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(Slate)   Lest we forget: The deadliest school massacre in US history happened 85 years ago. 45 dead, 38 of whom were children. The perpetrator? A cranky teabagger mad about taxes   (slate.com) divider line 346
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2012-12-18 11:07:09 PM  
jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.
 
2012-12-18 11:17:35 PM  
I think he was mad that he lost an election.
 
2012-12-18 11:22:36 PM  
I hope he was skinned alive and left to die of sepsis.
 
2012-12-18 11:37:33 PM  
Ellsworth writes that Kehoe once shot a noisy dog and killed his own horse because it was lazy. 
 
No warning signs there.
 
2012-12-18 11:44:38 PM  
Derp... Derp never changes...
 
2012-12-18 11:45:31 PM  
Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.
 
2012-12-18 11:50:49 PM  

violentsalvation: I think he was mad that he lost an election.



"First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!"
 
2012-12-18 11:57:04 PM  
Watering the tree of liberty...
 
2012-12-18 11:58:28 PM  

queezyweezel: Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.



*looks over the thread*
 
I'll be darned if I can find a comment where anyone makes that claim.
 
2012-12-19 12:03:09 AM  

The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!


And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
 
2012-12-19 12:03:42 AM  

fusillade762: Ellsworth writes that Kehoe once shot a noisy dog and killed his own horse because it was lazy. 
 
No warning signs there.



so yah
warning signs
When was the last wackjob attack where there no warning signs? ever?
farkem
 
2012-12-19 12:07:56 AM  
im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:16 AM  
www.murderpedia.org
 
2012-12-19 12:27:06 AM  

log_jammin: queezyweezel: Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.


*looks over the thread*
 
I'll be darned if I can find a comment where anyone makes that claim.


I don't recall ever saying anyone did.
 
2012-12-19 12:33:07 AM  

queezyweezel: I don't recall ever saying anyone did.



well that makes total sense then.
 
2012-12-19 12:47:34 AM  

violentsalvation: The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!

 
And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
 
 
I want  a hundred thousand in cash, getaway car and I want the letter M stricken from the English language. See, you have to make one crazy demand, that way, if you get caught, you can plead insanity. Ha. Getaway car. 
 
2012-12-19 12:48:56 AM  
I can still remember the controversy soon after when Coolidge didn't acknowledge it as an act of terrorism.
 
2012-12-19 02:20:19 AM  

violentsalvation: The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!

And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!



Your car, sir.

robocoparchive.com
 
2012-12-19 02:22:16 AM  
So.... Has Dynamite control worked?

/Sharpen your spoons, the won't let you have knives at this rate.
 
2012-12-19 02:23:07 AM  
I believe this thread to be done in one.
 
2012-12-19 02:23:13 AM  
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring up the Bath School bombing. Then again, the nutjob used explosives, not bullets, so maybe that's why.
 
2012-12-19 02:25:01 AM  

doglover: I hope he was skinned alive and left to die of sepsis.


Unfortunately, he probably died very quickly since he filled his truck with TNT and shrapnel and detonated it at close range with a rifle.(killing and injuring a number of people in addition to the initial school bombing)
 
2012-12-19 02:25:44 AM  

violentsalvation: The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!

And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!


This scene is why Milk is the prequel to RoboCop.
 
2012-12-19 02:26:11 AM  
I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.
 
2012-12-19 02:26:53 AM  
Yeah but that was like 90 years ago so it doesn't count anymore.

It's not like those kids are still detonated or anything.
 
2012-12-19 02:27:44 AM  

Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.


Or it could have been your faulty logic?
 
2012-12-19 02:28:08 AM  

FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.


img35.imageshack.us

I'm not sure he's up to Fox's telegenic standard. However, I'm sure he'd have done well in talk radio.
 
2012-12-19 02:29:28 AM  

Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.



If you're saying we should regulate guns the way we regulate dynamite I'm sure you'll get a lot of support.
 
2012-12-19 02:31:39 AM  
sooo. how much longer til FARK = Huffpo. Since we all agree that hip[\sters rule.
 
2012-12-19 02:32:43 AM  
I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.
 
2012-12-19 02:35:26 AM  
Here we go. For those not paying attention:

1. His parents divorced in or around 2009
2. the father went out of his way to ensure hey paid much more than the minimum requirements
3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
4. the mother was collecting TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR alimony
5. the mother WAS TRAINING HER SON, ADAM, to use HER assault rifles at firing ranges, in 2009 at least
6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization

Mr. Lanza has the deaths of 25 innocent people on his hands, and his nuts couldn't possibly be as huge as his dead son's.
 
2012-12-19 02:35:51 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.



Begun the derp has
 
2012-12-19 02:36:09 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?


Yea just at what happened to M80s

My CSB from a couple years ago. I had a friend that got his hands on some supposed real m80s and gave me one to blow up later when I was shooting off fireworks. I thought that it was going to be like the normal BS ones you can get at a fireworks stand that are labeled as M80s or such. I ended up scaring the shiat out of all my neighbors because it sounded like a farking bomb went off in my driveway.
 
2012-12-19 02:36:58 AM  
errr Yea just look at what happened to M80s
 
2012-12-19 02:37:15 AM  
Oh yeah, his father was a f*cking rich executive at GE -- That's 'General Electric,' as in 'General Electric Financial Services' as in "we're sofa king huge we don't advertise on TV"

/i can't begin to imagine what i'd do with 289K dollars -- and that biatch was getting it every year -- I wish I could see her brains blown out on her nice new bedspread while she fretted about the end of the farking civilized world -- fark you, honey
 
2012-12-19 02:38:20 AM  

queezyweezel: Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.


So true, evil came to Newtown twice in 3 days.
 
2012-12-19 02:38:44 AM  

Tenatra: My CSB from a couple years ago. I had a friend that got his hands on some supposed real m80s and gave me one to blow up later when I was shooting off fireworks. I thought that it was going to be like the normal BS ones you can get at a fireworks stand that are labeled as M80s or such. I ended up scaring the shiat out of all my neighbors because it sounded like a farking bomb went off in my driveway.


I have M-100s (or something) on a shelf I picked up from a road trip to Tennessee in '97 -- one or two are all that remain of the fireworks we bought when we were down there
 
2012-12-19 02:40:05 AM  
I listened to this inspiring TED talk PRX on satellite about about how drew stood up to a patent shakedown. And I read about a whitelist. and I thought about all the years I paid for totaaal fark. Then I remembered there was no way a bad headline about gettlefinger would get greenlit around last election time. I gave a bum on the street a dollar and called it a day.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:23 AM  

urban.derelict: Here we go. For those not paying attention:

1. His parents divorced in or around 2009
2. the father went out of his way to ensure hey paid much more than the minimum requirements
3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
4. the mother was collecting TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR alimony
5. the mother WAS TRAINING HER SON, ADAM, to use HER assault rifles at firing ranges, in 2009 at least
6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization

Mr. Lanza has the deaths of 25 innocent people on his hands, and his nuts couldn't possibly be as huge as his dead son's.


I'm not following your logic. I'm pretty sure it's because your post is totally devoid of it. Either that or you think women aren't adult human beings that should be trusted with responsibilities.

Up to you to clarify.
 
2012-12-19 02:40:28 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.



Andrew Jackson?
 
2012-12-19 02:42:42 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Jesus?
 
2012-12-19 02:43:05 AM  
There was no Tea Party then, douchemitter. Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government? (Not this dynamite lunatic, I'm talking present day.) The fleabaggers are the ones that don't even have a cause, and they shiat on cop cars to promote their cause that they are not sure of. I'm glad they are all gone. The ones that committed arson in Denver might be farked, I hope.
 
2012-12-19 02:45:05 AM  

armoredbulldozer: There was no Tea Party then, douchemitter. Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government? (Not this dynamite lunatic, I'm talking present day.) The fleabaggers are the ones that don't even have a cause, and they shiat on cop cars to promote their cause that they are not sure of. I'm glad they are all gone. The ones that committed arson in Denver might be farked, I hope.


haha - are schmitting me? Welcome to Fark. Get on the unmiscient hate train.
 
2012-12-19 02:45:06 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?

 
/Sharpen your spoons, the won't let you have knives at this rate.
 
24.media.tumblr.com
No, no, no, you never sharpen a spoon.  Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more. 
 
2012-12-19 02:45:36 AM  
Let's focus on this story for a bit so the next round of shootings have a milestone to achieve....
 
2012-12-19 02:45:45 AM  

MrEricSir: violentsalvation: The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!

 
And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!
 
This scene is why Milk is the prequel to RoboCop.

You now have 15 seconds to comply.
 
2012-12-19 02:46:13 AM  

armoredbulldozer: people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government


The Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers. It is used as a mouthpiece for their business interests. Remaining ignorant of this must be an incredible act of willpower.
 
2012-12-19 02:48:47 AM  

werekoala: Derp... Derp never changes...


I see what you did there!

/ got to watch out for super mutants though
 
2012-12-19 02:49:05 AM  

Gelatinous: armoredbulldozer: people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government

The Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers. It is used as a mouthpiece for their business interests. Remaining ignorant of this must be an incredible act of willpower.


Sounds like all Soros all the time. If they don't think what you do - bazinga - ignorance funded by "evil"
 
2012-12-19 02:49:33 AM  

werekoala: Derp... Derp never changes...


www.vgcats.com
 
2012-12-19 02:49:47 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Lincoln?
 
2012-12-19 02:49:50 AM  

urban.derelict: 3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son

 
a.  the court would likely have let a 17 yr old choose who he wanted to stay with and
b.  custody of a 17 yr old?  what's the fncking point?
 

urban.derelict: 6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization

of a Kenyan usurper
 
just as likely. neither explains what he did.
 
Just ANYTHING but "easy access to guns", right?
 
2012-12-19 02:53:20 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: urban.derelict: 3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
 
a.  the court would likely have let a 17 yr old choose who he wanted to stay with and
b.  custody of a 17 yr old?  what's the fncking point?
 
urban.derelict: 6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization of a Kenyan usurper
 
just as likely. neither explains what he did.

Nope - gotta be the Kenyan thing since racist USA elected homie twice. Gawd this country is in the dumper. Must be. Pour another 40.
 
Just ANYTHING but "easy access to guns", right?

 
2012-12-19 02:54:05 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Gandhi?
 
2012-12-19 02:54:17 AM  

armoredbulldozer: Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government?


My town has a local tea party chapter. The fliers they put up before every meeting have nothing to do with taxes, and generally include words that would get filtered on Fark...
 
2012-12-19 02:54:37 AM  

urban.derelict: Here we go. For those not paying attention:

1. His parents divorced in or around 2009
2. the father went out of his way to ensure hey paid much more than the minimum requirements
3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
4. the mother was collecting TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR alimony
5. the mother WAS TRAINING HER SON, ADAM, to use HER assault rifles at firing ranges, in 2009 at least
6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization

Mr. Lanza has the deaths of 25 innocent people on his hands, and his nuts couldn't possibly be as huge as his dead son's.


Yeah, it's the Dad's fault. No, wait--It's the Mom's fault. No, wait--it's the assault weapon's fault. Shiat, I cant keep track anymore, just tell me who I should hate and what needs to be banned. Thanks.
 
2012-12-19 02:54:38 AM  

urban.derelict: I wish I could see



Get help.
 
2012-12-19 02:54:43 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: neither explains what he did.



I think it explains things quite well. Push your mentally unstable kid with daddy issues into training to be the next John Conner, and he snaps.
 
2012-12-19 02:54:51 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: urban.derelict: 3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
 
a.  the court would likely have let a 17 yr old choose who he wanted to stay with and
b.  custody of a 17 yr old?  what's the fncking point?
 
urban.derelict: 6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization of a Kenyan usurper
 
just as likely. neither explains what he did.
 
Just ANYTHING but "easy access to guns", right?


Clearly we need restrictions on divorce.
 
2012-12-19 02:55:07 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Whoa, way to Godwin the thread.
 
2012-12-19 02:55:33 AM  

lar_m: Soros


DRINK!
 
2012-12-19 02:55:39 AM  
I believe this also occurred during Lindburghs transatlantic flight, so the media quickly moved on to cover that, which is why you don't hear about it that often. Sadly it was drowned out by coverage of another history-making event.
 
2012-12-19 02:58:14 AM  

jm105: lar_m: Soros

DRINK!


PROST! - but why doesn't the Koch guy have to go first?.
 
2012-12-19 02:58:55 AM  
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2012-12-19 02:59:08 AM  
So not a big fan of the feral pig hunting?
 
2012-12-19 03:01:59 AM  

lar_m: jm105: lar_m: Soros

DRINK!

PROST! - but why doesn't the Koch guy have to go first?.


Forgot - Blue Koolaid vs Red Koolaid - enjoy your beverage "free thinker".
 
2012-12-19 03:02:34 AM  

lar_m: armoredbulldozer: There was no Tea Party then, douchemitter. Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government? (Not this dynamite lunatic, I'm talking present day.) The fleabaggers are the ones that don't even have a cause, and they shiat on cop cars to promote their cause that they are not sure of. I'm glad they are all gone. The ones that committed arson in Denver might be farked, I hope.

haha - are schmitting me? Welcome to Fark. Get on the unmiscient hate train.


You people are arguing with an obvious troll alt. He even named himself after the nutjob with the concrete coated killdozer.
 
2012-12-19 03:03:54 AM  

namatad: fusillade762: Ellsworth writes that Kehoe once shot a noisy dog and killed his own horse because it was lazy. 
 
No warning signs there.


so yah
warning signs
When was the last wackjob attack where there no warning signs? ever?
farkem



Never.
 
There is never ANY disaster, of ANY kind that doesn't have a precursor event. Even earthquakes, we just don't know how to read them very well yet. Whether it's some nutjob killing dozens of people (any time, anywhere), a plane falling out of the sky, or the most skilled and coordinated terrorist attack--there are numerous warning signs, and plenty of opportunities to avoid whatever disaster it was.
 
We as a society choose to ignore them at our continued peril.
 
2012-12-19 03:04:10 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

 
"The top personal income tax rate in 1941 was 13.7% in Germany as opposed to 23.7% in Great Britain."
 
In case you're not a troll.
 
2012-12-19 03:04:29 AM  

Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.



as long as were pulling maybes out of our asses, maybe his parents thought he was doing pretty well considering he was taking college classes at age 16.
 
2012-12-19 03:04:50 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

Whoa, way to Godwin the thread.


He didn't Godwin the thread. 
 
2012-12-19 03:05:33 AM  
Bath is one of the creepiest places I have ever been to. It's like the school bombing put some sort of curse onto the place so that the only thing that looks nice and kept-up is the bombing memorial and two relatively new schools right across the street. Everything else is just run-down, dreary, and deserted.

Also, for some reason that I absolutely cannot figure out and can't possibly be related to modern political discourse at all, the traditional narrative that Kehoe was mad about the high property tax assessments that ended up bankrupting him is being replaced by a new, more nonsensical account of him being upset at losing the race for township clerk, which he only ran for so he could lower taxes anyways. Don't believe me? Go compare the last revision to the Wikipedia article from before last Friday to the current one. I wonder what suddenly compelled people to change the established facts and motive behind something that happened 90 years ago?
 
2012-12-19 03:06:04 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.



By the way, where did you get the 7.5 million figure from? Roughly 6 were Jews and another 5 were assorted others.
 
2012-12-19 03:09:38 AM  

armoredbulldozer: Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government?


A community voted to tax itself for a modern school. Destroy the school, and the kids, so they won't need to replace the school?
 
2012-12-19 03:13:31 AM  
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"Register Commies, Not Guns!"

What's that mean?

Oh, he was probably a member of the National Rifle Association. It was a group that helped criminals get guns so they could shoot citizens.

It was a public service.
 
2012-12-19 03:14:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: We as a society choose to ignore them at our continued peril.


Well yeah, plenty of dog/horse-murderers don't go on to murder children. They probably just keep on killing dogs and horses.
 
2012-12-19 03:17:53 AM  

Krieghund: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

Whoa, way to Godwin the thread.

He didn't Godwin the thread.



That's ironic
 
2012-12-19 03:20:25 AM  

armoredbulldozer: Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government?


