifestyle. The interesting thing is your mental outlook can be your best or worst enemy. It can help keep you physically well or fark with your heart, blood sugar, lots of physical aspects of you.
 
2012-12-20 12:32:22 AM  
I think I'll wait for someone more motivated than me to make a cure that doesn't involve so much effort on my part.
 
2012-12-20 04:20:30 AM  
Lol I'm going to end up with cancer,Alzheimer or genetic heart disease anyways.
 
2012-12-20 09:34:37 AM  

I sound fat: Type II diabetes is NOT a disease, it is a symptom. the disease is a crappy lifestyle.

I know from personal experience that it simply goes away if you stop eating like shiat and work out.

It is far more profitable for the health care industry to treat the symptom than admit that it isnt a disease.


For the vast majority of people with it, yes. But not everyone
 
2012-12-20 12:38:06 PM  
I sound fat: If he knows what the problem is, I wonder why he doesent treat them. oh yeah. money.

Fat people don't listen.

There are people that I went to high school with, who now weigh 100lbs more than I do.

I know they got the same "eat right, exercise, etc" drummed into them at school that I did.

I feel bad about being 10 pounds overweight (15 years at a desk job), but these folks, they just don't give a damn.
 
2012-12-22 10:44:25 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: No shiat. Diet, exercise, mental health all seem to reduce symptoms. It's called leading a healthy lifestyle.


The scary part is how many people, sick and healthy alike, would consider these sorts of interventions more drastic than surgery.
 
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