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2012-12-18 05:21:04 PM
The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.
 
2012-12-18 05:21:54 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.


Well, that's just common sense.
 
2012-12-18 05:22:13 PM
What advice was that exactly subby?

The only thing they've said since Friday was:
"The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."
 
2012-12-18 05:22:51 PM
To be fair he could contact the NRA their facebook and twitter feeds are down.
 
2012-12-18 05:23:19 PM
Man, the government sure is pulling out all stops when it comes to generating public sympathy for their latest gun-ban.
 
2012-12-18 05:23:38 PM

Evil Mackerel: To be fair he couldn't contact the NRA their facebook and twitter feeds are down.


FTFM
 
2012-12-18 05:23:49 PM
Didn't he see the "Gun Free Zone" signage?


Just more and more media pushed anti-gun "news"...

The liberal media will really try to push this agenda now won't they
 
2012-12-18 05:24:09 PM

JesseL: The only thing they've said since Friday was:
"The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."


Have they no decency?
 
2012-12-18 05:25:34 PM
Yes, because that's what we all should do: follow up a moment of great tragedy with moments of great stupidity, which then lead to more moments of great tragedy.

// Looks like this kid's Wheel of Morality stopped a long time ago.
 
2012-12-18 05:26:36 PM
There are kids in Kearns that don't bring guns to school?

Wait, what?

/Used to live by 6200 South and 5600 West
 
2012-12-18 05:27:07 PM
With a helpful picture of what a "gun" might look like.
 
2012-12-18 05:27:23 PM
I love the hyper-sensitivity to the tragedy.

BAN ALL GUNS, HERP A DERP

We should lock up all people with Asperger Syndrome because they could be violent.

No thought, just react.
 
2012-12-18 05:27:33 PM
An armed elementary schoo

JesseL: What advice was that exactly subby?


An armed elementary school is a polite elementary school?
 
2012-12-18 05:28:27 PM
I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.
 
2012-12-18 05:28:39 PM

vegasj: Didn't he see the "Gun Free Zone" signage?


Just more and more media pushed anti-gun "news"...

The liberal media will really try to push this agenda now won't they


Absolutely! They'll be comin' fer your guns aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany day now....

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany day now.......

/Maybe in the 3rd term?
 
2012-12-18 05:29:26 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: We should lock up all people with Asperger Syndrome because they could be violent.


Or at least those on antipsychotic drugs

 
2012-12-18 05:30:19 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


Not a bad idea on some level, but do you really think you can guarantee that an 11 year old cannot figure out where your weapons are and how to get to them? I'd be hard-pressed to commit myself to that guarantee. Of course, I don't own any guns, so it's not actually an issue.
 
2012-12-18 05:31:08 PM

dalovindj: JesseL: The only thing they've said since Friday was:
"The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."

Have they no decency?


No, but their PR guy is Caminiti deCency.

/He's Italian.
 
2012-12-18 05:31:18 PM
vegasj


Random Anonymous Blackmail: We should lock up all people with Asperger Syndrome because they could be violent.

Or at least those on antipsychotic drugs


Wasn't his mom a doomsday prepper!!!

CALL THE POLICE.... WHAGARBBBBLL
 
2012-12-18 05:32:02 PM
Guns don't kill people, Eric Holder kills people.
 
2012-12-18 05:33:37 PM

Evil Mackerel: To be fair he could contact the NRA their facebook and twitter feeds are down.


What's even more funny is they pulled their sites, because they figured their forum sections would be FILLED with pro & anti gun comments.
Then, another site posted that the NRA pulled their sites to prevent the comments sections from being filled with hate filled comments from both sides. The FARK was the comments on the site reporting that the NRA pulled their site....WAS FILLED WITH HATE FILLED COMMENTS FROM BOTH SIDES.
Something the NRA was trying to avoid :)
 
2012-12-18 05:33:46 PM

Lochsteppe: deCency


Her?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 05:33:55 PM

mexicymru: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Not a bad idea on some level, but do you really think you can guarantee that an 11 year old cannot figure out where your weapons are and how to get to them?



As a parent of an 11 year old, and a gun owner, I can state categorically that yes, I can guarantee he doesn't have access to them. That is my responsibility. If an 11 year old can "figure out where they are and get access to them" then you're doing it wrong. If I ever doubted my ability to assert positive control over my guns, I would get rid of them.

I'd be hard-pressed to commit myself to that guarantee. Of course, I don't own any guns, so it's not actually an issue.

That's fine, and a perfectly valid reason to not own guns.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:05 PM

mexicymru: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Not a bad idea on some level, but do you really think you can guarantee that an 11 year old cannot figure out where your weapons are and how to get to them? I'd be hard-pressed to commit myself to that guarantee. Of course, I don't own any guns, so it's not actually an issue.


This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that, you shouldn't get to own guns in America.

/But 11-year-olds are so clever!
//If you're not smarter than a 6th grader, you won't be much help in an armed overthrow of tyranny anyway.*
///And you might be a redneck.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:37 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


Like the idea, but the one who did in this case took 4 bullets to the dome while she slept in her doomsday-delusional state.

For other irresponsible gun owners who have the benefit of still being above ground, absolutely I'm okay with this.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:50 PM
In Kearns?

I'd be surprised if the kids weren't armed.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:51 PM

Rent Party: As a parent of an 11 year old, and a gun owner, I can state categorically that yes, I can guarantee he doesn't have access to them. That is my responsibility. If an 11 year old can "figure out where they are and get access to them" then you're doing it wrong. If I ever doubted my ability to assert positive control over my guns, I would get rid of them.


Cool. I have no problem with you owning guns, then - and as my unpopularity elsewhere will attest, I'm not fond of firearms in the general population.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:52 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1
 
2012-12-18 05:36:22 PM
Secure your guns people. If your kid (or someone breaking into your home) has free access to your firearms and ammunition, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-12-18 05:37:17 PM
 
2012-12-18 05:38:05 PM

Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that, you shouldn't get to own guns in America.


I don't think that's extreme at all.
 
2012-12-18 05:38:52 PM
We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.
 
2012-12-18 05:39:16 PM
"The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."


Heh. I think we can all guess what their "meaningful contributions" will be. (Hint: MOAR GUNS!)



mexicymru: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Not a bad idea on some level, but do you really think you can guarantee that an 11 year old cannot figure out where your weapons are and how to get to them? I'd be hard-pressed to commit myself to that guarantee. Of course, I don't own any guns, so it's not actually an issue.