They're politics' version of juggalos?
Taxes? Really? Not murdering foreigners in large quantities?
They're unintentionally hilarious?
There's no discernible end goal?
You pay the rich corporations' taxes anyway when they pass the cost on to you without advertising it?
People with free time to protest and rally others to protest are receiving government assistance?
It's really funny?
 
2012-12-19 03:22:29 AM  
Kehoe, kinda like Obama's terrorist buddy Bill Ayers.
 
2012-12-19 03:22:42 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam

Hm, dynamiters killed a lot more people in this act of terror. Ten times as many people died.

Or maybe it was a lack of engineering knowledge on the part of the great William Mulholland.

Nope, must have been dynamiters.
 
2012-12-19 03:25:30 AM  
Was Kehoe born evil? He didn't think so:
www.skilluminati.com
 
/one of the most shocking cases in American history
//an early case of setting off one bomb, then attacking the first responders (although in this case Andrew Kehoe had specific targets in mind)
 
2012-12-19 03:31:18 AM  

lar_m: lar_m: jm105: lar_m: Soros

DRINK!

PROST! - but why doesn't the Koch guy have to go first?.

Forgot - Blue Koolaid vs Red Koolaid - enjoy your beverage "free thinker".


No, Just never seen it done for the Kochs
 
2012-12-19 03:31:30 AM  
Taxes! Taxes made that poor, distraught man blow up those children! Therefore, we need tax control!

(Except for the part about the dynamite, he does indeed sound like a teabagger.)
 
2012-12-19 03:33:38 AM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.

Or it could have been your faulty logic?


"They're just gonna kill kids in school anyway, so MORE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!"

/People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.
 
2012-12-19 03:33:43 AM  

ciberido:
[www.vgcats.com image 692x1034]


Ok. That went so far over my head it's in orbit. WTF?
 
2012-12-19 03:36:23 AM  

Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.



So
I have a friend. I have known him forever. 30+ years. We joke about him being the next Unibomber.
What do I do?
He hasn't killed anyone yet.
He hasn't threatened to kill anyone yet. (other than his completely rational HATE of chicago cops!!)
He hasn't shared his manifesto, yet.
He pays for things in cash, which is legal.
He owns guns, but so does 50% of america.
He owns dogs too.
He hasn't broken any laws. 
But he is also the person that I know who is mostly likely to go unibomber.
(You will all get to see me on national news going "Eyup. We always knew that he would pop one day.")
 
so
what do I do?
What do any of us do?
We all have someone like that in our life.
The more than slightly nutty. The right on the edge.
If I knew he was buying bomb materials, boom, I would contact the FBI.
If I knew that he was making a hit list, boom, FBI. Unless he was planning on killing those rape-american GOP candidates, then I would wait until he was done to turn him in.
 
so
what does anyone do? we turn away and do nothing.
I would lose him as a friend if I reported him. He would probably die when they attempted to arrest him.
fark
 
time to have this conversation with my family and friends. the people who know him.
But what about the rest of you? What would you do?
And what will you do today, concerning your nutty uncle/friend/brother.
You know the one.
The one most likely to go postal.
 
fark
I HATE MORALS!!!
 
2012-12-19 03:37:03 AM  
teabagger? Really?

Fark you Fark.
 
2012-12-19 03:37:07 AM  
I bet he played a lot of Mass Effect
 
2012-12-19 03:37:32 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


And also believed in Darwinian evolution!

Also, he owned dogs.
 
2012-12-19 03:39:27 AM  

IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.


no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.
 
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured
 
so no
there was no difference whatsoever. both of the murderers new that there were children present. both of the murderers killed women and children.
 
2012-12-19 03:39:51 AM  
<p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7493263/81383107#c81383107" target="_blank">RamboFrog</a>:</b> <i>I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.</i><br />
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 </p>
Reagan?
 
2012-12-19 03:40:01 AM  

namatad: I have a friend. I have known him forever. 30+ years. We joke about him being the next Unibomber.



why? what does he do to make you think that?
 
2012-12-19 03:40:27 AM  
Dear Fark, your new editor sux.
 
2012-12-19 03:41:14 AM  

IlGreven: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

And also believed in Darwinian evolution!

Also, he owned dogs.



He also believed in oral hygiene and physical fitness.
 
2012-12-19 03:41:50 AM  

Wayne 985: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


By the way, where did you get the 7.5 million figure from? Roughly 6 were Jews and another 5 were assorted others.


I think he meant Stalin.

Hitler ran a meritocracy for the most part.
 
2012-12-19 03:45:57 AM  

namatad: I have a friend. I have known him forever. 30+ years. We joke about him being the next Unibomber.
What do I do?
He hasn't killed anyone yet.
He hasn't threatened to kill anyone yet. (other than his completely rational HATE of chicago cops!!)
He hasn't shared his manifesto, yet.
He pays for things in cash, which is legal.
He owns guns, but so does 50% of america.
He owns dogs too.
He hasn't broken any laws.


Um, meet him for beers when you feel like it?
I'm not sure what there is in that list you and your friend feel make him the next Unibomber. Srsly WTF are you on about? Why are your frightened of your apparently normal dog-owning friend who uses cash? You wouldn't have brought it up if there weren't something else outside the way you framed it that creeps you out. So?
 
2012-12-19 03:48:46 AM  

namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.

 
no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.
 
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured
 
so no
there was no difference whatsoever. both of the murderers new that there were children present. both of the murderers killed women and children.

 
 
If only they had some dynamite to defend themselves against that dynamite.
 
2012-12-19 03:48:55 AM  

FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.

 
 
Especially if you're also a cocaine smuggler.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-19 03:49:53 AM  

TomD9938: Wayne 985: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


By the way, where did you get the 7.5 million figure from? Roughly 6 were Jews and another 5 were assorted others.

I think he meant Stalin.

Hitler ran a meritocracy for the most part.


I'm just glad someone gave me a hint. I haven't seen this much derp flying around since the election.
 
2012-12-19 03:54:46 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.
 
no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.
 
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured
 
so no
there was no difference whatsoever. both of the murderers new that there were children present. both of the murderers killed women and children.
 
 
If only they had some dynamite to defend themselves against that dynamite.


Nina_Hartley's_Ass: namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.
 
no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.
 
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured
 
so no
there was no difference whatsoever. both of the murderers new that there were children present. both of the murderers killed women and children.
 
 
If only they had some dynamite to defend themselves against that dynamite.


I believe it was a truck filled with fertilizer, but the point stands.
 
2012-12-19 03:55:06 AM  

FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.


Or a show on MSNBC.
 
2012-12-19 03:56:16 AM  

namatad: What do I do?


Talk to him regularly. Be his dependible link to participation in the social contract. What's the worst that happens, his life is less lonely?
 
2012-12-19 03:56:56 AM  
Wouldn't have happened if there wasn't all those video games about dynamite in the 1920s
 
2012-12-19 03:59:10 AM  

lar_m: haha - are schmitting me? Welcome to Fark. Get on the unmiscient hate train.


Have you been tested? I think you might be functionally retarded.
 
2012-12-19 04:00:22 AM  

DrPainMD: FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.
 
 
Especially if you're also a cocaine smuggler.
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Citation.jpg
 
2012-12-19 04:00:37 AM  

The Green Manalishi: I haven't seen this much derp flying around since the election.


I've been avoiding this topic around here myself.

Just found this particular story interesting.
 
2012-12-19 04:03:35 AM  

log_jammin: namatad: I have a friend. I have known him forever. 30+ years. We joke about him being the next Unibomber.


why? what does he do to make you think that?



oh pretty much everything that you would read about in the papers and go "everyone KNEW that he was nutty" "why didnt someone do something before this happened"
 
some mental illness, paranoid bullshiat
guns, but maybe too many guns, ammo, but maybe too much ammo
genius, government is "bad", both parties are bad, taxes are illegal
ultra-paranoid with computer security and anonymous email and and and and and
trouble keeping a jorb, even with degrees in physics and mechEE
enough knowledge to build bombs and what not (although you could train squirrels to do that)
almost completely off the grid
wont fly because he is worried that he is on a list ...
the list goes on and on and on, and everyone who knows him thinks the same. isnt just me...
 
none of these are illegal (some are on the edge)
but ALL of these together make a pattern
the pattern does lead to proof of a crime to come
which is part of the question: when does society start looking at these people different than we do today?
when does the RISK that they might be become great enough to do something??
We know just thinking or writing about isnt enough ... but
 
If he lost it tomorrow and blew up a federal building, I would look back and ask, WHY THE fark DIDNT I DO SOMETHING? ANYTHING??
 
My shrink has guidelines. When she must report. And he doesnt fall under those guidelines, yet.
But we know that this KID did. And most of the other nuts. And yet, no one wants to report uncle joe. He's my uncle ....
 
And now is a damn good time to be talking about moral dilemmas, not afterwards.
In the end, I dont want to be one of THOSE people, who could have done something.
Unless doing something would actually push him over the edge!
And it is probably time for some sleep.
 
2012-12-19 04:04:09 AM  

namatad: Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.


So
I have a friend. I have known him forever. 30+ years. We joke about him being the next Unibomber.
What do I do?
He hasn't killed anyone yet.
He hasn't threatened to kill anyone yet. (other than his completely rational HATE of chicago cops!!)
He hasn't shared his manifesto, yet.
He pays for things in cash, which is legal.
He owns guns, but so does 50% of america.
He owns dogs too.
He hasn't broken any laws. 
But he is also the person that I know who is mostly likely to go unibomber.
(You will all get to see me on national news going "Eyup. We always knew that he would pop one day.")
 
so
what do I do?
What do any of us do?
We all have someone like that in our life.
The more than slightly nutty. The right on the edge.
If I knew he was buying bomb materials, boom, I would contact the FBI.
If I knew that he was making a hit list, boom, FBI. Unless he was planning on killing those rape-american GOP candidates, then I would wait until he was done to turn him in.
 
so
what does anyone do? we turn away and do nothing.
I would lose him as a friend if I reported him. He would probably die when they attempted to arrest him.
fark
 
time to have this conversation with my family and friends. the people who know him.
But what about the rest of you? What would you do?
And what will you do today, concerning your nutty uncle/friend/brother.
You know the one.
The one most likely to go postal.
 
fark
I HATE MORALS!!!


Sounds like you're judgmental on someone who isn't like you or the other friends who know him. Anyways tendencies and reactions to everyday situations are tell-tale signs to watch for. Too many people like to pin badges to people who have one or two "nut case" stereotypes but are otherwise normal. Sadly it's easier to label someone a nutcase than to defend against it in the current world.
 
2012-12-19 04:04:56 AM  

Beaver Knievel: Citation.jpg



ManuelNoriega,jpg
 
2012-12-19 04:05:11 AM  

Tickle Mittens: namatad: What do I do?

Talk to him regularly. Be his dependible link to participation in the social contract. What's the worst that happens, his life is less lonely?


Eyup. I go out of my way to do that. If nothing else, to keep a finger on the pulse.
On the other hand, there is only so much truther, gubermint is out ta getcha, that a normal person can take.
 
 
2012-12-19 04:07:27 AM  

log_jammin: Beaver Knievel: Citation.jpg


ManuelNoriega,jpg


Derp.jpg
 
2012-12-19 04:10:17 AM  

Beaver Knievel: Derp.jpg

 
hey, you asked.
 
2012-12-19 04:12:07 AM  

RabidJade: Sounds like you're judgmental on someone who isn't like you or the other friends who know him. Anyways tendencies and reactions to everyday situations are tell-tale signs to watch for. Too many people like to pin badges to people who have one or two "nut case" stereotypes but are otherwise normal. Sadly it's easier to label someone a nutcase than to defend against it in the current world.


hahahaahah hahahahaha hahahahahahahah hahahaha
god I wish that were all that it was.
That would make things trivial. This is someone that I have known all my life. He is like family. 
It isnt any of the things. It is the pattern. There is a difference between all the tea party nuts and the Timothy McVeighs of the world. The question is can we and how do we tell the difference.
 
Believe me, if it were only one or two differences, if it were a healthy kind of difference.
But it is the pattern. The larger number of them.
And you are right, there are tons of survivalist, sovereignists, anti-government types out there who, while completely nutty, are probably also "safe" and not a threat to the rest of us. 
 
So what are the patterns, what are the "limits" when does 2-3 nutty, but probably safe, become completely and totally front page news.
 
Is it as simple as "if the police came to his door, would he die in a shoot out" nutty??
If the answer is no, he would be able to answer the door like an adult, then fine.
But if it is yes, he would shoot to kill rather than answer the doorbell, then turn him in.
 
bah
too late for this
 
2012-12-19 04:12:22 AM  

log_jammin: Beaver Knievel: Derp.jpg
 
hey, you asked.


Evidence besides wikipedia?

Again, Liberal DERP.jpg (The worst most scurrilous kind.)
 
2012-12-19 04:24:09 AM  

moothemagiccow: Gyrfalcon: We as a society choose to ignore them at our continued peril.

Well yeah, plenty of dog/horse-murderers don't go on to murder children. They probably just keep on killing dogs and horses.



Usually you make sense. This time you don't.
 
2012-12-19 04:25:16 AM  

Beaver Knievel: Again, Liberal DERP.jpg (The worst most scurrilous kind.)



You're seriously asking for evidence of Manuel Noriega's involvement in the drug trade, and his relationship with Oliver North? really?
 
well ok then. Is Fox news good enough?
 
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4274994/france-jails-manuel-noriega-on-dr ug -charges/
 
2012-12-19 04:40:11 AM  
NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT BOMB CONTROL!
 
2012-12-19 04:42:49 AM  

d-fens99: violentsalvation: The_Sponge: First, don't fark with me. I'm a desperate man! And second, I want some fresh coffee. And third, I want a recount! And no matter how it turns out, I want my old job back!

And I want a bigger office! And I want a new car! And I want the city to pay for it all!


Your car, sir.

[robocoparchive.com image 700x380]


"We'll even throw in a Blaupunkt!"
 
2012-12-19 05:01:09 AM  

namatad:
We all have someone like that in our life.
The more than slightly nutty. The right on the edge.


Nope.
 
2012-12-19 05:05:22 AM  
and he used a bomb. not a gun.
 
2012-12-19 05:07:03 AM  
Approves this thread.

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-19 05:17:40 AM  
well I guess that was a good enough citation for him.
 
2012-12-19 05:23:27 AM  

FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.


So, what you're saying is, that's been the American solution to mental health care all along? Fox news? Explains a whole bunch, I suppose...

/you don't need to pay $5 a month for TotalSnark.com, it's free!
//socialized ad revenue FTW!
 
2012-12-19 05:30:28 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?


Yes.

 
 
2012-12-19 05:30:45 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Approves this thread.

[goebbels.jpg]


If you keep reducing taxes on the rich, some day all the wealth will trickle down...
The GOP is the party of small government...
If you keep reducing taxes on the rich, some day all the wealth will trickle down...
The GOP is the party of small government...
If you keep reducing taxes on the rich, some day all the wealth will trickle down...
The GOP is the party of small government...
 
2012-12-19 05:34:23 AM  
To all of my crazy aunts posting "This is what you get when God isn't allowed in schools" stuff, I'm pretty sure God was allowed in Bath, MI in 1927. The Amish school shooting a few years ago as well...
 
2012-12-19 05:51:52 AM  

Beaver Knievel: Evidence besides wikipedia?



Wikipedia works like this--when you click on an entry, you are given a summary of the most pertinent parts of the subject you are looking up, separated by sub-topic and book ended by references.  Within this summary are annotations (those are the little numbered hotlinks).  Those lead to footnotes.  Those footnotes are citations that lead you to sources.
 
2012-12-19 05:57:13 AM  
Nice troll assmitter and whomever gave this a green.
 
2012-12-19 05:59:25 AM  
Don't Tread on Me!
 
2012-12-19 06:03:40 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Nice troll assmitter and whomever gave this a green.



Wrong thread?
 
2012-12-19 06:09:10 AM  
There isn't much to divine from this incident today.
The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.
 
2012-12-19 06:11:46 AM  
"Twitter Is Growing at Facebook-Like Speed"
 
2012-12-19 06:26:26 AM  

IlGreven: I believe it was a truck filled with fertilizer, but the point stands.


