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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   (paragoulddailypress.com) divider line 538
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2012-12-18 03:36:58 PM
Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
2012-12-18 03:38:30 PM
FREEDOM!

/f*cking idiots
 
2012-12-18 03:48:43 PM
I was sure this was going to be an Onion article.

I guess after they get cleared by the local patrol those walkers could be given a sticker or a patch so they wouldn't be continually harassed. You know - something obvious like a big yellow star would probably work.
 
2012-12-18 03:58:31 PM
And so it begins. So that's why we have all these terror attacks and senseless shootings.

Police want more control of it's citizens 'for their safety'.

Has nothing to do with gun control.
 
2012-12-18 04:22:39 PM
I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:10 PM
yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:59 PM
WTF? This isn't how it happened in Red Dawn.
 
2012-12-18 04:37:03 PM
Would a laminated library card suffice?
 
2012-12-18 04:38:32 PM
It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID
 
2012-12-18 04:38:58 PM
In my state cops have to, in good faith, believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime to demand your ID. That's why you should listen for " can I see your ID?", then just say no.
 
2012-12-18 04:40:29 PM
>Reads Article.

Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

Yeah. They pretty much need it up there. The Meth gangs are going crazy at the moment. The most recent one was a week ago,when they had a carload of 15 year olds shot up by a rival gang. Shot the driver 23 times, the other two only got away because they dove out the window and ran for the woods.
 
2012-12-18 04:42:59 PM

Apos: Would a laminated library card suffice?


thegrio.files.wordpress.com

"I would just like to say I approve this message."
 
2012-12-18 04:45:17 PM
"Pick up that can, y'all."
 
2012-12-18 04:46:00 PM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-18 04:46:06 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
 
2012-12-18 04:46:37 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:47 PM
They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....
 
2012-12-18 04:50:20 PM

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.



Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.
 
2012-12-18 04:50:58 PM
Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.
 
2012-12-18 04:51:11 PM
This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?
 
2012-12-18 04:52:24 PM

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


3) Profit
 
2012-12-18 04:52:48 PM
Papers, please.

prairiefirenews.com
 
2012-12-18 04:53:39 PM

Raharu: They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....


The answer is clear. We need a war on guns so we can be safe and get our drugs back.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:35 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this
 
2012-12-18 04:58:22 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.
 
2012-12-18 05:00:30 PM
"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.
 
2012-12-18 05:01:22 PM
And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998
 
2012-12-18 05:03:12 PM

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


That IS pretty derpy.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:24 PM
 
2012-12-18 05:03:27 PM

tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998


I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:50 PM
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said.


Oh, since they're doing it to everybody there shouldn't be a problem.

Papiere, Bitte
 
2012-12-18 05:04:05 PM
Hahhahaha holy shiat... statistics as probable cause
 
2012-12-18 05:07:44 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.


So you're opposed to it to. Go to hear.
 
2012-12-18 05:08:35 PM

thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer;

(2) Refuses to identify himself or herself; or

(3) Manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object.

(c) Unless flight by the actor or another circumstance makes it impracticable, prior to an arrest for an offense under subdivision (a)(1) of this section a law enforcement officer shall afford the actor an opportunity to dispel any alarm that would otherwise be warranted by requesting the actor to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(1) of this section if:

(1) The law enforcement officer did not afford the defendant an opportunity to identify himself or herself and explain his or presence and conduct; or

(2) It appears at trial that an explanation given by the defendant to the law enforcement officer was true and, if believed by the law enforcement officer at that time, would have dispelled the alarm.

(e) Loitering is a Class C misdemeanor.

 
2012-12-18 05:11:26 PM

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


What racial element? The city is 98% white.
 
2012-12-18 05:11:32 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.
 
2012-12-18 05:12:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


OK. It's a trace element.
 
2012-12-18 05:13:02 PM
The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"
 
2012-12-18 05:15:11 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.


They also have a complete disregard of the Constitution:

Papachristou v Jacksonville. You can't ask someone for ID just because he's out walking the dog, riding a bike, or just hanging around.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:18 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Deal with it.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:24 PM

revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"


You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:06 PM
This is how authoritarians rule.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:56 PM
This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.
 
2012-12-18 05:18:34 PM

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...


Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link
 
2012-12-18 05:20:19 PM

Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.


Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.
 
2012-12-18 05:22:45 PM
I'm glad *somebody* is finally enforcing our Mopery laws.
 
2012-12-18 05:24:21 PM
i.ytimg.com
"Oh....I'm afraid martial law edicts will be quite operational for the foreseeable future."
 
2012-12-18 05:24:35 PM
ACLU travel agent postponing his xmas break.

/fortunately he's jewish
 
2012-12-18 05:27:38 PM
Yeah this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
2012-12-18 05:28:54 PM

BronyMedic: Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.

Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


No my assumption is that he will avoid anyone who can afford a locally well connected lawyer. Its clear that he isn't going to go after Grampa or little bobby just riding their bike. He's gonna go after sir meths a lot with the beat up bike and the dvd player under his arm.
 
2012-12-18 05:29:30 PM

BronyMedic: revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"

You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.


Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:47 PM
 
2012-12-18 05:44:15 PM

brigid_fitch: BronyMedic: thomps: Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link

 

FTWiki: "Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement."

Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.

What would they gain by giving your name unless they already knew the suspects name and wanted to weed you out? If they don't have a name to eliminate you, I would think you can and should deny them.

It's more likely they want to run you for warrants, priors, etc... all the while watching to see if you get all fidgety.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-12-18 05:45:10 PM

BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.


The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?
 
2012-12-18 05:47:26 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Someone seent a black feller cross town.
 
2012-12-18 05:52:32 PM
Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!
 
2012-12-18 05:53:17 PM
Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving
 
2012-12-18 05:55:52 PM

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:54 PM

vernonFL: Mopery laws.


Who exposed themselves to a blind person?
 
2012-12-18 05:59:11 PM
Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 06:12:00 PM

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...



That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering.  I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering. 
 
2012-12-18 06:12:59 PM

wee: BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.

The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?


I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.

revrendjim: Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.


The farked up thing? Supposedly in talking with people in that area, he whole thing was caught on the squad car camera, and it went down exactly as they said it did. Double-jointed guy slid out of the cuffs, and popped himself in the face.
 
2012-12-18 06:24:45 PM

BronyMedic: thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

That IS pretty derpy.


White people don't worry about these things.

Dunno, I don't have a real trust of militia police but meth people get no sympathy.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2012-12-18 06:35:19 PM

BronyMedic: I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.


Ah, my mistake. Carry on!
 
2012-12-18 06:41:25 PM
I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police
 
2012-12-18 06:45:55 PM

BronyMedic: Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


One of the few things Ohio ever did right... You get nailed being corrupt enough, they take away the whole town!

New Rome
 
2012-12-18 06:50:04 PM
ACLU Lawsuit in... I mean, raid on ACLU offices in 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-12-18 06:53:36 PM

jayhawk88: cops walking around with AR-15's


Why not regular cops walking around? I imagine people want law and order rather than martial farking law.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:50 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.
 
2012-12-18 07:01:56 PM
**Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
2012-12-18 07:07:45 PM

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


Did you not see where the county is mostly white Romney voters? This isn't oppressive government to them, it's law and order. Now if some punk kid was playing his music to loud or a blah person had on one of those flat-billed hats. THAT's oppression.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:27 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:17:55 PM
"This is goddammed strange, Bubba. Everyone I stopped tonight was an ACLU lawyer. You think that's a coincidence?"
 
2012-12-18 07:23:15 PM
You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*
 
2012-12-18 07:43:44 PM

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.



The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL
 
2012-12-18 07:45:31 PM

penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?


Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
2012-12-18 07:48:14 PM
Enjoy your police state, folks!
 
2012-12-18 07:48:52 PM
What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.
 
2012-12-18 07:50:15 PM

fusillade762: What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.



(There was a pause button for the slide show.)
 
2012-12-18 07:50:32 PM

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.


NSCSB.

I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
2012-12-18 07:53:30 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:32 PM

Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.



It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.
 
2012-12-18 08:08:35 PM

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

 
Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.
 
They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?" The deputy picked my head up and smashed it back down into my hood. I asked again, "Excuse me, why are you stopping me!" He hit me in the back of the head with his pistol.
 
We all had IDs, explained who we were and where we were going. They searched each of us and fully searched the car without my consent. After 45 minutes and several threats of arresting me for random crimes in the area, just to hold me for 72 hours and give me an arrest record, he finally stated that his reason for stopping me was that there were blacks and whites in the same car.
 
I reported the incident to the Sheriff dept. the next morning. They would simply say, "We'll talk to him," over and over again. They would not provide instructions for a process or written report of any kind. This resulted in the larger deputy visiting the convenience store where I worked midnights and telling me, "What did you think they were gonna do? I'm the law," as he slowly strutted down the aisles with his arms outstretched knocking all of the merchandise onto the floor. 
 
Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.
 
2012-12-18 08:28:53 PM
If I didn't know any better I'd say this is a troll article
 
2012-12-18 08:28:54 PM
If the bowling ball's done nothing wrong, it has no reason to fear.
 
2012-12-18 08:29:38 PM
 
2012-12-18 08:30:01 PM
Oh just like CA and NY now? Sweet!
 
2012-12-18 08:30:33 PM

OtherLittleGuy: penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

 
**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.
 
**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.
 
 
Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
 
Oh dear god.  It's winter.  There'll be hoodies everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 08:30:45 PM
always remember freedom isn't free ;)

1.bp.blogspot.com

i hate arkansas nazis....
 
2012-12-18 08:31:32 PM
I don't see the problem with this.

They are just going to walk up to you and demand to see your papers.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:00 PM
I hate you all a little more because of this.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:37 PM
And if someone doesn't have ID on them?
 
2012-12-18 08:33:20 PM

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:30 PM

Farking Canuck: I don't see the problem with this.
.


We know.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:45 PM
Whoever designed their website should be fired.
 
2012-12-18 08:34:43 PM
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 08:34:54 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
These are the 'assault rifle' versions, btw.  Fully auto; selectable.  Not the semi-auto, pull once- one bullet 'assault style' rifles that normal people get to buy.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:12 PM
WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:29 PM

way south: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.



60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 
/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists
 
2012-12-18 08:35:39 PM

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


Maybe, but hardly as much as you think. The Southern-Cracker law enforcement really has no problem whoopin' the white boys, believe me.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:54 PM

namatad: GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL


LOL! More government control! Don't look at us, it's the GOP faults! No really! Stupid GOP.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:13 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


Yup, I'm totally willing to be the ACLU's test case to put an end to this shiat.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:14 PM

brap: You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*



Nice.  Gave me a LOL.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:18 PM
If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
2012-12-18 08:38:30 PM

OtherLittleGuy: NSCSB.

 
I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
 
Beats me. (heh)
 
I moved out of that town when I turned 18. And even if there was some kind of investigation, 1987 was a LONG time ago, I doubt those cops are still there and I imagine there's some kind of statute of limitations. And the little matter of proof...
 
2012-12-18 08:39:20 PM

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"
 
2012-12-18 08:39:57 PM
pigs
 
2012-12-18 08:39:59 PM
 
2012-12-18 08:41:02 PM

BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.



 
They should outlaw that stuff.
 
2012-12-18 08:41:08 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

 
I'm going to guess someone there needs to call...
 
The A-TEAM.

 
 
2012-12-18 08:41:43 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Meth and the drug trade.

 
 
2012-12-18 08:42:23 PM
Power corrupts.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


...which means the 2% that isn't is about to get a nice spotlight.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:00 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas



I'm gonna say they're preparing to apply to become a sister city to Detroit or Chicago?
 
/got nothing
 
2012-12-18 08:43:06 PM
www.teapartytribune.com

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
 
2012-12-18 08:43:15 PM

Insatiable Jesus: WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.



Because racism.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:17 PM

Jackson Herring: It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID


oh STFU

 
2012-12-18 08:43:20 PM

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.

 



Didn't they see the Faces of Meth?
 
2012-12-18 08:43:44 PM

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Yeah, I don't know about the rest of you, but if a bunch of heavily armed guys asked me for my I.D., I'd be pretty scared too.
 
2012-12-18 08:44:12 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 08:44:25 PM
Now you know why the rest of your world calls your country "Fat Iran".
 
2012-12-18 08:44:26 PM
Until we are required by law to carry an ID, the easiest answer is to say that you left it at home. If things go badly and they search you and find it, simply say you forgot you had it on you. by this point, you probably have enough grounds for a lawsuit anyway.
 
2012-12-18 08:45:39 PM
Attorney Curtis Hitt of the law firm of Hitt and Kidd

This is totally fake
 
2012-12-18 08:46:08 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


A new black family moved into town. It's the standard Arkansas response.
 
2012-12-18 08:46:13 PM
Didn't the SCOTUS already rule that you don't have to carry ID, you just have to tell the truth about your name and address when asked by the gestapo police.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:07 PM

PreMortem:
Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.


Based on the article, the sherrif / police chief says that the crime statistics in the area in question gives them the reasonable cause. I think that someone citing statistics for this purpose is a bit of a first, and not one that had been tested in court.

I guess there would be two counter arguments in a trial (and I am not a lawyer):
1) Are crime statistics in a given location sufficient cause?
2) Are the crime stats provided scientifically sound and not pulled out of someones ass?

END COMMUNICATION
 
2012-12-18 08:47:11 PM

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


You don't need PC to stop someone.

Link
 
2012-12-18 08:47:47 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"



So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?
 
2012-12-18 08:47:48 PM

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.



Right, because what actually happens is going to end up in the report. You'll quickly discover that you had a gram of cocaine in your pants that you didn't even know was there or that you smelled like marijuana or that you were stumbling down the street as if drunk etc etc etc.

I have a buddy (a county Marshall) who went to GA's Public Safety school in Jackson. He said his favorite part was the report writing class, where they taught them to be vague in areas that benefit the defense but very specific about anything that helps the prosecution. He said they also taught him the best ways to manufacture probable cause out of thin air - "glassy eyes" and "smelling of marijuana" are the go to claims - impossible to prove to or disprove later.