That's where you get into things like gun locks, and the resposibility of teaching your farking kids that guns aren't toys.
 
2012-12-18 05:39:29 PM

JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1


I bet we lose fewer people to home invasions than we do to people doing something stupid with their own gun or a family member's gun. It's also one of them thar false choice fallacy doohickeys. But you knew that.
 
2012-12-18 05:40:17 PM
When I wake up in the morning
And the news gives out a warning
And I don't think I'll ever make it through safe
By the time I grab my glock
And I give the mirror the talk
I'm at the school just in time to see the bullets fly
It's alright cause I'm saved by the shell

If the madman pulls his piece
I know I'm in for keeps
but my mom packed all my hollows last night
aiming low cause he's bad
I was trained by my dad
If I can shoot em while he's loading it will be alright
It's alright cause I'm saved by the shell
 
2012-12-18 05:41:04 PM

Sticky Hands: In Kearns?

I'd be surprised if the kids weren't armed.


meh I mixed up Kearns with Glendale.
Still.. Kearns ain't all the great either.
 
2012-12-18 05:41:28 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING
 
2012-12-18 05:41:42 PM

powtard: We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.


English, do you speak it?
 
2012-12-18 05:42:43 PM

JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1


Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link
 
2012-12-18 05:43:55 PM

powtard: We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.


This!

We can make our 12-year-old nieces our Spiritual Wives better than any Floridian.

Those new Auto Body Shop Subsidy Darwin Award Flex Lanes on 5400 South in Kearns will also earn us a Fark tag. That's probably why the kid brought the gun to school. To save all the kids on his school bus in case the driver tried to drive on 5400 South.
 
2012-12-18 05:44:43 PM

Rent Party: JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link


eloquentscience.com
 
2012-12-18 05:44:44 PM

Rent Party: JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link


Not all those firearms homicides were murder. The statistics linked include people killed in justifiable self-defense.
 
2012-12-18 05:45:37 PM

JohnAnnArbor: powtard: We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.

English, do you speak it?


Oh my heck! No, we don't speak English. We're in Utah.
 
2012-12-18 05:46:37 PM

Evil Mackerel: To be fair he could contact the NRA their facebook and twitter feeds are down.


In the before times, now lost to history, we had such mystical and wonderful technology.

dl.dropbox.com 

/Can you believe there was only one ringtone?
 
2012-12-18 05:46:56 PM

Sticky Hands: Sticky Hands: In Kearns?

I'd be surprised if the kids weren't armed.

meh I mixed up Kearns with Glendale.
Still.. Kearns ain't all the great either.


Kearns makes Glendale look like Deer Valley.
 
2012-12-18 05:49:16 PM
Anyone is allowed a gun. I'm OK with this.

Except the asshats that use them to issue bogus traffic tickets.
 
2012-12-18 05:49:49 PM
FTA: Horsley says school police are investing reports that the boy pointed the gun at another child's head.

But we're going to report that he brought it for self-defense.
 
2012-12-18 05:51:45 PM
Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;
 
2012-12-18 05:52:40 PM

JesseL: Rent Party: JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Not all those firearms homicides were murder. The statistics linked include people killed in justifiable self-defense.


Yes, They were probably sporting guns that they acquired when some "responsible gun owner" left his shiat laying around for a scumbag to steal. Most crime guns were illicitly obtained. Put another way, most crime guns were improperly stored by their legal owner.

Link

That is a study from Los Angeles, but I've no reason to doubt the conclusions can't be generalized to criminal classes everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:00 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.


Exactly! The more people that have guns the less likely anyone will actually use one. Now, what about when kids are walking to school? There are no adults with guns around, how do we protect them? What about when they're playing outside with their friends? Again, no armed adults. They could be murdered or abducted, this kind of thing happens you know.
 
2012-12-18 05:56:08 PM

Broktun: Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;


Just ahead of pork chops and FEMA
 
2012-12-18 05:56:30 PM

JesseL: What advice was that exactly subby?

The only thing they've said since Friday was:
"The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."


Well, shiat. How farking uncouth can you get?
 
2012-12-18 05:58:17 PM

Broktun: Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;


African Americans are also a minority among legal gun owners.
Much of the problem is caused by poverty and the drug war.
 
2012-12-18 05:59:46 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.


i actually think this is close to an idea, but the failing point is when you take someone's gun and then shoot them with it. still, the idea is the deterrent to careless gun storage/access, not that its isntantly going to solve all gun crime... nothing ever will (nor any other kind of crime ever be solved).

mexicymru: do you really think you can guarantee that an 11 year old cannot figure out where your weapons are and how to get to them? I'd be hard-pressed to commit myself to that guarantee.


yeah thats kind of the point. i think "if you can't keep a gun secure from an 11 year old, you shouldn't own a gun" is pretty close to a factual statement. i think the more troubling case isnt the 11 year old, its the "my ex-wife knew the combination to my gun safe, gave my gun to a drug dealer, and locked it back up in the hopes i wouldnt know it was missing" case.
 
2012-12-18 06:01:30 PM

Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that


Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.
 
2012-12-18 06:01:49 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.


So what you are saying is when they were handing out brains, you were very polite and held the door for everyone instead. Thanks.

Subby: thanks for confirming my belief that any moron can get a submission green lit if they try hard enough
 
2012-12-18 06:03:43 PM
 
2012-12-18 06:04:32 PM
Interesting typo: "Horsley says school police are investing reports that the boy pointed the gun at another child's head." Investing or planting?

/tinfoil off
 
2012-12-18 06:05:30 PM
Huh, I must have missed my NRA training circular with the talking points about sending 6th graders to school with firearms.

Could someone forward that one to me?
 
2012-12-18 06:06:39 PM

stampylives: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

i actually think this is close to an idea, but the failing point is when you take someone's gun and then shoot them with it.


Being assaulted and having the gun taken from your physical person by force shall be a positive defense against 1st Degree "Storing Your Gun Like an Asshole."


still, the idea is the deterrent to careless gun storage/access, not that its isntantly going to solve all gun crime... nothing ever will (nor any other kind of crime ever be solved).


