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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   (paragoulddailypress.com) divider line 549
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2012-12-18 05:29:30 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"

You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.


Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:47 PM  
 
2012-12-18 05:44:15 PM  

brigid_fitch: BronyMedic: thomps: Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link

 

FTWiki: "Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement."

Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.

What would they gain by giving your name unless they already knew the suspects name and wanted to weed you out? If they don't have a name to eliminate you, I would think you can and should deny them.

It's more likely they want to run you for warrants, priors, etc... all the while watching to see if you get all fidgety.
 
wee
2012-12-18 05:45:10 PM  

BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.


The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?
 
2012-12-18 05:47:26 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Someone seent a black feller cross town.
 
2012-12-18 05:52:32 PM  
Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!
 
2012-12-18 05:53:17 PM  
Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving
 
2012-12-18 05:55:52 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:54 PM  

vernonFL: Mopery laws.


Who exposed themselves to a blind person?
 
2012-12-18 05:59:11 PM  
Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 06:12:00 PM  

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...



That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering.  I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering. 
 
2012-12-18 06:12:59 PM  

wee: BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.

The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?


I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.

revrendjim: Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.


The farked up thing? Supposedly in talking with people in that area, he whole thing was caught on the squad car camera, and it went down exactly as they said it did. Double-jointed guy slid out of the cuffs, and popped himself in the face.
 
2012-12-18 06:24:45 PM  

BronyMedic: thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

That IS pretty derpy.


White people don't worry about these things.

Dunno, I don't have a real trust of militia police but meth people get no sympathy.
 
wee
2012-12-18 06:35:19 PM  

BronyMedic: I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.


Ah, my mistake. Carry on!
 
2012-12-18 06:41:25 PM  
I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police
 
2012-12-18 06:45:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


One of the few things Ohio ever did right... You get nailed being corrupt enough, they take away the whole town!

New Rome
 
2012-12-18 06:50:04 PM  
ACLU Lawsuit in... I mean, raid on ACLU offices in 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-12-18 06:53:36 PM  

jayhawk88: cops walking around with AR-15's


Why not regular cops walking around? I imagine people want law and order rather than martial farking law.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:50 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.
 
2012-12-18 07:01:56 PM  
**Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
2012-12-18 07:07:45 PM  

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


Did you not see where the county is mostly white Romney voters? This isn't oppressive government to them, it's law and order. Now if some punk kid was playing his music to loud or a blah person had on one of those flat-billed hats. THAT's oppression.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:27 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:17:55 PM  
"This is goddammed strange, Bubba. Everyone I stopped tonight was an ACLU lawyer. You think that's a coincidence?"
 
2012-12-18 07:23:15 PM  
You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*
 
2012-12-18 07:43:44 PM  

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.



The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL
 
2012-12-18 07:45:31 PM  

penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?


Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
2012-12-18 07:48:14 PM  
Enjoy your police state, folks!
 
2012-12-18 07:48:52 PM  
What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.
 
2012-12-18 07:50:15 PM  

fusillade762: What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.



(There was a pause button for the slide show.)
 
2012-12-18 07:50:32 PM  

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.


NSCSB.

I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
2012-12-18 07:53:30 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:32 PM  

Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.



It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.
 
2012-12-18 08:08:35 PM  

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

 
Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.
 
They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?" The deputy picked my head up and smashed it back down into my hood. I asked again, "Excuse me, why are you stopping me!" He hit me in the back of the head with his pistol.
 
We all had IDs, explained who we were and where we were going. They searched each of us and fully searched the car without my consent. After 45 minutes and several threats of arresting me for random crimes in the area, just to hold me for 72 hours and give me an arrest record, he finally stated that his reason for stopping me was that there were blacks and whites in the same car.
 
I reported the incident to the Sheriff dept. the next morning. They would simply say, "We'll talk to him," over and over again. They would not provide instructions for a process or written report of any kind. This resulted in the larger deputy visiting the convenience store where I worked midnights and telling me, "What did you think they were gonna do? I'm the law," as he slowly strutted down the aisles with his arms outstretched knocking all of the merchandise onto the floor. 
 
Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.
 
2012-12-18 08:28:53 PM  
If I didn't know any better I'd say this is a troll article
 
2012-12-18 08:28:54 PM  
If the bowling ball's done nothing wrong, it has no reason to fear.
 
2012-12-18 08:29:38 PM  
 
2012-12-18 08:30:01 PM  
Oh just like CA and NY now? Sweet!
 
2012-12-18 08:30:33 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

 
**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.
 
**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.
 
 
Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
 
Oh dear god.  It's winter.  There'll be hoodies everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 08:30:45 PM  
always remember freedom isn't free ;)

1.bp.blogspot.com

i hate arkansas nazis....
 
2012-12-18 08:31:32 PM  
I don't see the problem with this.

They are just going to walk up to you and demand to see your papers.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:00 PM  
I hate you all a little more because of this.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:37 PM  
And if someone doesn't have ID on them?
 
2012-12-18 08:33:20 PM  

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:30 PM  

Farking Canuck: I don't see the problem with this.
.


We know.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:45 PM  
Whoever designed their website should be fired.
 
2012-12-18 08:34:43 PM  
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 08:34:54 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
These are the 'assault rifle' versions, btw.  Fully auto; selectable.  Not the semi-auto, pull once- one bullet 'assault style' rifles that normal people get to buy.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:12 PM  
WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:29 PM  

way south: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.



60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 
/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists
 
2012-12-18 08:35:39 PM  

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


Maybe, but hardly as much as you think. The Southern-Cracker law enforcement really has no problem whoopin' the white boys, believe me.
 
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