rocky_howard: NAah, you're the one who's been on everyone's case. Just look at the amount of times you've posted.
rocky_howard: and regardless of your later numbers, stock has zero to do with usage, so cry all you want, that was a false statement.
gingerjet: revrendjim: Yeah, sorry, I already uninstalled Instagram and won't be looking back. Relevant. /false outrage is false
gweilo8888: CruJones: Netflix uses 30% of the intertubes. That's a lot of tubes. It's possible they can lose revenue, but gain profit. Replacing a less profitable but higher revenue generating product with a cheaper but more profitable one can be frowned upon by Wall Street, regardless of long term outlook. Netflix will be fine.Fine my ass. They're having to fight to prevent a hostile takeover from the same man who killed Blockbuster.Those 30% of the intertubes? (Can't be bothered checking the validity of your claimed number; let's pretend it's true.) They're pretty damned expensive. They're weaning customers off a profitable business with a great selection, and putting them onto a business that was only sustainable in the first place because the subscriber numbers were so low when they signed their first round of contracts with movie studios. Each time they renegotiate on a contract expiration, they're having to piss away significantly more money because of all those subscribers they've got now, so the cost of streaming to Netflix is increasing exponentially, yet the selection is far, far worse for customers than what was available to them on DVD.(I am among the many customers who cancelled Netflix altogether because their Watch Instantly selection was so bad and not remotely worth what I was expected to pay for it, yet they clearly have no interest in their DVD customers any more either. To whit: they aren't bothering to replace their damaged discs, and have actually started sending the same broken discs out over and over even after they're reported broken. I've gotten back the very same disc I reported faulty previously, with the exact same fault in the same place, so I know that to be a fact.)
gweilo8888: So you're just going to ignore the data that proved you wrong, then. OK. Cool. I know where we stand. You're a troll.
gweilo8888: On the other side of the coin, they're bleeding DVD subscribers like there's no tomorrow, and are down to just 8.61 million.)
CruJones: They don't want the DVD business anymore, they know its the past. Would it help if I told you they are building their own CDN, and cut what they currently spend with Akamai in half? And that they are looking at open source cloud platforms to slice licensing (and Amazon) costs as well. They aren't going anywhere soon. They actually have a pretty good strategic IT plan, which is pretty much their entire business now. Warehouses and shipping departments eliminated. It makes sense.
rocky_howard: gweilo8888: So you're just going to ignore the data that proved you wrong, then. OK. Cool. I know where we stand. You're a troll.No, those numbers didn't prove your theory of "massive exodus". Yes, it affected Netflix. No, it doesn't mean the service is even close to being in danger. Like the other guy said FALSE OUTRAGE IS FALSE.
moothemagiccow: gweilo8888: On the other side of the coin, they're bleeding DVD subscribers like there's no tomorrow, and are down to just 8.61 million.)As popular as it was, the DVD system sucks. I only enjoyed it when I copied the disc, sent it back, and watched later at my leisure. Getting one or two discs and having to watch all of it before you send it back is lame.Schlepping your ass to the grocery or corner store is a tolerable alternative but I'm back to just stealing everything that's not on streaming.
gweilo8888: Losing one in 29 of ALL of your customers in a single quarter (largely, in a single month) is not a huge exodus?What do they have to do, lose every single customer in one go, and a few hundred million customers they didn't even have?You're funny.
sugardave: gweilo8888: Losing one in 29 of ALL of your customers in a single quarter (largely, in a single month) is not a huge exodus?What do they have to do, lose every single customer in one go, and a few hundred million customers they didn't even have?You're funny.That equates to a WHOPPING 3.44% of their customers.
Minimum: I'd quit, but I never joined in the first place.
CruJones: Someone post the Nickleback Instagram song. It's awesome./let me get this duck...
legendary: If you have continual quarters of customer growth and you backtrack and LOSE customers that is a back quarter to Wall Street and will reduce the overall value of your company. Not sure how anyone who knows anything about financial projection/analysis is denying this.But I may have answered my own question.
