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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   (paragoulddailypress.com ) divider line
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2012-12-18 09:08:28 PM  
27 votes:
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school shooting, then it would be appropriate to increase police presence.
 
For instance, two years ago our local high school was the subject of a very specific, very plausible threat of multiple shooters entering the school through various doors.  Our team was deployed to the school, in tac gear, and placed at entry points where bags were searched and portable metal detectors were utilized.  The (two) would be shooters saw this, and left the scene in their vehicle, only to be stopped by an alert patrol officer who arrested them after smelling marijuana in the vehicle, and locating the firearms.  THAT would be an appropriate instance where a SWAT team might be activated in a less-traditional role.
 
I certainly hope there's follow-up here and the Chief decides his course of action is inappropriate and figures out another crime-suppression idea.
 
We in the law enforcement field get a bad rap a lot of the time, and a lot of the time its deserved.  These types of heavy handed tactics are one of the reasons why.  We must find a way to balance the community oriented service that's so important, with the obvious need for (in some instances) a para-military type response to very specific incidents to preserve life and public safety.  THIS is not one of those instances.
 
Flame away.
2012-12-18 05:00:30 PM  
15 votes:
"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.
2012-12-18 04:46:37 PM  
13 votes:
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.
2012-12-18 08:33:45 PM  
11 votes:
Whoever designed their website should be fired.
2012-12-18 03:48:43 PM  
11 votes:
I was sure this was going to be an Onion article.

I guess after they get cleared by the local patrol those walkers could be given a sticker or a patch so they wouldn't be continually harassed. You know - something obvious like a big yellow star would probably work.
2012-12-18 04:52:48 PM  
10 votes:
Papers, please.

prairiefirenews.com
2012-12-18 03:36:58 PM  
10 votes:
Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
2012-12-18 04:36:10 PM  
9 votes:
yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.
2012-12-18 06:53:50 PM  
8 votes:

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.
2012-12-18 05:52:32 PM  
8 votes:
Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!
2012-12-18 08:36:18 PM  
7 votes:
If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
2012-12-18 08:35:12 PM  
7 votes:
WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.
2012-12-18 07:13:27 PM  
7 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-18 06:53:36 PM  
7 votes:

jayhawk88: cops walking around with AR-15's


Why not regular cops walking around? I imagine people want law and order rather than martial farking law.
2012-12-18 06:41:25 PM  
7 votes:
I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police
2012-12-18 04:22:39 PM  
7 votes:
I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
2012-12-18 03:58:31 PM  
7 votes:
And so it begins. So that's why we have all these terror attacks and senseless shootings.

Police want more control of it's citizens 'for their safety'.

Has nothing to do with gun control.
2012-12-18 08:08:35 PM  
6 votes:

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

 
Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.
 
They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?" The deputy picked my head up and smashed it back down into my hood. I asked again, "Excuse me, why are you stopping me!" He hit me in the back of the head with his pistol.
 
We all had IDs, explained who we were and where we were going. They searched each of us and fully searched the car without my consent. After 45 minutes and several threats of arresting me for random crimes in the area, just to hold me for 72 hours and give me an arrest record, he finally stated that his reason for stopping me was that there were blacks and whites in the same car.
 
I reported the incident to the Sheriff dept. the next morning. They would simply say, "We'll talk to him," over and over again. They would not provide instructions for a process or written report of any kind. This resulted in the larger deputy visiting the convenience store where I worked midnights and telling me, "What did you think they were gonna do? I'm the law," as he slowly strutted down the aisles with his arms outstretched knocking all of the merchandise onto the floor. 
 
Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.
2012-12-18 05:29:30 PM  
6 votes:

BronyMedic: revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"

You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.


Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.
2012-12-18 05:16:06 PM  
6 votes:
This is how authoritarians rule.
2012-12-18 05:15:11 PM  
6 votes:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.


They also have a complete disregard of the Constitution:

Papachristou v Jacksonville. You can't ask someone for ID just because he's out walking the dog, riding a bike, or just hanging around.
2012-12-18 05:13:02 PM  
6 votes:
The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"
2012-12-18 04:38:32 PM  
6 votes:
It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID
2012-12-18 09:41:51 PM  
5 votes:
Hey I've been waiting for this thread to show up! It's my hometown and it's been really shocking to see it hit national news. Paragould is such a 'nothing ever happens here' kind of town.
This has been really depressing but I'm glad it has been plastered across the internet because honestly I wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. I knew they were having townhall meetings over town on how to approach an increase in crimes, but I hadn't initially heard how they intended to do it.

It kind of hurts me to see people call Mayor Gaskill out. My cousin's lived next to him when I was young so I spent a lot of time around him and his family. His son was in my grade in school and was a friend to me as well. Most of me wants to say that this is just a naive overreaction to a wave of crimes (mostly theft, not violent) that has got the scared old folks in a tizzy.

I have to temper that though with the knowledge that Paragould was one of the 'Sundown' towns up through about the mid-nineties. Through that perspective and knowing that the 'ethnic' population of the town has been increasing of late, it becomes really easy to see where this law is going to end up, and I don't like it. Not to mention, that kind of firepower is just gross overkill and intimidation.

Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.
//with middle class parents.
///sigh
2012-12-18 08:59:51 PM  
5 votes:

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS
2012-12-18 05:15:24 PM  
5 votes:

revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"


You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.
2012-12-18 05:03:27 PM  
5 votes:

tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998


I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.
2012-12-18 09:06:05 PM  
4 votes:
This is your regular reminder that you don't get to pick and choose amongst your favorite constitutional rights.

If you are angry about incursions upon your 1st and 3rd Amendment rights, then don't turn around and try to support incursions upon others' 2nd Amendment rights.

The Constitution - We the People.
2012-12-18 08:48:03 PM  
4 votes:

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.

 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.
2012-12-18 08:39:20 PM  
4 votes:

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"
2012-12-18 05:12:08 PM  
4 votes:

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


OK. It's a trace element.
2012-12-18 05:04:05 PM  
4 votes:
Hahhahaha holy shiat... statistics as probable cause
2012-12-18 05:01:22 PM  
4 votes:
And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998
2012-12-18 04:51:11 PM  
4 votes:
This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?
2012-12-18 04:46:06 PM  
4 votes:

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
2012-12-18 03:38:30 PM  
4 votes:
FREEDOM!

/f*cking idiots
2012-12-18 10:01:30 PM  
3 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Papers, please.


Conditions passed that point years ago, comrade.

Richard Roma: The average Republican's ability to whine nonstop about the abuse of government power while simultaneously supporting fascist police behavior like this is comparable to cases like Sybil and Norman Bates in terms of psychological bugnuttery. A brain so discombobulated it could qualify as a modern art masterpiece.


It's just like how democrats whine non-stop about civil liberty violations and the wars until their guys are running the show, then they want more spying, more monitoring, and more regime change.

Policy wise we are entering the fourth term of of GWB and the republicans complain about it in public but they wouldn't have it any other way and neither would the democrats.

That's how this stupid two party WWF drama works. The cognitive dissonance of the so-called average american is amazing.


On another note... What I find funny is as the police state grows around us, nobody can admit the konspiracy kooks were right all along. Remember when this 'couldn't happen here'?
2012-12-18 09:36:16 PM  
3 votes:

TommyymmoT: "Criminals don't like being talked to."


When you have is a hammer, everyone looks like a criminal.
2012-12-18 09:31:18 PM  
3 votes:
The sad fact is that most people in this country don't want to be free. They just want the government to make them feel safe.
2012-12-18 09:24:48 PM  
3 votes:

Insatiable Jesus: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was ...



I won't get fired, just won't get promoted!
2012-12-18 09:20:02 PM  
3 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?
2012-12-18 09:17:16 PM  
3 votes:

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


You sound white.
2012-12-18 09:12:22 PM  
3 votes:
Yeah, there is a reason Adolph did not consult an attorney. He might want to read Terry v. Ohio for starters...
2012-12-18 08:56:00 PM  
3 votes:
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

The 4th Amendment and the Supreme Court would like to have a word...
2012-12-18 08:55:56 PM  
3 votes:

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


The last time private citizens actually took up arms and threatened the government was when the Black Panthers were arming themselves. California responded by passing some of the most stringent state gun-control laws in the nation.

Signed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, and nary a peep from the National Rifle Association.
2012-12-18 08:54:41 PM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: 60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 


dl.dropbox.com

60 rounders are high cap, 30 is standard (altho my bushmaster mag sticks if I put more than 25 in).
Cops can get post 86 fully automatic weapons if they so desire, and losing rifles is not unheard of.


/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists

Thats_the_joke.jpg

/The cops won't give them up, the crooks wont give theirs up.
/The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.
2012-12-18 08:53:27 PM  
3 votes:

dickfreckle: He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer.


I wonder how he'd react to a happy answer of:

"Well, Officer Krupke, today I and dozens of other people are acting as bait on the behalf of an ACLU sting operation to catch police officers that don't understand individual rights and liberties. They provided me with a titanium armored waterproof recording device that both records locally and transmits live to a remote location, and it can't be turned off once activated! I don't have the key to take it off! It even sends my GPS location and monitors my heart rate! If I say the activation phrase, which is 'Officer Krupke', my audio feed is flagged for live monitoring, and if I say the duress phrase, a battalion of lawyers with video cameras parachute out of the sky and converge on my location! Isn't that fun?!"
2012-12-18 08:50:42 PM  
3 votes:
I'm guessing they got all their new toys with Fatherland Homeland Security money.
2012-12-18 08:43:44 PM  
3 votes:

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Yeah, I don't know about the rest of you, but if a bunch of heavily armed guys asked me for my I.D., I'd be pretty scared too.
2012-12-18 08:39:59 PM  
3 votes:
2012-12-18 08:39:57 PM  
3 votes:
pigs
2012-12-18 08:34:43 PM  
3 votes:
i1121.photobucket.com
2012-12-18 06:12:00 PM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...



That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering.  I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering.
wee
2012-12-18 05:45:10 PM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.