If schools were filled with fertilizer, dynamite and guns then no children would have been killed in such attacks.

/because there would be no room for them
 
2012-12-19 06:33:31 AM  
Being a cranky teabagger definitely is a sign of mental illness. Shouldn't be able to own a gun.
 
2012-12-19 06:35:05 AM  

Gelatinous: armoredbulldozer: people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government

The Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers. It is used as a mouthpiece for their business interests. Remaining ignorant of this must be an incredible act of willpower.


So what's new on MSNBC today?
 
2012-12-19 06:37:16 AM  
They always kill themselves afterward. You can't explain that.
 
2012-12-19 06:41:52 AM  

way south: The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.


Actually, if you look at explosives control laws, and the number of bombings which involved anything other than home-made explosives, you'll see a direct correlation.

Hell, since the OKC bombing, we started tracking large sales of fertilizer and we haven't had a single bombing involving fertilizer/fuel oil. Imagine the destruction McVeigh could have caused is the truck had been full of legally-obtained C4 or dynamite.
 
GBB
2012-12-19 06:45:09 AM  
Dynamite.... Now why didn't I think of that???
 
2012-12-19 06:46:59 AM  
Damn these massacre threads are depressing...

...that wasn't meant to sound as stupid as it does. Of course it sucks that a bunch of small children and schoolteachers were killed for no good reason, but children die in vain every day and it's no use letting it get you down. Even if you're solely concerned with American children, I bet America has found a way to kill more than 20 (or 38) of its children in the short time since the massacre, every bit as pointlessly (by abuse, neglect, accident, etc.)

What's depressing me is the fact that every thread touching on the massacre had been dominated by a shiat-flinging match punctuated by hand-wringing, pipe-dream "solutions" that wouldn't work if SCOTUS were dosed with ketamine, and frank hatred and scorn directed at diverse swathes of people for their ideology (i.e. bigotry). Some posters appear to lose sight of what they're damning, like a child in a tantrum over having a toy taken away who ends up stomping his toys. That's not far out from folks who respond to the killing of 27 humans by calling for the extinction of the human race or yearning to be banished from humanity -- practically in the same breath!

I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons. It certainly works with dynamite though, obviously, you'll never get perfect safety as someone will go to the effort to get hold of it. The difficulty with impeding access to guns is that this can be reasonably regarded as an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms, SCOTUS will only so far in allowing it, and it doesn't matter what noble and wise law you craft against guns if they toss it in the shiatcan before the ink dries on it. It has been noted that the 2nd Amendment is not as useful as it was in 1791 and is now more trouble than it's worth, and if that is so it must be changed or abolished through the amendment process, which is a lot of work but far more likely to do good than hoping that, if enough people complain loudly enough, SCOTUS will decide that it means what they want it to mean.

Even in the setting of a revised 2nd Amendment, there would be major practical problems with restricting guns in the U.S., at least in the foreseeable future, due to the peculiar nature of this country. Germany is supposed to be the worst country in Europe in terms of gun-related deaths. They have about 4 million gun owners in a population of 80 million, i.e. 5%. In the U.S. that figure is near 50%. This means that if we wanted to reduce deaths by restricting access, we would have to take all the guns away from (.45 * 315) = 142 million people. "Cold, dead fingers" rhetoric aside, this would be a colossal undertaking, hellishly expensive, years in execution, and inevitably attended with incidents that would make a school shooting look like high tea with the vicar. All this would put us in competition with Germany for last place, assuming that the 5% of Americans allowed guns behaved as well as Germans, and assuming that no other factors make shootings more common among Americans, which is patently false.

TL;DR? We could save people by getting rid of guns, but it would take a huge amount of work and determination extended over a long period. There isn't enough political will for that (yet) so we're just going to have to put up with the guns and try to minimize the problem by unsatisfying approaches that marginally reduce the rate of ghastly massacres.
 
2012-12-19 06:52:01 AM  

way south: There isn't much to divine from this incident today.
The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.


We're never going to completely stop lunatics from killing people; it's a simple fact that there will always be nutjobs, and they will always find a way to kill people. But we CAN make incidents less frequent. We can improve the quality of our mental healthcare system, so perhaps some of these crazies can be noticed and helped before they reach the 'Murderous rampage' stage. We can impose stricter regulations on firearm ownership, so at least it's harder for nutjobs to acquire a weapon that can kill dozens in quick succession, and thus give them (or their family members) more time to find the help they need.

But it seems modern conservatives would rather turn our schools into militarized zones than address mental healthcare or sensible gun control.
 
2012-12-19 06:53:17 AM  

pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has


Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.
 
2012-12-19 06:54:56 AM  

Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.


Are you sure it wasn't because you used a horrible tragedy from decades ago as some sort of rationalization that gun control is pointless?

Perhaps it was your stupidity that surprised them.
 
2012-12-19 06:55:39 AM  

namatad:
so
what does anyone do? we turn away and do nothing.
I would lose him as a friend if I reported him. He would probably die when they attempted to arrest him.!


Um... I don't know how the US works, but in most civilized places, this would call for a psych evaluation, not an arrest.

Stop hemming and hawing sitting around at home wringing your hands over Google diagnoses. If you're that worried, have a professional evaluate him to get some solid ground to stand on.
 
2012-12-19 06:56:21 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: way south: The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.

Actually, if you look at explosives control laws, and the number of bombings which involved anything other than home-made explosives, you'll see a direct correlation.

Hell, since the OKC bombing, we started tracking large sales of fertilizer and we haven't had a single bombing involving fertilizer/fuel oil. Imagine the destruction McVeigh could have caused is the truck had been full of legally-obtained C4 or dynamite.


How does ANFO compare to C4 or dynamite? I know ANFO packs a hell of a punch, but I'm not sure how it compares.
 
2012-12-19 06:57:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: and we haven't had a single bombing involving fertilizer/fuel oil.



really? Or just no OKC size bombings? Because it doesn't take much to make a pretty big boom.
 
Not saying you are wrong, but it just strikes me as unlikely, and my google-fu is coming up short on the subject.
 
2012-12-19 07:00:31 AM  

ShannonKW: There isn't enough political will for that (yet)


I farking knew it!!

Guns don't kill people, politicians kill people - at long last, the discussion is FINALLY getting somewhere!

notevensureifimseriousanymore.jpg
 
2012-12-19 07:02:03 AM  

LordJiro: How does ANFO compare to C4 or dynamite?



I got to go to here a few years ago. http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu/ and from the little I remember, a couple of dog food sized sacks of ANFO obliterated a car and the little shed/house next to it. But I can't remember if they did anything with dynamite. But C4 seemed a little bit weaker than I pictured it being.
 
2012-12-19 07:03:59 AM  

Ordinary Genius: pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has

Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.


Because he's not referring to Hitler. He's referring to Stalin, in a "Communism bad" cliche. Pure derp.
 
2012-12-19 07:04:29 AM  

armoredbulldozer: There was no Tea Party then, douchemitter. Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government? (Not this dynamite lunatic, I'm talking present day.) The fleabaggers are the ones that don't even have a cause, and they shiat on cop cars to promote their cause that they are not sure of. I'm glad they are all gone. The ones that committed arson in Denver might be farked, I hope.


Meanwhile, those "fleabaggers" have been providing relief and support to NY residents who lost their shiat during Sandy.

Look up "Occupy Sandy", or their forerunners from Katrina known as the Common Ground Collective.

What have you been doing?
 
2012-12-19 07:05:03 AM  

log_jammin: LordJiro: How does ANFO compare to C4 or dynamite?


I got to go to here a few years ago. http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu/ and from the little I remember, a couple of dog food sized sacks of ANFO obliterated a car and the little shed/house next to it. But I can't remember if they did anything with dynamite. But C4 seemed a little bit weaker than I pictured it being.


I only ask because I seem to recall that, for blowing bigger shiat up, the Mythbusters seem to go for ANFO. Like the cement truck.
 
2012-12-19 07:05:07 AM  
My dad and my uncle were in that school that day. My uncle was slightly injured and my dad was not injured. They never talked about it while they were alive. I only found out last year that they were there.
 
2012-12-19 07:07:22 AM  

log_jammin: LordJiro: How does ANFO compare to C4 or dynamite?


I got to go to here a few years ago. http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu/ and from the little I remember, a couple of dog food sized sacks of ANFO obliterated a car and the little shed/house next to it. But I can't remember if they did anything with dynamite. But C4 seemed a little bit weaker than I pictured it being.



C4 is a cutting charge. It's used to cut reinforcement steel mainly. Explosives that burn at a high rate of speed (that's what explosions are really) then the more concentrated energy. However in open air, that doesn't do much damage. That's why slower burning explosives like ammonium nitrate cause more damage in open areas. The concussion is actually greater, but it's more effective if you tamp material around it. We mainly use things like that for cratering charges, the more dirt you pack around it the more that energy is transferred and the bigger the hole in the ground.
 
2012-12-19 07:08:43 AM  
now THAT is a better attack than any modern day suicide bombing. lol
 
2012-12-19 07:10:44 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Abe Lincoln?
 
2012-12-19 07:17:54 AM  

Pray 4 Mojo: teabagger? Really?

Fark you Fark.


Sorry, "Palin-American."
 
2012-12-19 07:18:03 AM  
This is outrageous! How can this happen when it is illegal to kill people with dynamite!?
 
2012-12-19 07:18:52 AM  

uttertosh: ShannonKW: There isn't enough political will for that (yet)

I farking knew it!!

Guns don't kill people, politicians kill people - at long last, the discussion is FINALLY getting somewhere!

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I'm serious. I didn't even think it was controversial. We all know that the process of amending the Constitution is a bear. Come to think of it, I don't know of anything that takes more political will in U.S. politics. There's just no honest way around it if you truly believe, as many of us do, that the time has come to infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, and that it's not conducing to a well-regulated militia. Oh, I suppose you hope that the judiciary pulls gun control out of its ass and gifts you with it like they did your right to abortion and birth control -- it would certainly save you and your representative the trouble of getting out of your chairs, but the courts have not shown much willingness to do that. You may as well hope Santa takes all the guns on his way out this year.

It's not something you can put on Congress or blame on the NRA. The People have to want this. And a lot of them have to want it a lot (a People who aren't too different from the ones who didn't want the Equal Rights Amendment enough, remember?)
 
2012-12-19 07:19:26 AM  

Beaver Knievel: FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.

Or a show on MSNBC.


...so vote Republican!
 
2012-12-19 07:20:44 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: C4 is a cutting charge. It's used to cut reinforcement steel mainly. Explosives that burn at a high rate of speed (that's what explosions are really) then the more concentrated energy. However in open air, that doesn't do much damage. That's why slower burning explosives like ammonium nitrate cause more damage in open areas. The concussion is actually greater, but it's more effective if you tamp material around it. We mainly use things like that for cratering charges, the more dirt you pack around it the more that energy is transferred and the bigger the hole in the ground.



ah. that makes sense.
 
2012-12-19 07:20:50 AM  

Kesherz: Ordinary Genius: pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has

Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.

Because he's not referring to Hitler. He's referring to Stalin, in a "Communism bad" cliche. Pure derp.


I realized it was Stalin later in the thread. I guess my real question is that why is it cool/funny to refer to the bath bomber as a tea partier, because he likely shared one viewpoint with them, but not okay to refer to Stalin who likely shared viewpoints with "leftists"?

I just don't get it on either side, really. I feel like it's like saying correlation equals causation. You could probably find multiple viewpoints that are shared by crazy people. That doesn't mean the idea itself is crazy. In fact, a few people pointed out that absurdity up in the thread.

Am I missing something?
 
2012-12-19 07:23:02 AM  

log_jammin: ah. that makes sense.



I've been a combat engineer in the Army for a long time so I kind of geek out over explosives. Yea I know, it's weird
 
2012-12-19 07:23:04 AM  
The Tea Party existed 85 years ago? Why aren't things as bad as they should be then?
 
2012-12-19 07:24:10 AM  

for good or for awesome: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: urban.derelict: 3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
 
a.  the court would likely have let a 17 yr old choose who he wanted to stay with and
b.  custody of a 17 yr old?  what's the fncking point?
 
urban.derelict: 6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization of a Kenyan usurper
 
just as likely. neither explains what he did.
 
Just ANYTHING but "easy access to guns", right?

Clearly we need restrictions on divorce.


BAN DIVORCE!! For the chillens.
 
2012-12-19 07:24:23 AM  

uttertosh: ShannonKW: There isn't enough political will for that (yet)

I farking knew it!!

Guns don't kill people, politicians physics kill people - at long last, the discussion is FINALLY getting somewhere!



Had to. :(
 
2012-12-19 07:25:12 AM  

Ordinary Genius: but not okay to refer to Stalin who likely shared viewpoints with "leftists"?



The only important viewpoint Stalin had was "Keep Stalin in power and living the good life" and you won't find any "leftists" who agree with that viewpoint.
 
2012-12-19 07:25:53 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Yeah but that was like 90 years ago so it doesn't count anymore.

It's not like those kids are still detonated or anything.


so you're saying they'd all be dead by now anyway ?
 
2012-12-19 07:28:55 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Yea I know, it's weird



I would expect nothing less.
 
2012-12-19 07:29:03 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: log_jammin: LordJiro: How does ANFO compare to C4 or dynamite?


I got to go to here a few years ago. http://www.emrtc.nmt.edu/ and from the little I remember, a couple of dog food sized sacks of ANFO obliterated a car and the little shed/house next to it. But I can't remember if they did anything with dynamite. But C4 seemed a little bit weaker than I pictured it being.


C4 is a cutting charge. It's used to cut reinforcement steel mainly. Explosives that burn at a high rate of speed (that's what explosions are really) then the more concentrated energy. However in open air, that doesn't do much damage. That's why slower burning explosives like ammonium nitrate cause more damage in open areas. The concussion is actually greater, but it's more effective if you tamp material around it. We mainly use things like that for cratering charges, the more dirt you pack around it the more that energy is transferred and the bigger the hole in the ground.


Incidentally, why don't we all give a friendly wave to the nice people at the NSA who are undoubtedly reading these posts, and reassure them that we are merely discussing such things out of innocent scientific curiosity?
 
2012-12-19 07:29:59 AM  
But yet dynamite is still avaliable for ANYONE with a permit. Why? Dynamite should only be in the hands of law enforcement and military. It was never ment for civilian use.
 
2012-12-19 07:31:20 AM  

Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.


Parents hid him? The mom wrote a letter outlining the dangers of her son. Hardly hiding him.

Since the case under JFK regarding the aclu and involuntary committal to hospitals, there is little one can do if a mentally ill person doesn't want treatment.
 
2012-12-19 07:32:54 AM  

LordJiro: But it seems modern conservatives would rather turn our schools into militarized zones than address mental healthcare or sensible gun control.


Its only logic.
Rounding up all the crazies and treating them takes time, confiscating all the guns takes time, disarming all the gang bangers and mafioso takes time.
The US isn't as lightly armed as other countries and millions of people take pride in keeping it that way. So sending the ATF door to door and dealing with their botched raids will take time.
It could be decades.

People want to know what you are doing about the problem tomorrow.

/Its as if you respond to your house being robbed by shutting down all the pawn shops.
/Chances are you're going to be robbed a few more times before that solution takes effect, assuming it ever does.
 
2012-12-19 07:33:38 AM  

LordJiro: Incidentally, why don't we all give a friendly wave to the nice people at the NSA who are undoubtedly reading these posts, and reassure them that we are merely discussing such things out of innocent scientific curiosity?



Uncle Sam paid good money to teach me these things so I think the NSA already knows.
 
2012-12-19 07:33:46 AM  

MyRandomName: Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.

Parents hid him? The mom wrote a letter outlining the dangers of her son. Hardly hiding him.

Since the case under JFK regarding the aclu and involuntary committal to hospitals, there is little one can do if a mentally ill person doesn't want treatment.


Involuntary incarceration for the mentally ill is a tricky subject. On one hand, crazy people aren't generally going to want to commit themselves, no matter how badly they need it. On the other hand, allowing the involuntary incarceration of non-criminals has SERIOUS can-of-worms potential.
 
2012-12-19 07:40:23 AM  
This is gods master plan, no reason being upset by it.