Anybody thinking about trolling for a lawsuit here (and I hope you do) better make sure they're getting it recorded in some way the cops can't destroy the recording.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:51 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving


Actually, that would be New York. They need SOMEONE that doesn't work for the government to live there so they can pay the taxes to pay them...
 
2012-12-18 08:47:52 PM
Wow, now I'm impressed:

Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).

Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.

Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.

Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.

Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.

B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould.
 

It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!
 
2012-12-18 08:47:57 PM
I wonder if there's a veterans memorial in that town that cries blood now for all the blood spilled to protect our freedoms?
 
2012-12-18 08:48:03 PM

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.

 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.
 
2012-12-18 08:48:18 PM
Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.
 
2012-12-18 08:49:31 PM

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.


Good thing you can't buy Sudafed without showing ID.
 
2012-12-18 08:50:42 PM
I'm guessing they got all their new toys with Fatherland Homeland Security money.
 
2012-12-18 08:51:49 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7492612/81378675#c81378675" target="_blank">Honest Bender</a>:</b> <i>Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.</i>

Now, let me tell you what would happen if you did that in Paragould.

<img src="http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ogEvgD8Rwgg/0.jpg">

Paragould police are not nice people.
 
2012-12-18 08:52:59 PM

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


Aww, that's cute you believe that. Take a look at some of the "open carry" videos on youtube and see how well that works out for you when you try to walk away.
 
2012-12-18 08:53:27 PM

dickfreckle: He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer.


I wonder how he'd react to a happy answer of:

"Well, Officer Krupke, today I and dozens of other people are acting as bait on the behalf of an ACLU sting operation to catch police officers that don't understand individual rights and liberties. They provided me with a titanium armored waterproof recording device that both records locally and transmits live to a remote location, and it can't be turned off once activated! I don't have the key to take it off! It even sends my GPS location and monitors my heart rate! If I say the activation phrase, which is 'Officer Krupke', my audio feed is flagged for live monitoring, and if I say the duress phrase, a battalion of lawyers with video cameras parachute out of the sky and converge on my location! Isn't that fun?!"
 
2012-12-18 08:53:52 PM
IHRE PAPIERE, BITTE
 
2012-12-18 08:54:24 PM

dickfreckle: /I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police


Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.

These farked up southeasterners have a tax and a department for everything but they don't have a 311 non-emergency number.
 
2012-12-18 08:54:41 PM

BronyMedic: 60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 


dl.dropbox.com

60 rounders are high cap, 30 is standard (altho my bushmaster mag sticks if I put more than 25 in).
Cops can get post 86 fully automatic weapons if they so desire, and losing rifles is not unheard of.


/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists

Thats_the_joke.jpg

/The cops won't give them up, the crooks wont give theirs up.
/The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:35 PM
No RoboCop pix?
/GUNS GUNS GUNS! Everybody's got them....
 
2012-12-18 08:55:56 PM

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


The last time private citizens actually took up arms and threatened the government was when the Black Panthers were arming themselves. California responded by passing some of the most stringent state gun-control laws in the nation.

Signed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, and nary a peep from the National Rifle Association.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:57 PM
how in the hell did this seem like a damn good idea

more police patrols, sure, but stopping evryone, and walking around like mexican federales, seems a bit overkill
 
2012-12-18 08:56:00 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

The 4th Amendment and the Supreme Court would like to have a word...
 
2012-12-18 08:56:10 PM
So it begins!!!!
 
2012-12-18 08:56:23 PM

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Sounds like he's agreeing with you. As am I. Note to self: Stay the fark out of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:13 PM
Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.


I farking hate small town bullshiat like this
 
2012-12-18 08:57:21 PM
As if I actually needed a reason to avoid that shiathole of a state.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:55 PM
i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....
 
2012-12-18 08:57:58 PM
Sonce I have nothing to hide, knock yourselves out.
 
2012-12-18 08:58:38 PM

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


From your link:

Officers had stopped a truck that Mr. Carter was a passenger in after someone called 911 to report that it was being driven with its headlights off

Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?
 
2012-12-18 08:58:52 PM
So Soviet Russia is now in Arkansas?
 
2012-12-18 08:59:01 PM

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this



Very little; the town is 98% white.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:09 PM
This thread is depressing as hell. I'm heartened by the fact that the truly outrageous stories, like beating a guy for failure to produce ID, seem to have all happened in the 80s.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:24 PM

Bathia_Mapes: BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place...


Bathia_Mapes: That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering. I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering.


Better hope your walk doesn't look like prowling.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:51 PM

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS
 
2012-12-18 09:00:03 PM

iron_city_ap: Sonce I have nothing to hide, knock yourselves out.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 09:00:06 PM

GAT_00: The_Original_Roxtar: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"


So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?



Absolutely! With fully-automatic, .50-caliber machine guns and mortars!
 
2012-12-18 09:00:56 PM
Sweet Zombie Jesus some of those comments are just awful...
 
2012-12-18 09:01:03 PM

fknra: i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....


Just make sure to pull your phone out slowly so he doesn't mistake it for a gat.
 
2012-12-18 09:01:11 PM
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.
 
2012-12-18 09:01:36 PM
Strength through unity. Unity through faith. Arkansas prevails!
 
2012-12-18 09:02:08 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Police suck at the job? /Alternately cops committing the crimes!
 
2012-12-18 09:02:59 PM

Diogenes: If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.


if you're out walking the dog, you're not doing anything wrong. still doesn't give the cops the right to act like pricks. how many crimes will happen while cops are harrassing citizens who they know are just minding their business? what happens when a cop doesn't believe someone is just walking their dog or walking to 7-11 or anything else benign? where's the ACLU?
 
2012-12-18 09:03:43 PM
Yay America!!!
 
2012-12-18 09:04:42 PM

BronyMedic: Meth and the drug trade.


They should make that stuff illegal and ban it.

 
2012-12-18 09:05:58 PM
If I'm walking around Arkansas, the police should stop me. Because I've been kidnapped and drugged.
Seriously, f*ck that place.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:05 PM
This is your regular reminder that you don't get to pick and choose amongst your favorite constitutional rights.

If you are angry about incursions upon your 1st and 3rd Amendment rights, then don't turn around and try to support incursions upon others' 2nd Amendment rights.

The Constitution - We the People.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:35 PM
Well I know this can't be happening in Arkansas, because guns are really popular there, and the gun lobby told me that tyranny can't be imposed on an armed population. The story is clearly wrong.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:53 PM
Arkanazis
 
2012-12-18 09:07:37 PM
first they can stop this article and ask it why its text keeps jumping around.
 
2012-12-18 09:07:48 PM

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


If you knew anything about the origins of the 2nd Amendment, you'd know this is precisely what its authors were hoping to prevent.
 
2012-12-18 09:08:13 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town.


Harris County Sheriffs Department had a reputation for thuggery during the 70's and 80's. A few lawsuits have mellowed them out some, I think, but I haven't had any interaction with them for years.
 
2012-12-18 09:08:28 PM
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school shooting, then it would be appropriate to increase police presence.
 
For instance, two years ago our local high school was the subject of a very specific, very plausible threat of multiple shooters entering the school through various doors.  Our team was deployed to the school, in tac gear, and placed at entry points where bags were searched and portable metal detectors were utilized.  The (two) would be shooters saw this, and left the scene in their vehicle, only to be stopped by an alert patrol officer who arrested them after smelling marijuana in the vehicle, and locating the firearms.  THAT would be an appropriate instance where a SWAT team might be activated in a less-traditional role.
 
I certainly hope there's follow-up here and the Chief decides his course of action is inappropriate and figures out another crime-suppression idea.
 
We in the law enforcement field get a bad rap a lot of the time, and a lot of the time its deserved.  These types of heavy handed tactics are one of the reasons why.  We must find a way to balance the community oriented service that's so important, with the obvious need for (in some instances) a para-military type response to very specific incidents to preserve life and public safety.  THIS is not one of those instances.
 
Flame away.
 
2012-12-18 09:09:04 PM

mittromneysdog: Well I know this can't be happening in Arkansas, because guns are really popular there, and the gun lobby told me that tyranny can't be imposed on an armed population. The story is clearly wrong.


Careful what you wish for, somebody who's already "on edge" might just decide to prove you wrong and light this powder keg.

/This is starting to get surreal
 
2012-12-18 09:09:10 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


tl;dr
 
2012-12-18 09:09:38 PM

GAT_00: So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?


If a cop invades a home without a warrant or just cause, I'd say that's the risk they're taking.
 
2012-12-18 09:10:03 PM

BronyMedic: It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.


legalize it already.
 
2012-12-18 09:10:08 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults, apparently.

/ probably not the answer you were looking for
 
2012-12-18 09:10:20 PM

brigid_fitch: Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link



"if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement. "
 
2012-12-18 09:10:38 PM
Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:20 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Well, first of all you are a f... actually, you are the wor... wait, everything you said is correct. Jerk!!
 
2012-12-18 09:11:38 PM

Happy Hours: Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?


Probably not 911 worthy, but it's one of the signs of a drunk driver.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:48 PM

utah dude: BronyMedic: It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.

legalize it already.


i'd rather a bounty on meth heads
 
2012-12-18 09:12:20 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Too reasonable to flame, sorry.
 
2012-12-18 09:12:22 PM
Yeah, there is a reason Adolph did not consult an attorney. He might want to read Terry v. Ohio for starters...
 
2012-12-18 09:12:38 PM
Most people are naturally find actions like those of the AUTHORATAYS in TFA repugnant, nauseating, repulsive.
 
Same goes for things like the TSA's actions at airports, the wholesale confiscation of firearms, warrantless searches, wiretaps, etc.
 
Fortunately for the Authoritarians, incidents like 9-11 and Sandy Hooks actually inspire the stupefied public to BEG them to take our rights, our freedoms, our dignity, and our liberty.
 
Lucky break for the Authoritarians, no?
 
/Suckers
 
2012-12-18 09:12:45 PM

Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.


Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?
 
2012-12-18 09:13:46 PM

You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS


From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.
 
2012-12-18 09:14:44 PM

Raspil: Diogenes: If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.

if you're out walking the dog, you're not doing anything wrong. still doesn't give the cops the right to act like pricks. how many crimes will happen while cops are harrassing citizens who they know are just minding their business? what happens when a cop doesn't believe someone is just walking their dog or walking to 7-11 or anything else benign? where's the ACLU?

 
 
When they came for the ACLU, I said nothing, because I didn't have A CLUe.

 
 
2012-12-18 09:15:21 PM
As long as we don't have to quarter them in any homes in the city, i guess this is on the up and up.
 
2012-12-18 09:15:25 PM
Man, you red states sure love your freedoms.
 
2012-12-18 09:16:15 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Remember, meth users - drive to where you're going. Bum a ride, steal a car - but, for the love of all that is holy, don't walk!
 
2012-12-18 09:16:18 PM
Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.
 
2012-12-18 09:16:24 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


nah, a lot of cops really are good people who go into it to help folks and just get jaded dealing with bs

still, many others are jack-booted fascists compensating for tiny penises/daddy issues

I just wish more cops would live in 'high crime' areas and get to know folks...talk to them...instead of the current siege mentality of so many places in America where an armed gestapo rolls in treating everyone like dirt.

just my two cents, man

can I have a donut?
 
2012-12-18 09:16:32 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Okay.

Ummmm... go eat a donut... ?

Got nothing.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:13 PM

Coastalgrl: Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.


They aren't really that into vibrators.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:16 PM

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


You sound white.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:40 PM

PreMortem: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.


Deemed a terrorist, stripped of citizenship, renditioned to a black ops site, tortured, killed and disappeared.

Finished that for you.

Your family will be responsible for the disposal bill. You're welcome.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:55 PM

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


Hate to break it to you... We got that in blue states too. Its a fed law I believe.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:26 PM

Mr.Man: Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.


I'm pretty sure it's more for your misuse of the apostrophe.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:34 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


I have a feeling I'd be arrested in that town just for having the wrong accent....

/ Northerner
 
2012-12-18 09:18:45 PM

Happy Hours: BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.

From your link:

Officers had stopped a truck that Mr. Carter was a passenger in after someone called 911 to report that it was being driven with its headlights off

Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?


Could be interpreted as a drunk driver, but that would depend on the time. 9pm? Probably just forgot to turn them on. 2am? Probable cause.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:52 PM

thatboyoverthere: Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.

Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?


Your police state has determined that your outrage is not relevant to their intentions, so conducting a so-called "town hall meeting" is pointless.

And, of course, this won't affect the rich or middle class, who will happily drive to where they're buying their drugs and killing their foes - this is just meant to intimidate the poor. In Arkansas, well, I'm betting that most of the folks in that town are poor. Castigate me for the stereotype, but why else would this be cost-efficient, except as an urban pacification effort.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:09 PM

Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.


 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:22 PM

dickfreckle: I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police



the local, if one actually called the police, would have been calling because they knew damn well you were either going to get mugged or beaten/stabbed/shot, or that you were looking to score illegal drugs, guns or sex. either way if someone did actually call the police they knew at a glance you weren't from there and you didn't belong there. my pasty white brother lives in Nashville 19 years. his neighborhood is just plain wrong, top to bottom. i hate that hell hole.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:36 PM
Go Red Wolves!
 
2012-12-18 09:20:02 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...




You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?
 
2012-12-18 09:20:26 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]



That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.
 
2012-12-18 09:20:53 PM
"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."
Gaskill backed Stovall's proposed actions during Thursday's town hall.
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."
 
 
USA! USA! USA!
Welcome to red state America, the home of REAL Americans.
Servile Americans.
 
2012-12-18 09:22:50 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."


How exactly do you prove you're taking a walk?
 
2012-12-18 09:22:58 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.


That's city cops on the mainland.Vancouver Island is an entirely different place.Equating cops in swat gear randomly hassling honest citizens to someone getting hassled over a bus ticket on city property is not even in the same league as this story.
 
2012-12-18 09:23:55 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.
 
2012-12-18 09:24:12 PM
Heil Hilter motherfarkers!!!



Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?

Probably not 911 worthy, but it's one of the signs of a drunk driver.
So is a farkin car!
 