The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?
2012-12-18 05:16:56 PM  
3 votes:
This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.
2012-12-18 05:11:32 PM  
3 votes:
If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.
2012-12-18 04:50:58 PM  
3 votes:
Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.
2012-12-18 04:48:47 PM  
3 votes:
They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....
2012-12-18 04:38:58 PM  
3 votes:
In my state cops have to, in good faith, believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime to demand your ID. That's why you should listen for " can I see your ID?", then just say no.
2012-12-19 09:46:35 AM  
2 votes:
Amos Quito/Jgok

Jgok:

/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...

www.clusterfake.net
Well then..


I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral...


Correct.
But there's also the case to consider so it would (probably) be the same for both masculine and neutral: "diesem"

I'm saying "probably" because dieser/diese/dieses sticks out like a sore thumb anyway.
I can't point you to any grammar rule, but to a native speaker this sounds like the equivalent of "I'm okay together with this."
I would recommend "damit" instead:
"Ich bin okay damit."


There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".


Correct, okay is used all over the place.

But in this case a better sounding alternative (explanation follows below) - and the only one I could think of right now - might be
"Ich bin einverstanden damit"
("einverstanden sein" = "to agree", so that's "I'm agreeing [with|to] this")



Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

No. Don't.
Correctness issues aside, most Germans wouldn't even understand this one.
A literal translation of "to be good" in the sense it's used here (or in "How are you? - I'm good.") doesn't exist like that in German.
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." or rather "Ich bin gut damit" means "I'm good at this"


I guess that's also why "Ich bin okay damit" still sounds a tiny bit odd to me:
"to be okay" suffers from the same problem as "to be good".
It's just less noticeable and you'll probably get away with it.
Maybe it's because "okay" is an Anglicism in the first place and people's minds will be nudged into the right track instead of immediately following the "I'm good at.." / "I'm okay at.." line of thought upon hearing it.

If I wanted to make that caption sound more natural in German, I would either go with the above mentioned "Ich bin einverstanden damit", use a different caption like "Ich habe kein Problem damit" (literally: "I don't have a problem with this"), or try something along the lines of
"Das ist okay für mich" (literally: "That's okay for me" or a bit less literal "That's alright with me").
2012-12-18 10:32:37 PM  
2 votes:
The most current edition of this newspaper reports that the PPD has cancelled the remaining two townhall meetings on this subject.The reason?Citizen safety.Yep,the PPD chief thinks it might be dangerous for the
town folk to gather and object to his plans.
2012-12-18 10:20:27 PM  
2 votes:

way south: /The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.


Remember when Congress passed the PATRIOT Act in an immediate response to horrifically violent loss of life?
2012-12-18 09:59:44 PM  
2 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


Can't imagine why anyone would flame you for that. We need to hear about more examples of cops like yourself with respect for personal dignity and individual liberty.

Carry on.
2012-12-18 09:58:56 PM  
2 votes:
When cops presume I'm innocent, I presume they're decent guys.

/respect goes both ways.
2012-12-18 09:57:44 PM  
2 votes:

Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo


Go on...
2012-12-18 09:32:03 PM  
2 votes:

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]

 
 
That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.
 
 
Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
2012-12-18 09:28:07 PM  
2 votes:
Third World problems.
2012-12-18 09:26:37 PM  
2 votes:

Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?



This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.
2012-12-18 09:18:34 PM  
2 votes:

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


I have a feeling I'd be arrested in that town just for having the wrong accent....

/ Northerner
2012-12-18 09:16:24 PM  
2 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


nah, a lot of cops really are good people who go into it to help folks and just get jaded dealing with bs

still, many others are jack-booted fascists compensating for tiny penises/daddy issues

I just wish more cops would live in 'high crime' areas and get to know folks...talk to them...instead of the current siege mentality of so many places in America where an armed gestapo rolls in treating everyone like dirt.

just my two cents, man

can I have a donut?
2012-12-18 09:11:20 PM  
2 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Well, first of all you are a f... actually, you are the wor... wait, everything you said is correct. Jerk!!
2012-12-18 09:10:38 PM  
2 votes:
Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.
2012-12-18 09:05:58 PM  
2 votes:
If I'm walking around Arkansas, the police should stop me. Because I've been kidnapped and drugged.
Seriously, f*ck that place.
2012-12-18 09:00:56 PM  
2 votes:
Sweet Zombie Jesus some of those comments are just awful...
2012-12-18 09:00:03 PM  
2 votes:

iron_city_ap: Sonce I have nothing to hide, knock yourselves out.


i49.tinypic.com
2012-12-18 08:58:52 PM  
2 votes:
So Soviet Russia is now in Arkansas?
2012-12-18 08:56:23 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Sounds like he's agreeing with you. As am I. Note to self: Stay the fark out of Arkansas.
2012-12-18 08:56:10 PM  
2 votes:
So it begins!!!!
2012-12-18 08:53:52 PM  
2 votes:

IHRE PAPIERE, BITTE

2012-12-18 08:52:59 PM  
2 votes:

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


Aww, that's cute you believe that. Take a look at some of the "open carry" videos on youtube and see how well that works out for you when you try to walk away.
2012-12-18 08:48:18 PM  
2 votes:
Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.
2012-12-18 08:47:48 PM  
2 votes:

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.



