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2012-12-19 01:05:28 PM

Pud: At least it wasn't a full automatic assault handgun like an AK-Glock. That would have been REALLY bad


Thats an AK-15-Glock, dumbass.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:48 PM

hinten: Watch all the gun nuts hone in on "semi-automatic" vs actually engaging in a constructive discussion and solution. And, yes, this situation does require a solution.


Watch all the liar liberals make shiat up to prevent a rational discussion from occurring, replacing it instead with a hysterical emotional one.

These people have HEAT SEEKING AUTOMATIC GUNS they just hold them and it aims at the heads of babies and kills them!!!!


I also fail to see why killing kindergartners is so heinous but murdering babies is just fine.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:53 PM

Carn: Giltric: Carn: This text is now purple: Carn: This text is now purple: Carn: Me either. Well, there are mass knifings, but as has been mentioned a lot, the outcome such as at the one in China last Friday, is much different. 22 Wounded vs 27 dead.

China had three separate school incidents in 2010 alone of knife attacks resulting in multiple fatalities.

How many, exactly?

Three.

Cute. How many deaths? How about this, you pick your four best school stabbings in the last 13 years and we'll compare that with the four US school shootings with the most victims and compare shall we?

VA Tech 2007 - 32 dead, 17 injured
Newtown 2012 - 27 dead (and his mother)
Columbine 1999 - 13 dead, 21 injured
Red Lake 2004 - 7 dead, 5 injured (also killed 2 others before the school)

Total: 79 dead, 43 injured. An average of 20 dead and 10 injured per incident over four shootings.

Seriously....I mean 17k children are injured per year from school bus accidents...and some of those bus drivers were even drunk.

So you're going with the "I'm pro drunk school bus drivers" strawman argument or was it the "injuries in school bus accidents are just as bad as being shot in the face in the middle of class" moral false equivalency? Perhaps you'd like to follow up with an adhominem attack for the tri-fecta?


Nope...I'm just gonna let you keep talking.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:15 PM

Bullseyed: hinten: Watch all the gun nuts hone in on "semi-automatic" vs actually engaging in a constructive discussion and solution. And, yes, this situation does require a solution.

Watch all the liar liberals make shiat up to prevent a rational discussion from occurring, replacing it instead with a hysterical emotional one.

These people have HEAT SEEKING AUTOMATIC GUNS they just hold them and it aims at the heads of babies and kills them!!!!


I also fail to see why killing kindergartners is so heinous but murdering babies is just fine.


Well getting shot hurts a whole lot....but disecting and Cuisinarting babies in the womb that you can see react to the violence being perpetrated upon them via the ultra sound doesn't hurt at all.....we'll get over it...
 
2012-12-19 01:12:08 PM
I think we need to use "semiautomatic" for other issues. When a teacher is banging her students, can we say she had a semiautomatic vagina?
 
2012-12-19 01:13:48 PM

bigbadideasinaction:

For decades, the NRA fought to make sure anyone, anywhere could get an untraceable gun.

Now they argue that you can't ban guns because anyone, anywhere could have an untraceable gun.

They've encouraged more fear and death in America than Al-Qaeda.


Pour vous
 
2012-12-19 01:18:52 PM

GAT_00: Nutsac_Jim: GAT_00:   If you're going to do something like this, the target is chosen for a reason and it isn't because you don't expect to get shot.  It's because you want to hurt people there.

So assume the person wants to hurt people at a given location. The person obviously does not care if someone there is armed, according to you. Given that the criminal does not care about living or dying, what makes you think that having a person there to talk softly to the criminal is going to stop him.

I like how you assumed for some reason that I think you can talk these people down.  Where did that particular straw man come from?


I guess it is because i think it would be tough to find people willing to be unarmed security guards when the threat is expected to be a person willing to die.
 
2012-12-19 01:20:22 PM

bowtiesheep: bigbadideasinaction:

 
For decades, the NRA fought to make sure anyone, anywhere could get an untraceable gun.
 