Nothing is ever going to solve all of *any* kind of crime. That doesn't mean we should just throw up our hands and say "Fark it! Anarchy!"



yeah thats kind of the point. i think "if you can't keep a gun secure from an 11 year old, you shouldn't own a gun" is pretty close to a factual statement. i think the more troubling case isnt the 11 year old, its the "my ex-wife knew the combination to my gun safe, gave my gun to a drug dealer, and locked it back up in the hopes i wouldnt know it was missing" case.


In that case, you were irresponsible by allowing someone to know the combo to the gun safe that shouldn't. Six months in the poke for you with an additional three month ex-wife penalty.

Change the combo regularly, or get bio-metric locks.
 
2012-12-18 06:07:47 PM

way south: Broktun: Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;

African Americans are also a minority among legal gun owners.
Much of the problem is caused by poverty and the drug war.


And the culture that accepts it.
 
2012-12-18 06:07:50 PM

JesseL: Rent Party: JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Not all those firearms homicides were murder. The statistics linked include people killed in justifiable self-defense.


Really? Were you there? No? Then how could you confirm that? Oh, you can't, because in the section where firearm deaths are explained, the writer of the report makes no mention of self-defense being separate from the number. In fact, he categorizes two only: Suicide, and Homicide.

In any case, death by irresponsible moron with a gun (whether they shoot at themselves or others), is exactly that and in the end is counted by one number only.

// You did sound like an NRA supporter (you know, the brainwashed masses).
/// Nothing wrong with it, just get the facts right and RTFA.
 
2012-12-18 06:08:38 PM

mittromneysdog: Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that

Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.


Horseshiat. If you can't outsmart an 11 year old, don't own guns.
 
2012-12-18 06:11:06 PM

Rent Party: mittromneysdog: Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that

Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.

Horseshiat. If you can't outsmart an 11 year old, don't own guns.


If you think you can decrease the odds of your child getting ahold of your weapon to zero, then I'd say there's a better chance than you imagine that you can't outsmart an 11 year old.
 
2012-12-18 06:11:33 PM

hdhale: So what you are saying is when they were handing out brains, you were very polite and held the door for everyone instead. Thanks.


Brainier than you are.

//better personality, too
 
2012-12-18 06:12:35 PM

tallguywithglasseson: I always keep a loaded gun under my pillow. For protection. 


That dipshiat should have 15 years in prison to think about how he, and he alone, killed his son.


I might have to shoot an intruder.


And that asshole should do 10 years for firing at a target he hadn't identified.

Two more "irresponsible assholes" that would have described themselves as "responsible gun owners."
 
2012-12-18 06:13:38 PM

mittromneysdog: Rent Party: mittromneysdog: Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that

Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.

Horseshiat. If you can't outsmart an 11 year old, don't own guns.

If you think you can decrease the odds of your child getting ahold of your weapon to zero, then I'd say there's a better chance than you imagine that you can't outsmart an 11 year old.


I haven't ruled out the Earth being taken over by space aliens, either, but right now I'm going to bet it ain't gonna happen.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:48 PM

tallguywithglasseson: I always keep a loaded gun under my pillow. For protection. 

I might have to shoot an intruder.


I actually saw a bumper sticker in Ann Arbor once that said "If guns are criminalized, only criminals will accidentally shoot their kids at 2am."

Taking glee in another family's tragedy and mocking them on a bumper sticker? Classy.
 
2012-12-18 06:17:02 PM

Broktun: way south: Broktun: Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;

African Americans are also a minority among legal gun owners.
Much of the problem is caused by poverty and the drug war.

And the culture that accepts it.


Painfully and unfortunately true.

Being a black gun owner myself, I try to preach the virtues of responsible ownership. But even on an island where the population must be 80% black or Latino, at least half of the gun owners I know are still white.

/But there's no shortage of proof that illegal guns are common.
/I guess its because they are so easy to get, people who aren't in it for the sport simply don't bother with the paperwork.
/In case anyone's wondering its a stupidly large amount of bureaucracy compared to the states (police chief must approve all licenses) and yes the murder rate is absurdly high.
 
2012-12-18 06:18:16 PM

Broktun: way south: Broktun: Firearm homicide is the leading cause of death for African Americans ages 1-44.

Source:

Nat'l Ctr. for Injury Prevention & Control, U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention, Web-Based Injury Statistics Query & Reporting System (WISQARS) Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009, for National, Regional, and States (RESTRICTED), at http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/dataRestriction_lcd.html (last visited Mar. 8, 2012) (hereinafter WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports, 1999-2009;

African Americans are also a minority among legal gun owners.
Much of the problem is caused by poverty and the drug war.

And the culture that accepts it.


I don't accept it but I can't publicly state that since the left would no doubt label me a racist-homophobe-anti Semite-bigot-fascist-Nazi-whatever other buzzwords they like to use.
 
2012-12-18 06:18:48 PM
fyi,
for those of you that make fun of florida.
well, hate to break it to you
the rest of the world feels the same way about your entire country.
 
2012-12-18 06:19:11 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Taking glee in another family's tragedy and mocking them on a bumper sticker? Classy.


Bumper stickers generally just kind of go for it.

Off topic, I saw one the other day that simply said "CITIZENS AGAINST DON HENLEY". I lol'd.
 
2012-12-18 06:23:41 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.


"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."
 
2012-12-18 06:25:56 PM

Mike Chewbacca: tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.

"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."


"In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces"
 
2012-12-18 06:30:52 PM
 
2012-12-18 06:36:12 PM

illannoyin: Link

Link


So you think that 11-year-old was mentally ill and couldn't get the help he needed because the ACLU is bad?
 
2012-12-18 06:36:57 PM
Sorry, the 2nd Amendment doesn't state that the you have to be of a certain age to carry a weapon.

STOP TAKING AWAY HIS RIGHTS
 
2012-12-18 06:39:41 PM
Is this boy not a citizen?

What I want to know is, why don't we follow the constitution? The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Arms, not firearms. So bazookas and hand grenades and mortars and artillery.

And the constitution does not say "except in these cases." It says shall not be infringed.

If this kid wants to take a pistol to school, that's his constitutional right. If I want to take a bazooka onto a plane, that's my right. It's right there in the constitution. No exceptions listed.

I'm sick of the weaselly NRA talking about limited rights when we have the right to carry arms without restriction. I can carry grenades into a church. I can carry mines into Congress. I can mount a 50 caliber machine gun on my car. Let freedom ring.

Why are we denied our obvious, plainly-stated constitutional rights?
 
2012-12-18 06:43:21 PM
Football kills more kids each year than school shootings. Perhaps we should ban that too.
 