Right, because what actually happens is going to end up in the report. You'll quickly discover that you had a gram of cocaine in your pants that you didn't even know was there or that you smelled like marijuana or that you were stumbling down the street as if drunk etc etc etc.

I have a buddy (a county Marshall) who went to GA's Public Safety school in Jackson. He said his favorite part was the report writing class, where they taught them to be vague in areas that benefit the defense but very specific about anything that helps the prosecution. He said they also taught him the best ways to manufacture probable cause out of thin air - "glassy eyes" and "smelling of marijuana" are the go to claims - impossible to prove to or disprove later.

Anybody thinking about trolling for a lawsuit here (and I hope you do) better make sure they're getting it recorded in some way the cops can't destroy the recording.
2012-12-18 08:47:07 PM  
2 votes:

PreMortem:
Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.


Based on the article, the sherrif / police chief says that the crime statistics in the area in question gives them the reasonable cause. I think that someone citing statistics for this purpose is a bit of a first, and not one that had been tested in court.

I guess there would be two counter arguments in a trial (and I am not a lawyer):
1) Are crime statistics in a given location sufficient cause?
2) Are the crime stats provided scientifically sound and not pulled out of someones ass?

END COMMUNICATION
2012-12-18 08:44:25 PM  
2 votes:
Now you know why the rest of your world calls your country "Fat Iran".
2012-12-18 08:35:54 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL


LOL! More government control! Don't look at us, it's the GOP faults! No really! Stupid GOP.
2012-12-18 08:33:20 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.
2012-12-18 07:48:52 PM  
2 votes:
What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.
2012-12-18 07:43:44 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.



The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL
2012-12-18 07:07:45 PM  
2 votes:

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


Did you not see where the county is mostly white Romney voters? This isn't oppressive government to them, it's law and order. Now if some punk kid was playing his music to loud or a blah person had on one of those flat-billed hats. THAT's oppression.
2012-12-18 07:01:56 PM  
2 votes:
**Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
2012-12-18 06:45:55 PM  
2 votes:

BronyMedic: Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


One of the few things Ohio ever did right... You get nailed being corrupt enough, they take away the whole town!

New Rome
2012-12-18 05:53:17 PM  
2 votes:
Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving
2012-12-18 05:47:26 PM  
2 votes:

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Someone seent a black feller cross town.
2012-12-18 05:35:47 PM  
2 votes:
2012-12-18 05:03:50 PM  
2 votes:
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said.


Oh, since they're doing it to everybody there shouldn't be a problem.

Papiere, Bitte
2012-12-18 05:03:12 PM  
2 votes:

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


That IS pretty derpy.
2012-12-18 04:57:35 PM  
2 votes:
Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this
2012-12-18 04:53:39 PM  
2 votes:

Raharu: They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....


The answer is clear. We need a war on guns so we can be safe and get our drugs back.
2012-12-18 04:52:24 PM  
2 votes:

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


3) Profit
2012-12-18 04:50:20 PM  
2 votes:

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.



Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.
2012-12-18 04:36:59 PM  
2 votes:
WTF? This isn't how it happened in Red Dawn.
2012-12-19 06:07:03 PM  
1 vote:

clyph: Teabagger/Redstate freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever I like, as long as you don't do anything I DON'T like"


That also sounds remarkably like bluestate/liberal freedom too.
2012-12-19 08:41:30 AM  
1 vote:

way south: The assumption is supposed to be that fewer guns will make me safer.


Well, at least you've explained how you came to such a ridiculous oversimplified conclusion: you started from a ridiculous oversimplified premise. The general assumption is that intelligently restricting who can purchase a firearm and where they're allowed to carry it (combined with broad buy-back programs to un-flood the market) will help to keep guns out of the hands of people who will use them to do others harm. Nobody in their right mind thinks you can confiscate every rifle and handgun out there... that's a BS strawman the nutcases have been shouting from the rooftops for decades, and it's never been true.

way south: When you want to crack down on us, it's always more guns for you.


In a chaotic crisis situation like the one in CT, a highly trained tactical agent with a clear objective (like protecting one guy) can be a positive factor. But there's not a sliding scale of positives as you go below that level of training. An off-duty cop who happened to be there with his sidearm MAY have been able to help, assuming he was in the right place at the right time, from which he could assess the situation quickly and act safely.

But a random civilian who knows how to clean and fire his .38 because he goes to the range for a couple of hours once a month? No farking way. Assuming he could even figure out what was happening in time to act, there's at least as great a chance that he'd get himself (or someone else) killed as he would happen to get a clear shot at the bad guy, take it, and not miss. Now, add a second random armed civilian to the mix: he knows someone is shooting somewhere, but he doesn't know why. People are screaming. He rounds a corner and sees civilian #1 pull out a weapon and shoot at someone. He draws on him and fires. Now add random civilian #3, and so on...

In a crisis, more guns in the hands of random people = shiat show. That's why they try to keep guns out of people's hands at protests and large demonstrations. The chances of "all-out shiat show" go up exponentially with each weapon you add. Except that these days, every pimple-faced armchair internet commando has played Call of Duty in his living room, so he assumes that he can handle himself like an Army Ranger if someone opens up with an Uzi at the mall.

way south: I'll believe that guns don't help when those officers put down their assault rifles and go back to .38 revolvers.