Now they argue that you can't ban guns because anyone, anywhere could have an untraceable gun.
 
They've encouraged more fear and death in America than Al-Qaeda.
 
 
Pour vous
 
Linking to a Progressive website to support a Liberal accusation? 
Shocking!
 
2012-12-19 01:22:39 PM

Bullseyed: I think we need to use "semiautomatic" for other issues. When a teacher is banging her students, can we say she had a semiautomatic vagina?


Semiautomatic transmission

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 01:24:46 PM

amquelbettamin: Bullseyed: I think we need to use "semiautomatic" for other issues. When a teacher is banging her students, can we say she had a semiautomatic vagina?

Semiautomatic transmission


Semiautomatic espresso maker

espressocoffeeprofessional.com
 
2012-12-19 01:25:15 PM
I thought an armed society was a polite society?
This doesn't seem very polite.
 
2012-12-19 01:26:32 PM

frepnog: GAT_00: There are not mass knifings

um

22 stabbed


we should ban knives

and forks, spoons
 
2012-12-19 01:30:15 PM

Carn: liam76: Carn: liam76: BS.

If body count was the issue you would be looking at things that kill far more people.

What's the usual death rate among first graders? During school hours?

You realize that death during school hours isn't the same as body count, right?

How many first graders are going to die this year because of gun violence compared to traffic, pool, or alcohol related falities? You don't know or care because you don't care about "body count".

Carn: Excellent points. We have laws that determine what types of vehicles can be on the road and what safety measures they must include to be road worthy.

Yeah. We don't have laws that say you can't own a car that can go faster than the speed limit.

We don't have laws saying you can't own x type of car for personal use off the road.


Carn: We also require insurance for drivers, licenses and recurring testing.

For drivers on public roads.


Carn: We have laws that say an unfenced below ground pool is a public nuisance and if a kid makes his way into your pool and drowns himself, you are liable.

I believe in most places if your gun is left out and used to hurt someone you can be sued.


Carn: We have laws on what kind of alcoholic beverages are allowed for sale, who can make them, and they must also pass through many safety regulations set by FDA and other organizations

So what are the 'legit uses' of alcohol? Can you satisfy those legit uses by banning alcohol over 9% abv? Why are you not arguing for that?

In your mind it's impossible for me to be against gun violence, especially in schools, while also also being in favor of certain measures to improve public safety in other regards?


Carn: In your mind it's impossible for me to be against gun violence, especially in schools, while also also being in favor of certain measures to improve public safety in other regards?


I think my message had been pretty clear, I don't see why you want to make things up about "my mind".

If your concern for the safety of schopol children is "body count" (which you claimed earlier) then you would not make guns your number one priority.

If your primary concern was "gun violence" you would go after the primary source of gun crime people who obtain guns illegally.

As for the rest of the post I am just illustrating your double standards on willy nilly declaring what is "acceptable" for people to use.
 
2012-12-19 01:30:39 PM

I drunk what: frepnog: GAT_00: There are not mass knifings

um

22 stabbed

we should ban knives

and forks, spoons


You laugh, but here's a story of a grandmother forked to death by her grandson

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow /2012/12/woman-apparently-stabbe d -to-death-with-barbeque-fork-lapd-says .html
 
2012-12-19 01:32:22 PM

GAT_00: Woo, one.  Find 5 worldwide in the last 10 years.


yeah one doesn't prove anything, we need to have at least 5 examples before we can believe it's real, and if it happened before 10 years ago, they don't count, because the ancient laws of physics don't apply to the modern world

we should ban science, and critical thinking
 
2012-12-19 01:33:47 PM

amquelbettamin: You laugh


banning stuff is no laughing matter

we should ban sarcasm
 
2012-12-19 01:37:55 PM

WhippingBoy: Dear America,

Once everyone in your country has killed each other, can I have Disneyland?