2012-12-18 09:24:48 PM

Insatiable Jesus: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was ...



I won't get fired, just won't get promoted!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:26 PM

Godscrack: Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.


They were going door to door early this morning (3 am), rousting everyone into big vans. I'm sure they had their reasons.
 
2012-12-18 09:25:43 PM
We can't discuss gun control, but we can sure as fark institute a police state!

/God bless America!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:49 PM
It's for the children!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:54 PM

BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.



I did not know that.  I was just down there last year for a family reunion and I hadn't heard anything about the meth problem getting worse.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:18 PM

moothemagiccow: Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.


I called 911 once after I chased 3 people off who were breaking into my car, at least one of which had a knife. They told me that 911 was only for emergencies.

Apparently since the thieves had fled the scene it wasn't an emergency. This was despite the fact that it was their 2nd time at my car. The first time the thief just stole the face-plate off the stereo. They had returned to get the rest of it.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:22 PM

ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.



Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:27 PM
www.celebrities.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 09:26:32 PM

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!



This!
 
2012-12-18 09:26:37 PM

Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?



This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.
 
2012-12-18 09:27:17 PM

Mr.Man: That's city cops on the mainland.Vancouver Island is an entirely different place.Equating cops in swat gear randomly hassling honest citizens to someone getting hassled over a bus ticket on city property is not even in the same league as this story.


Yeah, I'm from Quebec. To me, RCMP ain't city cops. Looks like they are outside of this benighted province.
 
2012-12-18 09:27:51 PM
No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

www.paragoulddailypress.com
 
2012-12-18 09:28:07 PM
Third World problems.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:24 PM
Yeah, there are certain areas of town that pretty much everyone walking around in them need to be stopped, questioned, tasered, searched and arrested. In that order. Sane people stay away from those areas. And the ones who somehow wandered into them would probably welcome some police company.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:26 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)

I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:29 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I won't get fired, just won't get promoted!


Or you'll get Serpico'ed.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:34 PM
Arkansas is a beautiful state. It's a shame it's wasted on the Arkansans.
 
2012-12-18 09:29:13 PM
Just legalize it or ban it
 
2012-12-18 09:29:15 PM

BronyMedic: Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

 
 
I see that I'm not needed here.
 
We drive down I-55 all the time and we swear never to get off at any exit between Blytheville and West Memphis mainly because they're trashy and full of people hopped up on meth.
 
All places of hopelessness and despair. Maybe this would actually be an improvement for these godforsaken hellholes.
 
2012-12-18 09:30:39 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!
 
2012-12-18 09:31:11 PM

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]


That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.



Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
 
2012-12-18 09:31:18 PM
The sad fact is that most people in this country don't want to be free. They just want the government to make them feel safe.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:03 PM

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]

 
 
That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.
 
 
Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:27 PM

whatshisname: Third World problems.

 
 
That part of Arkansas is pretty much Third World.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:37 PM

trappedspirit: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!


That's 9/10 thinking. Think of the children, if mandatory stops and searches saves ONE child's life then do we really need to worry about the constitution? Do you not care if children die you monster?

/This is what I keep getting told regarding the 2nd amendment
 
2012-12-18 09:33:03 PM

Insatiable Jesus: So, when do you get fired?


Ba ZING!
 
2012-12-18 09:33:12 PM
WOW wow
 
DOUBLE POSTIES double posties
 
COOL cool
 
2012-12-18 09:33:34 PM
The large group of people who want the U.S. to become Saudi Arabia is getting closer and closer to achieving their dream.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:06 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


This
 
2012-12-18 09:34:37 PM

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:54 PM
Things must be really getting meth-y down there is this is seen as a rational response.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:10 PM
Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members. 
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:16 PM

TommyymmoT: "Criminals don't like being talked to."


When you have is a hammer, everyone looks like a criminal.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:57 PM

Mikey1969: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.



We stopped paying attention to those pesky "amendments" decades ago.
 
Get with the times, bro!
 
2012-12-18 09:37:52 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)

I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.


Mixed answer. All of our SWAT guys are patrol units that are SWAT as an additional duty. There are no "full time" guys. All patrol units will have a long gun in them either a shotgun or a patrol rifle (M-4) so just because a guy pulls a rifle out it doesn't make him a SWAT team member. We do try and make sure there are a few SWAT guys on each shift so we can have a partial element available at any given time.
 
2012-12-18 09:37:58 PM
I actually live a few miles away from Paragould. This city has had a lot of violent crime lately - murders, robberies, gang activity, etc. The places they plan to patrol are the high crime areas (read: housing projects).

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

Really? Since when did the Constitution and the Rules of Criminal Procedure change just because people are scared? I think that this is a blatant violation of people's rights and expect to see a followup story very soon about the NAACP, ACLU, etc. getting involved and filing lawsuits. The police chief in Paragould sounds like an uneducated "good ole boy" with a "by-God" complex. You know, I can do it because "by-God" I'm the Chief of Police! I'd be interested to see what the Justice Department does with this once the complaints start rolling in.

This good ole boy was faced with a PR nightmare of having crime going haywire on his watch so I guess this was the answer.
 
2012-12-18 09:38:33 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members. 
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.


You wear Sapi plates all day? My condolences.
 
2012-12-18 09:39:31 PM

clyph: Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?


This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.



It's a shame too. Our communities could be so much better and safer with cops being a part of them, not seen as outsiders to be mistrusted. When I first moved to Atlanta I moved into a crappy apartment complex at first. They had a cop living in that complex because the petty crime and drugs had gotten so bad there. And they all knew him and he knew every one of them. They used to bring all sorts of petty crap directly to him at his door, sometimes they'd be waiting for him to get home - like 5 crackheads actually waiting for a cop so they can argue about who stole whose Oreos, lol. He said the city actually paid for his housing so it was worth the hassle and he felt like he was actually getting to do some good as a cop.

We should have cops in all of our communities like this, that know the people and keep an ear out. Might have ended differently for the Lanzas and if such a cop existed in their neighborhood.

If Andy Griffith ever felt the need to patrol Mayberry with a BAR, you know there was an ironclad reason for it. These guys, I think they just think it goes with the costume.
 
2012-12-18 09:39:42 PM
<p><em>As of the census[5] of 2000, there were 22,017 people, 8,941 households, and 6,133 families residing in the city. The population density was 714.6 people per square mile (275.9/km²). There were 9,789 housing units at an average density of 317.7 per square mile (122.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city was <strong>97.87% White</strong>, 0.04% Black or African American, 0.42% Native American, 0.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.56% from other races, and 0.86% from two or more races. 1.33% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. </em></p>

<p> </p>

<p>It also voted for Romney 66-29.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>/just sayin </p>
 
2012-12-18 09:39:57 PM
**reads article**
 
**dials Attorney**
 
Mr. Attorney: "How may I help you?"
 
Me: "I am going for a walk tonight, would you like to join me?"
 
/Profit 
 
2012-12-18 09:40:17 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.


I don't. I just have an issue with the university PD (an actual, accredited PD, not just rent-a-cops) not allowing at least staff/faculty to carry on campus. I have a lot of respect for them, but if someone decides to turn my library into a shooting gallery, I'd like to have something other than my pocket knife (technically not allowed, but they give me that leeway). When seconds count, they're on the scene in minutes. It's just a simple fact of physics. They can't be everywhere at once, and they can't teleport to where they're needed.

The chief and I have had this debate since I started working there...
 
2012-12-18 09:40:31 PM
First, that website is unfarking readable, why does the picture keeping changing size and movieng the spot I'm trying to read?

Second, maybe they should look into the Exile program that NPR was discussing in baltimore to address crime, it seems to be very successful and doesn't sound like a facist fark over of the citizens.
 
2012-12-18 09:40:46 PM
Papiere, bitte.
 
2012-12-18 09:40:59 PM

Vectron: Wow, now I'm impressed:
Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).
Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.
Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.
Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.
Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.
B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould. 
It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!


Wrong side of the state. The Ozarks are in Northwest Arkansas. It can be the Manhattan of Crowley's Ridge, though. Or the Delta.

/pet peeve
//Arkansan
 
2012-12-18 09:41:31 PM
BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
2012-12-18 09:41:51 PM
Hey I've been waiting for this thread to show up! It's my hometown and it's been really shocking to see it hit national news. Paragould is such a 'nothing ever happens here' kind of town.
This has been really depressing but I'm glad it has been plastered across the internet because honestly I wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. I knew they were having townhall meetings over town on how to approach an increase in crimes, but I hadn't initially heard how they intended to do it.

It kind of hurts me to see people call Mayor Gaskill out. My cousin's lived next to him when I was young so I spent a lot of time around him and his family. His son was in my grade in school and was a friend to me as well. Most of me wants to say that this is just a naive overreaction to a wave of crimes (mostly theft, not violent) that has got the scared old folks in a tizzy.

I have to temper that though with the knowledge that Paragould was one of the 'Sundown' towns up through about the mid-nineties. Through that perspective and knowing that the 'ethnic' population of the town has been increasing of late, it becomes really easy to see where this law is going to end up, and I don't like it. Not to mention, that kind of firepower is just gross overkill and intimidation.

Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.
//with middle class parents.
///sigh
 
2012-12-18 09:41:56 PM

LuciferSatannica: This good ole boy was faced with a PR nightmare of having crime going haywire on his watch so I guess this was the answer.



And now he can just blame it on liberals at the ACLU and go right back to being a woefully ineffective LEO. Win!
 
2012-12-18 09:42:23 PM
Why does new FARK hate iPhones?
 
2012-12-18 09:42:23 PM
Soooo...nobody's going to be taking any Ingress portals in Paragould then?
 
2012-12-18 09:42:32 PM

Amos Quito: tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.



Law abiding citizens gunned downed by the police for refusing to produce an ID while out for a stroll..
Yeah happens all the time.
 
/Nozzle
 
2012-12-18 09:42:45 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.


He lives in Vancouver, it's a slightly bigger city. All cities have their problems, no place is perfect.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:33 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Could be interpreted as a drunk driver, but that would depend on the time. 9pm? Probably just forgot to turn them on. 2am? Probable cause.


It's definitely a reason to get pulled over, but I wouldn't call 911 over it.

When I was a teen I got pulled over for no headlights. The cops probably wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk. I hadn't been drinking at all. They didn't even ask for my ID.

That's fairly reasonable. It would have even been reasonable to run my license and check my insurance.

When I see someone with no lights at night I just assume they forgot. It's fairly easy to not notice your lights aren't on in most cities which have streetlights.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:46 PM

Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!


BronyMedic: Why does new FARK hate iPhones?


Wtf are you two talking about? Looks the same to me.

/Is it just the mobile that changed or are you using the Fark app?
 
2012-12-18 09:43:57 PM
I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 

Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.
 
2012-12-18 09:44:22 PM
The average Republican's ability to whine nonstop about the abuse of government power while simultaneously supporting fascist police behavior like this is comparable to cases like Sybil and Norman Bates in terms of psychological bugnuttery. A brain so discombobulated it could qualify as a modern art masterpiece.
 
2012-12-18 09:45:59 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


It was reasonable. I think fark thread degenerate into cop bashing because we also have a vocal contingent of vocal kneejerk authoritarians and badge lickers. In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure. Of course, my experience in these sort of threads tends to revolve around implementation of various public surveillance methods and general devolution of this republic into a jackbooted police state. At least we aren't so far gone that anyone thinks this is a good idea to have undeclared martial law.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:17 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team....


Stop. Making. So. Much. Sense.

/Aaaaand..., favorited.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:41 PM

Fail in Human Form: Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

 
BronyMedic: Why does new FARK hate iPhones?
 
Wtf are you two talking about? Looks the same to me.
 
/Is it just the mobile that changed or are you using the Fark app?
 
 
I'm online and for some reason when I try to post something or trying to make something italicized, it posts the code to italicize something instead of actually italicizing what I highlighted. Even though it gives me the option to use HTML or formatting buttons.
 
It's very annoying.
 
Why fix something that isn't broke Fark?
 
2012-12-18 09:46:49 PM

Fano: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

It was reasonable. I think fark thread degenerate into cop bashing because we also have a vocal contingent of vocal kneejerk authoritarians and badge lickers. In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure. Of course, my experience in these sort of threads tends to revolve around implementation of various public surveillance methods and general devolution of this republic into a jackbooted police state. At least we aren't so far gone that anyone thinks this is a good idea to have undeclared martial law.


Do you have Gat_00 on ignore?
 
2012-12-18 09:47:15 PM
Arkansas' super duper liberal newspaper: http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/12/18/paragould-pol ice-patrols-come-under-fire
the comments are worth the trek
 
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No man, thanks for doing a tough job.
 
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM

fusillade762: I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 
Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.



The problem is that in small town departments like that, anyone can call themselves SWAT. It's not like a larger department.
 
People on FARK do not realize how much of a circle jerk the small town police departments like this are.
 
2012-12-18 09:48:46 PM
Show your ID, move on, and let's move on to the next manufactured outrage...
 
2012-12-18 09:49:43 PM

Fail in Human Form: trappedspirit: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!

That's 9/10 thinking. Think of the children, if mandatory stops and searches saves ONE child's life then do we really need to worry about the constitution? Do you not care if children die you monster?

/This is what I keep getting told regarding the 2nd amendment


I was just wondering what kind of proof, other than a dog, you need to claim that you are walking your dog?
 
2012-12-18 09:49:43 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No flames. You nailed it. Terry v. Ohio says the proposed plan is unconstitutional- simple as that. You want to suspend those rights you'll first need to ask the feds to declare a disaster because what he's proposing is marshal law.

Stories like this make me very, very happy I live in a Deep Blue State.
 
2012-12-18 09:50:15 PM
I don't trust anyone that is "fixing" to do anything.  If you are "fixing" to do something you are not doing something right or well thought out.
 
2012-12-18 09:50:50 PM

Fail in Human Form: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members. 
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.

 
You wear Sapi plates all day? My condolences.
 
 
No no no, we wear them in our tac-gear only.  Our regular patrol vests are like any other, soft armor only.  The longest I've worn my tac-gear was a 17 hour standoff, during which we rotated out with another team twice, so the longest was like...7 hours at a time.  Guy off'd himself at the end too.
 