If it weren't for the pro-gun/anti-regulation jerks, the market wouldn't be flooded with these kinds of weapons in the first place. I'm sure the cops would rather have their .38 revolvers back, but since every meth dealer, crack slinger, religious fundamentalist and and gang banger can get his hands on an assault rifle, they HAVE to escalate. Check back in 15 years, when they're driving tanks down Main St. because the thugs have RPGs.
2012-12-19 07:26:09 AM  
1 vote:

Jgok: Amos Quito:

 
OK, that image has been bugging me for a while now...
Eichig != okay
Eichig = oaky (as in an adjective used to describe wine)

 
My German grammar is hardly the best, but I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral... Though I suppose the jackbooted thuggery "this" is referring to could be called "masculine".
 
There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".
"Ich bin okay mit dieses."

 
Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

 
/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...
 
 
i1121.photobucket.com
 
Thanks, Jgok!
 
I used to know a little German, but she moved to Colorado, so I had to rely on Google Translate.
 
"Oaky" was a typo that I didn't catch. Hopefully it makes more sense now.
 
:-)
2012-12-19 07:00:28 AM  
1 vote:

Z-clipped: way south, by your argument, powerful people make themselves safer by "surrounding themselves" with dark suits and earpieces.

More dark suits and earpieces in schools! Everyone will be safer!


It's not silly when the objective seems to be a one sided disarmament.

The assumption is supposed to be that fewer guns will make me safer. So, naturally, I would ask what the people behind the law do to make themselves feel safer.
If their answer is to not only have guns, and not only have guards, but to have the highest level of paid professional security (with armored cars, and helicopters, and mini guns).... Forgive me for smelling the whiff of hypocrisy when they refuse to put a minimum wage mall cop at the door of my kids school because "more guns don't help".

I'm sorry but FARK you mr politician. You help yourself to more guns on every day that ends in Y and you don't hold yourself by the logic that they don't help.
When you want to crack down on us, it's always more guns for you.

I'll believe that guns don't help when those officers put down their assault rifles and go back to .38 revolvers.
2012-12-19 06:01:51 AM  
1 vote:

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x400]

/I'll believe less guns is the solution when people in power stop surrounding themselves with more guns to feel safe.


And I'll believe people can have guns if they have the training and brains of the people pictured. Going by your posting history, I see a water pistol. I don't know why.
2012-12-19 05:48:03 AM  
1 vote:
Amos Quito:

OK, that image has been bugging me for a while now...
Eichig != okay
Eichig = oaky (as in an adjective used to describe wine)

My German grammar is hardly the best, but I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral... Though I suppose the jackbooted thuggery "this" is referring to could be called "masculine".

There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".
"Ich bin okay mit dieses."

Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...
2012-12-19 04:38:53 AM  
1 vote:
Everyone can relax, in a couple of weeks, a month at the most, after there have been no more mass shootings, at schools or anywhere else, the notoriously short American attention span will have forgotten all about this. There will be no more armed guards in schools, no more SWAT teams in full body armor patrolling the streets, no more discussions of whether teachers should be armed or schoolkids given CCW licenses, and we'll all forget everything we learned this time around.
 
Again.
 
Just like the last 52 times this happened.
 
And nothing will be changed or altered in the slightest. Again. Until the next mass shooting in a random mall, school or church by some mentally ill person that "nobody saw coming" until after the fact when everyone could have seen it coming.
 
Again.
2012-12-19 04:11:18 AM  
1 vote:

urban.derelict: If my own mother had been an assault rifle enthusiast you'd have seen this headline in 1995, coming from Philadelphia, PA


/tiptoes away from desk slowly
2012-12-19 02:43:17 AM  
1 vote:
FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

PERIOD.

/SHUT YOUR STUPID [redacted] MOUTH
//GUN-FREE school zones ENSURE the criminal will meet ZERO RESISTANCE
2012-12-19 02:14:47 AM  
1 vote:
Not only are we reverting to "the biggest sword runs sh*t", but we're calling it "security". I'd like to congratulate the ruling classes on deconstructing 400 years or societal advances and wiping their fat asses with the constitution.
2012-12-19 01:16:58 AM  
1 vote:

saturn badger: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around. Which I vehemently disagree with.

Why would you disagree with this? More protection is better. Just curious.


Because its an over militarization with no specific threat. Now, if there was actual intelligence that these officers were in more danger than is normal, then absolutely...put them in extra gear.

As it is though, he's doing it as an intimidation tactic, which is what I disagree with.
2012-12-19 12:33:50 AM  
1 vote:
Eh

Keizer_Ghidorah: Wretched: Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?

There's only more where this came from. Enjoy!

Funny, the conservatives seem to be the ones who want more government everywhere, what with demanding it in women's uteruses, people's bedrooms, churches, small businesses, etc. You guys really like to project.