Sincerely,

WhippingBoy


everyone in your country gets along with each other? can i move there?

wait does everyone agree on the intelligent correct choices? that might be important...
 
2012-12-19 01:42:42 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: bowtiesheep: bigbadideasinaction:
 
For decades, the NRA fought to make sure anyone, anywhere could get an untraceable gun.
 
Now they argue that you can't ban guns because anyone, anywhere could have an untraceable gun.
 
They've encouraged more fear and death in America than Al-Qaeda.
 
 
Pour vous
 
Linking to a Progressive website to support a Liberal accusation? 
Shocking!


What a constructive comment. May I sit and bask in your magnificence or would you like to spin the wheel and play again?

/It's all just food for thought. Appetizers. No one's interested in your gourmet sh*t sandwich, buddy
 
2012-12-19 01:47:27 PM

Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.

no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
assets.bizjournals.com
 
2012-12-19 01:51:00 PM

liam76: I think my message had been pretty clear, I don't see why you want to make things up about "my mind".

If your concern for the safety of schopol children is "body count" (which you claimed earlier) then you would not make guns your number one priority.

If your primary concern was "gun violence" you would go after the primary source of gun crime people who obtain guns illegally.

As for the rest of the post I am just illustrating your double standards on willy nilly declaring what is "acceptable" for people to use.


If there are shootings taking place in schools, then there is a problem with shootings in schools and it needs to be addressed. If there is a problem with something else that kills more children than that should also be addressed. 0 should be the accepted body count for school shootings and that should be what we strive for. I have only made some possible suggestions as to how we might try to accomplish that. Just because more children are killed in car wrecks than shootings does not mean that we should just compare them, pretend that there is no problem with school shootings, or that they are morally and socially acceptable. In this particular shooting, the attack was done with legally owned weapons. We can talk about mental health treatment as one major aspect of this problem. We can also bring up the question that if you have a mentally ill person in your home, should that effect your ability to legally own weapons?
 
2012-12-19 01:55:57 PM

kombat_unit:  Why not call a spade a spade and demand 100% civilian confiscation?


Why, so you'll have something to whine about? I notice that very few people are talking about confiscating all guns, since it's impossible. But I also notice that people like you have already come up with "anti-gun" to describe people who'd like some better rules for how and who owns guns, even though most Americans are not actually "anti-gun."

I'm a farktarded lib and I own a gun. I needed one to protect myself from some lunatic who owns a lot of guns. Some of us even enjoy them and go out shooting, or hunting. Yet we're "anti-gun." But since you have no good arguments for allowing every nutty person on earth to own highly lethal weapons, just make up another buzzword for your cause. If you can scare all the gun-huggers enough (more), it keeps you from having to defend the indefensible.
 
2012-12-19 01:56:04 PM

inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words


Think fast, which is more deadly?

www.tactical-life.com

Or

forum.gon.com
 
2012-12-19 01:57:44 PM

amquelbettamin: Think fast, which is more deadly?

www.tactical-life.com

Or

forum.gon.com


Not enough information. Range to target?
 
 
2012-12-19 01:59:58 PM

you have pee hands: amquelbettamin: Think fast, which is more deadly?

www.tactical-life.com

Or

forum.gon.com

Not enough information. Range to target?
 


Ah, by your answer it's clear you know enough to know what I mean :) quit being difficult.
 
2012-12-19 02:02:38 PM

amquelbettamin: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words

Think fast, which is more deadly?

[www.tactical-life.com image 300x115]

Or

[forum.gon.com image 300x224]


Trick question.

Same gun, different cladding
 
2012-12-19 02:03:32 PM

inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]


I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.
 
2012-12-19 02:06:29 PM

inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]


Here, just to help us all be educated, watch this video.

Link
 
2012-12-19 02:08:11 PM

you have pee hands: vegasj: If SSRI meds = anti-psychotic meds... then

Excellent point and I've been trying to get this info out there...
 
