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(UPI)   Research shows people who drink more than four cups of caffeinated coffee a day are half as likely to die from oral/pharyngeal cancer, or from anything that requires you to sit quietly for a period of time   (upi.com) divider line 33
    More: Interesting, human papillomavirus, American Journal of Epidemiology, U.S. researchers, epidemiology, American Cancer Society  
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2012-12-18 04:55:00 PM
My mouth is cancer-proof.
 
2012-12-18 06:55:14 PM
Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?
 
2012-12-18 06:59:02 PM

meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?


They make you weightless and bulletproof, respectively.
 
2012-12-18 06:59:30 PM
I'm going to live forever.
 
2012-12-18 07:07:34 PM

meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?


Or, like the alcohol studies fail to, control for people who have a medical condition that precludes drinking lots of caffeinated beverages
 
2012-12-18 07:11:38 PM

Ed Finnerty: meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?

They make you weightless and bulletproof, respectively.


Well then, I must be invincible. Irish coffee and a smoke is the breakfast of the gods.
 
2012-12-18 07:12:58 PM
www.uberdevelopment.com
 
2012-12-18 07:15:10 PM
Doh! Wrong thread. I chalk it up to too much caffeine...
 
2012-12-18 07:17:13 PM
Might have something to do with the fact that coffee use increases on average the higher a families income. Guess what? richer families have better health insurance.

correlation does not equal causation.
 
2012-12-18 07:17:46 PM

pivazena: meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?

Or, like the alcohol studies fail to, control for people who have a medical condition that precludes drinking lots of caffeinated beverages


Is that a reference to the recent one that said moderate alcohol consumption was linked to a longer life that did not exclude those that cannot drink due to medical concerns or AA criticized as not considering those that had been alcoholics but now do not drink but still have lasting health problems?
 
2012-12-18 07:33:27 PM

meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?


mrlewish: Might have something to do with the fact that coffee use increases on average the higher a families income. Guess what? richer families have better health insurance.


Of course not. Experienced epidemiologists never think of those kind of things. Especially the tobacco use thing, because nobody at the American Cancer Society is aware that tobacco might influence cancer rates. Fortunately, they are obvious to Random Internet Guy, who is here to point them out.

FTFA: Lead author Janet Hildebrand, an epidemiologist and population expert with the American Cancer Society, and colleagues analyzed coffee and tea consumption among people enrolled in the Cancer Prevention Study II, a study begun in 1982 by the American Cancer Society.
...
No significant link was found for decaffeinated coffee, and no link at all for tea, the study said.


So is your hypothesis that drinking caffeinated coffee is correlated with higher income, but decaf and tea are not? Or that caffeinated coffee drinkers smoke and drink less than decaf and tea drinkers?

correlation does not equal causation.

Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.
 
2012-12-18 07:35:51 PM

czetie: meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?

mrlewish: Might have something to do with the fact that coffee use increases on average the higher a families income. Guess what? richer families have better health insurance.

Of course not. Experienced epidemiologists never think of those kind of things. Especially the tobacco use thing, because nobody at the American Cancer Society is aware that tobacco might influence cancer rates. Fortunately, they are obvious to Random Internet Guy, who is here to point them out.

FTFA: Lead author Janet Hildebrand, an epidemiologist and population expert with the American Cancer Society, and colleagues analyzed coffee and tea consumption among people enrolled in the Cancer Prevention Study II, a study begun in 1982 by the American Cancer Society.
...
No significant link was found for decaffeinated coffee, and no link at all for tea, the study said.

So is your hypothesis that drinking caffeinated coffee is correlated with higher income, but decaf and tea are not? Or that caffeinated coffee drinkers smoke and drink less than decaf and tea drinkers?

correlation does not equal causation.

Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.


I probably should have just asked for a link to the actual study so I could see for myself, rather than pose a simple question; but I've gotten discouraged when searching Google Scholar, because so much research is behind a paywall :(.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:09 PM
I never really drank coffee as a "thing" until about three years ago. I sometimes bought the usual Second Cup/Starbucks dreck but then I tried coffee from an automatic machine, the kind that grinds the beans, not the little cup thingies. It just tasted so good I bought my own machine. So now I go on these espresso/Earl Grey binges that worry my coworkers, mostly because it doesn't seem to affect my mood at all.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:25 PM

Ed Finnerty: My mouth is cancer-proof.


