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(The Citizen)   Swedish woman wants to sue The Hobbit as a dwarf stole her precious name   (thelocal.se) divider line 65
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2012-12-18 08:22:23 PM  
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Lawsuit. 
 
2012-12-18 08:30:03 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com 
 
2012-12-18 09:24:26 PM  
It's always the converts who shout the loudest.
 
2012-12-18 10:17:48 PM  
She's not suing The Hobbit.  That would be silly.
 
2012-12-18 10:19:10 PM  
I am the true Torin Ekeksjold, queen under the mountain. I HAVE RETURNED.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:12 PM  
Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

For her next trick, she'll move next to an airport and demand they stop flying planes.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:48 PM  

Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

For her next trick, she'll move next to an airport and demand they stop flying planes.


Her name is not of troll make. It must have been stolen.
 
2012-12-18 10:22:39 PM  
TFA: a name far too similar to her own according to the 68-year-old Katerineholm resident 
 
Get off my lawn!
 
/unless she can prove she owns rights to the surname, yeah, good luck with that
 
2012-12-18 10:25:13 PM  
Crazy people happen.

I have a right to not be offended! They should have at least called me! I am that important.
 
2012-12-18 10:32:06 PM  

snuff3r: TFA: a name far too similar to her own according to the 68-year-old Katerineholm resident 
 
Get off my lawn!
 
/unless she can prove she owns rights to the surname, yeah, good luck with that


you know how I know you didn't RTFA?


According to Klockby, the translation actually appeared as early as 1947 when the book was first released in Swedish. Furthermore, he claimed the woman is not even a true Ekenskjöld.

"We found out that this woman wasn't originally named Ekenskjöld - she just made it her name ten years or so ago," he told The Local.
 
2012-12-18 10:33:52 PM  

Fano: Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

For her next trick, she'll move next to an airport and demand they stop flying planes.

Her name is not of troll make. It must have been stolen.


I say we should expose her to sunlight and see if she turns to stone.
 
2012-12-18 10:44:05 PM  

RatMaster999: Fano: Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

For her next trick, she'll move next to an airport and demand they stop flying planes.

Her name is not of troll make. It must have been stolen.

I say we should expose her to sunlight and see if she turns to stone.


Be sure to check her for the lair key first.
 
2012-12-18 10:44:22 PM  
How Tricksy they are precious.... yes....
 
2012-12-18 10:50:47 PM  
Sweden sucks. Legal protection for unique surnames? What kind of kindergarten shiat is this. fark Europe.
 
2012-12-18 10:55:26 PM  
"We found out that this woman wasn't originally named Ekenskjöld - she just made it her name ten years or so ago,"


So around the time when the LOTR movies were making astronomical amounts of money and talk of a Hobbit prequel film was gaining traction, this woman just happens to change her name to one litigiously similar to one of the man characters of that book.


Doesn't sound like a cash grab at all.
 
2012-12-18 10:57:57 PM  
A million Jesuses are about to sue the Catholic church into bankruptcy.
 
2012-12-18 10:59:25 PM  

whither_apophis: A million Jesuses are about to sue the Catholic church into bankruptcy.


Well that's like, your opinion man.
 
2012-12-18 11:00:17 PM  
"I want them to take away the name from the subtitles but I can't afford to go up against the big guys. But even if you're small and insignificant, you still have your rights," she said.

Not really much of a noble now, is she?
 
2012-12-18 11:06:18 PM  

Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

For her next trick, she'll move next to an airport and demand they stop flying planes.



Sadly these same people buy condos next to drag strips (The racing kind, not the Ru Paul kind) and then get the only safe areas to race closed down, forcing people onto the street.
 
2012-12-18 11:17:28 PM  

Fano: I am the true TorinTrollin Ekeksjold, queen under the mountain. I HAVE RETURNED.

 
2012-12-18 11:19:43 PM  
From the comments:

18:02 December 18, 2012 by RobinHood
Go for it Mrs Ekenskjöld. I sued both Russel Crowe and Kevin Costner, and now I am a very rich man.


Stealing from the rich...
 
2012-12-18 11:27:24 PM  
The first translation was completed in 1947 by Tore Zetterholm and was titled Hompen eller En resa dit och tillbaks igen however Tolkien, who had a keen interest in Scandinavian languages, didn't like the translation and considered it to have been too liberal.

That's so Tolkien!
 
2012-12-18 11:30:51 PM  
Wait, we can do this? Im suing Ashton Kutcher.
 
2012-12-18 11:44:18 PM  
I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names
 
2012-12-18 11:55:16 PM  

dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names


The name is Oakenshield so they translated the name literally. Sort of like the German Schmidt becoming Smith in English.
 
2012-12-18 11:56:42 PM  
I wonder if there's some reason she isn't suing the publisher of the books or Tolkein's estate. Not enough money potential, or too many legal steps involved?
 
2012-12-18 11:57:32 PM  

dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names


*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven name.
 
Middle-Earth is bascially linguist porn.
 
2012-12-19 12:04:54 AM  

Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven name.
 
Middle-Earth is bascially linguist porn.


well Tolkien was a linguist.
 