2012-12-18 06:43:57 PM

RoxtarRyan: Sorry, the 2nd Amendment doesn't state that the you have to be of a certain age to carry a weapon.

STOP TAKING AWAY HIS RIGHTS


I tried using my first amendment rights against my Mother when I was twelve.
I'm not quite sure what happened next, but I woke up on the floor with a palm print on the side of my face...

/Apparently the kings rules are in effect till you're old enough to get a job.
/Farking tyrants.
 
2012-12-18 06:43:58 PM

mittromneysdog: Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that

Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.


You're better off making them respect and fear the gun than never letting them see it, anyway, and to practice on it occasionally when they get old enough. The novelty factor is where most accidental deaths come from.
 
2012-12-18 06:47:09 PM
Everyone in this state is a friggen' NRA gun-nut.....
 
2012-12-18 06:47:38 PM
Horsley tells KSL-TV that an unloaded gun and ammunition were found

Unloaded?? What good is that going to do when a crazed gunman comes for you?
 
2012-12-18 06:51:17 PM

edgesrealm: Yes, because that's what we all should do: follow up a moment of great tragedy with moments of great stupidity, which then lead to more moments of great tragedy.

// Looks like this kid's Wheel of Morality stopped a long time ago.


Hey, it worked when we went into Afghanistan didn't it!
 
2012-12-18 06:52:38 PM

powtard: We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.


That's not how you're supposed to use the word "anymore", hillbilly.
 
2012-12-18 06:55:26 PM

edgesrealm: This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Not all those firearms homicides were murder. The statistics linked include people killed in justifiable self-defense.

Really? Were you there? No? Then how could you confirm that? Oh, you can't, because in the section where firearm deaths are explained, the writer of the report makes no mention of self-defense being separate from the number. In fact, he categorizes two only: Suicide, and Homicide.

In any case, death by irresponsible moron with a gun (whether they shoot at themselves or others), is exactly that and in the end is counted by one number only.

// You did sound like an NRA supporter (you know, the brainwashed masses).
/// Nothing wrong with it, just get the facts right and RTFA.


People killed by other people are always homicides - whether it's illegal (and thus murder or manslaughter) or legal (such as justified self defense or a police shooting).

/I am an NRA supporter.
//Life member since 86.
 
2012-12-18 06:55:43 PM

jimpapa: fyi,
for those of you that make fun of florida.
well, hate to break it to you
the rest of the world feels the same way about your entire country.



That's why we're going to take it over and make everybody STFU. Starting with our northern neighbors.
 
2012-12-18 07:06:53 PM
HERO tag is bound and gagged? Look at all the hyper-paranoid furor that the media has made of this and you're calling a 6th grader a Dumbass? There are far bigger dumbasses in the world...

/checked mirror
//whew!
//Lots more money for mental health issues needed
 
2012-12-18 07:12:36 PM

Rent Party: As a parent of an 11 year old, and a gun owner, I can state categorically that yes, I can guarantee he doesn't have access to them. That is my responsibility. If an 11 year old can "figure out where they are and get access to them" then you're doing it wrong. If I ever doubted my ability to assert positive control over my guns, I would get rid of them.


Good for you. Of course, that means he's simply channeled all his energies into a much softer target, namely defeating your attempts to keep him from porn.

You're fine as long as you don't stash your porn in your gun safe. No force in the world could keep him from it then.
 
2012-12-18 07:16:45 PM

JesseL: edgesrealm: This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Not all those firearms homicides were murder. The statistics linked include people killed in justifiable self-defense.

Really? Were you there? No? Then how could you confirm that? Oh, you can't, because in the section where firearm deaths are explained, the writer of the report makes no mention of self-defense being separate from the number. In fact, he categorizes two only: Suicide, and Homicide.

In any case, death by irresponsible moron with a gun (whether they shoot at themselves or others), is exactly that and in the end is counted by one number only.

// You did sound like an NRA supporter (you know, the brainwashed masses).
/// Nothing wrong with it, just get the facts right and RTFA.

People killed by other people are always homicides - whether it's illegal (and thus murder or manslaughter) or legal (such as justified self defense or a police shooting).

/I am an NRA supporter.
//Life member since 86.


Total Homicides (2009 CDC numbers): 16,799 (11,493 by firearm)
Total Justifiable Homicides: (2005 BJS numbers): 192 by private citizens, 343 by police.
 
2012-12-18 07:17:05 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: vegasj


Random Anonymous Blackmail: We should lock up all people with Asperger Syndrome because they could be violent.

Or at least those on antipsychotic drugs

Wasn't his mom a doomsday prepper!!!

CALL THE POLICE.... WHAGARBBBBLL


The only TRUE solution is mass euthanasia of the human race.

/from orbit
//only way to be sure
 
2012-12-18 07:19:05 PM
The thought of some six year old pulling out a gun and nailing a retard like the one in Conn is simply beautiful. If only it could have gone down that way.
 
2012-12-18 07:21:43 PM
NRA is a group that protects the right to bear arms but most Farkers say they are evil because the founding fathers only meant things like muskets and knives.

And because weapons such as assault weapons didn't exist at the time, they shouldn't be covered by the 2nd Amendment and that all gun owners should be registered with the government.

Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, I'm all for it.

But then Facebook, Twitter, Fark etc. should hand over all social media registration because things like the internet shouldn't be covered under the 1st Amendment because it didn't exist when the Bill of Rights were drafted.

Freedom of Speech should only be protected by what you can shout out in the town square or write with a quill pen and parchment.
 
2012-12-18 07:25:43 PM

Agent Nick Fury: NRA is a group that protects the right to bear arms but most Farkers say they are evil because the founding fathers only meant things like muskets and knives.

And because weapons such as assault weapons didn't exist at the time, they shouldn't be covered by the 2nd Amendment and that all gun owners should be registered with the government.

Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, I'm all for it.

But then Facebook, Twitter, Fark etc. should hand over all social media registration because things like the internet shouldn't be covered under the 1st Amendment because it didn't exist when the Bill of Rights were drafted.

Freedom of Speech should only be protected by what you can shout out in the town square or write with a quill pen and parchment.


If Trolling: 9/10
If Not Trolling: 9/10

The logic is sound, if not the principle
 
2012-12-18 07:26:26 PM
Kearns? Why am I not surprised?
 