It's only an excellent point in the cases where the guns weren't stolen.


Hmm?

SSRI meds cause people to do violent things. That is a fact.

Are you trying to go with "people on SSRI meds shouldn't be allowed to own guns" because I'm pretty sure the NRA people would agree with that.
 
2012-12-19 02:08:15 PM

amquelbettamin: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words

Think fast, which has more potential to do greater damage?

[www.tactical-life.com image 300x115]

Or

[forum.gon.com image 300x224]


ftfy
 
2012-12-19 02:09:53 PM

amquelbettamin: Single action revolver:

[worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com image 300x180]

Semi automatic handgun:

[i258.photobucket.com image 300x159]

I'd rather be shot with the second one...


I rather be shot at with the first. You better not farking miss, because you're not gonna get a follow-up shot.
 
2012-12-19 02:11:24 PM

Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]

I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.


i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time
 
2012-12-19 02:14:19 PM

you have pee hands: vegasj: Not really. Why do you wish to look past the fact they are all medicated? Perhaps wrongly medicated even?


I may have misinterpreted your point.  If so, sorry.  A lot of people are wringing their hands and blaming spree shootings on the state of US mental health medical care or the fact that crazy people are getting access to guns, when that had nothing to do with this case at all.  The kid was clearly crazy but he came from a family well off enough to afford mental health care and he didn't buy the guns so a psychological background check for weapons purchase wouldn't have mattered either.


Agree. The left is trying to argue that there isn't enough medical accessibility, but the fact is that there is an overflowing amount available, but people ignore it or refuse to use it.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:55 PM

Carn: I have only made some possible suggestions as to how we might try to accomplish that. Just because more children are killed in car wrecks than shootings does not mean that we should just compare them, pretend that there is no problem with school shootings, or that they are morally and socially acceptable.


Actually that is excatly what we should do if your concern is aving the lives of kids.

And I don't just mean look at raw numbers, but look at the cost to implement changes and how that woudl effect people to make those changes.

My problem with your statements is you came in making bad claims about what constitutes "acceptable" uses of firearms and then made even worse rulings on which weapons were appropriate for those uses. You seem to see it is wrong to do that with other things that "cause" death in the US, what is the problem with guns?


Carn: In this particular shooting, the attack was done with legally owned weapons. We can talk about mental health treatment as one major aspect of this problem. We can also bring up the question that if you have a mentally ill person in your home, should that effect your ability to legally own weapons?


Your proposed laws on guns (rifle, shotgun and revolver) wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Mental healthcare is a great issue that needs to be adressed, but you are kidding yourself if you think this rich lady couldn't have shopped around to get a shrink to give her kid a thumbs up, or if you fail to see any drawbacks to trying to make people who own guns prove the people in their house are mentally "stable".

A lot has been tossed about over this sicko's mental health, but had anybody seen actual signs of violonce?
 
2012-12-19 02:15:28 PM

inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]

I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.

i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time


Because if someone were practicing their shot at the range, it'd be great if they had to reload every 5-6 shots?
 
2012-12-19 02:16:15 PM

Carn: In this particular shooting, the attack was done with legally owned weapons. We can talk about mental health treatment as one major aspect of this problem. We can also bring up the question that if you have a mentally ill person in your home, should that effect your ability to legally own weapons?


Yes.
 
2012-12-19 02:16:30 PM

megarian: In rare cases, one should be able to deny someone a gun base on looks alone. If this chick walked into your store and wanted a gun, wouldn't you take one look at her and think, "mmmno...no no... Just no. "

/kidding
//kind of


In all cases, anyone should be allowed to deny sale of anything to anyone.

/Yes, even the "no blacks allowed" people.
 
2012-12-19 02:19:59 PM

GAT_00: Woo, one.  Find 5 worldwide in the last 10 years.  Mother Jones detailed 62 mass shootings in the US in just the last 30 years and half of those were in the last 10.