2012-12-18 09:51:59 PM

You are Borg: He lives in Vancouver, it's a slightly bigger city. All cities have their problems, no place is perfect.


Um, do all women on Vancouver Island look like you?
/packs bags
 
2012-12-18 09:52:06 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

WTF is excise police?
Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.

 
2012-12-18 09:52:47 PM

phamwaa: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team....

Stop. Making. So. Much. Sense.

/Aaaaand..., favorited.


I don't think i've ever been favorited!  I'll try not to let you down.
 
 
2012-12-18 09:53:06 PM

BronyMedic: fusillade762: I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 
Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.


The problem is that in small town departments like that, anyone can call themselves SWAT. It's not like a larger department.
 
People on FARK do not realize how much of a circle jerk the small town police departments like this are.


Out here in the middle of bum fark Ohio our sheriff's dept bought an APC with federal money years ago as their "SWAT" command post. They haven't done a farking thing but sit in the parking lot and rust.

/money well spent *rolls eyes*
 
2012-12-18 09:53:41 PM

Phil Moskowitz: TommyymmoT: "Criminals don't like being talked to."

When you have is a hammer, everyone looks like a criminal.



There are only two kinds of people: Known criminals, and those that have managed to avoid detection.
 
2012-12-18 09:54:46 PM

Heathen: HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.


Sorry got lost in the quote

WTF are excise police?
 
2012-12-18 09:54:47 PM

caddisfly: No flames. You nailed it. Terry v. Ohio says the proposed plan is unconstitutional- simple as that. You want to suspend those rights you'll first need to ask the feds to declare a disaster because what he's proposing is marshal law


If anything this department is going to hang their hat on Terry v Ohio in this case. Temporary detention because you think that a crime may be committed for the sole purpose of preventing crime is supported by that decision.
 
2012-12-18 09:55:49 PM

Fano: In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure



That's because <b>CruiserTwelve<b> hasn't shown up yet.   I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it.
 
2012-12-18 09:56:21 PM

GameSprocket: Coastalgrl: Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.

They aren't really that into vibrators.


LOL. no it's a nice weatherproof bag I got on clearance. She would be greatly offended if I got her a vibrator

/even at 30, sex does not exist.
//tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo but I want to be home for Xmas and I don't have my military ID anymore
 
2012-12-18 09:56:26 PM

Amos Quito: Mikey1969: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.


We stopped paying attention to those pesky "amendments" decades ago.
 
Get with the times, bro!


That would explain why my teenage stepsons don't seem to have learned ANYTHING about the Constitution, and they're both in High School.
 
2012-12-18 09:56:35 PM
God farking damn you, Fark.   Why did you have to fark up a perfectly good user interface?
 
2012-12-18 09:57:02 PM

yves0010: GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.

Hate to break it to you... We got that in blue states too. Its a fed law I believe.


Doesn't really stop the meth labs, does it?

/...they could try and get Johnson & Johnson to stop making Sudafed altogether, but it makes too much money for them.
 
2012-12-18 09:57:44 PM

Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo


Go on...
 
2012-12-18 09:57:57 PM

Heathen: HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

 
Too reasonable to flame, sorry.
 
 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

 
Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.
 
/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

 
WTF is excise police?
Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.

 
 
Heathen, Excise Police are an arm of the Indiana Alcohol and Tobacco commission.  Their job is to enforce liquor laws as they relate to liquor licenses, bars, etc.  They also think it's awesome to go around to college football tailgates and homecomings and bust 19 year olds playing beer pong, mostly because they have fark all else to do.  It's obnoxious and totally ridiculous.  I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was one of them.
 
2012-12-18 09:58:19 PM

Heathen: Heathen: HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.

Sorry got lost in the quote

WTF are excise police?



A quick Google search shows that they're some sort of vice or morality cops.
 
2012-12-18 09:58:56 PM
When cops presume I'm innocent, I presume they're decent guys.

/respect goes both ways.
 
2012-12-18 09:59:06 PM

tshauk: Amos Quito: tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.


Law abiding citizens gunned downed by the police for refusing to produce an ID while out for a stroll..
Yeah happens all the time.
 
/Nozzle



Oh, it's always more than that.
 
They ALWAYS "resist arrest" and/or have guns/drugs/contraband/burglary tools... whatever the cops on the scene can plant.
 
The cops may be stupid, but they're (usually) not THAT stupid.
 
2012-12-18 09:59:15 PM

clyph: Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo

Go on...


This.
 
2012-12-18 09:59:44 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


Can't imagine why anyone would flame you for that. We need to hear about more examples of cops like yourself with respect for personal dignity and individual liberty.

Carry on.
 
2012-12-18 10:00:48 PM

clyph: Fano: In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure


That's because <b>CruiserTwelve<b> hasn't shown up yet.   I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it.



Even I don't like that guy's stance on a lot of things!
 
2012-12-18 10:01:30 PM

L.D. Ablo: Papers, please.


Conditions passed that point years ago, comrade.

Richard Roma: The average Republican's ability to whine nonstop about the abuse of government power while simultaneously supporting fascist police behavior like this is comparable to cases like Sybil and Norman Bates in terms of psychological bugnuttery. A brain so discombobulated it could qualify as a modern art masterpiece.


It's just like how democrats whine non-stop about civil liberty violations and the wars until their guys are running the show, then they want more spying, more monitoring, and more regime change.

Policy wise we are entering the fourth term of of GWB and the republicans complain about it in public but they wouldn't have it any other way and neither would the democrats.

That's how this stupid two party WWF drama works. The cognitive dissonance of the so-called average american is amazing.


On another note... What I find funny is as the police state grows around us, nobody can admit the konspiracy kooks were right all along. Remember when this 'couldn't happen here'?
 
2012-12-18 10:02:05 PM

TV's Vinnie: Things must be really getting meth-y down there is this is seen as a rational response.


oh come on. weren't you in iowa anytime from 1995-2005 when half the state was bugged out of their skulls?

okay. maybe not half. a least a quarter. yeah...a quarter of red rock, man, and do you have any aluminum foil I could borrow?
 
2012-12-18 10:03:51 PM

leadmetal: On another note... What I find funny is as the police state grows around us, nobody can admit the konspiracy kooks were right all along. Remember when this 'couldn't happen here'?


You have to take the "conspiracy people" with a grain of salt. If I believed everything people like Alex Jones says on his daily show I'd be building IEDs and trying to link up militia groups to raise an army.
 
2012-12-18 10:04:22 PM
I may be wrong, but I believe on this day in history, a film called http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GagXIYvnY1s&list=UU03ku8jIfKNgiekcSxg9 0 6A&index=19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GagXIYvnY1s&list=UU03ku8j IfKNgiekcSxg90 6A&index=19 came out. It's the story of a minor war crimes trial after WW2. Who's in the dock? Judges who were on the bench as the Nazis rose to power. These were men in the full possession of their adult faculties and yet, they said yes or were silent as the situation worsened and their silence at this formative stage was key.
 
I am not trying to Godwin the thread but Jeez, this is effectively declaring martial law in this town. And for what?
 
2012-12-18 10:04:34 PM

clyph: Fano: In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure


That's because <b>CruiserTwelve<b> hasn't shown up yet.   I'm sure he'll find a way to justify it.


He was the one I was thinking of while writing the post. Other officers should shout him down, he is the worst ambassador for thehe boys in blue fark has. I n ominate hideandgofarkyourself, to replace him as
 
2012-12-18 10:05:14 PM
Welcome to Paranoid America
 
2012-12-18 10:05:44 PM
Um, the new text editor needs some getting used to by yours truly. The link above is to Judgement at Nuremberg.
 
2012-12-18 10:06:42 PM
Don't worry, Arkansas white people, you probably won't be hassled.
 
2012-12-18 10:08:16 PM

ChaoticLimbs: Don't worry, Arkansas white people, you probably won't be hassled.

 
 
Then what's the point? 98% of Paragould is white.
 
2012-12-18 10:08:45 PM

clyph: God farking damn you, Fark.   Why did you have to fark up a perfectly good user interface?

 
 
WHAT???
 
That interface "problem" was only supposed to affect liters, NOT img.fark.net members!
 
Now I'm REALLY pissed!
 
DREW!!!
 
2012-12-18 10:09:14 PM

gaslight: I may be wrong, but I believe on this day in history, a film called http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GagXIYvnY1s&list=UU03ku8jIfKNgiekcSxg9 0 6A&index=19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GagXIYvnY1s&list=UU03ku8j IfKNgiekcSxg90 6A&index=19 came out.


That was just a working title.
 
2012-12-18 10:09:56 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Even I don't like that guy's stance on a lot of things!


Welcome to my friends list.
 
2012-12-18 10:10:23 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.


Thanks for the response (you, too, SirDigbyChickenCaesar).

I saw something go down at a drug store on my way to work one day. 3 cop cars pull up, two block one driveway, the other blocks the other driveway. A fourth arrives on scene driving the wrong way on a divided 4-lane street (lights on but no siren). He parks the car (kind of, more like just stops), gets out, opens the trunk and gets a vest and an AR-15 out of the trunk. Then he takes up a position behind a short planter. At this point I'm thinking "Okay, this just got serious; he's between me and the front of the building. Am I in the line of fire?" Then the left turn light I was waiting for turned green and I got the hell out of there. Never did find out what happened.

/ CSB

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around. Which I vehemently disagree with.


Could go either way, I suppose. But one of the (irritating) pics in the article is of the chief walking with an AR-15 and a dark vest while wearing khakis and a dress shirt. So I think it might mean regular cops in as much gear as they can muster to intimidate through a superior show of force.
 
2012-12-18 10:10:53 PM

Amos Quito: They ALWAYS "resist arrest" and/or have guns/drugs/contraband/burglary tools... whatever the cops on the scene can plant.



I had an employee who was a pretty good kid. He had hair to his ass, played drums in a band that made a little money and was a hard worker. He was walking home one night after having helped set up some benefit show at a local church. They had to move all these risers and equipment from one part of the church to the larger gymnasium so he took basic tools with him, in addition to normal drum tools.

So he's walking home late and here comes Cobb County's finest, asking him what he's doing and he tells them. They asked him what was in his backpack and he told them tools and that was it. It took a week to get him out of jail, cost his parents a small fortune and he still had to plead to possession of burglary tools. On his property list was not one tool that was specific to burglary and it didn't list anything you would expect - like a prybar or bolt cutters. They made a big point in their report about the fact that he was wearing gloves and could not explain why, which he always wore - except that they were fingerless drummers gloves, lol. And of course, no burglaries in the area. Just carrying tools, dressing wrong and being poor.
 
2012-12-18 10:16:09 PM
Headline from THE FUTURE:
ACLU lawsuit bankrupts Buttfark, AL
 
2012-12-18 10:16:13 PM

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


You'd think with only 25,000 people the town could just save money arresting everyone and putting them all in drug rehab programs.
 
2012-12-18 10:16:13 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


Thanks for the idiotic non sequitur. Or were you trying to imply that carrying a gun would somehow help you if you were stopped and IDed by three officers in SWAT gear?
 
2012-12-18 10:16:36 PM

L.D. Ablo: Papers, please.

 
 
prairiefirenews.com
 
♫ "There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me..."♫ 
 
2012-12-18 10:17:05 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school shooting, then it would be appropriate to increase police presence.
 
For instance, two years ago our local high school was the subject of a very specific, very plausible threat of multiple shooters entering the school through various doors.  Our team was deployed to the school, in tac gear, and placed at entry points where bags were searched and portable metal detectors were utilized.  The (two) would be shooters saw this, and left the scene in their vehicle, only to be stopped by an alert patrol officer who arrested them after smelling marijuana in the vehicle, and locating the firearms.  THAT would be an appropriate instance where a SWAT team might be activated in a less-traditional role.
 
I certainly hope there's follow-up here and the Chief decides his course of action is inappropriate and figures out another crime-suppression idea.
 
We in the law enforcement field get a bad rap a lot of the time, and a lot of the time its deserved.  These types of heavy handed tactics are one of the reasons why.  We must find a way to balance the community oriented service that's so important, with the obvious need for (in some instances) a para-military type response to very specific incidents to preserve life and public safety.  THIS is not one of those instances.
 
Flame away.


Great. I had favorite you as "reasonable cop" for that.
 
2012-12-18 10:17:31 PM

phritz: Buttfark, AL AR

FTFM
 
2012-12-18 10:17:53 PM

Amphipath: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was ...


I Favorited him as SWAT member who rather not be called.
 
2012-12-18 10:18:00 PM
Bwahahahha. I bought 4 AR15s today. I would have bought more but that was all Academy had.

Go ahead, ban assault weapons. You'll just increase my profit margin.
 
2012-12-18 10:18:09 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Amos Quito: They ALWAYS "resist arrest" and/or have guns/drugs/contraband/burglary tools... whatever the cops on the scene can plant.


I had an employee who was a pretty good kid. He had hair to his ass, played drums in a band that made a little money and was a hard worker. He was walking home one night after having helped set up some benefit show at a local church. They had to move all these risers and equipment from one part of the church to the larger gymnasium so he took basic tools with him, in addition to normal drum tools.

So he's walking home late and here comes Cobb County's finest, asking him what he's doing and he tells them. They asked him what was in his backpack and he told them tools and that was it. It took a week to get him out of jail, cost his parents a small fortune and he still had to plead to possession of burglary tools. On his property list was not one tool that was specific to burglary and it didn't list anything you would expect - like a prybar or bolt cutters. They made a big point in their report about the fact that he was wearing gloves and could not explain why, which he always wore - except that they were fingerless drummers gloves, lol. And of course, no burglaries in the area. Just carrying tools, dressing wrong and being poor.


He's lucky. Cobb has a reputation for shooting those kind.
 
2012-12-18 10:19:38 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Amos Quito: They ALWAYS "resist arrest" and/or have guns/drugs/contraband/burglary tools... whatever the cops on the scene can plant.


I had an employee who was a pretty good kid. He had hair to his ass, played drums in a band that made a little money and was a hard worker. He was walking home one night after having helped set up some benefit show at a local church. They had to move all these risers and equipment from one part of the church to the larger gymnasium so he took basic tools with him, in addition to normal drum tools.