2012-12-18 07:27:52 PM
If your kid can remove a gun from your home without your knowledge, you fail as a gun owner and a parent.

I don't understand why the purchase of a gun doesn't require any kind of training or education... Thank goodness the kid didn't decide to play with a loaded gun and blow his out his friend's head off.

I think at the very least you should have to take a safety workshop and pass a test and if you're boneheaded enough to not secure your firearm and your kid gets caught with it, you lose your gun privileges for awhile. Same if you accidentally discharge it and end up shooting someone. Why not? If you drive like an asshole and fark up enough, you lose your driving privileges. Both a car and a gun are potentially deadly and both require knowledge and skills to operate safely, yet only one is closely regulated (and I'd argue that for most people, driving is far more necessary than owning a gun.)
 
2012-12-18 07:27:57 PM
Man, this is depressing.
 
2012-12-18 07:30:19 PM

JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1


JesseL, I think you're one of the more reasonable gun enthusiasts on this site, but you are jumping to the conclusion that's most convenient to your philosophy here.

Read that story from a neutral perspective and you can't definitively say what would've happened if the kid just hid with his siblings, or ran out the back door to a neighbor's house. The intruders could've just robbed the place and left without harming any of them. I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but IMO, that article does nothing to support your claim that a policy that imposes consequences for adults who fail to keep guns out of the hands of kids "will have its own cost in lives."

And who's to say that such a policy couldn't be worded to allow for castle doctrine cases? But if a kid shot someone who had a right to be there, such as a utility meter reader or someone like that, then Mom and Dad should be penalized just as if the kid stole the gun out of their bedroom, brought it to school and shot up some classmates.

Until we the people can have reasonable discussions among ourselves about serious topics like this, expect politicians and the media to do what they do best...leverage tragedies to further their own agendas.
 
2012-12-18 07:30:22 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.


Wouldn't have helped in the Sandy case, though, because he kind of *killed* the legal owner (his mom).
 
2012-12-18 07:33:48 PM

Felgraf: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Wouldn't have helped in the Sandy case, though, because he kind of *killed* the legal owner (his mom).


Wouldn't have helped? What did he kill her with?

We might infer, then, that she did not exercise proper care over those very same weapons. If she hadn't have been guilty of "Storing Guns Like as Asshole" he wouldn't have had access to them in the first place.
 
2012-12-18 07:35:25 PM
I really feel bad for this kid.
The parents should get cited for him getting a hold of the weapon, assuming that it came from the home.

They're pressing charges and I wonder how much better that approach is than just a good heart to heart with the kid being that he's 11.

I went to that school Back then the tongans just threw rocks at you.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:57 PM
If your 11 year old child takes one of your guns to school you have failed so many ways as a parent and probably need to be sterilized
 
2012-12-18 07:43:04 PM

diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed


This. I don't think we need more gun control, but we do need more nut control. That means finding the money to fund more mental health programs and educating the general public about mental health issues. It could even mean that we need single-payer health care to cover everyone so that even the poorest among us can get the psychological screenings they need--before they flip out on a BART station platform and a BART cop has to shoot one.
 
2012-12-18 07:43:23 PM

Benjamin Orr: If your 11 year old child takes one of your guns to school you have failed so many ways as a parent and probably need to be sterilized


You don't know this neighborhood....it's one of the rougher ones in Utah, even 20 years ago it was pretty rough.
But yeah... Parents probably passed out after a wild night of feeding cats to thieir pitbull and smoking crack.
 
2012-12-18 07:44:53 PM

diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed


But where should that money come from? The People?
 
2012-12-18 07:49:47 PM

computerguyUT: Benjamin Orr: If your 11 year old child takes one of your guns to school you have failed so many ways as a parent and probably need to be sterilized

You don't know this neighborhood....it's one of the rougher ones in Utah, even 20 years ago it was pretty rough.
But yeah... Parents probably passed out after a wild night of feeding cats to thieir pitbull and smoking crack.


For some reason I find the idea of a rough neighborhood in Utah highly amusing
 
2012-12-18 07:54:17 PM

Rent Party: mittromneysdog: Lochsteppe: This may sound extreme, but if you can't guarantee that

Contrary to the bravado, it is actually impossible to guarantee kids won't get ahold of one of your guns. You can decrease the odds to pretty low. But you can't decrease them to zero.

Horseshiat. If you can't outsmart an 11 year old, don't own guns.


I dunno. Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader has convinced me we have a lot of really savvy 11 year olds out there.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:05 PM
Imagine another retard trying to kill kids at his school. They probably wouldn't even report mention him shooting the jerkoff.
 
2012-12-18 07:58:04 PM

Benjamin Orr: computerguyUT: Benjamin Orr: If your 11 year old child takes one of your guns to school you have failed so many ways as a parent and probably need to be sterilized

You don't know this neighborhood....it's one of the rougher ones in Utah, even 20 years ago it was pretty rough.
But yeah... Parents probably passed out after a wild night of feeding cats to thieir pitbull and smoking crack.

For some reason I find the idea of a rough neighborhood in Utah highly amusing


I know. I could tell you stories though. Not all that amusing unfortunately. Well some of them were... :-)
 
2012-12-18 07:58:55 PM

uttertosh: diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed

But where should that money come from? The People?


We've been raising the debt ceiling to pay for stealth bombers and pork barrel projects.
Raise it a hair more and get this done.
 
2012-12-18 07:59:13 PM
Stand your ground kid.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:26 PM
This is all wrong, we need a constitutional amendment to lower the age so all patriotic 3-year-olds can practice their rights!
 
2012-12-18 08:02:30 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I love the hyper-sensitivity to the tragedy.

BAN ALL GUNS, HERP A DERP

We should lock up all people with Asperger Syndrome because they could be violent.

No thought, just react.



62 mass shooting in the last 30 years.
50 mass shootings in the last 20 years.
7 mass shootings this year.
 
I think after 30 years of trying to deal with this problem, it no longer qualifies as a knee-jerk reaction.
 
2012-12-18 08:27:00 PM
I once brought a gun to school.

CSB Time:

My dad inherited an 1898 model Winchester .22 caliber rifle from his dad. Bolt-action, single shot - barrel so short that it's not much longer than some pistol barrels.

It was a nice little rifle (still is, my brother has it now) but it had a broken stock, so I took it to my wood shop class in Jr. high - didn't bother to ask permission, and no one raised an eyebrow. Made a nice new stock out of black walnut, and a new trigger guard that I hammered out of a piece of brass tubing. The shop teacher was very helpful, showing me how to seat the barrel properly, etc.