MINE HAS NEGGGATIVE 5 CANCERS!!1 W00T!!!!!
 
2012-12-18 08:08:04 PM
Well, I'm in good shape then... A few times over.

Quantum Apostrophe:

"I never really drank coffee as a "thing" until about three years ago. I sometimes bought the usual Second Cup/Starbucks dreck but then I tried coffee from an automatic machine, the kind that grinds the beans, not the little cup thingies. It just tasted so good I bought my own machine. So now I go on these espresso/Earl Grey binges that worry my coworkers, mostly because it doesn't seem to affect my mood at all."

No worries. There will be a pill or a dietary regime to fix whatever.
 
2012-12-18 08:14:55 PM

maxheck: Well, I'm in good shape then... A few times over.

Quantum Apostrophe:

"I never really drank coffee as a "thing" until about three years ago. I sometimes bought the usual Second Cup/Starbucks dreck but then I tried coffee from an automatic machine, the kind that grinds the beans, not the little cup thingies. It just tasted so good I bought my own machine. So now I go on these espresso/Earl Grey binges that worry my coworkers, mostly because it doesn't seem to affect my mood at all."

No worries. There will be a pill or a dietary regime to fix whatever.


Why not? It's all molecules, unless there are some molecules that are just so hard to understand that all our computers together will never ever figure them out. Those computers will, however, figure out warp drives powered by more energy than the Sun puts out and made of imaginary matter. Just a few weeks away.
 
2012-12-18 08:24:59 PM
You're drunk, Quantum Apostrophe... go to bed.
 
2012-12-18 08:27:26 PM

czetie: correlation does not equal causation.

 
Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.
 
 
That doesn't make any sense.  How does using a phrase cause you to become stupider?
 
2012-12-18 09:09:50 PM

maxheck: You're drunk, Quantum Apostrophe... go to bed.


The Space Nutter's rebuttal. Fearsome in its intellectual depth and logical rigor.  Like being slapped by month-old celery from the bottom of the lettuce bin.

So, when can I get a ride on your 3D printed warp drive to your Mars condo? Sorry, is it Space Elevator week this week? Oh, which magical material do we need to wait for? Is it impossible tensile strength graphite nanotubes or non-existent negative energy particles? Oh do tell! I am on tenterhooks.

/Where you born in a hospital?
//Ever been vaccinated?
///Ever use antibiotics?
////GASP! YOU'RE ALREADY LIVING LONGER! AAAAARRRGHHHHH!!!!
 
2012-12-18 09:22:12 PM

BigLuca: czetie: correlation does not equal causation.
 
Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.
 
 
That doesn't make any sense.  How does using a phrase cause you to become stupider?


Far too many people use it to dismiss evidence that conflicts with their pre-existing worldview.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:36 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Why not? It's all molecules, unless there are some molecules that are just so hard to understand that all our computers together will never ever figure them out. Those computers will, however, figure out warp drives powered by more energy than the Sun puts out and made of imaginary matter. Just a few weeks away.

That's

the reason God allowed us to evolve the 3D printer and CERN. I'm tellin ya. Oh, the things God confesses to on a bender...
 
2012-12-18 09:42:48 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: The Space Nutter's rebuttal.


No, you're just a really boring one-trick pony. And, since you like quantum, you're going into my Schrödinger's List. You may or may not be ignored, and the general act of trying to ascertain whether or not you are may possibly change that state.
 
Plonk?
 
2012-12-18 09:45:12 PM

meat0918: BigLuca: czetie: correlation does not equal causation.
Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.
 
That doesn't make any sense.  How does using a phrase cause you to become stupider?

 
Far too many people use it to dismiss evidence that conflicts with their pre-existing worldview.
 
So you are saying that the phrase doesn't actually make people stupid, but it's use is associated with people that are stupid in the first place?  I wish we had a better way of saying that...
 
sorry, my attempt at humor.
 
2012-12-18 09:53:41 PM
So maybe my half can of chew per day and approx. pot of coffee per day will average out?
 
2012-12-18 10:40:38 PM

Gonz: Quantum Apostrophe: The Space Nutter's rebuttal.