GreenAdder: Instagram and Facebook have to have these clauses in their TOS for a reason. You're basically giving them permission to exhibit the things you upload. "But isn't that sort of implicit?" Yes. For most people with a frontal lobe who aren't sue-happy, it's pretty obvious. If you post a picture on Instagram, then Instagram will make it available for others to see. That's what the website does. But there are people who either have no comprehension or think they're crafty. And these people would just love to sue Facebook or Instagram for big dollar amounts. They'll say to a judge and/or jury, "when I uploaded a picture of my totally fair trade organic gluten-free couscous sandwich, I didn't realize anyone else would be able to see it. I want a jillion dollars." The TOS prevents this sort of rubbish from happening. If you don't like it, don't use Instagram. I seem to have gotten along quite well without an Instagram account, and I'm still breathing. This whole "they're stealing our content" hogwash was stupid back when people freaked out over Geocities having a similar clause.
rocky_howard: You're missing the point. Nobody's talking about stock value price, which is meaningless, but usage, usage, usage. People that use the product.
Coco LaFemme: I never used Instagram because I don't have an iPhone, so........yeah. I get that when you put stuff online it's out there for the public consumption, but that doesn't mean I think it's okay for some 3rd party to make money off that.
Rosinal: Every pic you takeEvery post you makeEverything you likeAll your friends in sightFacebook's using youEvery smiling friendYou post on InstagramWon't belong to youNothing you can doFacebook's using youOh can't you seeThey know you and meCan match your name to a face, that can be accessed anyplaceAnd maybe just next yearWhatever shop you nearCameras ID youTo further market toFacebook now owns 'you'Since it came the net is a worse spaceIf I share I feel like I'll be tracedThe buttons and the "like us" pleas disgraceThe thoughtful words that they replacedI just can't not feel paranoidYou own nothing hereIt couldn't be more clearInstead of getting meanYou feed the machineThe one that's using you-© 2012 Facebookvia Rosinal McDonald
pxlboy: Carth: Camera ZOOM FX is a much better app and Flickr is a better place to share photos. Sorry instagram there is no reason to go back.Have you tried Vignette?
1000 Ways to Dye: revrendjim: Yeah, sorry, I already uninstalled Instagram and won't be looking back.I hope you're not on Facebook, because the Terms & Conditions also allow them to use your public content in any way they see fit.Same with most sites that allow user-hosted content for free.
Carth: pxlboy: Carth: Camera ZOOM FX is a much better app and Flickr is a better place to share photos. Sorry instagram there is no reason to go back.Have you tried Vignette?I haven't, but it looks like it is worth a try. Thanks for the recommendation.
Carth: Camera ZOOM FX is a much better app and Flickr is a better place to share photos. Sorry instagram there is no reason to go back.
revrendjim: Yeah, sorry, I already uninstalled Instagram and won't be looking back.
gweilo8888: You're missing the point: we've all worked out you're a troll and would continue to deny the obvious truth even if it ran up to you and punched you in the face.
rocky_howard: Who's "we"? The only one crying troll left and right to everybody is you.Grow up, kid.
gweilo8888: The only person who's been called a troll is you. And while I'm the only one who's called you out on it, I'm not the only one who's pointed out that you have no idea what you're talking about.
gweilo8888: sugardave: gweilo8888: Losing one in 29 of ALL of your customers in a single quarter (largely, in a single month) is not a huge exodus?What do they have to do, lose every single customer in one go, and a few hundred million customers they didn't even have?You're funny.That equates to a WHOPPING 3.44% of their customers.You fail at math. And reading. And... well, everything, really.It was 3.25%, as I clearly stated earlier. And while you clearly have a huge boner for Reed Hastings, that was a pretty catastropic fail. Losing close to a million customers by their own admission (and quite likely even more, in the real world) in the space of a few weeks is just unbelievably poor management.
sugardave: I divided 1 by 29 and got 0.03448275862068965517241379310345....so you're right, I guess. I failed to round up to 3.45%
gweilo8888: sugardave: I divided 1 by 29 and got 0.03448275862068965517241379310345....so you're right, I guess. I failed to round up to 3.45%Ummm.... the 1 in 29 was a vague approximation of the actual numbers, which I linked to and used in the real calculation of 3.25%."By their own admission, they lost 3.25% of their then-total userbase in a single quarter, or some 800,000 users."So no, 3.44% is not correct.
sugardave: So, you gave the wrong ratio of 1 in 29, which I used to make my equation....but I'm the one who is wrong. Okay. It's really unimportant, is it not, except for you to be right and someone else wrong? Gold star for you!
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