End CSB


/Sometimes I miss the 1970's
 
2012-12-18 08:52:33 PM

way south: /Can you believe there was only one ringtone?


Not if you were on a party line.
 
2012-12-18 09:02:06 PM
he wont be getting his priesthood on schedule, now.
 
2012-12-18 09:04:28 PM

Anonymocoso: JohnAnnArbor: powtard: We really need a Utard tag. There are nearly just as many stories about Utahns as there are Floridians anymore.

English, do you speak it?

Oh my heck! No, we don't speak English. We're in Utah.


stop talking shiz, yo.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:19 PM

Anonymocoso: There are kids in Kearns that don't bring guns to school?

Wait, what?

/Used to live by 6200 South and 5600 West


I currently live near 6200S 5600W...

stalker.
gonna get me a gun.
 
2012-12-18 09:37:53 PM

way south: uttertosh: diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed

But where should that money come from? The People?

We've been raising the debt ceiling to pay for stealth bombers and pork barrel projects.
Raise it a hair more and get this done.


So, not socialized medicine, then? Not your countrymen looking after thier own? MOAR DEBT. nice
 
2012-12-18 09:38:14 PM
subby is a loser,that is all.
 
2012-12-18 09:57:33 PM

tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.

 
 
If guns aren't the problem, then guns are also not the solution.

 
 
2012-12-18 10:05:03 PM
Load up on guns, bring your friends, It's fun to lose and to pretend
 
2012-12-18 10:07:29 PM

uttertosh: way south: uttertosh: diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed

But where should that money come from? The People?

We've been raising the debt ceiling to pay for stealth bombers and pork barrel projects.
Raise it a hair more and get this done.

So, not socialized medicine, then? Not your countrymen looking after thier own? MOAR DEBT. nice


I wasn't in favor of socialized medicine, but congress is powered by the magic flowing from our wallets so SURE, why not?!

/Ever notice that the federal government is kind of like a cheapskate father?
/He tells you there's no money in the budget to buy the name brand breakfast cereal, then gets himself a nice leather lay-z-boy and a mini fridge for his beer.
 
2012-12-18 10:11:25 PM

way south: /Ever notice that the federal government is kind of like a cheapskate father?
/He tells you there's no money in the budget to buy the name brand breakfast cereal, then gets himself a nice leather lay-z-boy and a mini fridge for his beer.


LOL! +1 for the analogy :-D
 
2012-12-18 10:15:32 PM

Rent Party: JesseL: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Just be aware that that policy will have its own cost in lives.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix- te en-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link


Yeah, but if gun control was tightened up surely those 11,493 homicides would be committed with a butter knife or a comb instead.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:35 PM
[shrug]
 
There were people right here on Fark, the day of the shooting, insisting that people in the school should have had guns, then this tragedy would not have happened.
 
Now they're backpedaling, saying what they MEANT was that TEACHERS should have had the guns. So, what, when a teacher gets caught with a gun tomorrow, they'll backpedal some more and say what they MEANT was that only PROPERLY LICENSED GUARDS should have had the guns?
 
This is why you don't go making up new laws & rules on the spur of the moment.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:56 PM

hdhale: tallguywithglasseson: The more guns in schools, the less likely someone will be injured or killed by one.

So what you are saying is when they were handing out brains, you were very polite and held the door for everyone instead. Thanks.

Subby: thanks for confirming my belief that any moron can get a submission green lit if they try hard enough


I believe tallguywithglasseson was partaking of some sarcasm.
 
2012-12-18 10:40:43 PM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


Fark that - that dipshiat needs his ass beat, then sent to prison for two years and thier gun rights banned for life
 
2012-12-18 10:57:06 PM

Homr: Anonymocoso: There are kids in Kearns that don't bring guns to school?

Wait, what?

/Used to live by 6200 South and 5600 West

I currently live near 6200S 5600W...

stalker.
gonna get me a gun.


No one can stalk you. They will get in a crash on those new Darwin lanes on 5400 South on their way out to you. Unless your stalker is in Tooele.
 
2012-12-18 11:05:23 PM
"I swear Marge, U never thought he would look in the vegetable compartment."

/lax gun laws are like communism, both work great in theory, not so much in practice
 
2012-12-18 11:07:24 PM
*I never thought...

/FIFM
 
2012-12-18 11:20:58 PM
Just like sex education, a lot of adults expect someone else to do it so they don't hurt their snowflake's feelings. A lot of gun accidents in the households and kids carrying guns for this reason are usually offspring of those types of parents. I think a lot of the issues come from these types of parents raising their kids without educating them in dangers and consequences of weapons and their actions in general.

But hey, let's just get media over-sensationalism of tragedies and then rush through some half baked laws into place restricting rights even more and call it good, eh?
 
2012-12-18 11:25:07 PM

RabidJade: Just like sex education, a lot of adults expect someone else to do it so they don't hurt their snowflake's feelings.


Serious question - why do you think home schooling is so much better than the public education system?
 
2012-12-18 11:59:00 PM
Why is everyone assuming that the kid had the gun without parental permission?

The parents probably packed it in his lunchbox themselves.

"Study hard at school today, Johnny. And stand your ground. Now give Mommy a kiss before you get on the schoolbus."
 
2012-12-19 12:02:55 AM

ensign_noname: that dipshiat needs his ass beat, then sent to prison for two years and thier gun rights banned for life


Easy there, citizen. The NRA does not condone the unlawful and unconstitutional suppression of a convicted felon's rights to keep and bear arms, once he has paid his debt to society.*

You probably didn't mean to hate America just now, but don't let it happen again.

* You may ask, where in the Second Amendment is the government empowered to deny felons firearms while in prison? This is an excellent question, citizen. The NRA has its best philosophers working on it.
 
2012-12-19 12:10:13 AM

Gyrfalcon: [shrug]
 
There were people right here on Fark, the day of the shooting, insisting that people in the school should have had guns, then this tragedy would not have happened.
 
Now they're backpedaling, saying what they MEANT was that TEACHERS should have had the guns. So, what, when a teacher gets caught with a gun tomorrow, they'll backpedal some more and say what they MEANT was that only PROPERLY LICENSED GUARDS should have had the guns?
 