No, you're just a really boring one-trick pony. And, since you like quantum, you're going into my Schrödinger's List. You may or may not be ignored, and the general act of trying to ascertain whether or not you are may possibly change that state.
 
Plonk?


Oh god no, not that. Depends, are you a boring one-trick "the species must colonize the universe with a lifeform that falls apart in a few decades" space pony?
 
2012-12-18 11:22:53 PM
Quantum Apostrophe:

Gonz: Quantum Apostrophe: The Space Nutter's rebuttal.

No, you're just a really boring one-trick pony. And, since you like quantum, you're going into my Schrödinger's List. You may or may not be ignored, and the general act of trying to ascertain whether or not you are may possibly change that state.

Plonk?

Oh god no, not that. Depends, are you a boring one-trick "the species must colonize the universe with a lifeform that falls apart in a few decades" space pony?


(looks around the thread) Ummm... I see exactly one person known for one-trick-nuttery. The one guy for whom *even before he shows up* everyone says "Oh crud... Here comes the nutter..."
 
2012-12-18 11:29:48 PM
I'm pretty sure eating out all those Thai whores has cancelled out the coffee.
 
2012-12-19 01:47:41 AM
"Caffeinated coffee"? Is that like "proteinated beef"?
 
2012-12-19 01:54:10 AM

meat0918: Did they control for tobacco and alcohol use?


first question.
 
2012-12-19 06:05:41 AM

maxheck: The one guy for whom *even before he shows up* everyone says "Oh crud... Here comes the Life Extention nutter..."

(ftfy)

Hey! That's not true. I think QA raises a bigger point that is actually incredibly valid: we should maybe concentrate more on fixing unneeded death and suffering here, before we go smite some other world with the same disease.

We do, indeed, have the technology, but most are blinded by the space race of Regancy, that things like the discovery of the higgs boson was delayed by more than a decade, because "we have to be seen to be cooperating with the Russians, Mr President".

If the ISS hadn't had to happen because of this BS PC crapshoot that got us some fiiiiiish iiiiiin spaaaaaaace, we'd have had a decade of understanding the new physics already.

I'm not a NASA-funding fundie. I applaud all scientific endeavour. I love the fact that space flight is picking up pace.

I also look at a world with some serious, serious problems. None of which are going away any time soon because "we don't have the money in our budget" Universal Health care, population control, The ever-burgeoning Mental Heath crisis. There are lots that I'm deliberately not mentioning, as to avoid being branded a troll/flame baiter, but you know exactly the problems I mean.

QA, I'll admit, has his own unique method of attempting to open discussion on these subjects, but any method that opens up discussion on what seems to be an off-limits, or 'taboo' subject, is a good one IMHO.

Challenging accepted norms in the name of progression is a noble fight, and whilst I may snark QA from time to time, he's quite snark-proof and good humoured, and is no troll. Batshiat, maybe, but it's the one's who've cracked that the light shines through.
 
2012-12-19 07:24:40 AM

BigLuca: czetie: correlation does not equal causation.
 
Using this expression has rapidly become a badge of stupidity -- and not just any kind of stupidity, but that special kind of stupidity that thinks it is smart.
 
 
That doesn't make any sense.  How does using a phrase cause you to become stupider?


He's not saying that using that phrase causes you to become stupider, but rather that stupid people use it more. Correlation, in this instance, doesn't mean......... aaaaaaaaaahhh, you!!! You got me!!!
 
2012-12-19 10:30:19 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: I never really drank coffee as a "thing" until about three years ago


leads to

Quantum Apostrophe: warp drives


leads to

Quantum Apostrophe: 3D printed


Every time.

Quantum Apostrophe: a boring one-trick... pony


every time.
 
2012-12-19 03:02:39 PM
I have two possibilities in my mind RE: Quantum Apostrophe

Perhaps he is the hateful punk he claims to be. Maybe his wife left him for a NASA engineer once his pecker failed and he became old. That would certainly fit the bill.

Or he's a space geek poking us. That would also fit... The first time I read his profile there was a picture of him standing in front of an Apollo capsule. Go figure.


Whichever way you wanna go, he's trolling hard. Quit it.
 
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