In his glorious wisdom I trust and release the pressures of the earth.

Isn't belief empowering?
 
2012-12-19 07:40:43 AM  
Teabagism is a powerful mental disease. Sad really.
 
2012-12-19 07:42:21 AM  

MyRandomName: Since the case under JFK regarding the aclu and involuntary committal to hospitals, there is little one can do if a mentally ill person doesn't want treatment.


This is true, but I find giving them access to and training with firearms to be a poor alternative.
 
2012-12-19 07:45:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: This is true, but I find giving them access to and training with firearms to be a poor alternative.



Well if they're displaying signs then sure, but target shooting can actually be kind of therapeutic. It takes a lot of concentration and patience. Yes yes but guns are evil that shoot little bits of Satan out.
 
2012-12-19 07:46:11 AM  

MythDragon: But yet dynamite is still avaliable for ANYONE with a permit. Why? Dynamite should only be in the hands of law enforcement and military. It was never ment for civilian use.


I know plenty of farmers that get dynamite permits to remove stumps and beaver dams from their farms. On one of my highway projects the contractor used ammonium nitrate to blast rock out of the cuts. They'd drill holes about 2' away from each other, fill them full of the liquid explosive, wire blasting caps into them, seal the holes and set it off from a remote detonator. They removed about 13 million cubic yards of rock that way.
 
2012-12-19 07:47:57 AM  
Lest we forget: The next nine deadliest school massacres in US history were all perpetrated with firearms. Of these, six have happened within the past seven years.
 
2012-12-19 07:48:28 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: This is true, but I find giving them access to and training with firearms to be a poor alternative.


Well if they're displaying signs then sure, but target shooting can actually be kind of therapeutic.


Yeah I don't think it worked. Maybe try a video game.
 
2012-12-19 07:48:57 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah I don't think it worked. Maybe try a video game.



Only if it's a nice kid safe one like Grand Theft Auto
 
2012-12-19 07:48:59 AM  
to keep Sandy Hook in perspective, I keep in mind Our Lady Of The Angels. This was a large, Catholic Elementary school in Chicago that caught fire in in 1958. It was allegedly started by a student they knew was a firebug.


http://www.olafire.com/

92 students burned to death, including a entire class of 5th Graders. The stories from that fire were horrific, 4th Grade jumping from second story windows to escape, only to suffer broken bones with they hit the ground.

The way that whole thing went down was a clusterfark of monumental proportions. From a school that was severely overcrowded, to fire extinguishers mounted EIGHT FEET off the ground, to rules that stated that they had to find the "principal" before hitting the fire alarm (who was out of the building and cost them at least ten minutes before a visiting teacher finally hit it. By then it was too late). The list goes on.
 
2012-12-19 07:50:21 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: LordJiro: Incidentally, why don't we all give a friendly wave to the nice people at the NSA who are undoubtedly reading these posts, and reassure them that we are merely discussing such things out of innocent scientific curiosity?


Uncle Sam paid good money to teach me these things so I think the NSA already knows.


That's why I covered my monitor in tinfoil-so they couldn't read what was on there. Right now I am working on a box lined with the stuff with two holes carved out to cover my keyboard to foil keystroke logging programs. You can't be too careful these days.....
 
2012-12-19 07:51:34 AM  

Whole Wheat: That's why I covered my monitor in tinfoil-so they couldn't read what was on there. Right now I am working on a box lined with the stuff with two holes carved out to cover my keyboard to foil keystroke logging programs. You can't be too careful these days.....



If the NSA really wants to know what kind of weird sh*t I jerk off to, then they can go ahead.
 
2012-12-19 07:56:54 AM  

Ordinary Genius: Kesherz: Ordinary Genius: pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has

Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.

Because he's not referring to Hitler. He's referring to Stalin, in a "Communism bad" cliche. Pure derp.

I realized it was Stalin later in the thread. I guess my real question is that why is it cool/funny to refer to the bath bomber as a tea partier, because he likely shared one viewpoint with them, but not okay to refer to Stalin who likely shared viewpoints with "leftists"?

I just don't get it on either side, really. I feel like it's like saying correlation equals causation. You could probably find multiple viewpoints that are shared by crazy people. That doesn't mean the idea itself is crazy. In fact, a few people pointed out that absurdity up in the thread.

Am I missing something?


I think you are pretty much on the correct train of thought. The USA is very divided by politics today. It seems to pervade almost all aspects of life, and more and more the conflict of political wrangling seems to be used as entertainment for some. I agree with John Adams that political bifurcation is quite possibly the greatest threat to the long term success of the USA. So many people have completley forgotten any pride in being an American they had, but instead claim to be ashamed of the country because XXXX in the other party ruined it. Guess what? Nothing revolutionary has happened, it is all exageration and political theatre designed to get you riled up and scared.

The only hope is for the rationale people trying to keep cool heads and who focus on the good of the country over the good of the party to speak up, and shame those on both extremes for driving a wedge into the United States. Comparing a tragic massacre from 85 years ago to a fringe political group today is shameful, because it is obvious there is no affiliation, it isn't like the Tea Party held this nut-job up as some sort of anti-tax hero to emulate. (In my personal opinion the Tea Party has lots of problems with their long-term thinking, but I don't equate them with elementary school bombers by any stretch). Making a veiled comparison between some unspecified dictator and his atrocities to ANYTHING going on in the American political system today is shameful because it both lightens the tragedy of the original loss of life, and serves only to propagandize for one-side, with absolutely no redeeming value with regards to having a worthwhile, substantive discussion.

Luckily, I don't think it is as bad as it seems, as invariably the ones with the craziest ideas are the ones yelling the loudest. The people who care about their fellow Americans more than any political affiliation will shake their heads, or just ignore the vitriol, and go on with their lives doing all the little things they can day-to-day to make the country better, because it all starts with a single person trying to live a good life.

/End Rant
 
2012-12-19 07:57:28 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?


Haven't been too many dynamite massacres, so I'd say "Yes."
 
2012-12-19 08:05:51 AM  
It was the video games that drove him to it. People love paying taxes, it makes them feel like they're part of the Govmint.
 
2012-12-19 08:08:04 AM  

GratuityIncluded: This is outrageous! How can this happen when it is illegal to kill people with dynamite!?


How does it happen? Not very often. Certainly, not as often as shootings happen. One suspects that this is in large part due to the fact that it is much easier to get a gun than dynamite.

I also think that this would happen more often if an ordinary citizen could just tool over to AmmuNation and buy a bundle of explosives with as little fuss as a shotgun. Indeed, if dynamite ownership were as were as widespread as firearm ownership, I'd expect to hear a lot more explosions around town. What about you?

It's not all bad. Legalized dynamite would reduce the number of shootings. You could even truthfully say that one of the reasons why we have so many shootings is that we've made it so hard to buy explosives.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:23 AM  

Ow My Balls: To all of my crazy aunts posting "This is what you get when God isn't allowed in schools" stuff, I'm pretty sure God was allowed in Bath, MI in 1927. The Amish school shooting a few years ago as well...


I thought God was all-powerful. If someone won't allow him in schools then that person is more powerful than God.
 
2012-12-19 08:10:46 AM  

doglover: I hope he was skinned alive and left to die of sepsis.


What little was left was put in an unmarked grave. His family was so mortified, they moved to another town and changed their name.
 
2012-12-19 08:11:03 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: If only they had some dynamite to defend themselves against that dynamite.


This.
 
2012-12-19 08:11:55 AM  

Frehar: I thought God was all-powerful. If someone won't allow him in schools then that person is more powerful than God.


Nobody farks with the department of education.
 
2012-12-19 08:14:35 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?

/Sharpen your spoons, the won't let you have knives at this rate.


Well it's a lot harder to obtain / make explosives than it is to get your hands on the kind of firepower that can slaughter a bunch of a kids and a few adults in about 3 minutes. And you rarely get mass slaughters in the US that involve explosives, even if you include outright terrorist attacks like Oklahoma and 9/11. So I'm inclined to say yes.

Most places that have gun control (like us) have some kind of knife control too, but it tends to be restricted to larger knives or swords. It can be a pain in the arse if you want a replica from Lord of the Rings, but cutlery isn't a problem. I can't think of a knife attack that caused casualties in the double digits. The worst one I came across was a school in China where I think 7 or 8 kids died? Which is pretty horrific, but it seems the guy was armed with a very large, very sharp sword. Heck, the same day as the shooting at Sandy Hook some guy went nuts in China and stabbed 22 children, but I believe all of them survived.

/hurting kids is about the worst thing people can do
//bad things will always happen
///it's about taking reasonable measures to cut the risks as much as you can
 
2012-12-19 08:16:07 AM  
Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?
 
2012-12-19 08:17:04 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

 
Abe Lincoln?
 
www.wearysloth.com
 
"Yes?"
 
2012-12-19 08:19:09 AM  

WTFDYW: Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?


Perhaps they meant deadliest school *shooting*?
 
2012-12-19 08:21:24 AM  

hamfast gamgee: ciberido:
[www.vgcats.com image 692x1034]

Ok. That went so far over my head it's in orbit. WTF?


it's a mix of fallout 3 and watchmen, for fallout 3 references to nukes, vault boy (google it), etc.

the thing about "save us" is from watchmen: Rorschach: [reading from journal] Rorschach's Journal. October 12th, 1985: Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

/not bad for having never played/watched either one
 
2012-12-19 08:23:52 AM  

queezyweezel: Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.


I was told that before we took god out of schools in the 1960's, we had no need for guns.

Maybe the children were British, as shown in this documentary about Washington.
 
2012-12-19 08:23:53 AM  

jm105: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

Jesus?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-19 08:24:41 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: log_jammin: ah. that makes sense.

 
 
I've been a combat engineer in the Army for a long time so I kind of geek out over explosives. Yea I know, it's weird
 
 
As a retired combat engineer, I can verify that your facts are correct. If I remember right, FM 5-34 says that ANFO burns at 24,000 FPS, and C-4 (and det cord) burns at 27,000 FPS. So the difference is not great, but the effects are. If you ran a length of det cord from Los Angeles to New York City, it would take eight minutes to consume itself. Basically, if you're demolishing concrete, wood, or earthworks, use ANFO. For cutting steel, C-4.
 
2012-12-19 08:24:42 AM  

LordJiro: WTFDYW: Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?

Perhaps they meant deadliest school *shooting*?


no, perhaps he just wasn't listening very closely or whatever small market jackboxes were rambling on about were wrong, but virginia tech was a deadlier 'shooting' that occurred about 5 yrs ago...
 
2012-12-19 08:25:44 AM  

LordJiro: WTFDYW: Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?

Perhaps they meant deadliest school *shooting*?


They did, but their intent was the same. They work hard to ensure that everything is the best/worst of it's kind. If a girl kills 10 people in a school, they'll report it as the deadliest school shooting by a girl. If a person over 65 does it, it will be the deadliest by a senior citizen. They're not incorrect, but they're certainly sensationalizing it.

Echoing Canton's comments above, I've been surprised at how little the media has mentioned the Bath Massacre, even the papers in Michigan (I live a few miles from Bath).
 
2012-12-19 08:26:39 AM  
Gelatinous:
 
The Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers. It is used as a mouthpiece for their business interests. Remaining ignorant of this must be an incredible act of willpower.
 
 
You really believe that? I mean, seriously?
That's Glen Beck, 'George Soros is satan' levels of stupidity.
 
2012-12-19 08:27:13 AM  
From Wiki: He argued with township financial authorities, trying to get the valuation of his property reduced, and claimed that he had paid too much for the farm. He also tried to get the mortgage taken off but was not successful.

This guy sounds like the Occupy/so-called-progressvie loons we are putting up now a days. "Whaaa! I over paid for my investment, whaaa!, I should get my house for free, whaaa!, the banks made me take out that mortgage. But hey, propaganda on tards.
 
2012-12-19 08:31:13 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.
 
Abe Lincoln?
 
[www.wearysloth.com image 320x240]
 
"Yes?"


I didn't say "Hey Blinkin", I said "Abe Lincoln"

/Yes I know it was reversed in the movie
//They call me Little John, but I am really very...very...big
 
2012-12-19 08:31:43 AM  

david_gaithersburg: From Wiki: He argued with township financial authorities, trying to get the valuation of his property reduced, and claimed that he had paid too much for the farm. He also tried to get the mortgage taken off but was not successful.

This guy sounds like the Occupy/so-called-progressvie loons we are putting up now a days. "Whaaa! I over paid for my investment, whaaa!, I should get my house for free, whaaa!, the banks made me take out that mortgage. But hey, propaganda on tards.


His beef was taxes. He's your ideological brethren. Every teabagger is one tax dispute away from murdering children, it's a fact.
 
2012-12-19 08:34:14 AM  
I was just looking at the updated FM 5-34, and they give different speeds for the charges. That, or I fail.
 
Revised numbers:
 
C-4- 26,000 FPS
Det cord- 20,000-24,000 FPS
Military dynamite- 20,000 FPS
Shaped charges- 25,600 FPS
Cratering charge- 8,900 FPS
 
2012-12-19 08:38:36 AM  

divgradcurl: LordJiro: WTFDYW: Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?

Perhaps they meant deadliest school *shooting*?

no, perhaps he just wasn't listening very closely or whatever small market jackboxes were rambling on about were wrong, but virginia tech was a deadlier 'shooting' that occurred about 5 yrs ago...


Ah. In that case, there's a very good chance of the talking heads being idiots.
 
2012-12-19 08:39:19 AM  

Canton: I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring up the Bath School bombing. Then again, the nutjob used explosives, not bullets, so maybe that's why.



Guns use explosives....jus sayin'....and baths kill people too!
 
2012-12-19 08:39:48 AM  

Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.


Look down. At the branch you're sawing.

If owning large stockpiles of dynamite is a crime, only criminals will own large stockpiles of dynamite.
 
2012-12-19 08:42:29 AM  

log_jammin: queezyweezel: Well, Sandy Hook wasn't so bad then.
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a lot better about this now.


*looks over the thread*
 
I'll be darned if I can find a comment where anyone makes that claim.



I think that it's easily (perhaps Mis-)construed as implied.  As in, "Oh yeah? Well read this and see which is worse.  When I was a kid -walks to school etc. sort of thing
 
2012-12-19 08:44:50 AM  
I'm sure he just wanted his country back.
 
2012-12-19 08:47:42 AM  

lar_m: I listened to this inspiring TED talk PRX on satellite about about how drew stood up to a patent shakedown. And I read about a whitelist. and I thought about all the years I paid for totaaal fark. Then I remembered there was no way a bad headline about gettlefinger would get greenlit around last election time. I gave a bum on the street a dollar and called it a day.


Considering that Fark is entirely user driven, both for news story submission and article comments, basically a script driven cash machine for Drew, Fark can take their whitelist-anti Adblock bullshiat and shove it where the sun don't shine.

You put an anti ad blocking banner up, I block the farking element the stupid thing is a part of, and then shiat on your chest. That's the Cleveland way.
 
2012-12-19 08:51:33 AM  

way south: There isn't much to divine from this incident today.
The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.


What I actually find fascinating about this story is that this person went absolutely apeshiat in much the same way our mass murderers do today...which is interesting because today we blame:

video games
being autistic
not being autistic
being a genius
bad parenting
bullying

But in the end, the guy was a farking sociopath, plain and simple. Brain wired wrong...society was very different 85 years ago, yet 'amazingly' - same result.

This story makes me think that all of our modern day explanations are all just so much bullshiat.
 
2012-12-19 08:54:50 AM  
The current high score holder with a firearm, the Va Tech Piece Of Shait, used pistols and reloaded probably a dozen times. Short of confiscation, further restrictions will not work.

Before any more 2A restrictions let's see some First Amendment restrictions on news media mentioning the name of the shooter. I don't want to see shiat about these losers that commit these type crimes. Let's see bios of the dead and end of story. Mention the scumbags name? Pay a huge fine.

Ban first person shooter violent video games. Every last one. Sell a violent game? Pay.
 
2012-12-19 08:55:56 AM  

Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.


It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control
 
2012-12-19 08:57:04 AM  
If only he hadn't had "assault weapons"!

Oh, wait...
 