This is why you don't go making up new laws & rules on the spur of the moment.

 
 
Professional soldiers shoot themselves in friendly fire incidents all the time, but we're supposed to believe that civilians who have probably never been in a combat situation are going to be popping off head shots like they were the cast of The Walking Dead?  Demand for guns and ammo has been outstripping supply ever since Obama's election and we just get more mass shootings.  I'm sorry, but there has to be a better solution.
 
2012-12-19 01:39:29 AM

uttertosh: diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed

But where should that money come from? The People?


New bullet and marijuana taxes.
 
2012-12-19 01:58:30 AM
Drop the hammer on the parents.
If my dog bites someone, _I_ am held responsible.
Once mom & dad have to take off of work to go to court, or they have to start paying fines for little Johnny's behavior, or are forced to pay for child care because the kid got suspended ... watch how quick this doesn't happen again.
 
2012-12-19 02:00:41 AM

Kibbler: Is this boy not a citizen?

What I want to know is, why don't we follow the constitution? The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Arms, not firearms. So bazookas and hand grenades and mortars and artillery.

And the constitution does not say "except in these cases." It says shall not be infringed.

If this kid wants to take a pistol to school, that's his constitutional right. If I want to take a bazooka onto a plane, that's my right. It's right there in the constitution. No exceptions listed.

I'm sick of the weaselly NRA talking about limited rights when we have the right to carry arms without restriction. I can carry grenades into a church. I can carry mines into Congress. I can mount a 50 caliber machine gun on my car. Let freedom ring.

Why are we denied our obvious, plainly-stated constitutional rights?


That reminds me of the episode of Family Matters where Urkel builds a nuclear device.
The feds had to get all up in his grill.
2nd Amendment, biatches.
 
2012-12-19 02:10:03 AM
If they could, they'd ban everything.

In California, they banned nunchucks. Why? Because there's no NRA protecting nunchucks.
 
2012-12-19 02:43:19 AM
Guns are not the problem here. I would like to point out that the per capita rate of gun ownership in America is 88.8 per 100 people. In Switzerland it is 45.7 and in Finland it is 32. The per capita firearm homicide rate is 2.9, 0.52, and 0.26 per 100,000 people, respectively. 1.9x as many guns as Switzerland, yet 5.6x as many firearm homicides. 2.8x as many guns as Finland, yet 11x as many firearm deaths. There is also a similar disproportion for other countries, such as Sweden(31.6/0.19), Norway(31.3/0.04), France(31.2/0.22), Germany(30.3/0.06), and Canada(30.9/0.76). If guns were the problem then how come there are not more firearm homicides for those countries? Surely if this was all because of the number of guns then all those other countries would have a per capita rate much closer to our own.

Clearly guns are not the problem. The problems, whatever they are, go much, much deeper than what amounts to nothing more than the tool of choice.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:37 AM

JRoo: uttertosh: diaphoresis: //Lots more money for mental health issues needed

But where should that money come from? The People?

New bullet and marijuana taxes.


I agree with this. This is good reasoning.
 
2012-12-19 06:56:19 AM

Mock26: Guns are not the problem here. I would like to point out that the per capita rate of gun ownership in America is 88.8 per 100 people. In Switzerland it is 45.7 and in Finland it is 32. The per capita firearm homicide rate is 2.9, 0.52, and 0.26 per 100,000 people, respectively. 1.9x as many guns as Switzerland, yet 5.6x as many firearm homicides. 2.8x as many guns as Finland, yet 11x as many firearm deaths. There is also a similar disproportion for other countries, such as Sweden(31.6/0.19), Norway(31.3/0.04), France(31.2/0.22), Germany(30.3/0.06), and Canada(30.9/0.76). If guns were the problem then how come there are not more firearm homicides for those countries? Surely if this was all because of the number of guns then all those other countries would have a per capita rate much closer to our own.

Clearly guns are not the problem. The problems, whatever they are, go much, much deeper than what amounts to nothing more than the tool of choice.


So basically what you're saying is that availability of guns isn't the problem, Americans are just murderous assholes.

Funny thing is, back when you American idiots were electing George W. Bush for a second time the rest of the Western world was telling you guys this exact thing and you assholes didn't want to listen.

Remember when the US sent Colin Powell to the UN to tell lies in order to facilitate an illegal war on Iraq? I do.

Remember when the US Right chucked a hissy fit about "socialism" when your President Obama wanted to give healthcare to every one of his fellow citizens? I do.

Over the last few days I've watched in bemusement as you Americans have tied yourselves in knots over the issue of gun control. It has been bizarre to watch.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in a country whose citizens get only two weeks paid leave per year, don't have the freedom to switch jobs without worrying about their prospective new employers healthcare plan, and have to worry about being blown away every time they step out of the house.

"Land of the Free" my farking arse.
 
2012-12-19 07:36:08 AM
 
2012-12-19 10:02:58 AM

JesseL: "The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."


Hypocrites. The phrase they are weaselling round is "acceptable cost".
 
2012-12-19 10:59:58 AM
Well, as the old saying goes, An armed middle school student body is a polite middle school student body.
 
2012-12-19 11:02:54 AM

Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.


I'll agree with this. With the recent legalization of pot in WA & CO, there's likely a bunch of prison cells that will need filling...
 
2012-12-19 11:49:19 AM

Trapper439: Mock26: Guns are not the problem here. I would like to point out that the per capita rate of gun ownership in America is 88.8 per 100 people. In Switzerland it is 45.7 and in Finland it is 32. The per capita firearm homicide rate is 2.9, 0.52, and 0.26 per 100,000 people, respectively. 1.9x as many guns as Switzerland, yet 5.6x as many firearm homicides. 2.8x as many guns as Finland, yet 11x as many firearm deaths. There is also a similar disproportion for other countries, such as Sweden(31.6/0.19), Norway(31.3/0.04), France(31.2/0.22), Germany(30.3/0.06), and Canada(30.9/0.76). If guns were the problem then how come there are not more firearm homicides for those countries? Surely if this was all because of the number of guns then all those other countries would have a per capita rate much closer to our own.

Clearly guns are not the problem. The problems, whatever they are, go much, much deeper than what amounts to nothing more than the tool of choice.

So basically what you're saying is that availability of guns isn't the problem, Americans are just murderous assholes.

Funny thing is, back when you American idiots were electing George W. Bush for a second time the rest of the Western world was telling you guys this exact thing and you assholes didn't want to listen.