So he's walking home late and here comes Cobb County's finest, asking him what he's doing and he tells them. They asked him what was in his backpack and he told them tools and that was it. It took a week to get him out of jail, cost his parents a small fortune and he still had to plead to possession of burglary tools. On his property list was not one tool that was specific to burglary and it didn't list anything you would expect - like a prybar or bolt cutters. They made a big point in their report about the fact that he was wearing gloves and could not explain why, which he always wore - except that they were fingerless drummers gloves, lol. And of course, no burglaries in the area. Just carrying tools, dressing wrong and being poor.



That reminds me... I need to get a haircut.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:04 PM
Why am I out walking?  None of your farking business.
No, you can not see my ID, this is not a police state.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:27 PM

way south: /The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.


Remember when Congress passed the PATRIOT Act in an immediate response to horrifically violent loss of life?
 
2012-12-18 10:21:26 PM
So this is what Freedom is like.

The Teabagger version of Freedom. You're free to show ID and to have an attorney present while they question you when you wake up handcuffed to a hospital bed.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:44 PM

KidneyStone: Bwahahahha. I bought 4 AR15s today. I would have bought more but that was all Academy had.

Go ahead, ban assault weapons. You'll just increase my profit margin.


I hear you can get even more for them in Mexico.
 
2012-12-18 10:22:08 PM

pxlboy: clyph: Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo

Go on...

This.

 

I could stand to hear a little more...
 
2012-12-18 10:22:39 PM
but no one was killed right?

so move along

/falling down ftw!
 
2012-12-18 10:23:26 PM

clyph: Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo

Go on...


:) the safest sex is the kind you have with yourself.

*checks profile*

You rock for being a card carying ACLU member. Joining shortly. Just confirming that it doesn't hurt my rehire potential with Govt. decided to go for PhD and resigned. Long story

what is EFF? Electronic Freedom?

Rock on
 
2012-12-18 10:24:50 PM

sammyk: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

3) Profit

This. I would love that, i would so get a civil rights lawyer on retainer and just walk my dog around the block all day hoping for a payday. 

 
 
2012-12-18 10:24:52 PM

LittleSmitty: So this is what Freedom is like.

The Teabagger version of Freedom. You're free to show ID and to have an attorney present while they question you when you wake up handcuffed to a hospital bed.



Nah.
 
Normal freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever you like, as long as neither of us infringes one another's rights"

Teabagger/Redstate freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever I like, as long as you don't do anything I DON'T like"
 
2012-12-18 10:24:56 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.

 
 
And yet all too often the police quote Terry as if it gives them carte blanche to stop and search.
 
Thanks for being a good cop.  I'm sorry the bad 99% are making you good1% look bad.
 
2012-12-18 10:26:32 PM

badhatharry: The sad fact is that most people in this country don't want to be free. They just want the government to make them feel safe.


They want someone to tell them that they're freedom 'lovin independent patriots. The Faux News bubble tells them that they'll be safe only when the darkies and the DemonRATS and LIEberals are eradicated.

Deep down, though, they love a government that tells them what to do, as long as it's led by a Daddy Figure like Reagan or Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.
 
2012-12-18 10:27:29 PM

Coastalgrl: what is EFF? Electronic Freedom?



Yep, Electronic Freedom Foundation.
/is this the part where we say BIE/EIP?
 
2012-12-18 10:28:32 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.


And as long as there's a non-cop in that review process that all sounds fine. But as far as I can tell, what actually happens most places is the cops make that determination all on their own, with no accountability for the additional violence they will provoke, and no real standards about when the risk is worthwhile. We don't even have predictable standards for the use of lesser levels of force, let alone SWAT interventions. Some departments I'm sure are quite responsible, but it's not something we should have to just hope is true in whatever jurisdiction you happen to be in at the moment, and not something we should leave at the whim of people directly involved in the scenario who have no accountability to the public. Obviously in the presence of ongoing violence there's some leeway, but there are a lot of SWAT interactions where violence is not happening at the time they are deployed, and there would be plenty of time to get a accountable, external decision into the process.

Also the use of paramilitary raid tactics for the purpose of evidence preservation is absurd. Stopping someone from shredding 8 pieces of paper is not worth the risk of injury and death to cops suspects, bystanders, and all the people that get accidentally raided (not to mention the property damage).
 
2012-12-18 10:29:05 PM
Well, everyone's all scared of crazy people with guns, what the hell else did you THINK was going to happen?
 
2012-12-18 10:29:29 PM
Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.

Booking a flight to that area right now. If my math is correct I should be collecting my settlement check by August 2013.
 
2012-12-18 10:29:37 PM

ElLoco: pxlboy: clyph: Coastalgrl: tempted to travel with my silicone 6 inch dildo

Go on...

This. 

I could stand to hear a little more...


I could stand to SEE a little more

just sayin'

for research porpoises
 
2012-12-18 10:29:48 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.

 
Yeah, okay. You have a run-in with a couple of power-tripping bubbas with badges, and you draw the conclusion that not only the entire state, but the entire south is that way too.
 
/not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
 
2012-12-18 10:30:53 PM

LuciferSatannica: I actually live a few miles away from Paragould. This city has had a lot of violent crime lately - murders, robberies, gang activity, etc. The places they plan to patrol are the high crime areas (read: housing projects).

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

Really? Since when did the Constitution and the Rules of Criminal Procedure change just because people are scared? I think that this is a blatant violation of people's rights and expect to see a followup story very soon about the NAACP, ACLU, etc. getting involved and filing lawsuits. The police chief in Paragould sounds like an uneducated "good ole boy" with a "by-God" complex. You know, I can do it because "by-God" I'm the Chief of Police! I'd be interested to see what the Justice Department does with this once the complaints start rolling in.

This good ole boy was faced with a PR nightmare of having crime going haywire on his watch so I guess this was the answer.



We get it; they're black people behaving poorly in the south.
 
2012-12-18 10:31:48 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 

no flame from me. i took the citizens' police class here in my town and found it fascinating. i think more people, particluarly ones that are suspicious of the police should do the same. your post was pretty even keeled and expressed a lot of what i learned in that class.
 
2012-12-18 10:32:37 PM
The most current edition of this newspaper reports that the PPD has cancelled the remaining two townhall meetings on this subject.The reason?Citizen safety.Yep,the PPD chief thinks it might be dangerous for the
town folk to gather and object to his plans.
 
2012-12-18 10:33:54 PM
prairiefirenews.com

I can't believe you guys got me a birthday card. Aw shucks.
 
2012-12-18 10:34:01 PM

sweet-daddy-2: The most current edition of this newspaper reports that the PPD has cancelled the remaining two townhall meetings on this subject.The reason?Citizen safety.Yep,the PPD chief thinks it might be dangerous for the
town folk to gather and object to his plans.



And he's right!
 
Who could argue with that?
 
2012-12-18 10:34:54 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Well, I try my best to be reasonable. I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.

Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is. The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


I've run into some real douchebags of cops, and some really, really awesome cops, but thanks for being honest and it would seem not getting the attitude that some police do of everything being "us vs. everyone." It's niceto be reminded of the good cops out there after the shiat I read about on Fark.

/i have family and friends that are/were good cops
//also worked with a few at various jobs
///still, it's easy to make blanket statements after reading too many articles...
 
2012-12-18 10:36:36 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]

 
Awesome.
 
2012-12-18 10:37:02 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: caddisfly: No flames. You nailed it. Terry v. Ohio says the proposed plan is unconstitutional- simple as that. You want to suspend those rights you'll first need to ask the feds to declare a disaster because what he's proposing is marshal law

If anything this department is going to hang their hat on Terry v Ohio in this case. Temporary detention because you think that a crime may be committed for the sole purpose of preventing crime is supported by that decision.


No, Terry requires specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion that the object of the search is, has or is about to commit a crime. "Walking in a crappy neighborhood" may be articulable, but it is not specific; it doesn't distinguish the object from every other person that is walking around. This is waaaaaay outside Terry.
 
2012-12-18 10:37:40 PM
There are lots of cool cops out there.

/only the bad ones get the news.
 
2012-12-18 10:39:03 PM
Lets all repeat the mantra, "Am I being detained?"
 
2012-12-18 10:39:21 PM
On the other hand, if you are not worried about evidence getting suppressed (Mayor Guiani, looking at you) then you don't care about Terry.

/Except maybe a civil rights suit or two
 
2012-12-18 10:39:31 PM

clyph: Coastalgrl: what is EFF? Electronic Freedom?


Yep, Electronic Freedom Foundation.
/is this the part where we say BIE/EIP?


So, I totally looked up BIE in urban dictionary and it defined the acronym and then stated the following "frequently used on Fark.com"

Long time lurker, slow on uptake.

I'll put EIP up in a min. Sure would love to chat.
 
2012-12-18 10:41:04 PM

Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!



You'll get over it?
 
2012-12-18 10:41:19 PM

PreMortem: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.


Better than Vegas, they just shoot you.
 
2012-12-18 10:42:16 PM

Happy Hours: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Could be interpreted as a drunk driver, but that would depend on the time. 9pm? Probably just forgot to turn them on. 2am? Probable cause.

It's definitely a reason to get pulled over, but I wouldn't call 911 over it.


True, but I would if I also noticed any swerving.

When I was a teen I got pulled over for no headlights. The cops probably wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk. I hadn't been drinking at all. They didn't even ask for my ID.

I got pulled over for one burned out headlight. It was around 2am, so I can understand. I was DD that night, so the whole thing wasn't a problem. Didn't even get a fix-it ticket.
 
2012-12-18 10:44:39 PM
brap
Amos Quito:


i.imgur.com
That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.


Are you sure it didn't make you larch?

/ whoever made this must have typed "oaky" instead of "okay" into the translator
 
2012-12-18 10:45:44 PM

caddisfly: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...

No flames. You nailed it. Terry v. Ohio says the proposed plan is unconstitutional- simple as that. You want to suspend those rights you'll first need to ask the feds to declare a disaster because what he's proposing is marshal law.

Stories like this make me very, very happy I live in a Deep Blue State.


George Marshall has his own law?
 
2012-12-18 10:47:47 PM

mittromneysdog: Well I know this can't be happening in Arkansas, because guns are really popular there, and the gun lobby told me that tyranny can't be imposed on an armed population. The story is clearly wrong.


I think you have finally gotten through to them so they are leaving it to the professionals. Besides, tyranny? Really? Do you want more children to die? I can't believe you would choose your own comforts over the lives of children. You people make me sick. It's two minutes of your time. And it will save the children.

/children
 
2012-12-18 10:48:36 PM

davidphogan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Well, I try my best to be reasonable. I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.

Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is. The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

I've run into some real douchebags of cops, and some really, really awesome cops, but thanks for being honest and it would seem not getting the attitude that some police do of everything being "us vs. everyone." It's niceto be reminded of the good cops out there after the shiat I read about on Fark.

/i have family and friends that are/were good cops
//also worked with a few at various jobs
///still, it's easy to make blanket statements after reading too many articles...


He's probably not a good cop, he's just not a bad one. For me, in order to be a good cop, you can't just do the right thing. You have to make sure the cops around you are also doing the right thing, turning them in to IAB or the state if necessary. Those cops are damn rare.

/Still a whole lot better than being a bad cop.
 
2012-12-18 10:48:47 PM
I vote we call the planet Kamino and have them clone HideAndGoFarkYourself about a million times. Then we fire and replace every cop in the country from the bottom up.
 
2012-12-18 10:49:07 PM
Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

[www.paragoulddailypress.com image 124x256]


Imbecilic. Some crankhead with a busted ass .22 revolver who doesn't give a shiat is going to take all his gear away from him. It's like UPS delivering upscale weaponry.
 
2012-12-18 10:53:39 PM

Mr.Man: Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.

That's city cops on the mainland.Vancouver Island is an entirely different place.Equating cops in swat gear randomly hassling honest citizens to someone getting hassled over ...


Yeah, being harassed for no reason what so ever, and threatened, and threatening to take your child into custody for not showing ID over a farking bus ticket, nothing to see here! Move along citizen. I never said it equated to cops in swat gear, but it sure as shait isn't right either.
 
2012-12-18 10:54:59 PM
Paging Sinclair Lewis to America 2012 - your services are needed.

/Could it happen here?
 
2012-12-18 10:57:23 PM

moothemagiccow: Curtis


no it's not
http://www.hittandkidd.com/
 
2012-12-18 11:00:10 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: He lives in Vancouver, it's a slightly bigger city. All cities have their problems, no place is perfect.

Um, do all women on Vancouver Island look like you?
/packs bags


Haha, Oh you. I thought Montreal was supposed to be flooded with the hot ladies.

/and no, there are a few fatties around these parts.
 
2012-12-18 11:03:12 PM

way south: osing rifles is not unheard of.



Nope.
 
2012-12-18 11:04:13 PM

The Voice of Doom: brap
Amos Quito:

 
[i.imgur.com image 387x225]
That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.

 
Are you sure it didn't make you larch?
 
/ whoever made this must have typed "oaky" instead of "okay" into the translator
 
 
LOL!
 
Thank you for correcting my Nazi!
 
/Oy
//I'm such a poofter!
/// How will I ever live it down???
 
2012-12-18 11:06:10 PM
"Show of Force" moments are only temporary and rarely curb any crime or illegal activities once the moment is done.
 
2012-12-18 11:06:19 PM
If I remember the article correctly AR is the state where the cops will shoot you IN THE COURTHOUSE and the judge will say nothing was done wrong. (Cops shot the local fire marshal when he came to court to protest them ticketing the city fire truck IIRC.)
 
2012-12-18 11:06:25 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: after smelling marijuana in the vehicle

 
 
Sure they did
 
2012-12-18 11:07:25 PM
And how long before we see pictures of groups police on foot patrol with their weapons chained to them?
 
2012-12-18 11:08:55 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.

They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?"