2012-12-19 08:57:43 AM  

neongoats: lar_m: I listened to this inspiring TED talk PRX on satellite about about how drew stood up to a patent shakedown. And I read about a whitelist. and I thought about all the years I paid for totaaal fark. Then I remembered there was no way a bad headline about gettlefinger would get greenlit around last election time. I gave a bum on the street a dollar and called it a day.

Considering that Fark is entirely user driven, both for news story submission and article comments, basically a script driven cash machine for Drew, Fark can take their whitelist-anti Adblock bullshiat and shove it where the sun don't shine.

You put an anti ad blocking banner up, I block the farking element the stupid thing is a part of, and then shiat on your chest. That's the Cleveland way.


Yeah, I un-adblocked Fark out of goodwill. But considering that every last ad I've seen so far has been full of DERP, I'm starting to rethink that.
 
2012-12-19 08:57:44 AM  

LordJiro: But it seems modern conservatives would rather turn our schools into militarized zones than address mental healthcare or sensible gun control.


If you just live exactly like we do, there won't be any problems. No crime, no taxes, no violence.
We'll even be so kind as to write laws that force you to live exactly like we do. All in the name of Freedom.
 
2012-12-19 08:58:13 AM  

L82DPRT: The current high score holder with a firearm, the Va Tech Piece Of Shait, used pistols and reloaded probably a dozen times. Short of confiscation, further restrictions will not work.

Before any more 2A restrictions let's see some First Amendment restrictions on news media mentioning the name of the shooter. I don't want to see shiat about these losers that commit these type crimes. Let's see bios of the dead and end of story. Mention the scumbags name? Pay a huge fine.

Ban first person shooter violent video games. Every last one. Sell a violent game? Pay.


That wouldn't do anything to curb gun violence. Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.
 
2012-12-19 08:58:16 AM  

MyRandomName: Generation_D: im convinced the newtown punk had loads of warning signs, but the parents hid them from authority.  vice presidents are probably pretty good at getting small town cops to ignore arrests that could have happened otherwise.  upper middle class family with a recent divorce... probably some real clues if they wanted to quit ignoring them.

Parents hid him? The mom wrote a letter outlining the dangers of her son. Hardly hiding him.

Since the case under JFK regarding the aclu and involuntary committal to hospitals, there is little one can do if a mentally ill person doesn't want treatment.


What letter?? Where is it?

/wat?
 
2012-12-19 08:58:41 AM  
I have read four times now that the Newtown shooting was the biggest mass murder in our history. This wouldn't be so laughable if the wrong information came from some basement dwelling blogger, but it came from mainline news sources. It seems reporters and editors have very short memories and have forgotten that Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people and wounded 17 others at VA Tech in April, 2007.
 
2012-12-19 08:59:20 AM  

log_jammin: Ordinary Genius: but not okay to refer to Stalin who likely shared viewpoints with "leftists"?


The only important viewpoint Stalin had was "Keep Stalin in power and living the good life" and you won't find any "leftists" who agree with that viewpoint.


Hell, even Lenin - Lenin - didn't think Stalin should have been allowed anywhere near the Party leadership. He should know; they robbed banks together years before coming to power.
 
2012-12-19 09:00:17 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
Wait, was there prayer in that school back in the 20s?
 
2012-12-19 09:04:38 AM  

L82DPRT: The current high score holder with a firearm, the Va Tech Piece Of Shait, used pistols and reloaded probably a dozen times. Short of confiscation, further restrictions will not work.

Before any more 2A restrictions let's see some First Amendment restrictions on news media mentioning the name of the shooter. I don't want to see shiat about these losers that commit these type crimes. Let's see bios of the dead and end of story. Mention the scumbags name? Pay a huge fine.

Ban first person shooter violent video games. Every last one. Sell a violent game? Pay.


You post this dreck in a thread discussing a massacre that happened LONG before video games existed, and yet you still blame video games? Are you farking thick?

Psychos existed long before video games. And they'll keep existing. The best we can do is make it harder for them to acquire weaponry (via stricter requirements for obtaining a firearm) while making it easier for them to get the psychiatric care they need.

If someone goes on a rampage because of a video game, they were crazy with or without the game. Period.
 
2012-12-19 09:05:09 AM  
If this happened today, the Congress would ban farm trucks and preclude farmers from running for the school board.
 
2012-12-19 09:05:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.


Gun violence is down. Obviously we should continue what we are doing. Buying the shiat out of guns and locking up tons of criminals.

Libs are using sensational mass shootings to push their agenda.

I don't believe confiscation will ever happen.
 
2012-12-19 09:09:29 AM  
From google, not tfa:
Hairstylists at salon frequented by massacre gunman and mother say Adam Lanza never spoke
Fox News - 4 hours ago
Employees at the salon thought he had moved away, said stylist Bob Skuba.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-19 09:09:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: From Wiki: He argued with township financial authorities, trying to get the valuation of his property reduced, and claimed that he had paid too much for the farm. He also tried to get the mortgage taken off but was not successful.

This guy sounds like the Occupy/so-called-progressvie loons we are putting up now a days. "Whaaa! I over paid for my investment, whaaa!, I should get my house for free, whaaa!, the banks made me take out that mortgage. But hey, propaganda on tards.

His beef was taxes. He's your ideological brethren. Every teabagger is one tax dispute away from murdering children, it's a fact.

.
I'm simply quoting the facts from Wiki, I'm not sorry if they offend you.
 
2012-12-19 09:10:22 AM  

wiredmaverick: I bet he played a lot of Mass Effect


we should ban video games

and sharp pointy sticks, large rocks
 
2012-12-19 09:11:45 AM  

LordJiro: WTFDYW: Late to the show, but wait a farking minute here. The reports that I have heard since last Friday say that Sandy Brook was the deadliest school massacre in our history.You mean to tell me that our media just may be sensationalising this or are they just THAT farking stupid?

Perhaps they meant deadliest school *shooting*?



Many reports I've heard characterize Sandy Hook as the 'second most deadly school shooting in recent
years
(after the VT shootings in '07)', or 'deadliest elementary school shooting in recent years'
 
Though this incident had a much higher loss of life, it was not a shooting.
 
2012-12-19 09:12:46 AM  

L82DPRT: HotWingConspiracy: Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.

Gun violence is down. Obviously we should continue what we are doing. Buying the shiat out of guns and locking up tons of criminals.


There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.

Libs are using sensational mass shootings to push their agenda.

Couldn't do it without the help of responsible gun owners like James Holmes.

I don't believe confiscation will ever happen.

Nobody does, it's just rhetoric the NRA uses to get you to give cash to their business partners.
 
2012-12-19 09:15:11 AM  

david_gaithersburg: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: From Wiki: He argued with township financial authorities, trying to get the valuation of his property reduced, and claimed that he had paid too much for the farm. He also tried to get the mortgage taken off but was not successful.

This guy sounds like the Occupy/so-called-progressvie loons we are putting up now a days. "Whaaa! I over paid for my investment, whaaa!, I should get my house for free, whaaa!, the banks made me take out that mortgage. But hey, propaganda on tards.

His beef was taxes. He's your ideological brethren. Every teabagger is one tax dispute away from murdering children, it's a fact.
.
I'm simply quoting the facts from Wiki, I'm not sorry if they offend you.


Misinterpreting facts from the Wiki. I'm here to help you. Don't get all fired up and murder children over it.
 
2012-12-19 09:18:44 AM  

IlGreven: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.

Or it could have been your faulty logic?

"They're just gonna kill kids in school anyway, so MORE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!"

/People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.


So, the 19 children murdered by McVeigh at the daycare didn't count because federal employees worked there as well? Good to know which murdered children don't really count as murdered children........
 
2012-12-19 09:22:53 AM  

LordJiro: Psychos


No more excuses for these scumbags. They knew what they were doing. Little man with a gun in his hand. Deny the POS any post massacre notoriety.

HotWingConspiracy: There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.


Except that gun violence has been trending downward all while we're wash in firearms and have experienced a massive buying spree under the current administration.
 
2012-12-19 09:23:05 AM  

namatad: Generation_D:
If I knew he was buying bomb materials, boom, I would contact the FBI.

as you can make bombs from just about anything, he doesnt need to buy the stuff; they already exist under the bathroom sink. better notify FBI and ATF just to make sure...
 
2012-12-19 09:23:54 AM  
It was a false flag operation set into motion by a global banking elite designed to create a mandate that would disarm the population, allow the installation of a police state, and an acceptance of active FEMA or concentration camps.
 
2012-12-19 09:25:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: L82DPRT: HotWingConspiracy: Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.

Gun violence is down. Obviously we should continue what we are doing. Buying the shiat out of guns and locking up tons of criminals.

There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.

Libs are using sensational mass shootings to push their agenda.

Couldn't do it without the help of responsible gun owners like James Holmes.

I don't believe confiscation will ever happen.

Nobody does, it's just rhetoric the NRA uses to get you to give cash to their business partners.


=================

Gun confiscation can't happen, there are too many guns in circulation. You'd need half the people in the US kicking down the doors of the other half to collect all these guns.

What will work is licensing of gun OWNERS. Wanna keep or buy guns/ammo? Submit to finger prints, photos, criminal background check, medical history check and PSYCHOLOGICAL testing. The more we learn about the recent school atrocity the more it seems that the shooter was bat shiat insane AND mom was certifiably paranoid. They had no criminal records, but they should have been denied firearms based on the FACT that they were farking nuts.

This is how my plan works:
Get caught in public with a firearm and and don't have a firearms license? That's gonna be confiscation and jail sentence. Wanna buy guns or ammo? No license, no deal. Also pass strict new federal laws that make people liable for not securing their firearms.
 
2012-12-19 09:25:47 AM  

L82DPRT: HotWingConspiracy: There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.

Except that gun violence has been trending downward all while we're wash in firearms and have experienced a massive buying spree under the current administration.



Go ahead and demonstrate how those things are directly related. I won't wait, I know that you can't.
 
2012-12-19 09:26:22 AM  
Roughly 300 school kids died in a natural gas explosion back in the 1930's. This was long before they started adding that nasty smell to natural gas so you could detect leaks.
 
2012-12-19 09:28:06 AM  

Fissile: HotWingConspiracy: L82DPRT: HotWingConspiracy: Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.

Gun violence is down. Obviously we should continue what we are doing. Buying the shiat out of guns and locking up tons of criminals.

There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.

Libs are using sensational mass shootings to push their agenda.

Couldn't do it without the help of responsible gun owners like James Holmes.

I don't believe confiscation will ever happen.

Nobody does, it's just rhetoric the NRA uses to get you to give cash to their business partners.

=================

Gun confiscation can't happen, there are too many guns in circulation. You'd need half the people in the US kicking down the doors of the other half to collect all these guns.

What will work is licensing of gun OWNERS. Wanna keep or buy guns/ammo? Submit to finger prints, photos, criminal background check, medical history check and PSYCHOLOGICAL testing. The more we learn about the recent school atrocity the more it seems that the shooter was bat shiat insane AND mom was certifiably paranoid. They had no criminal records, but they should have been denied firearms based on the FACT that they were farking nuts.

This is how my plan works:
Get caught in public with a firearm and and don't have a firearms license? That's gonna be confiscation and jail sentence. Wanna buy guns or ammo? No license, no deal. Also pass strict new federal laws that make people liable for not securing their firearms.


.
Perhaps the world would be better off to just put people like you out of our misery.
 
2012-12-19 09:38:19 AM  
he was a severe, stubborn man fond of drastic solutions to small problems 

Dad?
 
2012-12-19 09:39:47 AM  
And the deadliest school disaster is still the New London School explosion. 295+ dead, 300+ injured.

Thanks BullBearMS.
 
2012-12-19 09:46:32 AM  
If someone would have taken away his guns, all those children would never have died. Oh wait....
 
2012-12-19 09:53:43 AM  

tdyak: And the deadliest school disaster is still the New London School explosion. 295+ dead, 300+ injured.


Ban assault gas. For the children.
 
2012-12-19 09:57:44 AM  
wild pigs were a problem back then too
 
2012-12-19 10:00:30 AM  

urban.derelict: Here we go. For those not paying attention:

1. His parents divorced in or around 2009
2. the father went out of his way to ensure hey paid much more than the minimum requirements
3. the father was not interested in custody of his minor son
4. the mother was collecting TWO HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR alimony
5. the mother WAS TRAINING HER SON, ADAM, to use HER assault rifles at firing ranges, in 2009 at least
6. the mother was BRAINWASHING her son -- while raking in 289f*ckingthousanddollarsayear with BS fairytales on the collapse of civilization

Mr. Lanza has the deaths of 25 innocent people on his hands, and his nuts couldn't possibly be as huge as his dead son's.


Mr. Lanza? You mean to tell me that stupid biatch couldn't have used some of that $289k on a gun safe or some trigger locks?
 
2012-12-19 10:08:59 AM  
Just to reiterate, this guy didn't use a gun.
 
2012-12-19 10:12:38 AM  
Subby? Come back when you get your facts straight.

Until then: Fark you.
 
2012-12-19 10:22:28 AM  

the ha ha guy: armoredbulldozer: Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government?

My town has a local tea party chapter. The fliers they put up before every meeting have nothing to do with taxes, and generally include words that would get filtered on Fark...


Boobies
 
2012-12-19 10:35:02 AM  

SlothB77: Just to reiterate, this guy didn't use a gun.


Your point? How many school bombings have there been in the United States? Oh, right, not nearly as many as school shootings, because explosives (particularly in that quantity) are farking hard to get ahold of.

Gun licenses should have strict requirements, including psychological screening and extensive safety training, and should need to be renewed every few years. No exceptions.
 
2012-12-19 10:35:52 AM  

wildcardjack: So.... Has Dynamite control worked?

/Sharpen your spoons, the won't let you have knives at this rate.


The feds haven't tried, just like they haven't with gun control:

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/materials-fertilizer-bombs-no t -regulated

It might be too re$trictive, you see.
 
2012-12-19 10:37:54 AM  

JackieRabbit: I have read four times now that the Newtown shooting was the biggest mass murder in our history. This wouldn't be so laughable if the wrong information came from some basement dwelling blogger, but it came from mainline news sources. It seems reporters and editors have very short memories and have forgotten that Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people and wounded 17 others at VA Tech in April, 2007.


The media makes this a high stakes game where only a few players are acknowledged for a high ranking on the leader board.

Shooting wise...
US High Score
- 32 Kills 17 Wounded.

/USA, USA, wait just a second we are supposed to be number 1!

World High Score
- 67 Kills (69 if you count the person that fell from the cliff and the person that drowned, both trying to escape) and 110 with various injuries.
- add 8 Kills and 209 injuries if you want to include his bombing in Oslo.

//Someone needs to put us back on top
 
2012-12-19 10:40:11 AM  

RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


What's the Stalin equivalent of Godwin's Law?

BTW, one of the Koch Bros. is on the cover of the latest Forbes magazine saying that "most power is to be used for coercion." Josef Vissarionovich couldn't have said it better himself.
 
2012-12-19 10:41:29 AM  

namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.

no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.
 
It is estimated that 646 people were inside the building when the bomb exploded.[90] By the end of the day of the bombing, twenty were confirmed dead, including six children, and over one hundred injured
 
so no
there was no difference whatsoever. both of the murderers new that there were children present. both of the murderers killed women and children.


As somebody who is neither female nor a child, I resent the implication that I am automatically either expendable or culpable.

On a related note, any farkettes want to give me something worth dying for? :-P
 
2012-12-19 10:43:45 AM  

IlGreven: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.

 
Or it could have been your faulty logic?
 
"They're just gonna kill kids in school anyway, so MORE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!"
 
/People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.
 
They  realize the difference, they just know that it is irrelevant.
 
2012-12-19 10:44:15 AM  

FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-19 10:47:01 AM  

armoredbulldozer: There was no Tea Party then, douchemitter. Why do you guys have a problem with people that protest a wasteful and overtaxing government? (Not this dynamite lunatic, I'm talking present day.) The fleabaggers are the ones that don't even have a cause, and they shiat on cop cars to promote their cause that they are not sure of. I'm glad they are all gone. The ones that committed arson in Denver might be farked, I hope.


4.bp.blogspot.com


".....Ipso Fatso Phhhhhttt!!!!"
 
2012-12-19 10:50:55 AM  

ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons


But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.
 