Remember when the US sent Colin Powell to the UN to tell lies in order to facilitate an illegal war on Iraq? I do.

Remember when the US Right chucked a hissy fit about "socialism" when your President Obama wanted to give healthcare to every one of his fellow citizens? I do.

Over the last few days I've watched in bemusement as you Americans have tied yourselves in knots over the issue of gun control. It has been bizarre to watch.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in a country whose citizens get only two weeks paid leave per year, don't have the freedom to switch jobs without worrying about their prospective new employers healthcare plan, and have to worry about being blown away every time they ste ...


And yet shiatbirds like you, who don't even live here, are obsessed with American news, American entertainment, and American politics.

Maybe what ever God forsaken piece of garbage country you live in could contribute more to the world except for going on social media in America and biatching about a country you evidently envy immensely.
 
2012-12-19 12:37:38 PM

kg2095:
Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Yeah, but if gun control was tightened up surely those 11,493 homicides would be committed with a butter knife or a comb instead.



We aren't actually talking about gun control here. We're talking about gun owners controlling their guns so that bad people don't get hold of them and do bad things.
 
2012-12-19 12:41:33 PM

ensign_noname: Rent Party: I'm going to go back to the Rent Party Policy that places 100% of the responsibility for guns on their legal owners. Whichever dipshiat left this gun in an unsecured state, allowing a sixth grader access to it, should be going to prison for two years.

Start directing mandatory minimum sentencing at those "responsible" gun owners that are really "irresponsible assholes" and you'll find far fewer weapons in the hands of those that shouldn't have them.

Fark that - that dipshiat needs his ass beat, then sent to prison for two years and thier gun rights banned for life


Rent Party Law #3 is that judges are fully within their rights to sentence people convicted of certain crimes to "An ass beating." While normally reserved for property crimes (vandals, petty thieves, etc...) there is nothing within RPL that would preclude sentencing An ass beating for acts of abject stupidity.

I will leave it with the courts to decide if this case merits such attention.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:14 PM

Trapper439: Mock26: Guns are not the problem here. I would like to point out that the per capita rate of gun ownership in America is 88.8 per 100 people. In Switzerland it is 45.7 and in Finland it is 32. The per capita firearm homicide rate is 2.9, 0.52, and 0.26 per 100,000 people, respectively. 1.9x as many guns as Switzerland, yet 5.6x as many firearm homicides. 2.8x as many guns as Finland, yet 11x as many firearm deaths. There is also a similar disproportion for other countries, such as Sweden(31.6/0.19), Norway(31.3/0.04), France(31.2/0.22), Germany(30.3/0.06), and Canada(30.9/0.76). If guns were the problem then how come there are not more firearm homicides for those countries? Surely if this was all because of the number of guns then all those other countries would have a per capita rate much closer to our own.

Clearly guns are not the problem. The problems, whatever they are, go much, much deeper than what amounts to nothing more than the tool of choice.

So basically what you're saying is that availability of guns isn't the problem, Americans are just murderous assholes.

Funny thing is, back when you American idiots were electing George W. Bush for a second time the rest of the Western world was telling you guys this exact thing and you assholes didn't want to listen.

Remember when the US sent Colin Powell to the UN to tell lies in order to facilitate an illegal war on Iraq? I do.

Remember when the US Right chucked a hissy fit about "socialism" when your President Obama wanted to give healthcare to every one of his fellow citizens? I do.

Over the last few days I've watched in bemusement as you Americans have tied yourselves in knots over the issue of gun control. It has been bizarre to watch.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in a country whose citizens get only two weeks paid leave per year, don't have the freedom to switch jobs without worrying about their prospective new employers healthcare plan, and have to worry about being blown away every time they ste ...


Wow, bitter much?

I am going out on a limb here and take a guess that you are an Australian, right? After all, your bio states, "Aussie..." Well, guess what? You could not pay me enough to live in a country where the people are so farkng stupid that they think that banning semi-automatic firearms will actually do any good!

If I remember correctly, your ban went into effect in 1996, right? Shall we look at the number of murders for your country?
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Interesting. Right after the ban the rate went up a little bit, dropped, and then spiked. Since then it has fluctuated but has trended downward.

"Ah-ah! I have you now Mock26. The murder rate has gone down since the ban went into effect!"
That is what you are thinking, right? Well, how about we look a the number of firearm homicides?

img.photobucket.com 

Crickey! Will you look at that. The number of firearm homicides has been trending downward since the 19-farking-60s! And I bet you thought it was all due to your silly little ban on semi-automatic firearms. Sure, our murder rates, both for firearms and other means is higher than all other first world countries, but so what? We average about 45 murders a day in America, but do you actually know that the other side of the coin is? Our population is 311,591,917, and that means that every day over 311 MILLION people do not murder someone. We are such a bunch of murderous assholes that the number of people murdered cannot even be accurately expressed as a percentage that people would actually understand! Using just 311,000,000 as the population base the percent number of people murdered is 1.4469453376205787781350482315113e-7%

By the way, those above graphs come from you own farking government!
 
2012-12-19 01:09:03 PM

orbister: JesseL: "The NRA is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters - and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown. Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common de
cency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting. The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again."

Hypocrites. The phrase they are weaselling round is "acceptable cost".


if they hypocrites, then so is every single American who drinks alcohol. 40,000+ DUI related deaths is the "acceptable cost" of being allowed to legally drink in this country, and most Americans are perfectly fine with that.
 
2012-12-19 01:10:05 PM
* If they are hypocrites....
 
2012-12-19 01:48:13 PM
Funny, the NRA's Eddie Eagle program tells kids that if they find a gun to:
1. Stop
2. Don't touch
3. Run away
4. Tell an adult.

Remember, when a kid brings a gun to school, it's better to blame a government lobby in Washington than to have responsible parents. After all, those parents are just helpless to the responsibilities of their children.

The NRA is responsible for this like AAA is responsible for drunk driving.

/AA maybe
//but not AAA
 
2012-12-19 09:19:24 PM

Rent Party: kg2095:
Every policy has it's cost in lives.

This is the cost of the current policy.

Link

Yeah, but if gun control was tightened up surely those 11,493 homicides would be committed with a butter knife or a comb instead.


We aren't actually talking about gun control here. We're talking about gun owners controlling their guns so that bad people don't get hold of them and do bad things.


You comment is contradicts itself..
 
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