Yep. Similar thing happened to me once while I was driving through Texas with my friend. We were on our way to New Orleans, taking old 17 as a sort of scenic route, when out of nowhere we get pulled over by some backwoods sheriff. He claimed we were doing 60 in a 45, which was bullshiat, and he threatened to throw us in jail over it. He ended up giving us a warning and letting us go.

Anyway, after our encounter with Boss Hog we decide not to go to New Orleans, and instead just stop in Houston. We ended up in some weird hole in the wall bar with bad music and what I think were drag queens, got into a bit of an altercation, and then decided to cut the trip short.

So we head back, and get to the same county where we got pulled over before, and ended up getting pulled over a second time, by the same farking cop! And sure enough he arrested us. We were in there for 4 days before my dad bailed us out.
 
2012-12-18 11:09:44 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I got pulled over for one burned out headlight. It was around 2am, so I can understand. I was DD that night, so the whole thing wasn't a problem. Didn't even get a fix-it ticket.


And that's reasonable too.

I've been pulled over on 2 separate....no wait....4 separate occasions for a burned out headlight. (not the same headlight).

I got 1 ticket out of all 4 stops for something different, but the reason he pulled me over was the headlight. Oddly enough the time I got the ticket was the one of those 4 stops when I hadn't been drinking.
 
2012-12-18 11:09:47 PM

brigid_fitch: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.

They also have a complete disregard of the Constitution:

Papachristou v Jacksonville. You can't ask someone for ID just because he's out walking the dog, riding a bike, or just hanging around.



Seriously... wtf.
 
2012-12-18 11:10:38 PM
This is from the Onion right? right!?
 
2012-12-18 11:13:47 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Lenny_da_Hog: Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.

They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?"

Yep. Similar thing happened to me once while I was driving through Texas with my friend. We were on our way to New Orleans, taking old 17 as a sort of scenic route, when out of nowhere we get pulled over by some backwoods sheriff. He claimed we were doing 60 in a 45, which was bullshiat, and he threatened to throw us in jail over it. He ended up giving us a warning and letting us go.

Anyway, after our encounter with Boss Hog we decide not to go to New Orleans, and instead just stop in Houston. We ended up in some weird hole in the wall bar with bad music and what I think were drag queens, got into a bit of an altercation, and then decided to cut the trip short.

So we head back, and get to the same county where we got pulled over before, and ended up getting pulled over a second time, by the same farking cop! And sure enough he arrested us. We were in there for 4 days before my dad bailed us out.


Curious what you were arrested for on the return trip?
 
2012-12-18 11:14:29 PM

mittromneysdog: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was ...


then there's *no way* you RTFA
 
2012-12-18 11:14:37 PM

TheOther: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

[www.paragoulddailypress.com image 124x256]

Imbecilic. Some crankhead with a busted ass .22 revolver who doesn't give a shiat is going to take all his gear away from him. It's like UPS delivering upscale weaponry.



Or do like some Cambodian kids did around here a while back. They would tail cops home and then pop their trunks for the armor and weapons. When they finally busted these kids they had a friggin armory. Apparently they needed to upgrade themselves because of some Viets, and the cops were the ones they saw walking around with what they needed. LOL.
 
2012-12-18 11:19:06 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: unlikely: Relatively Obscure:


Graah! All of my hate.

Why do we allow assholes with power to exist?
 
2012-12-18 11:19:23 PM

Mr.Man: Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.


it is freedoms?
 
2012-12-18 11:21:13 PM
A friend and I drove to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. We were standing at urinals in a restaurant men's room when two cops came in and told us not to turn around. They took our wallets out of our pockets, removed the cash, put our wallets back, and walked out.
 
2012-12-18 11:24:13 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

 
 
Why is it that almost everyone that is afraid of guns always has penis on their mind? Projecting, maybe?
 
2012-12-18 11:25:39 PM
I'm not sure that the Chief has fully thought this plan thru.

Did not see what the current murder rate is, but to take measures like that? There had better be blood running in the streets and a curfew.

Even if one assumes he means well, I think that the ACLU is going to [rightly] have a case here.
 
2012-12-18 11:27:24 PM
It was so hot this summer I took to riding my trike after midnight. I had a police officer stop me and ask me for my ID. I told him no. I don't carry any ID when riding my trike. Sorry, but they don't issue tricycle licenses.

Not yet anyway.
 
2012-12-18 11:28:47 PM

studebaker hoch: [www.teapartytribune.com image 239x200]

"What seems to be the problem officer?"


Having 'vacationed' once in Arkansas, I can say that method would most likely work better if there was C-note hanging between the thumb and forefinger when you did the Jedi 'Arkansonian' mind trick.
 
2012-12-18 11:28:57 PM
I have no problem with Arkansas becoming a police state. In fact I think they should seal the borders just to be safe from free America.
 
2012-12-18 11:29:00 PM
This comment is directed to every man and woman in the law enforcement community of Paragould:

When I joined the United States Navy I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies. I am reminding each and every one of you officers that you have done the same. The Constitution guarantees freedoms that I and my shipmates served to defend. Some of my shipmates didn't come home.

I urge each and every one of you to remember your oaths. If you are given an unlawful order, you are not required to obey that order. Moreover, it is your duty as sworn officers not to obey that unlawful order.

Each and every one of you reading this, listen to your conscious. If you believe in God, pray and ask for guidance in your decision making. If you don't believe in God, pray anyway. Do not give in to fear but remain stout-hearted and remember your why you swore your oath and became a peace officer.

"Human freedom involves our capacity to pause between the stimulus and response and, in that pause, to choose the one response toward which we wish to throw our weight." -Rollo May

Remember when you go on duty that when you are faced with the opportunity to make a choice, pause and make that choice. As with any other training, doing so habitually will allow you to exercise will allow you to make the right choice when you find yourselves in a situation where you do not have the luxury of pausing.

Do what it right. Do not obey an unlawful order. Remember your oaths.
 
2012-12-18 11:30:57 PM

bmwericus: Did not see what the current murder rate is,


Zero. For years.

Burglary and theft, however... damn.
 
2012-12-18 11:32:45 PM
CBob: And how long before we see pictures of groups police on foot patrol with their weapons chained to them?

"TASK FORCE BOLD POWER STREET SWEEP needs $2 million to get the equipment that it needs to get back the $500K of equipment...including the chains... that was taken from them..again...on Tuesday."
 
2012-12-18 11:32:58 PM
If this is a meth related crime wave, as has been suggested, then what will patrolling downtown on foot even accomplish? Is this where all of these crimes are being committed? Dopers usually keep their business on the down low and burglars don't usually burgle on the city square. How is this even supposed to be effective?

Let me guess, by giving a pretext for stopping anyone who looks like a criminal and digging for some reason to arrest them.
 
2012-12-18 11:33:18 PM
Small-government, freedom-loving teapartiers are embracing an outright police state? Check.
 
2012-12-18 11:35:32 PM

Insatiable Jesus: If this is a meth related crime wave, as has been suggested, then what will patrolling downtown on foot even accomplish? Is this where all of these crimes are being committed? Dopers usually keep their business on the down low and burglars don't usually burgle on the city square. How is this even supposed to be effective?

Let me guess, by giving a pretext for stopping anyone who looks like a criminal and digging for some reason to arrest them.


Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure my neighbors cook and sell meth, but outside of the occasional domestic violence outburst in the front lawn at 1 AM, they're basically shut-ins.
 
2012-12-18 11:35:40 PM

ElLoco: bmwericus: Did not see what the current murder rate is,

Zero. For years.

Burglary and theft, however... damn.



You would never steal a lawnmower and then show up to that persons house selling your lawn services two days later, but on meth you would.
 
2012-12-18 11:36:50 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


You right wingers are so afraid that Dear Leader will seize control and we'll need a citizen militia to oust him?

Guess what's going to oppose that citizen militia?

The Strong Military® that you wingnuts pushed for, first because you were afraid of the Russkies and now because you're afraid of the Scary Mooselimbs.

Paramilitarized police departments like this one, that you wingnuts pushed for to be Tough on Ni*BONG*sCrime and for the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

The surveillance state backed by the "Patriot" Act. We could sure use some of that judicial activism you're always whining about.
 
2012-12-18 11:41:05 PM

pciszek: And if someone doesn't have ID on them?


then they get to cast an absentee vote.
 
2012-12-18 11:41:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Insatiable Jesus: If this is a meth related crime wave, as has been suggested, then what will patrolling downtown on foot even accomplish? Is this where all of these crimes are being committed? Dopers usually keep their business on the down low and burglars don't usually burgle on the city square. How is this even supposed to be effective?

Let me guess, by giving a pretext for stopping anyone who looks like a criminal and digging for some reason to arrest them.

Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure my neighbors cook and sell meth, but outside of the occasional domestic violence outburst in the front lawn at 1 AM, they're basically shut-ins.



Geez, I hope you're not too close if they are cooking. I once has the pleasure of being invited on a post meth explosion scavenger hunt. Crankheads blew up a mechanic's shop they were cooking in. There was Proto and Snap-On tools scattered in the woods for a hundred yards out back. I got some really nice stuff. I couldn't believe how big the explosion must have been. Half the building was just, gone.
 
2012-12-18 11:41:54 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.


You seem like one of the few good cops that the other 99% make look bad.
 
2012-12-18 11:42:13 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.
 
 
Why is it that almost everyone that is afraid of guns always has penis on their mind? Projecting, maybe?


Afraid of guns? I own three. Try again.
 
2012-12-18 11:43:57 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.

You right wingers are so afraid that Dear Leader will seize control and we'll need a citizen militia to oust him?

Guess what's going to oppose that citizen militia?

The Strong Military® that you wingnuts pushed for, first because you were afraid of the Russkies and now because you're afraid of the Scary Mooselimbs.

Paramilitarized police departments like this one, that you wingnuts pushed for to be Tough on Ni*BONG*sCrime and for the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.

The surveillance state backed by the "Patriot" Act. We could sure use some of that judicial activism you're always whining about.


Woah... lol

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-18 11:45:47 PM

Happy Hours: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I got pulled over for one burned out headlight. It was around 2am, so I can understand. I was DD that night, so the whole thing wasn't a problem. Didn't even get a fix-it ticket.

And that's reasonable too.

I've been pulled over on 2 separate....no wait....4 separate occasions for a burned out headlight. (not the same headlight).

I got 1 ticket out of all 4 stops for something different, but the reason he pulled me over was the headlight. Oddly enough the time I got the ticket was the one of those 4 stops when I hadn't been drinking.


i've been pulled over 4 or 5 times for burned out lights. The first guy to do it was going to ticket me, but let me go because he was called away to be someone's back up on something. He just seemed to be a really bad mood.

The others all were cool about it, especially the last guy. Both of my rear lights (but not the brake lights) were out. He stood there for a few moments chatting with me and suggested it might be a fuse issue since they were out at the same time. It wasn't, they had just both died. Still, I thought his friendly demeanor and politeness warranted a few minutes of my time to send the dept a feedback message. Hope they keep it up.
 
2012-12-18 11:46:13 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.

 
 
Or the feral pigs.
 
2012-12-18 11:46:53 PM

Oblio13: A friend and I drove to New Orleans for Mardi Gras. We were standing at urinals in a restaurant men's room when two cops came in and told us not to turn around. They took our wallets out of our pockets, removed the cash, put our wallets back, and walked out.


4.bp.blogspot.com 

I once had my wallet stolen in a bar and while explaining what happened to a state trooper he told me he always carried two wallets. One with a few business cards and junk in it in his back pocket, and the other with money, ID, credit cards, etc in his front pocket. A few months later I mentioned this to another cop I know and he said his method is even better. He just folds his money around the cards and wraps it with a rubber band.

upload.wikimedia.org
(put the big bills on the outside)
 
2012-12-18 11:47:25 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


+1 voted smart. Good post.
 
2012-12-18 11:51:34 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Pokey.Clyde: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.
 
 
Why is it that almost everyone that is afraid of guns always has penis on their mind? Projecting, maybe?

Afraid of guns? I own three. Try again.


So you're insecure about the size of your dick? Or did you mean other people with a gun, besides you? Maybe you have really small guns that don't count?
 
2012-12-18 11:52:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Insatiable Jesus: If this is a meth related crime wave, as has been suggested, then what will patrolling downtown on foot even accomplish? Is this where all of these crimes are being committed? Dopers usually keep their business on the down low and burglars don't usually burgle on the city square. How is this even supposed to be effective?

Let me guess, by giving a pretext for stopping anyone who looks like a criminal and digging for some reason to arrest them.

Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure my neighbors cook and sell meth, but outside of the occasional domestic violence outburst in the front lawn at 1 AM, they're basically shut-ins.



Really? That's kind of odd for meth heads. Usually they're more, shall we say, visible. All the tweakers I knew, er, heard of, were quite the opposite of shut-in.
 
2012-12-18 11:54:01 PM

Amphipath: Great. I had favorite you as "reasonable cop" for that.


I have him favorited as 'soon-to-be-EX-cop'.

/reasonable ones don't last long
 
2012-12-18 11:57:11 PM
Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?

There's only more where this came from. Enjoy!
 
2012-12-18 11:59:37 PM

trappedspirit: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!


True this.

See this, officer? At the end of this leash is a dog. I am walking therefore I am walking the dog. Or is he walking me? It gets confusing sometimes.
 
2012-12-18 11:59:48 PM

ElLoco: derp


Thank you for so clearly identifying yourself as someone not worth listening to.

*PLONK*
 
2012-12-19 12:01:58 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ElLoco: derp

Thank you for so clearly identifying yourself as someone not worth listening to.

*PLONK*


That's why I posted the pic for you.

:)
 
2012-12-19 12:02:51 AM
Quick someone tell these cops that Ar-15s are "weapons of war" and don't belong on the streets. I'm sure Obama and the other gun control supporting Democrats agree that these guys shouldn't be able to possess these, right?
 
2012-12-19 12:03:16 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around. Which I vehemently disagree with.


Why would you disagree with this? More protection is better. Just curious.
 
2012-12-19 12:06:59 AM
Never had a reason to visit Arkansas before.

Damn sure don't need one now.
 