2012-12-19 10:51:36 AM  

Ow My Balls: To all of my crazy aunts posting "This is what you get when God isn't allowed in schools" stuff, I'm pretty sure God was allowed in Bath, MI in 1927. The Amish school shooting a few years ago as well...

 
 
Michael Karneal shot into a group of students standing in a circle and praying. I think god was allowed there, too.
 
2012-12-19 10:52:32 AM  

LordJiro: neongoats: lar_m: I listened to this inspiring TED talk PRX on satellite about about how drew stood up to a patent shakedown. And I read about a whitelist. and I thought about all the years I paid for totaaal fark. Then I remembered there was no way a bad headline about gettlefinger would get greenlit around last election time. I gave a bum on the street a dollar and called it a day.

Considering that Fark is entirely user driven, both for news story submission and article comments, basically a script driven cash machine for Drew, Fark can take their whitelist-anti Adblock bullshiat and shove it where the sun don't shine.

You put an anti ad blocking banner up, I block the farking element the stupid thing is a part of, and then shiat on your chest. That's the Cleveland way.

Yeah, I un-adblocked Fark out of goodwill. But considering that every last ad I've seen so far has been full of DERP, I'm starting to rethink that.


What ads?
 
2012-12-19 10:53:08 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Whole Wheat: That's why I covered my monitor in tinfoil-so they couldn't read what was on there. Right now I am working on a box lined with the stuff with two holes carved out to cover my keyboard to foil keystroke logging programs. You can't be too careful these days.....


If the NSA really wants to know what kind of weird sh*t I jerk off to, then they can go ahead.


Yup. I feel sorry for the poor farkers who have to monitor me.
 
2012-12-19 10:54:43 AM  

Scythed: Bath is one of the creepiest places I have ever been to. It's like the school bombing put some sort of curse onto the place so that the only thing that looks nice and kept-up is the bombing memorial and two relatively new schools right across the street. Everything else is just run-down, dreary, and deserted.

Also, for some reason that I absolutely cannot figure out and can't possibly be related to modern political discourse at all, the traditional narrative that Kehoe was mad about the high property tax assessments that ended up bankrupting him is being replaced by a new, more nonsensical account of him being upset at losing the race for township clerk, which he only ran for so he could lower taxes anyways. Don't believe me? Go compare the last revision to the Wikipedia article from before last Friday to the current one. I wonder what suddenly compelled people to change the established facts and motive behind something that happened 90 years ago?


www.atissun.com
 
2012-12-19 10:57:44 AM  

Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.


I remember going to TOTSE when I was younger. There was plenty of documentation on bomb creation and tons of other crap.
 
2012-12-19 10:58:09 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: way south: The only lesson I take is that, while we've put in alot of arms and explosives control since, we still haven't hit the root of the problem.

Actually, if you look at explosives control laws, and the number of bombings which involved anything other than home-made explosives, you'll see a direct correlation.

Hell, since the OKC bombing, we started tracking large sales of fertilizer and we haven't had a single bombing involving fertilizer/fuel oil. Imagine the destruction McVeigh could have caused is the truck had been full of legally-obtained C4 or dynamite.



I'm surprised nobody has tried to use Tannerite in large quantities. It is kind of pricy, though.
 
2012-12-19 10:59:13 AM  

Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.


Not every psycho will be able to get ahold of hundreds of explosives, and if they do, they'll have federal agents waiting at their doorstep when they get it home. And mandatory psychological screening for a firearms license will weed a lot of them out. If they then turn to the black market, there are good odds that they'll be caught in a sting, or end up getting screwed in some manner
 
2012-12-19 10:59:15 AM  

hamfast gamgee: ciberido:
[www.vgcats.com image 692x1034]

 
Ok. That went so far over my head it's in orbit. WTF?
 
 
It's a mash-up of two different references: Fallout 3 and Watchmen.  The original quote is from a character name Rorschach from the 1986 "superhero" comic Watchmen:
 
Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."  
 
As you might guess from the quote, it was something of a deconstruction of the superhero genre.  The superheros are more like antiheroes.  It was made a movie in 2009.  Worth seeing.   
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen  ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen_(film)
 
The other parts, including the idea that the character narrating is blowing up a city with a nuclear bomb and says "Tunnel Snakes rule" at the end, comes from the computer game Fallout 3, which is set in a post-apocalyptic wasteland after a nuclear holocaust.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tunnel-snakes-rule
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhB1PNCB0S4&&t=815

Oh, and substitution of "hacking and whacking" for "sex and murder" in the comic strip comes from the song "Butcher Pete", which is a song people in the Fallout 3 game world listen to a lot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5xd2HFIIYU
 
One of the things about Fallout 3 is the idea that the 1950s' idea of imminent nuclear destruction and the need for fallout shelters were true, so the nuclear holocaust took place in the 1950s (or a world that was culturally like 1950s America), which is why the "tunnel Snakes" look like Greasers from the 1950s, and the music is what was popular at that time.
 
The comic that combines the two is called "VG Cats."
 
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=279
 
2012-12-19 11:03:20 AM  

Tenatra: I remember going to TOTSE when I was younger. There was plenty of documentation on bomb creation and tons of other crap.


Ah it's nice to see that there is still an archive for the now defunct site. Link
 
2012-12-19 11:05:44 AM  

Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.


collider.com
 
2012-12-19 11:05:56 AM  

Ordinary Genius: pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has

Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.


Do you really think Hitler only murdered 7.5 million people? Really, do non-Jews not count as human beings or something? 27-35 million died in the USSR alone. Are you some Likud bagger trolling from Tel Aviv or something?
 
2012-12-19 11:11:59 AM  

namatad: RabidJade: Sounds like you're judgmental on someone who isn't like you or the other friends who know him. Anyways tendencies and reactions to everyday situations are tell-tale signs to watch for. Too many people like to pin badges to people who have one or two "nut case" stereotypes but are otherwise normal. Sadly it's easier to label someone a nutcase than to defend against it in the current world.

hahahaahah hahahahaha hahahahahahahah hahahaha
god I wish that were all that it was.
That would make things trivial. This is someone that I have known all my life. He is like family. 
It isnt any of the things. It is the pattern. There is a difference between all the tea party nuts and the Timothy McVeighs of the world. The question is can we and how do we tell the difference.
 
Believe me, if it were only one or two differences, if it were a healthy kind of difference.
But it is the pattern. The larger number of them.
And you are right, there are tons of survivalist, sovereignists, anti-government types out there who, while completely nutty, are probably also "safe" and not a threat to the rest of us. 
 
So what are the patterns, what are the "limits" when does 2-3 nutty, but probably safe, become completely and totally front page news.
 
Is it as simple as "if the police came to his door, would he die in a shoot out" nutty??
If the answer is no, he would be able to answer the door like an adult, then fine.
But if it is yes, he would shoot to kill rather than answer the doorbell, then turn him in.
 
bah
too late for this


You do have to be careful though. I know it's basically useless to call anyone right now as he must first either give you a complete "open hand" of his possible future plans (like actually seeing preparations and equipment for an actual bomb being made, with explosives on-site). OR he must threaten someone else or himself. Those are VERY opaque lines that can never be crossed. So, for now the only thing you can realistically even do is pay specific attention to his moods, behavioral actions (and changes--considering that you said you know this person for 30 some-odd years you really should be able to see the cracks that form in the psyche and especially large divergences from the past). If you have no real knowledge on psychology, but you REALLY want to take this seriously I suggest you read. But, be careful... If you reach too far and you're wrong, you WILL get burned and it may inadvertently hurt your friend besides destroying your friendship. Beliefs and dogmas are nice and everything, but it really comes down to how he actually exercises his will with these ideals and ideas in mind.

I would suggest a very careful approach no matter what, as even if he is mentally ill he may be actually fairly under control (though in need of a doctor and most likely medication). But, the stigma surrounding the mentally ill is a HUGE issue--most people simple just don't understand at all how the brain works--proof in point is that many still are adamant in their belief that there's a actual ethereal soul inside all of us, ushered away from this place after death and it contains everything that would ACTUALLY be in the brain. From an objective standpoint you could atleast say much of mankind is atleast ignorant, but worse is that so many kill, and commit atrocities with these ignorant thoughts and attitudes in play. Are they really any less mentally ill (a current study linked intelligence, the ability to EVEN have it, directly tied to mental illness--think on that)? Of course, this is approaching philosophical ground and there isn't a need to go there as there isn't any answers yet.

@L82DPRT --
Really, first-person shooter games, again? Have you already forgotten the strange link between the people committing these acts and their health issues, their personal problems as well as social ones, and their overall life? No, I'm sure you're right, it's just the games that create these issues...just as it forced people to commit heinous actions across the U.S. and outside--across the globe... Also video-games haven't been around very long, you should remember that.

@sinschild --
That's a long list, so far. I'm sure it will get longer (is it a joke page or is that all, really, one sentence dogmatic beliefs for guns...). One day, perhaps in 3000 years it will rival the Bible for a foothold in a new dogmatic belief system so believers won't be swallowed by their overwhelming guilt (...that screams at you the entire time you read those...excuses?). Right?

----
We need to get our mental health system in order, which again is apart of an overall need for a complete medical system in the U.S.. It might be safer to have ALL U.S. citizens see a psychologist every few years as an adult, every year once you turn 12-35 and then every few years again afterwards. Along with regular doctor visits every year. But, everyone will just biatch and moan, but that really is one of the only ways I can think to truly challenge this issue without going "nova" on guns first. Kids and you adults need to have heavy psychological introduction, we have to break free of our stigmatic hold we've created for ourselves... Otherwise, the best way to neutralize guns is not actually the guns at all--though they could be dealt with when they are given to authorities or found (a joke of course...). Ammunition is the ONLY choice and option here, though we will certainly NEVER--just like the drug-war--be safe from guns. In fact this "war" might become even more bloody than the drug-war. Crappy options, except treating the disease and possibly even eradicating it in time, especially if it's found to be genetic in origin (many are starting to look to be that way).
 
2012-12-19 11:16:27 AM  

ciberido: the idea that the 1950s' idea of imminent nuclear destruction and the need for fallout shelters were true


I've only been in one school that was equipped for an attack, shooting or otherwise, it was an elementary school on an AFB. The school was built with fallout shelter tunnels below it. In each classroom there was a panel on the floor that needed a key to unlock and lift the panel. It could also be locked from the inside.
 
2012-12-19 11:16:29 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Comparing a tragic massacre from 85 years ago to a fringe political group today is shameful, because it is obvious there is no affiliation, it isn't like the Tea Party held this nut-job up as some sort of anti-tax hero to emulate.


Yes, I'm sure that Andrew Kehoe shared no anti-tax, unrestricted business beliefs with Andrew Mellon, Warren Harding or Calvin Coolidge whatsoever.


"I wonder we haven't better company/Here on Tyburn Tree...."
 
2012-12-19 11:19:40 AM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: It was a false flag operation set into motion by a global banking elite designed to create a mandate that would disarm the population, allow the installation of a police state, and an acceptance of active FEMA or concentration camps.



An Iranian news site is claiming that it was an Israeli hit-squad that did the killing, and that Lanza is just an Oswald.
 
2012-12-19 11:22:04 AM  

tdyak: And the deadliest school disaster is still the New London School explosion. 295+ dead, 300+ injured.

 
Thanks BullBearMS.

Breslan School Massacre. 385 dead, 783 injured.
 
2012-12-19 11:22:32 AM  

sinschild: Greywar: I brought up the bath school massacre to folks on my facebook a couple days ago when they went all gun control on me. Apparently my pro-gun viewpoint surprised them.

 
It's amazing what one has to believe to believe in gun control
 
 
Yeah, that link of yours is pretty amazing, alright.
 
If that's what you think control-advocates are saying, then it's no wonder there's so little constructive dialog.  Then they might as well be talking to you in Ithkuil.
 
2012-12-19 11:23:44 AM  
So if you're cranky and hate taxes, you're obviously in the Tea Party. Brilliant.

Stay classy, Fark.
 
2012-12-19 11:27:36 AM  

LordJiro: Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.

Not every psycho will be able to get ahold of hundreds of explosives, and if they do, they'll have federal agents waiting at their doorstep when they get it home. And mandatory psychological screening for a firearms license will weed a lot of them out. If they then turn to the black market, there are good odds that they'll be caught in a sting, or end up getting screwed in some manner


I'm cool with that as long as the mandatory psychological screening is done for anyone wanting to vote.
 
2012-12-19 11:30:32 AM  
So what did Libertarian fairy godmother Ayn Rand have to say about murderers?

Well, lessee...................

Link
 
2012-12-19 11:35:35 AM  
So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.
 
2012-12-19 11:36:51 AM  
As long it doesn't interfere with consuming.
 
2012-12-19 11:40:15 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Fissile: HotWingConspiracy: L82DPRT: HotWingConspiracy: Your confiscation idea might, it's good that people are waking up to it.

Gun violence is down. Obviously we should continue what we are doing. Buying the shiat out of guns and locking up tons of criminals.

There has never been any evidence that having more guns reduces crime.

Libs are using sensational mass shootings to push their agenda.

Couldn't do it without the help of responsible gun owners like James Holmes.

I don't believe confiscation will ever happen.

Nobody does, it's just rhetoric the NRA uses to get you to give cash to their business partners.

=================

Gun confiscation can't happen, there are too many guns in circulation. You'd need half the people in the US kicking down the doors of the other half to collect all these guns.

What will work is licensing of gun OWNERS. Wanna keep or buy guns/ammo? Submit to finger prints, photos, criminal background check, medical history check and PSYCHOLOGICAL testing. The more we learn about the recent school atrocity the more it seems that the shooter was bat shiat insane AND mom was certifiably paranoid. They had no criminal records, but they should have been denied firearms based on the FACT that they were farking nuts.

This is how my plan works:
Get caught in public with a firearm and and don't have a firearms license? That's gonna be confiscation and jail sentence. Wanna buy guns or ammo? No license, no deal. Also pass strict new federal laws that make people liable for not securing their firearms.

.
Perhaps the world would be better off to just put people like you out of our misery.


================

Can't pass a psych evaluation, can you?
 
2012-12-19 11:51:21 AM  

I drunk what: we should ban video games

and sharp pointy sticks, large rocks


gnews.com

Don't forget bananas!
 
2012-12-19 11:55:32 AM  

sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.


Blame Obama.

Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.
 
2012-12-19 11:59:38 AM  
I read a book about this for one of my classes last year. It was pretty interesting, guy definately had some issues. I wish I could remember the name of it, will have to look it up when I get home.
 
2012-12-19 12:14:52 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 12:16:23 PM  

Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.


Yes, I put it that way on purpose. Some assaults would be committed whether or not there was a gun handy, some not. It's hard to say what the proportion is, but it seems that in some cases there would be no crime without a gun, and in some other cases the harm wouldn't be as great.

Take Adam Lanza for example. It seems likely that his murder of his mother would have happened regardless of his access to a gun. He wanted her dead and killed her in her sleep, a feat that would have been just as easy to accomplish with a dozen items laying around a typical house. So, even Japanese-type gun control wouldn't have saved her. The only thing that might have prevented it is, as you say, some kind of attentive monitoring of Adam's mental state.

The massacre at the school might have happened without a gun too. A fit 20 year old man could bump off 27 women and small children with a machete or crowbar (sorry for the image) but maybe he wouldn't want to. It would be hard, messy work compared with pulling a little lever, and probably take longer. The cops arrived in 10 minutes in his case, so even if he opted to hack his way onto CNN, he might have got less of a bodycount.

Mind, I'm not advocating banning guns to stop spree shootings, just pointing out that it would have a good effect if it could be done. I think it would be impractical in the U.S., and like you I believe other approaches would be more fruitful.
 
2012-12-19 12:38:14 PM  

Krieghund: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.

Whoa, way to Godwin the thread.

He didn't Godwin the thread.


Really? Pretty sure he was referring to Hitler and the Nazis. (Ce3ntralized government? Obviously. And, yes, Hitler did in fact "spread the wealth around," taking it from the Jews and other target groups and giving it to poor "Aryn" Germans and to beneficial infrastructure and product development Autobahn, VW). 7.5 million dead jibes with the Death Camp count + civilian war casualties. It was far too small to be referring to Uncle Joe, Glorious Leader Mao, or Psycho-Leader Pol Pot.
 