China actually had 3 school attacks in 3 days in April. The best one was a guy with a hammer who bashed kids heads in and then lit himself on fire with a gas can.


Worth noting that most of those mass shootings happened on Obama's watch, so there is exactly as much evidence that Obama is responsible as video games, tv, music and movies.

But if you look at the last 30 years, what you will find is that as soon as we started locking away crazy people in asylums, we suddenly saw crime increase.
 
2012-12-19 02:21:37 PM

inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
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I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.

i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time


Of course the 30-06 semi can be used with a high-cap mag. Lots of choices for that
 
2012-12-19 02:21:55 PM

Carn: There are three valid reasons for owning a gun: protection of person and property, hunting, and target shooting. I submit that you can satisfy all three of these with shotguns, revolvers, and bolt and lever action rifles. Everything else can be banned immediately without infringing on anyone's rights. It will take decades but eventually you won't see high capacity weapons being used for this sort of thing which will be a mild improvement. Obviously we also need to address mental health issues, and I'm including the doomsday fatalistic mindset here. If you think the world is going to end, you should undergo psychiatric evaluation before being allowed to have any weapons.


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2012-12-19 02:23:01 PM

MythDragon: amquelbettamin: Single action revolver:

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Semi automatic handgun:

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I'd rather be shot with the second one...

I rather be shot at with the first. You better not farking miss, because you're not gonna get a follow-up shot.


Winning answer!!
 
2012-12-19 02:23:28 PM

Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]

I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.

i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time

Because if someone were practicing their shot at the range, it'd be great if they had to reload every 5-6 shots?


oh... i'm sorry that your hobby may require you to reload more often. the horror. surely you are being treated unfairly and obama wants all your guns.

i'd say that's about as minor an argument against regulating high capacity magazines for semi auto rifles that i've ever heard or read.

well done?
 
2012-12-19 02:28:56 PM

amquelbettamin: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]

I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.

i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time

Of course the 30-06 semi can be used with a high-cap mag. Lots of choices for that


then it would be the same as the "scary rifle with plastic bits" & worthy of being highly regulated or banned outright
 
2012-12-19 02:29:19 PM
If all the kids had guns, the mother would not have tried it.
Perhaps thought "If I go waving a gun at someone, someone else is going to take me down".

Face it people. Most of it really comes down to the children you raise, and some people ought not to have kids. The rest of it is just being insane.
If there were no guns, it would be something else the nuts get their hands on that normal folks wouldn't consider to do.

People are crazy.... caused by the chemtrails. (Insert sound bite of Vincent Price laughing.)
 
2012-12-19 02:29:24 PM

WhippingBoy: Dear America,

Once everyone in your country has killed each other, can I have Disneyland?

Sincerely,

WhippingBoy


It would you take some time to clean up the carnage.
 
2012-12-19 02:30:06 PM

inner ted: amquelbettamin: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: Girion47: inner ted: GAT_00: Carn: I had a convo with a pro-gun co-worker yesterday who I respect a lot. He tends to be very libertarian so I knew where he'd stand. The long and short of it is, he basically thinks that someone going on a stabbing spree with a knife is just as bad and has the same outcome as mass shootings. I submit that this is not a rational conclusion.

I don't understand people like that.  There are not mass knifings, and the ability to commit mass murder isn't even remotely the same.  It's like saying a single apple and an apple tree are the same thing.

surely this late in the thread, someone will have pointed out that little episode in china that happened on the same day

but, you know, it's in china

which isn't the u.s. or israel

so it doesn't count

right?

