zabadu: You can't fix stupid.
Generation_D: The NRA needs to be closed down. They've contributed to a culture of armed violence and blocked reasonable attempts to require registration and require gun safety and training. Most of my gun owning friends agree. None are NRA members, couldn't handle the derp. I think responsible and well trained gun ownership is possible, but the NRA has made sure that instead we have an effing shooting gallery made up of untrained armed asswits. It needs to stop. Shut the effing NRA down, then have a reasonable discussion on what can and cannot be done to fix the mess the NRA significantly helped to create.
I drunk what: WhippingBoy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I understand people wanting to place the blame on an inanimate object. For most of us, it's hard to grasp the idea that a human can be capable of killing children. But at the end of the day, it was a very sick and twisted person that killed all those children.If the only thing available to him was, say, a spoon, do you think he would have been able to kill as many people?we should ban spoonsthen everyone will be safe
inner ted: MythDragon: inner ted: cause you are making my case - certain aspects of firearms are only for war fighting / hunting people & don't have a reason among the general public.And guess what...we don't have them. It takes some SERIOUS paperwork/background check/expenses to own a M-16 or an AK-74.Now a single fire only weapon that LOOKS like a M-16 or AK varient is NOT the same thing as what it looks like. You can slap a Ferrari body kit on a Corolla, and while it now looks dangerous, it doesn't go any faster.i realize thisbut the point remains the same: certain aspects of firearms are reserved only for military / copscurrently it is limited as you point outi suggest including high capacity mags to thisor, in car terms: you can take a corolla and add nitrous & indeed it goes faster
Bullseyed: I also fail to see why killing kindergartners is so heinous but murdering babies is just fine.
cryinoutloud: But I also notice that people like you have already come up with "anti-gun" to describe people who'd like some better rules for how and who owns guns
GAT_00: Woo, one. Find 5 worldwide in the last 10 years. Mother Jones detailed 62 mass shootings in the US in just the last 30 years and half of those were in the last 10.
megarian: In rare cases, one should be able to deny someone a gun base on looks alone. If this chick walked into your store and wanted a gun, wouldn't you take one look at her and think, "mmmno...no no... Just no. "/kidding//kind of
you have pee hands: vegasj: Not really. Why do you wish to look past the fact they are all medicated? Perhaps wrongly medicated even?I may have misinterpreted your point. If so, sorry. A lot of people are wringing their hands and blaming spree shootings on the state of US mental health medical care or the fact that crazy people are getting access to guns, when that had nothing to do with this case at all. The kid was clearly crazy but he came from a family well off enough to afford mental health care and he didn't buy the guns so a psychological background check for weapons purchase wouldn't have mattered either.
you have pee hands: vegasj: If SSRI meds = anti-psychotic meds... thenExcellent point and I've been trying to get this info out there... It's only an excellent point in the cases where the guns weren't stolen.
hinten: Watch all the gun nuts hone in on "semi-automatic" vs actually engaging in a constructive discussion and solution. And, yes, this situation does require a solution.
Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.
Girion47: fark bullies, they're to blame for school shootings.Want to end the violence?Teach your little shiats that picking on kids in school is dangerous to their lives, that every time they shove them into a locker, laugh at them, make fun of their clothing, or call them poor, they're getting one step closer to that kid snapping.
Pud: At least it wasn't a full automatic assault handgun like an AK-Glock. That would have been REALLY bad
dustygrimp: Flakeloaf: "Hispanic, Christian cisgendered woman threatens white atheist student bullies with semi-automatic assault glock and pit-bull. Sexting."Am I doing this right?FTFY
inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.I don't understand people like that. There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same. It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same daybut, you know, it's in chinawhich isn't the u.s. or israelso it doesn't countright?/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help
vegasj: Not really. Why do you wish to look past the fact they are all medicated? Perhaps wrongly medicated even?
CruJones: Wow, a semi-automatic? Those should be banned! All guns should hold one bullet max./even shotguns are semi-auto often
Fail in Human Form: Carn: Fail in Human Form: Carn: This text is now purple: Carn: This text is now purple: Carn: Me either. Well, there are mass knifings, but as has been mentioned a lot, the outcome such as at the one in China last Friday, is much different. 22 Wounded vs 27 dead.China had three separate school incidents in 2010 alone of knife attacks resulting in multiple fatalities.How many, exactly?Three.Cute. How many deaths? How about this, you pick your four best school stabbings in the last 13 years and we'll compare that with the four US school shootings with the most victims and compare shall we?VA Tech 2007 - 32 dead, 17 injuredNewtown 2012 - 27 dead (and his mother)Columbine 1999 - 13 dead, 21 injuredRed Lake 2004 - 7 dead, 5 injured (also killed 2 others before the school)Total: 79 dead, 43 injured. An average of 20 dead and 10 injured per incident over four shootings.It's obviously not the body count that bothers you. Many more people die of a multitude of preventable things every year, so what is it about firearms that pushes your panic button?Nice strawman. It should actually be obvious that the body count IS what bothers me. Oh and maybe the fact that we're talking about little kids. Who says I'm not in favor of preventing whatever other preventable deaths you are imagining?Then why single out firearms ownership, a constitutionally protected right? How about we ban all fast food and you fight as hard for that as you're fighting against guns rights? It would save far many more lives every year.
Rapmaster2000: This wouldn't have happened with a bolt-action handgun.
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