2012-12-19 12:49:46 PM  

namatad: fusillade762: Ellsworth writes that Kehoe once shot a noisy dog and killed his own horse because it was lazy. 
 
No warning signs there.


so yah
warning signs
When was the last wackjob attack where there no warning signs? ever?
farkem



Most of them. There are warning signs in hindsight, but the behaviors are so sudden that it looks like they're just having a few bad days. There's a theory floating around that it's linked to schizophrenia, and that's part of why. You really don't know beforehand.
 
/I just HTML'd my italics while I had italics buttons. Wow, I am so used to the raw HTML for commenting.
 
2012-12-19 01:11:15 PM  
It is very difficult to get a crazy person help. Had this issue with an adult nephew. It took a long time, and it took putting oneself in harms way. The guy was barricaded in his apartment. He was clever. We got the cops to come several times. He was very good at calming down when the cops came.

The cops knew he was nuts. We knew he was nuts, and he knew it, as well, but a stalemate persisted for weeks, because he wouldn't cross the line of smashing my face with a baseball bat.

What solved the immediate problem? In the middle of the night, nephew built a bonfire of religious literature in his abode, and smelling smoke, his upstairs neighbors called the fire department. The firemen didn't accept his calm explanation for the smoke, and didn't need a search warrant. They knocked down the door in 15 seconds, and called the cops immediately. Nephew was off to a mental ward for observation, and then the real trouble STARTED.

It took us two years of lawyers to get the the guy into the state mental health system. His interim care and the lawyers would have bankrupted my sister, if our family had not come to her financial and emotional assistance. The whole fiasco cost more than $75K, and countless hours of meetings, and bureaucratic B.S. This is why we have street people! That is where my nephew would have ended up without the efforts and financial support of a rather large extended family.
 
2012-12-19 01:14:49 PM  

PsiChick: There are warning signs in hindsight, but the behaviors are so sudden that it looks like they're just having a few bad days.


My grandpa bought 3 new cars in a week and a PA system to drive around town and run for public office when he was in his 40s. Before that the family members just thought his mood was from his personality and it didn't raise alarm - bipolar
My uncle snapped one day and killed his fiancee in his mid 20s, he had a full ride scholarship in college but ended up doing 18 years in prison instead - bipolar
I'm currently diagnosed bipolar and possible schizo, I got help after my problems started worsening in my early 20s
 
2012-12-19 01:20:10 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Ordinary Genius: pxlboy: RamboFrog: I'll see your 45 dead at the hands of someone angry about taxes and raise you 7,500,000 killed by a person who believed in a centralized government and spreading the wealth around.


Begun the derp has

Not saying I agree with him, but why is this derp? Because its a faux pas to bring up the holocaust? Is it because he raises the stakes exponentially? Because it relates hitler to what is considered a leftist mentality? I legitimately want to know, because I don't really get the Derp about it, hitler did murder millions because of his view on government and its role.

Do you really think Hitler only murdered 7.5 million people? Really, do non-Jews not count as human beings or something? 27-35 million died in the USSR alone. Are you some Likud bagger trolling from Tel Aviv or something?


No, I don't. I just assumed that's who he was talking about. Of course he killed far more than 7.5 mill.
 
2012-12-19 01:56:56 PM  

L82DPRT: The current high score holder with a firearm, the Va Tech Piece Of Shait, used pistols and reloaded probably a dozen times. Short of confiscation, further restrictions will not work.


Well, let's see. The murderer arrived in Norris Hall with two pistols, one with a fifteen round magazine and one with a ten round magazine. He fired ~174 rounds there. If the only pistol he reloaded during his attack was the one with the fifteen round clip, he reloaded ~ten times.

The VA Tech murderer bought his weapons and ammo legally. What if a law had been in place at the time whereby it would have been legal to sell to the public only clips of a capacity of ten rounds or less? What if the murderer had therefore had two pistols with ten round clips each when he arrived at Norris Hall?

The murderer killed thirty people at Norris Hall (he had killed two others elsewhere earlier the same day). We'll never know, of course, but how many of those thirty people might have lived if the murderer had been obliged to reload after every ten shots rather than after every fifteen? What are the increased chances that the murderer would have accidentally jammed the murder weapon in attempting to reload ten-shot clips?
 
2012-12-19 01:58:09 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.

Blame Obama.

Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.


Ah I get it, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with an insult until the people you are using it against figure it out. I'm sure all of the gay men loved to hear it used against other people.
 
2012-12-19 02:10:05 PM  

doglover: I hope he was skinned alive and left to die of sepsis.


"Thirty minutes after the initial attack, while conversing with the superintendent, he detonated the truck bomb, killing himself, the superintendent, and a few others."

You might have seen this had you actually read the article. He done blowed hisself up.
 
2012-12-19 02:11:14 PM  

sttngduck: StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.

 
Blame Obama.
 
Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.
 
Ah I get it, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with an insult until the people you are using it against figure it out. I'm sure all of the gay men loved to hear it used against other people.
 
 
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 02:16:07 PM  

PsiChick: Most of them. There are warning signs in hindsight, but the behaviors are so sudden that it looks like they're just having a few bad days. There's a theory floating around that it's linked to schizophrenia, and that's part of why. You really don't know beforehand.



so yah, that is the nut of the question. Do we currently have enough tools or information to ever predict, even possible, nutters. Or are we currently condemned to living with the infrequent nutter explosion.
BAH
 
and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.
 
2012-12-19 02:19:15 PM  

sttngduck: StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.

Blame Obama.

Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.

Ah I get it, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with an insult until the people you are using it against figure it out.


Now you're getting it, genius.
 
2012-12-19 02:25:13 PM  

tirob: L82DPRT: The current high score holder with a firearm, the Va Tech Piece Of Shait, used pistols and reloaded probably a dozen times. Short of confiscation, further restrictions will not work.


Well, let's see. The murderer arrived in Norris Hall with two pistols, one with a fifteen round magazine and one with a ten round magazine. He fired ~174 rounds there. If the only pistol he reloaded during his attack was the one with the fifteen round clip, he reloaded ~ten times.

The VA Tech murderer bought his weapons and ammo legally. What if a law had been in place at the time whereby it would have been legal to sell to the public only clips of a capacity of ten rounds or less? What if the murderer had therefore had two pistols with ten round clips each when he arrived at Norris Hall?

The murderer killed thirty people at Norris Hall (he had killed two others elsewhere earlier the same day). We'll never know, of course, but how many of those thirty people might have lived if the murderer had been obliged to reload after every ten shots rather than after every fifteen? What are the increased chances that the murderer would have accidentally jammed the murder weapon in attempting to reload ten-shot clips?


Difficult to know.
My theory is that people adapt to their limitations and its easier to count to ten (under stress) than it is to thirty.
Assuming they have the competence of an average shooter, they'd pace their attacks or alter their scheme to allow for reloading time.
It's what would allow for a killer like Charles Whitman to hit thirty people with weapons that had lower capacities (but more energy) in their era.

Details of the tool don't matter so much as heading off the attacker before he starts.
 
2012-12-19 02:29:25 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.

Blame Obama.

Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.

Ah I get it, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with an insult until the people you are using it against figure it out.

Now you're getting it, genius.


"I'm sure all of the gay men loved to hear it used against other people."

And by all indications you didn't.
 
2012-12-19 02:33:49 PM  

sttngduck: StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: StoPPeRmobile: sttngduck: So where's the part about him hanging his man-parts into another man's mouth?
When I hear that bigoted derogatory name for homosexuals I expect to read a story about it.

Blame Obama.

Oh and teabaggers didn't have a problem until it was pointed out.

Ah I get it, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with an insult until the people you are using it against figure it out.

Now you're getting it, genius.

"I'm sure all of the gay men loved to hear it used against other people."

And by all indications you didn't.


I think it's funny. Don't ever play FPS games cause you will be teabagged.
 
2012-12-19 02:35:29 PM  
Teabaggers have calmed down a bit since then right?

Oh I guess not.
 
2012-12-19 02:46:09 PM  

namatad: PsiChick: Most of them. There are warning signs in hindsight, but the behaviors are so sudden that it looks like they're just having a few bad days. There's a theory floating around that it's linked to schizophrenia, and that's part of why. You really don't know beforehand.


so yah, that is the nut of the question. Do we currently have enough tools or information to ever predict, even possible, nutters. Or are we currently condemned to living with the infrequent nutter explosion.
BAH
 
and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.



There should be. It's not like we can't diagnose sudden-onset disorders. It's just a question of how. I've proposed my own solution ad nauseum, though, so I'm sure we all know it. :p
 
/So that's what that is, I wondered...
 
2012-12-19 02:53:22 PM  

namatad: and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.


I found out how to disable it: myFark -> Preferences -> Comment Preferences -> uncheck "Enable modern rich text (WYSIWYG) editor for posting comments"...

/Seriously, that is the worst idea they've ever had!
 
2012-12-19 02:55:14 PM  

PsiChick: namatad: PsiChick: Most of them. There are warning signs in hindsight, but the behaviors are so sudden that it looks like they're just having a few bad days. There's a theory floating around that it's linked to schizophrenia, and that's part of why. You really don't know beforehand.


so yah, that is the nut of the question. Do we currently have enough tools or information to ever predict, even possible, nutters. Or are we currently condemned to living with the infrequent nutter explosion.
BAH
 
and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.


There should be. It's not like we can't diagnose sudden-onset disorders. It's just a question of how. I've proposed my own solution ad nauseum, though, so I'm sure we all know it. :p
 
/So that's what that is, I wondered...


If we got rid of all the "crazies" the bar would just be readjusted.
 
2012-12-19 03:00:07 PM  

namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.

no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.


... from your previous statement:


If I knew that he was making a hit list, boom, FBI. Unless he was planning on killing those rape-american GOP candidates, then I would wait until he was done to turn him in
.


Mutually exclusive. Either you have a problem with using violence against legally appointed/elected governmental officials for their political stances, or you don't.
 
2012-12-19 03:05:43 PM  
urban.derelict: Oh yeah, his father was a f*cking rich executive at GE -- That's 'General Electric,' as in 'General Electric Financial Services' as in "we're sofa king huge we don't advertise on TV"

/i can't begin to imagine what i'd do with 289K dollars -- and that biatch was getting it every year -- I wish I could see her brains blown out on her nice new bedspread while she fretted about the end of the farking civilized world -- fark you, honey


At the time of the divorce, Peter Lanza was making approximate 450,000 and paying for his sons' education, a car for Adama, and had generous visitation rights.

Basically, it boils down to: She had a very good divorce lawyer and he wanted her to go away rather than fight the crazy.
 
2012-12-19 03:07:37 PM  

Beaver Knievel: DrPainMD: FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.
 
 
Especially if you're also a cocaine smuggler.
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Citation.jpg
 
 
Here ya go.
 
2012-12-19 03:32:56 PM  

log_jammin: The only important viewpoint Stalin had was "Keep Stalin in power and living the good life" and you won't find any "leftists" who agree with that viewpoint.


And he sure as hell didn't "spread" any "wealth around", for fark's sake.

It's 100% Derp.
 
2012-12-19 03:40:03 PM  

RobSeace: namatad: and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.

I found out how to disable it: myFark -> Preferences -> Comment Preferences -> uncheck "Enable modern rich text (WYSIWYG) editor for posting comments"...

/Seriously, that is the worst idea they've ever had!


THANK YOU!
 
2012-12-19 03:45:08 PM  

urban.derelict: Oh yeah, his father was a f*cking rich executive at GE -- That's 'General Electric,' as in 'General Electric Financial Services' as in "we're sofa king huge we don't advertise on TV"

 
/i can't begin to imagine what i'd do with 289K dollars -- and that biatch was getting it every year -- I wish I could see her brains blown out on her nice new bedspread while she fretted about the end of the farking civilized world -- fark you, honey
 
 
There are some great advances in modern medicine these days that could probably help you.
Seek out a professional. Hopefully sooner then later.
 
2012-12-19 03:55:09 PM  

way south: tirob:
The VA Tech murderer bought his weapons and ammo legally. What if a law had been in place at the time whereby it would have been legal to sell to the public only clips of a capacity of ten rounds or less? What if the murderer had therefore had two pistols with ten round clips each when he arrived at Norris Hall?

The murderer killed thirty people at Norris Hall (he had killed two others elsewhere earlier the same day). We'll never know, of course, but how many of those thirty people might have lived if the murderer had been obliged to reload after every ten shots rather than after every fifteen? What are the increased chances that the murderer would have accidentally jammed the murder weapon in attempting to reload ten-shot clips?

Difficult to know.
My theory is that people adapt to their limitations and its easier to count to ten (under stress) than it is to thirty.
Assuming they have the competence of an average shooter, they'd pace their attacks or alter their scheme to allow for reloading time.
It's what would allow for a killer like Charles Whitman to hit thirty people with weapons that had lower capacities (but more energy) in their era.

Details of the tool don't matter so much as heading off the attacker before he starts.


1. I'll theorize that the VA Tech murderer didn't count the rounds as he fired them; rather, I would guess that he just fired until he emptied his clips and reloaded while holding off his victims with his spare pistol.

2. I'm all for heading off the attacker before he starts. Unfortunately, we can't always do that. The question in my mind then becomes, "how do we see to it that as few people as possible are killed the next time this happens?"

3. How many people do you think that Whitman would have killed if he'd had access to rifles that could take thirty round clips?

The large-capacity clips used in VA and CT were bought legally (the CT murderer stole them from his late mother). I for one don't think that a law that would limit the public to purchasing clips with a capacity of ten rounds or fewer would inconvenience law abiding firearms owners terribly. I *do* think such a law might have saved a few lives in VA and CT, and that it might save a few more lives in the future.
 
2012-12-19 03:58:35 PM  

amquelbettamin: They always kill themselves afterward. You can't explain that.


nah, the kid in aurora didnt
 
2012-12-19 04:00:44 PM  

tirob: 2. I'm all for heading off the attacker before he starts. Unfortunately, we can't always do that. The question in my mind then becomes, "how do we see to it that as few people as possible are killed the next time this happens?"


Well that requires thinking without emotion. We can't have any of that.
 
2012-12-19 04:03:13 PM  

david_gaithersburg: I'm simply quoting the facts from Wiki, I'm not sorry if they offend you.


He's not quibbling with your facts, just the poor conclusions you draw from them.

But that's pretty much your M.O. around these parts. I'm still trying to puzzle out whether you do it on purpose, or that your brain really operates that way. Sucks either way, I suppose.
 
2012-12-19 04:10:07 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Well that requires thinking without emotion. We can't have any of that.


Welcome to Fark
 
2012-12-19 04:13:04 PM  
And libs keep making fun of home schoolers. Guess what? Their children get to live.
 
2012-12-19 04:21:29 PM  

beta_plus: And libs keep making fun of home schoolers. Guess what? Their children get to live.


Hooray.
 
2012-12-19 04:29:32 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: RobSeace: namatad: and yah, I HATE the current comment interface. it is farking with chrome's ability to spellcheck/correct.

I found out how to disable it: myFark -> Preferences -> Comment Preferences -> uncheck "Enable modern rich text (WYSIWYG) editor for posting comments"...

/Seriously, that is the worst idea they've ever had!

THANK YOU!


thank you as well, it was also messing with Firefox... none of y'all wanna see me with out spell check.
 
2012-12-19 04:47:57 PM  

I drunk what: StoPPeRmobile: Well that requires thinking without emotion. We can't have any of that.

Welcome to Fark


www.mediaite.com
 
2012-12-19 05:20:10 PM  

beta_plus: And libs keep making fun of home schoolers. Guess what? Their children get to live.


Most of the time.

StoPPeRmobile: tirob: 2. I'm all for heading off the attacker before he starts. Unfortunately, we can't always do that. The question in my mind then becomes, "how do we see to it that as few people as possible are killed the next time this happens?"

Well that requires thinking without emotion. We can't have any of that.


The recent vast improvement in small arms technology, coupled with the homicidal tendencies present in some of us, drove me to it.
 