/do agree that high capacity semi auto rifles being widely available to the public doesn't help

High Capacity = well, if a hunting rifle is limited to what... 5-7 - then i think we can reasonably assume that 30 is high capacity
Semi-auto=majority of firearms - but the majority of firearms are not semi auto rifles with magazines capable of carrying 10+ rounds - do you see the difference between the entirety of what i said vs. you just parting out bits to take it out of context?
Rifle=hard to conceal if commission of crime is your goal.no it's not

or
perhaps pics are more your thing than words
[assets.bizjournals.com image 280x210]

I'm sorry a picture of a hunting rifle with plastic bits on it scare you.

i'm sorry you can't understand words, but i'll try again: the only bit that gives me pause is the high capacity magazine. and that it appears to be fitted with a suppressor.

unless you are saying the hunting rifle pictured can hold 20 - 30 rounds at a time

Of course the 30-06 semi can be used with a high-cap mag. Lots of choices for that

then it would be the same as the "scary rifle with plastic bits" & worthy of being highly regul ...


So you're fine with banning scary looking. Did you even watch that video I posted?
 
2012-12-19 02:32:57 PM

amquelbettamin: Think fast, which is more deadly?


Well, just from a brief glance at the magazine on that 'assualt style' weapon, I can tell it fires .22lr, which is *about* one of the least powerful and most common rounds on the market. A closer look at the ejection port confirms it.

The 2nd one is a little harder, but I am gonna guess it is chambered in 7.62x51 (or .308), which can bring down a goddamn water buffalo and punch clean through 1/4 inch steel plate. So I'd the the 2nd one, while less scary, is more deadly.

But then I've educated myself on firearms, so that I can know what I am talking about when the subject comes up.
 
2012-12-19 02:36:33 PM

cryinoutloud: But I also notice that people like you have already come up with "anti-gun" to describe people who'd like some better rules for how and who owns guns


The amusing part is that all the things the anti-gun people suggest regarding gun ownership are already in place. People who have committed crimes or are crazy are not allowed to buy, own, carry or possess guns.

The shooter in this case owned zero guns. He killed a gun owner and took her guns.

The real issue is that the kid's parents refused to have their kid declared crazy, despite knowing he was crazy. The secondary issue is that we don't execute crazy people like we should.
 
2012-12-19 02:43:23 PM

MythDragon: amquelbettamin: Think fast, which is more deadly?

Well, just from a brief glance at the magazine on that 'assualt style' weapon, I can tell it fires .22lr, which is *about* one of the least powerful and most common rounds on the market. A closer look at the ejection port confirms it.

The 2nd one is a little harder, but I am gonna guess it is chambered in 7.62x51 (or .308), which can bring down a goddamn water buffalo and punch clean through 1/4 inch steel plate. So I'd the the 2nd one, while less scary, is more deadly.

But then I've educated myself on firearms, so that I can know what I am talking about when the subject comes up.


Spot on for the top one.

Very close for bottom, it's a .30-06 Remington
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=498534
 
2012-12-19 02:43:55 PM

letrole: Bullies serve a real purpose as nature's way of correcting abberant behaviour. Anti-Bullying measures are counter-productive. Without a bully to make him conform, a misfit continues to wallow in his own misery. With a bully, the misfit is given hard and firm lessons about fitting into society.


WE GET IT YOU'RE A GIMMICK ACCOUNT
 
2012-12-19 02:51:37 PM

MythDragon: Carn: There are three valid reasons for owning a gun: protection of person and property, hunting, and target shooting. I submit that you can satisfy all three of these with shotguns, revolvers, and bolt and lever action rifles. Everything else can be banned immediately without infringing on anyone's rights. It will take decades but eventually you won't see high capacity weapons being used for this sort of thing which will be a mild improvement. Obviously we also need to address mental health issues, and I'm including the doomsday fatalistic mindset here. If you think the world is going to end, you should undergo psychiatric evaluation before being allowed to have any weapons.

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During the 18th century, dueling was popular. It's now illegal. Your claim, despite or perhaps in addition to being completely non-verifiable (do you have any actual numbers showing people being for or against 20 shot revolvers), is moot.
 
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