2012-12-19 12:07:26 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


I refuse to have any more of my rights curtailed because someone else abused their right to carry a weapon specifically designed to kill. as it stands, my 'uninfringeable' right to carry is already infringed, and I have to jump through hoops and buy and submit forms and give away contact information of other people on an APPLICATION that's not even guaranteed to be approved -- for whatever reason -- so my 2nd is already infringed, and this is just for a goddamn hand gun.

Do some homework, now that the story is 4 days old the details have emerged -- that farking C*NT of a wife was making 289 THOUSAND a year off her divorce settlement -- her husband DID NOT CONTEST sole custody of their son -- THE FATHER ABANDONED HIS SON -- the MOTHER brainwashed him with 'end of civilized society' scenarios and trained him to fire assault rifles at firing ranges -- the shame is that this mental midget decided to kill 25 innocent people at an elementary school -- he should have splattered her brains on her nice new bedspread, and then splattered his own, next to hers.

THE SOLUTION IS MORE GUNS, NOT LESS


any of those teachers could have taken that f*cking asshole down the moment he broke the glass -- the school was locked, as it should be, and he had to break a window to get in -- but having 'gun-free' zones in schools only ENCOURAGES crime -- because HE KNEW NO ONE ELSE WOULD BE ARMED, he could take his time and have 10 minutes before authorities arrived, sirens blaring, giving him ample warning to blow his own brains out.

Entire tanks and personnel carriers of 'standard issue street soldiers' arrived -- entirely too late, 26 people were already dead -- WHAT F*CKING GOOD is that

/don't argue with me, go find a cave to hide if you want your safety so guaranteed -- the rest of us live in the real world, where things don't always happen according to plans
 
2012-12-19 12:08:16 AM

cannotsuggestaname: yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.



1 little, 2 little, 3 little lawsuits...
4 little, 5 little, 6 little lawsuits...
7 little, 8 little, 9 little lawsuits...
How do those 4th & 5th Amendments and civil rights go?
 
2012-12-19 12:08:50 AM
This is why you can't have nice things, America.
 
2012-12-19 12:09:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Insatiable Jesus: If this is a meth related crime wave, as has been suggested, then what will patrolling downtown on foot even accomplish? Is this where all of these crimes are being committed? Dopers usually keep their business on the down low and burglars don't usually burgle on the city square. How is this even supposed to be effective?

Let me guess, by giving a pretext for stopping anyone who looks like a criminal and digging for some reason to arrest them.

Yeah, this. I'm pretty sure my neighbors cook and sell meth, but outside of the occasional domestic violence outburst in the front lawn at 1 AM, they're basically shut-ins.


Really? That's kind of odd for meth heads. Usually they're more, shall we say, visible. All the tweakers I knew, er, heard of, were quite the opposite of shut-in.


Yeah, I mean it might be pills and/or prostitution. There's some real shady shiat going on next door, I just haven't pinpointed it yet.
 
2012-12-19 12:11:37 AM

Wretched: Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?

There's only more where this came from. Enjoy!


Funny, the conservatives seem to be the ones who want more government everywhere, what with demanding it in women's uteruses, people's bedrooms, churches, small businesses, etc. You guys really like to project.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:16 AM
As some one that lives in Arkansas let me apologize for the stupidity coming from this backwater s@#thole town. When some ones says " I'm going to Paragould" I generally say "Ewww, I'm sorry" . Not everyone one that lives in AR. are dirty inbreeding goat rapists.
 
2012-12-19 12:13:53 AM
i23.photobucket.com
i256.photobucket.com 

Guess which ones are called "occupiers."
 
2012-12-19 12:14:15 AM

moothemagiccow: Attorney Curtis Hitt of the law firm of Hitt and Kidd

This is totally fake


Nope, i know these guys, they're legit. I met them at the retirement party when Arnold Play, Esq. left the firm.
 
2012-12-19 12:18:36 AM

Wretched: Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?

There's only more where this came from. Enjoy!



Arkansas, liberal utopia.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:04 AM
Sounds like something out of Bloomberg's New York, what with stop and frisk and all that.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:05 AM

Wretched: Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?


Absolutely. It's all part of that evil Soros-backed liberal plot, the War on Civil LibertiesDrugs.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:27 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.


I only read part of the article, because there was some weird graphics glitch going on, where the text was re-wrapping itself around an image over and over, but please tell me they aren't sending officers out it tactical gear without uniforms.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:03 AM

You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

 
I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
 
This.
 
"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."
 
And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"
 
And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
 
My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

 
 
That's crazy. I'm guessing this was in BC?
 
The RCMP sucks balls. When they're not bothering to investigate a serial-killer and let him continue to feed dozens hookers to his pigs they're tazering immigrants to death and apparently hassling people waiting for  the seabus for no reason whatsoever.
 
They should just fire all those morons and disband that failed organization completely. 
 
2012-12-19 12:29:58 AM
...Whoever the fark thought this was a good idea needs a head examination, because clearly someone played football with them as a baby.
 
2012-12-19 12:33:21 AM

urban.derelict: Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.

I refuse to have any more of my rights curtailed because someone else abused their right to carry a weapon specifically designed to kill. as it stands, my 'uninfringeable' right to carry is already infringed, and I have to jump through hoops and buy and submit forms and give away contact information of other people on an APPLICATION that's not even guaranteed to be approved -- for whatever reason -- so my 2nd is already infringed, and this is just for a goddamn hand gun.

Do some homework, now that the story is 4 days old the details have emerged -- that farking C*NT of a wife was making 289 THOUSAND a year off her divorce settlement -- her husband DID NOT CONTEST sole custody of their son -- THE FATHER ABANDONED HIS SON -- the MOTHER brainwashed him with 'end of civilized society' scenarios and trained him to fire assault rifles at firing ranges -- the shame is that this mental midget decided to kill 25 innocent people at an elementary school -- he should have splattered her brains on her nice new bedspread, and then splattered his own, next to hers.

THE SOLUTION IS MORE GUNS, NOT LESS

 
 
Yes, obviously, the solution to gun violence is to make sure that all six-year-old children are armed with assault weapons to insure that they can kill psychotic spree-shooters before they themselves are killed. We should make sure that all first grade age children have unfettered access to guns; perhaps by providing gun dispensers on school buses and in classrooms.
 
2012-12-19 12:33:50 AM
Eh

Keizer_Ghidorah: Wretched: Isn't this the government-controlled 1984-style utopia you farktard liberals have been dreaming about?

There's only more where this came from. Enjoy!

Funny, the conservatives seem to be the ones who want more government everywhere, what with demanding it in women's uteruses, people's bedrooms, churches, small businesses, etc. You guys really like to project.


Eh, both sides like more government, at least when they are in charge. It's just the things that piss them off differ in the "if I ruled the world" fantasies.
 
2012-12-19 12:35:22 AM

Max Awesome: Yes, obviously, the solution to gun violence is to make sure that all six-year-old children are armed with assault weapons to insure that they can kill psychotic spree-shooters before they themselves are killed. We should make sure that all first grade age children have unfettered access to guns; perhaps by providing gun dispensers on school buses and in classrooms.


I like the cut of that jib.
 
2012-12-19 12:35:38 AM

Elmo Jones: If I'm walking around Arkansas, the police should stop me. Because I've been kidnapped and drugged.
Seriously, f*ck that place.


You sir, owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-12-19 12:36:07 AM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.


Yeah, it was a bad place to grow up, because it was a racist hellhole until very recently. That's not a healthy environment.

I mean, I grew up in a shiathole mid-size town south of you, there were definitely racist pricks, but actual black people were allowed to live there. Actually the schools were fine, because the few racists sent their kids to Baptist schools. The kids in public school didn't give a shiat about race. This was the 70s.
 
2012-12-19 12:39:10 AM

ElLoco: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Pokey.Clyde: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.
 
 
Why is it that almost everyone that is afraid of guns always has penis on their mind? Projecting, maybe?

Afraid of guns? I own three. Try again.

So you're insecure about the size of your dick? Or did you mean other people with a gun, besides you? Maybe you have really small guns that don't count?


Question 1) Nope.

Question 2) I mean people that feel the need to strut around with guns brandished in hopes of getting respect/fear. I mean people that see everyday situations as so threatening they feel better about life when carrying a gun. I mean people that seem to have a fetish about being put into a situation where innocent people are being slaughtered simply so they will have the chance to put a bullet in someone.

Question 3) Yeah, my guns are really small, so they don't count. And I forgot about my 22-250 that's been at my cousin's place for the last decade for coyotes and other pests around their farm, so I guess I have 4, but only three at my place.

Finally, I really hope you enjoyed this attention you so obviously crave. Later.
 
2012-12-19 12:39:42 AM
i50.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-19 12:44:58 AM

HoratioGates: Don't Troll Me Bro!: No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

I only read part of the article, because there was some weird graphics glitch going on, where the text was re-wrapping itself around an image over and over, but please tell me they aren't sending officers out it tactical gear without uniforms.


It was hard to tell from the caption. It just said "file photo," then had a sentence pertaining to the article. You can hit the pause button right underneath the pic to get it to stop cycling and messing up your read.
 
2012-12-19 12:55:24 AM
Why does this surprise anyone? The NYPD has been doing shiat like this in minority neighborhoods since the Guiliani administration as part of the stop-and-frisk program. The fact that some shiathole town in Arkansas took that idea and ran with it shouldn't surprise anyone.
 
2012-12-19 12:56:31 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lenny_da_Hog: Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.
 
Yeah, okay. You have a run-in with a couple of power-tripping bubbas with badges, and you draw the conclusion that not only the entire state, but the entire south is that way too.
 
/not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?



Yeah. All those years in Texas, and all of that traveling through every other state in the South, all that time spent with relatives down there -- it's all left me completely ignorant of the culture.
 
2012-12-19 01:01:20 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Man, you red states sure love your freedoms.


Oh, there's plenty of jacbooted thug police departments in blue states too. See: NYPD, Oakland, and Seattle to name a few
 
2012-12-19 01:01:33 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i23.photobucket.com image 540x386]
[i256.photobucket.com image 550x371] 

Guess which ones are called "occupiers."


Bears repeating.
 
2012-12-19 01:06:40 AM
I guess someone saw a darkie.
 
2012-12-19 01:07:14 AM
I'm trying to decide where to go on my next vacation. China, north Korea, Syria, Arkansas, iraq, Mississippi, or Louisiana. Might eliminate Arkansas now.
 
2012-12-19 01:12:33 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


honest question...  how many on your team are like you and how many are more like jackbooted thugs?  honestly please.
 
/I think we need more like you


Our team is pretty professional. We're busy enough as a team that we've gotten over the "we're swat, we're farking awesome and untouchable" attitude that a lot of teams get. At this point we just show up and do our job and go back to work. I can't think of a single of my teammates who I wouldn't classify as excellent role models.

Some of our other ones officers though, I can see why the stereotype exists.
 
2012-12-19 01:16:30 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i23.photobucket.com image 540x386]
[i256.photobucket.com image 550x371] 

Guess which ones are called "occupiers."

Bears repeating.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-19 01:16:58 AM

saturn badger: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around. Which I vehemently disagree with.

Why would you disagree with this? More protection is better. Just curious.


Because its an over militarization with no specific threat. Now, if there was actual intelligence that these officers were in more danger than is normal, then absolutely...put them in extra gear.

As it is though, he's doing it as an intimidation tactic, which is what I disagree with.
 
2012-12-19 01:21:23 AM

studebaker hoch: There are lots of cool cops out there.

/only the bad ones get the news.


Cops in my town seem OK. I've never had any problems with them.

Most of the "you will respect my authoritah!" blowhard officers seem to be centered around Portland, OR (north of me)
 
2012-12-19 01:21:42 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: As it is though, he's doing it as an intimidation tactic, which is what I disagree with.


Better be careful who you share those opinions with, or your career is going to last about as long as a fart in a hurricane.
 
dh2
2012-12-19 01:22:00 AM
I was briefly in Paragould to install a machine tool 25 years ago, and I can't remember a single thing about the place (and I didn't need to get drunk to achieve that either.)
 
2012-12-19 01:24:56 AM

profplump: HideAndGoFarkYourself: The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.

And as long as there's a non-cop in that review process that all sounds fine. But as far as I can tell, what actually happens most places is the cops make that determination all on their own, with no accountability for the additional violence they will provoke, and no real standards about when the risk is worthwhile. We don't even have predictable standards for the use of lesser levels of force, let alone SWAT interventions. Some departments I'm sure are quite responsible, but it's not something we should have to just hope is true in whatever jurisdiction you happen to be in at the moment, and not something we should leave at the whim of people directly involved in the scenario who have no accountability to the public. Obviously in the presence of ongoing violence there's some leeway, but there are a lot of SWAT interactions where violence is not happening at the time they are deployed, and there would be plenty of time to get a accountable, external decision into the process.

Also the use of paramilitary raid tactics for the purpose of evidence preservation is absurd. Stopping someone from shredding 8 pieces of paper is not worth the risk of injury and death to cops suspects, bystanders, and all the people that get accidentally raided (not to mention the property damage).


There isn't, and for good reason. I can see how having a non-officer sit on a board to determine reasonableness would be beneficial, but in a dynamic situation, there's just not time to convene a meeting.

We do have two mental health professionals on our team as negotiators who constantly monitor the dynamics of the incident and provide information. On more than one instance we've changed tactics, or backed off completely, due to the recommendations of those two.

Our activations all go through a post-op review by the civilian merit board to ensure we were within policy.

As for warrants and the like, we utilize a threat matrix that assigns numerical value to factors we'll encounter. If the total exceeds a certain number (it's very high) only then does our team serve the warrant.

So there's no "civilian" directly involved, but there are quite a few after the fact who review it.
 
2012-12-19 01:27:43 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i23.photobucket.com image 540x386]
[i256.photobucket.com image 550x371] 

Guess which ones are called "occupiers."


The ones that named themselves Occupy Wall Street? Just a guess
 
2012-12-19 01:31:44 AM

Bacontastesgood: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.

Yeah, it was a bad place to grow up, because it was a racist hellhole until very recently. That's not a healthy environment.