2012-12-19 05:33:01 PM  

ShannonKW: This means that if we wanted to reduce deaths by restricting access, we would have to take all the guns away from (.45 * 315) = 142 million people.


We can restrict access without taking one gun away from one person. Problem is, the big bad ebil gubmint won't talk to the benevolent, kind, just, mom and pop multinational gun corporations about, y'know, maybe not producing as many guns, seeing as the United States has enough guns for every adult to own one. And if they tried, cue "OBAMMER'S TAKIN ARE GUNZ!"
 
2012-12-19 05:33:48 PM  

elchupacabra: namatad: IlGreven: /People also bring up Timothy McVeigh. I hope they realize the difference between an elementary school and a federal building.

no
no there is no difference whatsoever and you go to hell and die for suggesting for one second that there is.

... from your previous statement:


If I knew that he was making a hit list, boom, FBI. Unless he was planning on killing those rape-american GOP candidates, then I would wait until he was done to turn him in.


Mutually exclusive. Either you have a problem with using violence against legally appointed/elected governmental officials for their political stances, or you don't.


...I'm pretty sure that first statement was sarcastic.
 
2012-12-19 05:36:25 PM  

LordJiro: Gun licenses should have strict requirements, including psychological screening and extensive safety training, and should need to be renewed every few years. No exceptions.


I think also a Hogan's Alley-type "fire under fire" course should also be administered...and make it as hard as the parallel parking/maneuverability tests that drivers have to take to score their license: Ex. 1 minute to shoot 10 bad guys, while not shooting any of the 20 good guys (the bad guys will have guns pointed at you). If you shoot 9 out of 10 bad guys in that time, you pass, unless you hit a good guy, in which case you fail.
 
2012-12-19 05:57:24 PM  

tirob: way south: tirob:
The VA Tech murderer bought his weapons and ammo legally. What if a law had been in place at the time whereby it would have been legal to sell to the public only clips of a capacity of ten rounds or less? What if the murderer had therefore had two pistols with ten round clips each when he arrived at Norris Hall?

The murderer killed thirty people at Norris Hall (he had killed two others elsewhere earlier the same day). We'll never know, of course, but how many of those thirty people might have lived if the murderer had been obliged to reload after every ten shots rather than after every fifteen? What are the increased chances that the murderer would have accidentally jammed the murder weapon in attempting to reload ten-shot clips?

Difficult to know.
My theory is that people adapt to their limitations and its easier to count to ten (under stress) than it is to thirty.
Assuming they have the competence of an average shooter, they'd pace their attacks or alter their scheme to allow for reloading time.
It's what would allow for a killer like Charles Whitman to hit thirty people with weapons that had lower capacities (but more energy) in their era.

Details of the tool don't matter so much as heading off the attacker before he starts.

1. I'll theorize that the VA Tech murderer didn't count the rounds as he fired them; rather, I would guess that he just fired until he emptied his clips and reloaded while holding off his victims with his spare pistol.

2. I'm all for heading off the attacker before he starts. Unfortunately, we can't always do that. The question in my mind then becomes, "how do we see to it that as few people as possible are killed the next time this happens?"

3. How many people do you think that Whitman would have killed if he'd had access to rifles that could take thirty round clips?

The large-capacity clips used in VA and CT were bought legally (the CT murderer stole them from his late mother). I for one don't think that a law ...


1&2: There was nothing unusually lethal about the guns cho had. One of them was a target pistol, the other a common handgun among cops and civilians.
Thirty round magazines are standard equipment in rifles. Trying to round up millions of unregistered plastic magazines that were purchased for fear of a new ban will probably prove futile. Removing them from the shops forces criminals to look in unthinkable places to find them... Like eBay or arms-list.
They will cost more money, but suicidal killers aren't above floating bad checks (see Whitman).

Your heart is in the right place but Gun control can only, at best, affect the choices in weaponry. It does nothing about the intent.
As long as the intent exists and the targets are undefended, you have a dangerous situation.

As for 3: I'll be controversial and say "same or fewer".
The ar-15 is less powerful than the Remington 700. It's military counterpart was designed for low weight and accuracy during rapid fire, not per-hit lethality. The garand whitman bought was designed to seriously maim or kill on one hit at out to a thousand yards. Armalite 223's can't do half that.

Whitman was unopposed in the tower for most of the time. He had multiple loaded rifles. Fumbling the reload or having a larger magazine would have changed nothing that he didn't prepare for.
A less powerful rifle would only have improved the chances of his victims.

...but, if he considered that, he might have chosen a different situation or method.
If he was restricted to ten round target pistols, he might have done like cho and snuck into a crowded building. With no guns, he might have been a mad bomber.

Right now we're playing little Dutch boy with the leaky dam of gun control and hoping it does something about rogue madmen.
What we need to do is get rid of the violent flood water.
 
2012-12-19 06:34:36 PM  

way south: 1&2: There was nothing unusually lethal about the guns cho had. One of them was a target pistol, the other a common handgun among cops and civilians.

One of his guns (the Walther if I am not mistaken) had a clip that held fifteen rounds. He bought both guns and ammo in legal purchases. I don't know whether a law limiting clips legal for sale to the public to ten rounds would have saved anyone in the VA Tech massacre (although I am inclined to think that such a law might have saved at least one or two people), but I think that such a law would be worth trying prospectively. I do *not* see how such a restriction would be an inconvenience to law abiding citizens.

As long as the intent exists and the targets are undefended, you have a dangerous situation.

What we need to do is get rid of the violent flood water.


Someone linked a satiric piece on this thread a couple of pages back about how deluded gun control advocates are. Maybe we are, but I am beginning to sense that the other side is at least as deluded.

1. There have always been homicidal maniacs among us. Do you have any reason to believe that we can somehow legislate homicidal mania out of existence? I do not.

2. As for defending targets, I prefer the customary police patrols and (in the case of college campuses) campus cops. I also don't think that most parents would want to send their kids to a kindergarten where the nice lady packs a Glock.

Right now we're playing little Dutch boy with the leaky dam of gun control and hoping it does something about rogue madmen.

Even one sandbag, if properly placed, can sometimes prevent a levee from failing.
 
2012-12-19 07:08:03 PM  

tirob: beta_plus: And libs keep making fun of home schoolers. Guess what? Their children get to live.

Most of the time.

StoPPeRmobile: tirob: 2. I'm all for heading off the attacker before he starts. Unfortunately, we can't always do that. The question in my mind then becomes, "how do we see to it that as few people as possible are killed the next time this happens?"

Well that requires thinking without emotion. We can't have any of that.

The recent vast improvement in small arms technology, coupled with the homicidal tendencies present in some of us, drove me to it.


How about this? What do the cops and rich people do when they see a "new" threat?
 
2012-12-19 07:35:10 PM  

tirob: Even one sandbag, if properly placed, can sometimes prevent a levee from failing.


Its another temporary plug on a tide that isn't fallen. The question is what do you plan to do after the next incident?
If the answer is more gun control, I can tell you its not going to work out the way you expect.

I live in the US virgin islands and we have approached almost British levels of gun control. All firearms must be licensed and approved by the police chief himself. Strict limitations on calibers and types. You must pass multiple background checks and be in a club (and vouched for) to be approved for a rifle. You can only purchase calibers on your license. There is no CCW without express approval from the police (with limited hours of the day that you can be armed).

We also have a murder rate of 50 per 100k (not a typo), which is the highest under the US flag so far as I'm aware of.
The second highest goes to Puerto Rico, which has even more harsh restrictions on firearms.

So let me just say that I've seen the future, and it sucks for gun owners and non owners alike.
 
2012-12-19 08:03:31 PM  

way south: tirob: Even one sandbag, if properly placed, can sometimes prevent a levee from failing.

Its another temporary plug on a tide that isn't fallen. The question is what do you plan to do after the next incident?
If the answer is more gun control, I can tell you its not going to work out the way you expect.

I live in the US virgin islands and we have approached almost British levels of gun control. All firearms must be licensed and approved by the police chief himself. Strict limitations on calibers and types. You must pass multiple background checks and be in a club (and vouched for) to be approved for a rifle. You can only purchase calibers on your license. There is no CCW without express approval from the police (with limited hours of the day that you can be armed).

We also have a murder rate of 50 per 100k (not a typo), which is the highest under the US flag so far as I'm aware of.
The second highest goes to Puerto Rico, which has even more harsh restrictions on firearms.

So let me just say that I've seen the future, and it sucks for gun owners and non owners alike.


www.gunpundit.com
 
2012-12-19 08:24:34 PM  

ShannonKW: GratuityIncluded: This is outrageous! How can this happen when it is illegal to kill people with dynamite!?

How does it happen? Not very often. Certainly, not as often as shootings happen. One suspects that this is in large part due to the fact that it is much easier to get a gun than dynamite.

I also think that this would happen more often if an ordinary citizen could just tool over to AmmuNation and buy a bundle of explosives with as little fuss as a shotgun. Indeed, if dynamite ownership were as were as widespread as firearm ownership, I'd expect to hear a lot more explosions around town. What about you?

It's not all bad. Legalized dynamite would reduce the number of shootings. You could even truthfully say that one of the reasons why we have so many shootings is that we've made it so hard to buy explosives.


Adam Lanza had as much luck purchasing a gun as he would have trying to purchase dynamite. The laws worked. Maybe if we snapped our fingers and just erased all firearms from existence - that's where I would start in fairyland.
 
2012-12-19 09:14:45 PM  

way south: tirob: Even one sandbag, if properly placed, can sometimes prevent a levee from failing.

Its another temporary plug on a tide that isn't fallen. The question is what do you plan to do after the next incident?
If the answer is more gun control, I can tell you its not going to work out the way you expect.


I think that the question is what we should do after *this* "incident."

What I expect is that, given the human propensity to kill people, someone will sooner or later try to murder a bunch of innocent kids again. And I am willing to try out a few new gun laws and regulations--none of which would be nearly as strict as the ones you enumerated in your post--in an effort to put that day off for as long as possible.
 
2012-12-19 09:57:05 PM  

tirob: way south: tirob: Even one sandbag, if properly placed, can sometimes prevent a levee from failing.

Its another temporary plug on a tide that isn't fallen. The question is what do you plan to do after the next incident?
If the answer is more gun control, I can tell you its not going to work out the way you expect.


I think that the question is what we should do after *this* "incident."

What I expect is that, given the human propensity to kill people, someone will sooner or later try to murder a bunch of innocent kids again. And I am willing to try out a few new gun laws and regulations--none of which would be nearly as strict as the ones you enumerated in your post--in an effort to put that day off for as long as possible.


With respect, how does that work?
Its just buying time for the right tragedy to empower the next ban.

Decades of in the box thinking brought this territory to the brick wall we face now.
All the politicians say these days is "We'll try harder to fight crime"... but they ran out of ideas.
 
2012-12-19 10:44:03 PM  

way south:

I think that the question is what we should do after *this* "incident."

What I expect is that, given the human propensity to kill people, someone will sooner or later try to murder a bunch of innocent kids again. And I am willing to try out a few new gun laws and regulations--none of which would be nearly as strict as the ones you enumerated in your post--in an effort to put that day off for as long as possible.

With respect, how does that work?
Its just buying time for the right tragedy to empower the next ban.

Exactly.

That's all any gun regulation (e.g. limiting the size of clips, waiting periods) does. Buy time.

I have read in several sources that the Newtown murderer tried to buy a rifle several days before the mass shooting he perpetrated, but that the man behind the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods declined to do business with him after the murderer-to-be said that he didn't want to sit out the waiting period mandated by law. Sounds to me as if that store clerk may have extended the lives of twenty-seven people by two or three days. It's better than nothing.

Maybe a law limiting the size of clips will force the next would-be mass murderer to jungle tape ten-cartridge clips to each other instead of thirty-cartridge clips the way the Newtown killer did, forcing him to fumble around in his pockets for a few seconds after every twenty shots instead of after every sixty. The resulting delay might just prevent him from taking a life or two before the cops get to the murder scene. Let's try it.
 
2012-12-19 10:44:08 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: beta_plus: And libs keep making fun of home schoolers. Guess what? Their children get to live.

Hooray.


Too bad thanks to Kennedy we couldn't throw him in an insane asylum but you do what you can do.
 
2012-12-19 10:45:58 PM  

tirob: way south:

I think that the question is what we should do after *this* "incident."

What I expect is that, given the human propensity to kill people, someone will sooner or later try to murder a bunch of innocent kids again. And I am willing to try out a few new gun laws and regulations--none of which would be nearly as strict as the ones you enumerated in your post--in an effort to put that day off for as long as possible.

With respect, how does that work?
Its just buying time for the right tragedy to empower the next ban.

Exactly.

That's all any gun regulation (e.g. limiting the size of clips, waiting periods) does. Buy time.

I have read in several sources that the Newtown murderer tried to buy a rifle several days before the mass shooting he perpetrated, but that the man behind the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods declined to do business with him after the murderer-to-be said that he didn't want to sit out the waiting period mandated by law. Sounds to me as if that store clerk may have extended the lives of twenty-seven people by two or three days. It's better than nothing.

Maybe a law limiting the size of clips will force the next would-be mass murderer to jungle tape ten-cartridge clips to each other instead of thirty-cartridge clips the way the Newtown killer did, forcing him to fumble around in his pockets for a few seconds after every twenty shots instead of after every sixty. The resulting delay might just prevent him from taking a life or two before the cops get to the murder scene. Let's try it.


Don't forget the New York reload.
 
2012-12-19 11:11:39 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: tirob:

Don't forget the New York reload.


Even that is less efficient with pistols containing ten-round cartridges as opposed to pistols (such as the Walther that the VA Tech murderer used) containing fifteen round cartridges.
 
2012-12-20 03:10:25 AM  

WelldeadLink: FlashHarry: jeez, what a psycho. today, they'd give him a prime-time fox show.

[i.imgur.com image 640x459]


Foxes are beautiful animals.

urban.derelict: brain


Me too. They should have used Mrs. Lanza's dead corpse as a holiday pinata.

/Stupid crazy biatch with a ton of alimony money prepping for the end of the world.
 
2012-12-20 02:39:40 PM  
mc_madness:/Stupid crazy biatch with a ton of alimony money prepping for the end of the world.

Well then, you'll be happy to know she was shot four times in the face.

/malevolent little twerp
 
2012-12-20 04:16:29 PM  

MythDragon: But yet dynamite is still avaliable for ANYONE with a permit. Why? Dynamite should only be in the hands of law enforcement and military. It was never ment for civilian use.


Movie sets and other productions, chemical labs, and pyrotechnics.
 
2012-12-20 04:56:49 PM  

Tenatra: Cataholic: ShannonKW: I'll try to contribute something like a respectable idea: I think that impeding access to weapons reduces crimes committed with those weapons

But you are still faced with the problem that those people wanting to commit those crimes still want to commit those crimes. They will just find other weapons. You can keep trying to take away the various weapons they would use, or you can try to figure out why they want to commit the crimes and fix that. One may easier than the other.

I remember going to TOTSE when I was younger. There was plenty of documentation on bomb creation and tons of other crap.


Is that site still around? I remember going there too.
 
2012-12-20 05:29:21 PM  
Sherman Potter:
/malevolent little twerp

You're referring to her demon spawn, right?
 
2012-12-20 06:21:11 PM  

thamike: Sherman Potter:
/malevolent little twerp

You're referring to her demon spawn, right?


No.
 
2012-12-20 06:36:32 PM  

shortymac: Is that site still around? I remember going there too.


Nah apparently it shutdown in 2009 but you can still see the archive of it here at Zoklet.net . I've never looked around Zoklet (or even heard of it before) but I just checked out the forums and it seems rather lively over there
 
2012-12-20 06:50:32 PM  
^ actually upon further inspection it isn't nearly as lively as I thought but there are still some people there.
 
2012-12-20 10:34:04 PM  
It happened 85 years ago so that's worth about 200 kids by today's standards.
 
2012-12-21 05:29:59 AM  

Sherman Potter: thamike: Sherman Potter:
/malevolent little twerp

You're referring to her demon spawn, right?

No.


So, who?  Who is the malevolent little twerp-- the psycho child-killer, the crazy b*tch that molded him into an antisocial, codependent, bug eyed hate-stick, or the person on the internet who pointed that out?
 
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