Eh, both sides like more government, at least when they are in charge. It's just the things that piss them off differ in the "if I ruled the world" fantasies.
2012-12-19 12:13:53 AM  
1 vote:
i23.photobucket.com
i256.photobucket.com 

Guess which ones are called "occupiers."
2012-12-18 11:47:25 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


+1 voted smart. Good post.
2012-12-18 11:14:37 PM  
1 vote:

TheOther: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

[www.paragoulddailypress.com image 124x256]

Imbecilic. Some crankhead with a busted ass .22 revolver who doesn't give a shiat is going to take all his gear away from him. It's like UPS delivering upscale weaponry.



Or do like some Cambodian kids did around here a while back. They would tail cops home and then pop their trunks for the armor and weapons. When they finally busted these kids they had a friggin armory. Apparently they needed to upgrade themselves because of some Viets, and the cops were the ones they saw walking around with what they needed. LOL.
2012-12-18 11:06:10 PM  
1 vote:
"Show of Force" moments are only temporary and rarely curb any crime or illegal activities once the moment is done.
2012-12-18 10:54:59 PM  
1 vote:
Paging Sinclair Lewis to America 2012 - your services are needed.

/Could it happen here?
2012-12-18 10:48:47 PM  
1 vote:
I vote we call the planet Kamino and have them clone HideAndGoFarkYourself about a million times. Then we fire and replace every cop in the country from the bottom up.
2012-12-18 10:39:03 PM  
1 vote:
Lets all repeat the mantra, "Am I being detained?"
2012-12-18 10:24:52 PM  
1 vote:

LittleSmitty: So this is what Freedom is like.

The Teabagger version of Freedom. You're free to show ID and to have an attorney present while they question you when you wake up handcuffed to a hospital bed.



Nah.
 
Normal freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever you like, as long as neither of us infringes one another's rights"

Teabagger/Redstate freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever I like, as long as you don't do anything I DON'T like"
2012-12-18 10:10:53 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: They ALWAYS "resist arrest" and/or have guns/drugs/contraband/burglary tools... whatever the cops on the scene can plant.



I had an employee who was a pretty good kid. He had hair to his ass, played drums in a band that made a little money and was a hard worker. He was walking home one night after having helped set up some benefit show at a local church. They had to move all these risers and equipment from one part of the church to the larger gymnasium so he took basic tools with him, in addition to normal drum tools.

So he's walking home late and here comes Cobb County's finest, asking him what he's doing and he tells them. They asked him what was in his backpack and he told them tools and that was it. It took a week to get him out of jail, cost his parents a small fortune and he still had to plead to possession of burglary tools. On his property list was not one tool that was specific to burglary and it didn't list anything you would expect - like a prybar or bolt cutters. They made a big point in their report about the fact that he was wearing gloves and could not explain why, which he always wore - except that they were fingerless drummers gloves, lol. And of course, no burglaries in the area. Just carrying tools, dressing wrong and being poor.
2012-12-18 10:00:48 PM  
1 vote:

clyph: Fano: In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure


That's because <b>CruiserTwelve<b> hasn't shown up yet.   I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it.



Even I don't like that guy's stance on a lot of things!
2012-12-18 09:57:57 PM  
1 vote:

Heathen: HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

 
Too reasonable to flame, sorry.
 
 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

 
Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.
 
/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

 
WTF is excise police?
Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.

 
 
Heathen, Excise Police are an arm of the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco commission.  Their job is to enforce liquor laws as they relate to liquor licenses, bars, etc.  They also think it's awesome to go around to college football tailgates and homecomings and bust 19 year olds playing beer pong, mostly because they have fark all else to do.  It's obnoxious and totally ridiculous.  I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was one of them.
2012-12-18 09:55:49 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure



That's because <b>CruiserTwelve<b> hasn't shown up yet.   I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it.
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 
Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.



The problem is that in small town departments like that, anyone can call themselves SWAT. It's not like a larger department.
 
People on FARK do not realize how much of a circle jerk the small town police departments like this are.
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No man, thanks for doing a tough job.
2012-12-18 09:44:22 PM  
1 vote:
The average Republican's ability to whine nonstop about the abuse of government power while simultaneously supporting fascist police behavior like this is comparable to cases like Sybil and Norman Bates in terms of psychological bugnuttery. A brain so discombobulated it could qualify as a modern art masterpiece.
2012-12-18 09:41:31 PM  
1 vote:
BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
2012-12-18 09:40:59 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Wow, now I'm impressed:
Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).
Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.
Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.
Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.
Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.
B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould. 
It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!


Wrong side of the state. The Ozarks are in Northwest Arkansas. It can be the Manhattan of Crowley's Ridge, though. Or the Delta.

/pet peeve
//Arkansan
2012-12-18 09:39:57 PM  
1 vote:
**reads article**
 
**dials Attorney**
 
Mr. Attorney: "How may I help you?"
 
Me: "I am going for a walk tonight, would you like to join me?"
 
/Profit
2012-12-18 09:39:31 PM  
1 vote:

clyph: Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?


This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.



It's a shame too. Our communities could be so much better and safer with cops being a part of them, not seen as outsiders to be mistrusted. When I first moved to Atlanta I moved into a crappy apartment complex at first. They had a cop living in that complex because the petty crime and drugs had gotten so bad there. And they all knew him and he knew every one of them. They used to bring all sorts of petty crap directly to him at his door, sometimes they'd be waiting for him to get home - like 5 crackheads actually waiting for a cop so they can argue about who stole whose Oreos, lol. He said the city actually paid for his housing so it was worth the hassle and he felt like he was actually getting to do some good as a cop.

