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2012-12-19 02:55:08 AM

robohobo: FuryOfFirestorm: Fano: FuryOfFirestorm: Looks like Joe Quesada wasn't done taking a dump on Spider-Man. Now he's determined to piss off the fans that still stuck around after One More Day.

Is DC paying Joey Cheese under the table to sabotage the competition, or is he just an asshole?

Wat? I've been told repeatedly that the stories after One New Day were some of the best ever*

Is that not correct? I only dipped in, saw things like female Kraven, Jackpot, Mayor Jameson, and shrugged. Oh, also female Hobgoblin. Has there been distaff Vulture, Rhino or Fancy Dan? Perhaps they can do them with different ethnicities or something.

To be fair, the stories post-OMD are good to great. That's not what made OMD so bad. It was because the plot holes it created just so that Joey Cheese could make Peter single again, when he could have just have Peter and MJ divorce or kill her off. Instead, he has Spider-Man make a deal with Mephisto to save his dying Aunt's life by erasing Pete's marriage to MJ from history. Funny how that nobody else in the Marvel Universe could cure an old woman of a bullet wound, huh?

In Mephisto's defense, MJ has always been a shallow, skanky partygirl.He was doing Pete a favor.

Gwendy was perfection. Fark JMS and his Normie story.


To be fair, MJ matured a lot after she married Pete. That, and Mephisto only altered their marriage, he didn't change history to prevent Gwen's death, so she was still dead after Mephisto "erased" Pete's marriage.

As for JMS's "Norman Osbourne knocked Gwen up" story, he originally planned for Peter to be the dad. But guess who told him to change the daddy to Norman?

JMS also wanted to bring back Gwen as a result of OMD, but guess who put the kibosh on that too?
 
2012-12-19 08:32:56 AM
<p><b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7492838/81377991#c81377991" target="_blank">moothemagiccow</a>:</b> <i>What about Jor-El, Martha and Thomas Wayne, and the Castle family?</i></p>

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<p>Don't forget Captain Mar-Vell.</p>

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2012-12-19 08:36:35 AM
Also, now that I think about it, my roommate's gonna be pissed.  Kill off Peter in 616 and she DOESN'T get Miles Morales (the only non-asshole in Ultimates)?
 
2012-12-19 09:00:10 AM
They could take the opportunity to have Octo-Spidey really struggle with becoming a better man until he genuinely is a superior Spider-Man (and perhaps has sired little May and Ben Parker with MJ. Maybe also grown a goatee), only to have Mephisto come and eff with him by undoing the arrangement he had with Peter, thereby undoing all the intervening continuity.

Peter's secret identity was already being restored when OMD happened; the Iron Spiders (clones of MVP) showed up and "outed" him as having been one of them but no longer on the team, so he could have gone back to some degree of anonymity.
 
2012-12-19 11:27:17 AM
It seems like a pretty dumb ending to me but I suppose it all depends on how they play it out in future issues. There are a lot of times I wish comic book writers could just simply start over with a new timeline instead of doing crazy crap. I suppose it doesn't matter anyways as in a little while peter will be back from the dead somehow.
 
2012-12-19 05:13:15 PM

Wolf892: I can't get into spiderman. Of all the comic book characters I find him the most depressing. He's poor, has a poor old aunt, life keeps crapping on him and he just keeps taking it. He's so into passively. Accepting of his misery that it seems likely a fetish.
What's worse is that he could use his powers to make peters life better without ruining his moral code.
So depressing.


2/10

You obviously haven't been reading Spidey lately. He has a job with a think-tank that pays him great money (plus a % of the profits from his inventions), gives him access to rare and hard to find technology, fulfills him intellectually, and his boss gives Pete a lot of leeway to come and go because he likes him and thinks that Peter makes Spider-Man's tech.

His aunt got married to Jameson's dad (who is surprisingly not a dick like his son) and moved to another state.

His life has been more awesome now that he's also a full fledged member of the Fantastic Four and The Avengers.

The only negative is that his girlfriend Carly dumped him because she figured out he was Spider-Man and was mad at Peter for lying to her about it. (Peter unwittingly weakened Dr. Strange's identity concealing spell enough to let his girlfriend finally connect the dots, which the spell was preventing).
 
2012-12-20 01:41:03 PM

Lodger: Empty Matchbook: This actually sounds like a pretty cool idea, and yeah, I really don't get why people are SOOO bent out of shape about something that's going to be reversed in 2-3 years...

I don't get why people don't get why, even after it's explained.

Personally, I don't think it's such a cool idea, which is what I'm hearing. Yes, LOTS of comic series get some big ol' change like this, but many times it's just a bad gimmick. Electric Superman? Powerless Wonder Woman? Multiple-origin Wolverine?

I remember when some readers were up in arms about the change to the Black/Symbiote costume, but the writers really made it work, and it's had a lasting impact on the universe. How many gimmicks are forgotten, if not despised, years later?

Fine, it's just temporary, but in 2 - 3 years, that could make a reader go from 20 to 23 years old, and not be able to read about a particular character.


Have you read the issues leading up to it? How about the issue itself? If not, I'm not sure you're qualified to say whether or not the writer is "making it work." Considering this was the guy who pulled Spidey out of a death spiral after One More Day, let's have a little faith. Also: are 23 year olds not allowed to read Spider-Man? I don't get your meaning...
 
2012-12-20 01:47:49 PM

Rwa2play: Also: I seriously doubt sales will tank, the only time that ACTUALLY happened was after the horrific One More Day storyline. Remember when fanboys were going to boycott the entirety of DC's New 52 line and it went on to sell better than any titles in the past few years?

And at the moment they're sitting right were they were before Flashpoint/DCnU. So while they may've gotten a boost in the short term, they've gone back to square one.


Thank you for linking back to my own quote...and also thanks for making my point for me: they got a boost and now they're back to where they were. IE: NO ONE ACTUALLY BOYCOTTED.

robohobo: Fano: FuryOfFirestorm: Looks like Joe Quesada wasn't done taking a dump on Spider-Man. Now he's determined to piss off the fans that still stuck around after One More Day.

Is DC paying Joey Cheese under the table to sabotage the competition, or is he just an asshole?

Wat? I've been told repeatedly that the stories after One New Day were some of the best ever*

Is that not correct? I only dipped in, saw things like female Kraven, Jackpot, Mayor Jameson, and shrugged. Oh, also female Hobgoblin. Has there been distaff Vulture, Rhino or Fancy Dan? Perhaps they can do them with different ethnicities or something.

lol, and there you have it. Marvel's 'greatest' ideas of late have been swapping genders and ethnicities. It's been a pretty farking pathetic grab for market share in the name of 'diversity'.. They aren't gaining new readers, they're just alienating the ones they already had. Not that DC isn't guilty, although less so, of the same thing.

/I'm looking at you, Alan Scott


Haw! Spoken like someone who reads headlines, not comics. I love whenever a character who isn't a white heterosexual male is introduced, no matter the quality of the writing or character, there's always a group of over-represented privileged types who cry "DIVERSITY HIRE!!" Yeah, Alan Scott was REALLY a classic character DEFINED by his heterosexuality before DC's reboot.
 
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