2012-12-19 12:08:34 AM  
Oh thank god, they have ridiculous dumbshiats in Sweden too. Sometimes it feels like those damn Scandinavians are perfect. It's nice to be reminded every once in awhile that they can be clueless dumbfarks too.
 
2012-12-19 12:14:07 AM  

Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.


Since the book was published in 1937, and she was born in 1944, it wouldn't even matter if it were her birth name.

Also, I am pretty sure you can't copyright names.
 
2012-12-19 12:16:02 AM  

Girion47: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven name.
 
Middle-Earth is bascially linguist porn.

well Tolkien was a linguist.

 
 
I swear the first farker that mentions the word "cunning" is going to be fed to the goblin king.
 
 
2012-12-19 12:21:33 AM  

Girion47: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven name.
 
Middle-Earth is bascially linguist porn.

well Tolkien was a linguist.


At that, he was a ...

rassleholic: I swear the first farker that mentions the word "cunning" is going to be fed to the goblin king.


Fine. whatever.
 
2012-12-19 12:22:41 AM  

Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.


Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.
 
2012-12-19 12:31:04 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: Sim Tree: Wait, so she changes her name to X, then complains that a dwarf already had the name she's just changed it to. SINCE 1957.

Since the book was published in 1937, and she was born in 1944, it wouldn't even matter if it were her birth name.

Also, I am pretty sure you can't copyright names.


Apparently in Sweden there are "noble" names that are protected.
 
2012-12-19 12:38:59 AM  
True courage is about knowing not when to sue someone, but when to spare them.
 
2012-12-19 12:52:08 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.

Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.



So Tolkien stole that from the fremen in Frank Herbert's Dune novel?
 
2012-12-19 12:55:07 AM  
Litigious trolls are what Bilbo Baggins hates.

/I am not ashamed that I sung along to that in the theaters
 
2012-12-19 12:56:26 AM  

HotWingAgenda: common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.

Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.


So Tolkien stole that from the fremen in Frank Herbert's Dune novel?



Other way around.
 
2012-12-19 12:57:37 AM  

HotWingAgenda: common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.

Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.


So Tolkien stole that from the fremen in Frank Herbert's Dune novel?


No, I'm pretty sure Herbert stole it from J.K. Rowling.
 
2012-12-19 01:03:30 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

 
*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.

 
Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.
 
 
Hence why he goes by the Westron version (which may or may not have the same meaning in Khuzdul, I can't remember offhand).
 
2012-12-19 01:07:47 AM  

Bondith: common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names
 
*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.
 
Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.
 
 
Hence why he goes by the Westron version (which may or may not have the same meaning in Khuzdul, I can't remember offhand).


Speaking of Khuzdul, I want to know what Bifur said to Gandalf. Guess I'll have to wait until the commentaries.
 
2012-12-19 01:13:10 AM  

Bondith: common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names
 
*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.
 
Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.
 
 
Hence why he goes by the Westron version (which may or may not have the same meaning in Khuzdul, I can't remember offhand).



Tolkien doesn't specify either way, just that their true names are never revealed. Since the dwarven language is secret as well, there's no way to tell.
 
2012-12-19 01:31:21 AM  

fusillade762: She's not suing The Hobbit.  That would be silly.


Yeah, it would be silly. She should wait until the third movie is out, he'll have all of his gold and silver back to Bag End by then.
 
2012-12-19 01:39:09 AM  

dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names


I suppose the names were already translated decades ago and they wanted to keep it the same. Forgive me if I'm wrong
 
2012-12-19 01:42:07 AM  
FTA:
The Hobbit, first published in 1937, has been translated into Swedish three times, most recently in 2007 by Erik Andersson.

Oh yea that narrows it down. Erik Anderson is like the John Smith of Sweden.
 
2012-12-19 02:29:24 AM  

ClintonKun: HotWingAgenda: common sense is an oxymoron: Bondith: dennysgod: I don't get it, I didn't think you translated proper names

*nerd more ON*
Technically, "Thorin Oakenshield" is Tolkien representing with real-world equilvalents the Westron translation of his true Dwarven "public" name.

Dwarves never reveal their true names to nondwarves.


So Tolkien stole that from the fremen in Frank Herbert's Dune novel?

No, I'm pretty sure Herbert stole it from J.K. Rowling.


They all stole it from the Pinis.
 
2012-12-19 03:09:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I wonder if there's some reason she isn't suing the publisher of the books or Tolkein's estate. Not enough money potential, or too many legal steps involved?

 
 
They're not the ones responsible for the translation.
 
2012-12-19 03:11:23 AM  

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: I wonder if there's some reason she isn't suing the publisher of the books or Tolkein's estate. Not enough money potential, or too many legal steps involved?
 
 
They're not the ones responsible for the translation.



....Tolkein isn't responsible for translating his own book from Dwarvish into English....?....
 
It should get even better when someone translates the movie into Klingon.
 
2012-12-19 03:18:52 AM  
THE HOBBIT: The Tale of Dildo Daggins
 
2012-12-19 03:23:15 AM  
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