We should have cops in all of our communities like this, that know the people and keep an ear out. Might have ended differently for the Lanzas and if such a cop existed in their neighborhood.

If Andy Griffith ever felt the need to patrol Mayberry with a BAR, you know there was an ironclad reason for it. These guys, I think they just think it goes with the costume.
2012-12-18 09:36:57 PM  
1 vote:

Mikey1969: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.



We stopped paying attention to those pesky "amendments" decades ago.
 
Get with the times, bro!
2012-12-18 09:34:54 PM  
1 vote:
Things must be really getting meth-y down there is this is seen as a rational response.
2012-12-18 09:33:34 PM  
1 vote:
The large group of people who want the U.S. to become Saudi Arabia is getting closer and closer to achieving their dream.
2012-12-18 09:32:27 PM  
1 vote:

whatshisname: Third World problems.

 
 
That part of Arkansas is pretty much Third World.
2012-12-18 09:31:11 PM  
1 vote:

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]


That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.



Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
2012-12-18 09:30:39 PM  
1 vote:
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!
2012-12-18 09:28:26 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)

I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.
2012-12-18 09:27:51 PM  
1 vote:
No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

www.paragoulddailypress.com
2012-12-18 09:26:27 PM  
1 vote:
www.celebrities.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-18 09:26:22 PM  
1 vote:

ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.



Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.
2012-12-18 09:25:49 PM  
1 vote:
It's for the children!
2012-12-18 09:25:43 PM  
1 vote:
We can't discuss gun control, but we can sure as fark institute a police state!

/God bless America!
2012-12-18 09:24:12 PM  
1 vote:
Heil Hilter motherfarkers!!!



Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?

Probably not 911 worthy, but it's one of the signs of a drunk driver.
So is a farkin car!
2012-12-18 09:23:55 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.
2012-12-18 09:22:50 PM  
1 vote:
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."


How exactly do you prove you're taking a walk?
2012-12-18 09:19:09 PM  
1 vote:

Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.


 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.
2012-12-18 09:18:52 PM  
1 vote:

thatboyoverthere: Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.

Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?


Your police state has determined that your outrage is not relevant to their intentions, so conducting a so-called "town hall meeting" is pointless.

And, of course, this won't affect the rich or middle class, who will happily drive to where they're buying their drugs and killing their foes - this is just meant to intimidate the poor. In Arkansas, well, I'm betting that most of the folks in that town are poor. Castigate me for the stereotype, but why else would this be cost-efficient, except as an urban pacification effort.
2012-12-18 09:17:55 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


Hate to break it to you... We got that in blue states too. Its a fed law I believe.
2012-12-18 09:16:18 PM  
1 vote:
Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.
2012-12-18 09:12:45 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.


Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?
2012-12-18 09:12:38 PM  
1 vote:
Most people are naturally find actions like those of the AUTHORATAYS in TFA repugnant, nauseating, repulsive.
 
Same goes for things like the TSA's actions at airports, the wholesale confiscation of firearms, warrantless searches, wiretaps, etc.
 
Fortunately for the Authoritarians, incidents like 9-11 and Sandy Hooks actually inspire the stupefied public to BEG them to take our rights, our freedoms, our dignity, and our liberty.
 
Lucky break for the Authoritarians, no?
 
/Suckers
2012-12-18 09:12:20 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Too reasonable to flame, sorry.
2012-12-18 09:11:48 PM  
1 vote:

utah dude: BronyMedic: It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.

legalize it already.


i'd rather a bounty on meth heads
2012-12-18 09:09:38 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?


If a cop invades a home without a warrant or just cause, I'd say that's the risk they're taking.
2012-12-18 09:09:10 PM  
1 vote:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


tl;dr
2012-12-18 09:07:48 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


If you knew anything about the origins of the 2nd Amendment, you'd know this is precisely what its authors were hoping to prevent.
2012-12-18 09:06:53 PM  
1 vote:
Arkanazis
2012-12-18 09:03:43 PM  
1 vote:
Yay America!!!
2012-12-18 09:02:59 PM  
1 vote:

Diogenes: If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.


if you're out walking the dog, you're not doing anything wrong. still doesn't give the cops the right to act like pricks. how many crimes will happen while cops are harrassing citizens who they know are just minding their business? what happens when a cop doesn't believe someone is just walking their dog or walking to 7-11 or anything else benign? where's the ACLU?
2012-12-18 09:02:08 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Police suck at the job? /Alternately cops committing the crimes!
2012-12-18 09:01:03 PM  
1 vote:

fknra: i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....


