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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   (paragoulddailypress.com ) divider line
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2012-12-18 08:35:54 PM  

namatad: GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL


LOL! More government control! Don't look at us, it's the GOP faults! No really! Stupid GOP.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:13 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


Yup, I'm totally willing to be the ACLU's test case to put an end to this shiat.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:14 PM  

brap: You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*



Nice.  Gave me a LOL.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:18 PM  
If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
2012-12-18 08:38:30 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: NSCSB.

 
I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
 
Beats me. (heh)
 
I moved out of that town when I turned 18. And even if there was some kind of investigation, 1987 was a LONG time ago, I doubt those cops are still there and I imagine there's some kind of statute of limitations. And the little matter of proof...
 
2012-12-18 08:39:20 PM  

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"
 
2012-12-18 08:39:57 PM  
pigs
 
2012-12-18 08:39:59 PM  
 
2012-12-18 08:41:02 PM  

BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.


They should outlaw that stuff.
 
2012-12-18 08:41:08 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

 
I'm going to guess someone there needs to call...
 
The A-TEAM.
 
2012-12-18 08:41:43 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Meth and the drug trade.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:23 PM  
Power corrupts.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


...which means the 2% that isn't is about to get a nice spotlight.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:00 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas



I'm gonna say they're preparing to apply to become a sister city to Detroit or Chicago?
 
/got nothing
 
2012-12-18 08:43:06 PM  
www.teapartytribune.com

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
 
2012-12-18 08:43:15 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.



Because racism.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:17 PM  

Jackson Herring: It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID


oh STFU

 
2012-12-18 08:43:20 PM  

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.




Didn't they see the Faces of Meth?
 
2012-12-18 08:43:44 PM  

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Yeah, I don't know about the rest of you, but if a bunch of heavily armed guys asked me for my I.D., I'd be pretty scared too.
 
2012-12-18 08:44:12 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 08:44:25 PM  
Now you know why the rest of your world calls your country "Fat Iran".
 
2012-12-18 08:44:26 PM  
Until we are required by law to carry an ID, the easiest answer is to say that you left it at home. If things go badly and they search you and find it, simply say you forgot you had it on you. by this point, you probably have enough grounds for a lawsuit anyway.
 
2012-12-18 08:45:39 PM  
Attorney Curtis Hitt of the law firm of Hitt and Kidd

This is totally fake
 
2012-12-18 08:46:08 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


A new black family moved into town. It's the standard Arkansas response.
 
2012-12-18 08:46:13 PM  
Didn't the SCOTUS already rule that you don't have to carry ID, you just have to tell the truth about your name and address when asked by the gestapo police.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:07 PM  

PreMortem:
Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.


Based on the article, the sherrif / police chief says that the crime statistics in the area in question gives them the reasonable cause. I think that someone citing statistics for this purpose is a bit of a first, and not one that had been tested in court.

I guess there would be two counter arguments in a trial (and I am not a lawyer):
1) Are crime statistics in a given location sufficient cause?
2) Are the crime stats provided scientifically sound and not pulled out of someones ass?

END COMMUNICATION
 
2012-12-18 08:47:11 PM  

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


You don't need PC to stop someone.

Link
 
2012-12-18 08:47:47 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"



So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?
 
2012-12-18 08:47:48 PM  

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.



Right, because what actually happens is going to end up in the report. You'll quickly discover that you had a gram of cocaine in your pants that you didn't even know was there or that you smelled like marijuana or that you were stumbling down the street as if drunk etc etc etc.

I have a buddy (a county Marshall) who went to GA's Public Safety school in Jackson. He said his favorite part was the report writing class, where they taught them to be vague in areas that benefit the defense but very specific about anything that helps the prosecution. He said they also taught him the best ways to manufacture probable cause out of thin air - "glassy eyes" and "smelling of marijuana" are the go to claims - impossible to prove to or disprove later.

Anybody thinking about trolling for a lawsuit here (and I hope you do) better make sure they're getting it recorded in some way the cops can't destroy the recording.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:51 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving


Actually, that would be New York. They need SOMEONE that doesn't work for the government to live there so they can pay the taxes to pay them...
 
2012-12-18 08:47:52 PM  
Wow, now I'm impressed:

Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).

Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.

Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.

Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.

Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.

B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould.
 

It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!
 
2012-12-18 08:47:57 PM  
I wonder if there's a veterans memorial in that town that cries blood now for all the blood spilled to protect our freedoms?
 
2012-12-18 08:48:03 PM  

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.

 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.
 
2012-12-18 08:48:18 PM  
Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.
 
2012-12-18 08:49:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.


Good thing you can't buy Sudafed without showing ID.
 
2012-12-18 08:50:42 PM  
I'm guessing they got all their new toys with Fatherland Homeland Security money.
 
2012-12-18 08:51:49 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7492612/81378675#c81378675" target="_blank">Honest Bender</a>:</b> <i>Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.</i>

Now, let me tell you what would happen if you did that in Paragould.

<img src="http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ogEvgD8Rwgg/0.jpg">

Paragould police are not nice people.
 
2012-12-18 08:52:59 PM  

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


Aww, that's cute you believe that. Take a look at some of the "open carry" videos on youtube and see how well that works out for you when you try to walk away.
 
2012-12-18 08:53:27 PM  

dickfreckle: He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer.


I wonder how he'd react to a happy answer of:

"Well, Officer Krupke, today I and dozens of other people are acting as bait on the behalf of an ACLU sting operation to catch police officers that don't understand individual rights and liberties. They provided me with a titanium armored waterproof recording device that both records locally and transmits live to a remote location, and it can't be turned off once activated! I don't have the key to take it off! It even sends my GPS location and monitors my heart rate! If I say the activation phrase, which is 'Officer Krupke', my audio feed is flagged for live monitoring, and if I say the duress phrase, a battalion of lawyers with video cameras parachute out of the sky and converge on my location! Isn't that fun?!"
 
2012-12-18 08:53:52 PM  

IHRE PAPIERE, BITTE

 
2012-12-18 08:54:24 PM  

dickfreckle: /I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police


Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.

These farked up southeasterners have a tax and a department for everything but they don't have a 311 non-emergency number.
 
2012-12-18 08:54:41 PM  

BronyMedic: 60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 


dl.dropbox.com

60 rounders are high cap, 30 is standard (altho my bushmaster mag sticks if I put more than 25 in).
Cops can get post 86 fully automatic weapons if they so desire, and losing rifles is not unheard of.


/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists

Thats_the_joke.jpg

/The cops won't give them up, the crooks wont give theirs up.
/The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:35 PM  
No RoboCop pix?
/GUNS GUNS GUNS! Everybody's got them....
 
2012-12-18 08:55:56 PM  

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


The last time private citizens actually took up arms and threatened the government was when the Black Panthers were arming themselves. California responded by passing some of the most stringent state gun-control laws in the nation.

Signed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, and nary a peep from the National Rifle Association.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:57 PM  
how in the hell did this seem like a damn good idea

more police patrols, sure, but stopping evryone, and walking around like mexican federales, seems a bit overkill
 
2012-12-18 08:56:00 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

The 4th Amendment and the Supreme Court would like to have a word...
 
2012-12-18 08:56:10 PM  
So it begins!!!!
 
2012-12-18 08:56:23 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Sounds like he's agreeing with you. As am I. Note to self: Stay the fark out of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:13 PM  
Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.


I farking hate small town bullshiat like this
 
2012-12-18 08:57:21 PM  
As if I actually needed a reason to avoid that shiathole of a state.
 
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