Just make sure to pull your phone out slowly so he doesn't mistake it for a gat.
2012-12-18 08:59:09 PM  
1 vote:
This thread is depressing as hell. I'm heartened by the fact that the truly outrageous stories, like beating a guy for failure to produce ID, seem to have all happened in the 80s.
2012-12-18 08:58:38 PM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


From your link:

Officers had stopped a truck that Mr. Carter was a passenger in after someone called 911 to report that it was being driven with its headlights off

Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?
2012-12-18 08:57:55 PM  
1 vote:
i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....
2012-12-18 08:57:21 PM  
1 vote:
As if I actually needed a reason to avoid that shiathole of a state.
2012-12-18 08:57:13 PM  
1 vote:
Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.


I farking hate small town bullshiat like this
2012-12-18 08:55:57 PM  
1 vote:
how in the hell did this seem like a damn good idea

more police patrols, sure, but stopping evryone, and walking around like mexican federales, seems a bit overkill
2012-12-18 08:54:24 PM  
1 vote:

dickfreckle: /I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police


Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.

These farked up southeasterners have a tax and a department for everything but they don't have a 311 non-emergency number.
2012-12-18 08:47:57 PM  
1 vote:
I wonder if there's a veterans memorial in that town that cries blood now for all the blood spilled to protect our freedoms?
2012-12-18 08:46:13 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't the SCOTUS already rule that you don't have to carry ID, you just have to tell the truth about your name and address when asked by the gestapo police.
2012-12-18 08:44:26 PM  
1 vote:
Until we are required by law to carry an ID, the easiest answer is to say that you left it at home. If things go badly and they search you and find it, simply say you forgot you had it on you. by this point, you probably have enough grounds for a lawsuit anyway.
2012-12-18 08:44:12 PM  
1 vote:
i50.tinypic.com
2012-12-18 08:42:55 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


...which means the 2% that isn't is about to get a nice spotlight.
2012-12-18 08:42:23 PM  
1 vote:
Power corrupts.
2012-12-18 08:41:08 PM  
1 vote:

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

 
I'm going to guess someone there needs to call...
 
The A-TEAM.
2012-12-18 08:38:30 PM  
1 vote:

OtherLittleGuy: NSCSB.

 
I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
 
Beats me. (heh)
 
I moved out of that town when I turned 18. And even if there was some kind of investigation, 1987 was a LONG time ago, I doubt those cops are still there and I imagine there's some kind of statute of limitations. And the little matter of proof...
2012-12-18 08:36:13 PM  
1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


Yup, I'm totally willing to be the ACLU's test case to put an end to this shiat.
2012-12-18 08:35:39 PM  
1 vote:

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


Maybe, but hardly as much as you think. The Southern-Cracker law enforcement really has no problem whoopin' the white boys, believe me.
2012-12-18 08:35:29 PM  
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way south: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.



60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 
/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists
2012-12-18 08:34:54 PM  
1 vote:

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
These are the 'assault rifle' versions, btw.  Fully auto; selectable.  Not the semi-auto, pull once- one bullet 'assault style' rifles that normal people get to buy.
2012-12-18 08:32:37 PM  
1 vote:
And if someone doesn't have ID on them?
2012-12-18 08:32:00 PM  
1 vote:
I hate you all a little more because of this.
2012-12-18 08:31:32 PM  
1 vote:
I don't see the problem with this.

They are just going to walk up to you and demand to see your papers.
2012-12-18 08:30:45 PM  
1 vote:
always remember freedom isn't free ;)

1.bp.blogspot.com

i hate arkansas nazis....
2012-12-18 08:28:53 PM  
1 vote:
If I didn't know any better I'd say this is a troll article
2012-12-18 07:50:32 PM  
1 vote:

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.


NSCSB.

I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
2012-12-18 07:48:14 PM  
1 vote:
Enjoy your police state, folks!
2012-12-18 07:17:55 PM  
1 vote:
"This is goddammed strange, Bubba. Everyone I stopped tonight was an ACLU lawyer. You think that's a coincidence?"
2012-12-18 06:50:04 PM  
1 vote:
ACLU Lawsuit in... I mean, raid on ACLU offices in 3... 2... 1...
2012-12-18 05:59:11 PM  
1 vote:
Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.
2012-12-18 05:55:52 PM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.
2012-12-18 05:28:54 PM  
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BronyMedic: Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.

Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


No my assumption is that he will avoid anyone who can afford a locally well connected lawyer. Its clear that he isn't going to go after Grampa or little bobby just riding their bike. He's gonna go after sir meths a lot with the beat up bike and the dvd player under his arm.
2012-12-18 05:24:35 PM  
1 vote:
ACLU travel agent postponing his xmas break.

/fortunately he's jewish
2012-12-18 05:24:21 PM  
1 vote:

i.ytimg.com
"Oh....I'm afraid martial law edicts will be quite operational for the foreseeable future."

2012-12-18 05:18:34 PM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...


Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link
2012-12-18 04:58:22 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.
2012-12-18 04:45:17 PM  
1 vote:
"Pick up that can, y'all."
2012-12-18 04:40:29 PM  
1 vote:
>Reads Article.

Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

Yeah. They pretty much need it up there. The Meth gangs are going crazy at the moment. The most recent one was a week ago,when they had a carload of 15 year olds shot up by a rival gang. Shot the driver 23 times, the other two only got away because they dove out the window and ran for the woods.
2012-12-18 04:37:03 PM  
1 vote:
Would a laminated library card suffice?
 
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