I mean, I grew up in a shiathole mid-size town south of you, there were definitely racist pricks, but actual black people were allowed to live there. Actually the schools were fine, because the few racists sent their kids to Baptist schools. The kids in public school didn't give a shiat about race. This was the 70s.


Slight tangent: I grew up in WV. The place has a reputation for racism, but I deny that. There are so few minorities, it amounts to hating leprechauns. I had to go to post grad education in Memphis Tn to discover what smack you in the face racism looked like. Also, sadly, to see the basis for it.
 
2012-12-19 01:35:32 AM

Fano: Bacontastesgood: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.

Yeah, it was a bad place to grow up, because it was a racist hellhole until very recently. That's not a healthy environment.

I mean, I grew up in a shiathole mid-size town south of you, there were definitely racist pricks, but actual black people were allowed to live there. Actually the schools were fine, because the few racists sent their kids to Baptist schools. The kids in public school didn't give a shiat about race. This was the 70s.

Slight tangent: I grew up in WV. The place has a reputation for racism, but I deny that. There are so few minorities, it amounts to hating leprechauns. I had to go to post grad education in Memphis Tn to discover what smack you in the face racism looked like. Also, sadly, to see the basis for it.


Are you saying that black people are like leprechauns because they typically have Irish last names and are always trying to steal your gold?
 
2012-12-19 01:50:24 AM

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


"Only the police should have guns," is your argument.
 
2012-12-19 02:14:47 AM
Not only are we reverting to "the biggest sword runs sh*t", but we're calling it "security". I'd like to congratulate the ruling classes on deconstructing 400 years or societal advances and wiping their fat asses with the constitution.
 
2012-12-19 02:17:12 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fano: Bacontastesgood: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.

Yeah, it was a bad place to grow up, because it was a racist hellhole until very recently. That's not a healthy environment.

I mean, I grew up in a shiathole mid-size town south of you, there were definitely racist pricks, but actual black people were allowed to live there. Actually the schools were fine, because the few racists sent their kids to Baptist schools. The kids in public school didn't give a shiat about race. This was the 70s.

Slight tangent: I grew up in WV. The place has a reputation for racism, but I deny that. There are so few minorities, it amounts to hating leprechauns. I had to go to post grad education in Memphis Tn to discover what smack you in the face racism looked like. Also, sadly, to see the basis for it.

Are you saying that black people are like leprechauns because they typically have Irish last names and are always trying to steal your gold?


I thought that leprechauns had the gold everyone wa trying to steal. My tanned south Indian fiance comes from a land obssessed with gold but she has plenty of it. The only black guy with an irish name i can think of is O'bama.
 
2012-12-19 02:18:37 AM

cmb53208: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Man, you red states sure love your freedoms.

Oh, there's plenty of jacbooted thug police departments in blue states too. See: NYPD, Oakland, and Seattle to name a few


Chicago, whose police department was recently found guilty of propagating and financially liable for "the blue wall of silence" in federal court. Of course they're fighting the ruling...
 
2012-12-19 02:34:52 AM

The Voice of Doom: / whoever made this must have typed "oaky" instead of "okay" into the translator


THANK YOU. I was wondering how that word ended up in there.
 
2012-12-19 02:41:22 AM

Max Awesome: Yes, obviously, the solution to gun violence is to make sure that all six-year-old children are armed with assault weapons to insure that they can kill psychotic spree-shooters before they themselves are killed. We should make sure that all first grade age children have unfettered access to guns; perhaps by providing gun dispensers on school buses and in classrooms.


ah, the kneejerkers i'm so glad you've arrived
 
2012-12-19 02:43:17 AM
FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

PERIOD.

/SHUT YOUR STUPID [redacted] MOUTH
//GUN-FREE school zones ENSURE the criminal will meet ZERO RESISTANCE
 
2012-12-19 02:53:42 AM

urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

PERIOD.

/SHUT YOUR STUPID [redacted] MOUTH
//GUN-FREE school zones ENSURE the criminal will meet ZERO RESISTANCE



News flash. Kindergarten teachers didn't carry guns even before the gun free zones were established.
Teachers shouldn't have guns for the same reason jail guards don't have guns.
There is too much of a chance they'll end up in the wrong hands.
 
An armed guard at the door maybe, but not with an AK-47.
Besides, the guard would be the first one the loony tune took out.
 
2012-12-19 02:54:50 AM
So far, as a species, we've managed a few nifty hat tricks and a stack of snapshots of mankind trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube. Not exactly Mensa, is it? We all KNOW what would work, what we should do, but that doesn't make anybody rich.
 
2012-12-19 03:20:31 AM

urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

PERIOD.


It's not fact it's odds. Odds are there would be a different number of dead, maybe 1, maybe 10, maybe 30.

In general I side with less, and I think any lives saved is not something to be dismissed, but certainly there were going to be multiple deaths in the school that day.
 
2012-12-19 03:22:22 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"


At what level of behaviour by the police does the NRA advocate shooting them?
 
2012-12-19 03:53:23 AM

urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.


Would you say that Liberia or Somalia more closely resembles your ideal state?
 
2012-12-19 03:58:47 AM

USP .45: In general I side with less, and I think any lives saved is not something to be dismissed, but certainly there were going to be multiple deaths in the school that day.


No. This is just one scenario -- ignoring the fact the f*cking principal, of all people, should have been armed -- but the doors were locked -- he had to break glass to gain entry -- had the teachers had hand guns locked in their desk drawers -- and been given sufficient 'training' to halt teaching and unlock the f*cking drawer to withdrawal the loaded hand gun, they could have been investigating the broken glass they heard -- the two teachers of classrooms which straddled the hallway by the front door -- and saw some kid breaking his way in, carrying two rifles, and they could have shot him dead.

/I won't tolerate your f*cking stupidity
//as it stood, since NO ONE was armed -- NO SECURITY -- in a school of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of students -- WAITING FOR A F*CKING MASSACRE TO HAPPEN -- stupid
///this happened because a father abandoned his son for money -- the dtails being his mother was a crazy f*cking biatch sucking up 289 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR in alimony -- but the father did not dispute sole custody of his son to his wife -- HE ABANDONED HIS F*CKING SON
// i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother
 
2012-12-19 04:00:13 AM
If my own mother had been an assault rifle enthusiast you'd have seen this headline in 1995, coming from Philadelphia, PA
 
2012-12-19 04:11:11 AM

Max Awesome: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(
 
I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
 
This.
 
"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."
 
And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"
 
And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
 
My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS
 
 
That's crazy. I'm guessing this was in BC?
 
The RCMP sucks balls. When they're not bothering to investigate a serial-killer and let him continue to feed dozens hookers to his pigs they're tazering immigrants to death and apparently hassling people waiting for  the seabus for no reason whatsoever.
 
They should just fire all those morons and disband that failed organization completely. 


Yeah it happened in North Vancouver. He is native, his daughter looks like her Scandinavian mother, thought it could have been race related. I'm assuming you saw the Oppal inquiry report that was just released? Disgusting.
 
2012-12-19 04:11:18 AM

urban.derelict: If my own mother had been an assault rifle enthusiast you'd have seen this headline in 1995, coming from Philadelphia, PA


/tiptoes away from desk slowly
 
2012-12-19 04:21:16 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: OgreMagi: Why am I out walking?  None of your farking business.
No, you can not see my ID, this is not a police state.
 
 
[freemarketlovingcommie.files.wordpress.com image 296x405]



Then I would be collecting a large check from that city.
 
2012-12-19 04:33:33 AM
I have a very simple asshole test. If there are two people, and the first one is walking down the street minding their own business, and the second one isn't, then the second one is the asshole.

25.media.tumblr.com 

Of course, being a cop is like having a professional asshole license.
 
2012-12-19 04:38:53 AM
Everyone can relax, in a couple of weeks, a month at the most, after there have been no more mass shootings, at schools or anywhere else, the notoriously short American attention span will have forgotten all about this. There will be no more armed guards in schools, no more SWAT teams in full body armor patrolling the streets, no more discussions of whether teachers should be armed or schoolkids given CCW licenses, and we'll all forget everything we learned this time around.
 
Again.
 
Just like the last 52 times this happened.
 
And nothing will be changed or altered in the slightest. Again. Until the next mass shooting in a random mall, school or church by some mentally ill person that "nobody saw coming" until after the fact when everyone could have seen it coming.
 
Again.
 
2012-12-19 04:54:01 AM
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
 
2012-12-19 05:07:19 AM

urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother


Daddy issues.
 
2012-12-19 05:20:07 AM

urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.


Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.
 
2012-12-19 05:43:06 AM
And I had a ....."friend" here in Cali who had the nerve to grouse about "Oh my, we are in a POLICE STATE now because the Post Office asks if you are sending perfume or lithium batteries in the mail to overseas!!"
 
I responded that if NOTHING WHATSOEVER was permitted out of the US borders via post office that she might then PERHAPS consider the POSSIBILITY that there MIGHT be something strange going on.
 
Perfume for f*cks sake and Oh dear oh dear we are in a police state!!
 
2012-12-19 05:47:25 AM

Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.


No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

dl.dropbox.com

/I'll believe less guns is the solution when people in power stop surrounding themselves with more guns to feel safe.
 
2012-12-19 05:48:03 AM

Amos Quito:


OK, that image has been bugging me for a while now...
Eichig != okay
Eichig = oaky (as in an adjective used to describe wine)

My German grammar is hardly the best, but I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral... Though I suppose the jackbooted thuggery "this" is referring to could be called "masculine".

There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".
"Ich bin okay mit dieses."

Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...
 
2012-12-19 06:01:51 AM

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x400]

/I'll believe less guns is the solution when people in power stop surrounding themselves with more guns to feel safe.


And I'll believe people can have guns if they have the training and brains of the people pictured. Going by your posting history, I see a water pistol. I don't know why.
 
2012-12-19 06:11:00 AM

orbister: urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother

Daddy issues.


You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife. And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.


I can say with certainty that (to repeat) had anyone other than the perp been armed -- 25 innocent people would not have been killed in Sandy Hook elementary on Friday. Maybe only 10 innocent people would have been shot before the perp was put down. Maybe only 5. Maybe NO ONE because when armed teachers heard glass by the front door break, they put their class on hold and retrieved the loaded handgun from their locked desk drawer.

Don't like my assertiveness? Tough shiat, I don't care. I know better than to listen to absolute f*cking morons online. I'm smarter than you, shut your stupid f*cking mouths.
 
2012-12-19 06:17:44 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: And I'll believe people can have guns if they have the training and brains of the people pictured.


So you've put all your faith in someone elses hired men?
Good thing the secret service has proven to be incorruptible.

/Granted they've also proven to be cheapskates about paying their whores.
/Given your posting history I'm shocked you didn't blame everything on 3D printing and space exploration.
 
2012-12-19 06:25:28 AM

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.



/I'll believe less guns is the solution when people in power stop surrounding themselves with more guns to feel safe.


You can't be serious... powerful people surround themselves with bodyguards that have an enormous amount of tactical training and military experience. They don't hand out guns to random people when they walk through a crowd.

In other news, powerful people seek to position themselves as far as possible from anyone who MIGHT have a gun and isn't part of their entourage.

This is a silly argument you're making.
 
2012-12-19 06:30:22 AM

urban.derelict: orbister: urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother

Daddy issues.

You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife. And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

I can say with certainty that (to repeat) had anyone other than the perp been armed -- 25 innocent people would not have been killed in Sandy Hook elementary on Friday. Maybe only 10 innocent people would have been shot before the perp was put down. Maybe only 5. Maybe NO ONE because when armed teachers heard glass by the front door break, they put their class on hold and retrieved the loaded handgun from their locked desk drawer.

Don't like my assertiveness? Tough shiat, I don't care. I know better than to listen to absolute f*cking morons online. I'm smarter than you, shut your stupid f*cking mouths.


I'm sorry, I can't shut my mouth. I'm too busy laughing at you.
 
2012-12-19 06:36:33 AM
way south, by your argument, powerful people make themselves safer by "surrounding themselves" with dark suits and earpieces.

More dark suits and earpieces in schools! Everyone will be safer!
 
2012-12-19 07:00:28 AM

Z-clipped: way south, by your argument, powerful people make themselves safer by "surrounding themselves" with dark suits and earpieces.

More dark suits and earpieces in schools! Everyone will be safer!


It's not silly when the objective seems to be a one sided disarmament.

The assumption is supposed to be that fewer guns will make me safer. So, naturally, I would ask what the people behind the law do to make themselves feel safer.
If their answer is to not only have guns, and not only have guards, but to have the highest level of paid professional security (with armored cars, and helicopters, and mini guns).... Forgive me for smelling the whiff of hypocrisy when they refuse to put a minimum wage mall cop at the door of my kids school because "more guns don't help".

I'm sorry but FARK you mr politician. You help yourself to more guns on every day that ends in Y and you don't hold yourself by the logic that they don't help.
When you want to crack down on us, it's always more guns for you.

I'll believe that guns don't help when those officers put down their assault rifles and go back to .38 revolvers.
 
2012-12-19 07:19:04 AM

way south: Z-clipped: way south, by your argument, powerful people make themselves safer by "surrounding themselves" with dark suits and earpieces.

More dark suits and earpieces in schools! Everyone will be safer!

It's not silly when the objective seems to be a one sided disarmament.

The assumption is supposed to be that fewer guns will make me safer. So, naturally, I would ask what the people behind the law do to make themselves feel safer.
If their answer is to not only have guns, and not only have guards, but to have the highest level of paid professional security (with armored cars, and helicopters, and mini guns).... Forgive me for smelling the whiff of hypocrisy when they refuse to put a minimum wage mall cop at the door of my kids school because "more guns don't help".

I'm sorry but FARK you mr politician. You help yourself to more guns on every day that ends in Y and you don't hold yourself by the logic that they don't help.
When you want to crack down on us, it's always more guns for you.

I'll believe that guns don't help when those officers put down their assault rifles and go back to .38 revolvers.


Stop trying to use logic. Emotions are at stake.
 
2012-12-19 07:24:30 AM

urban.derelict: orbister: urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother

Daddy issues.

You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife. And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

I can say with certainty that (to repeat) had anyone other than the perp been armed -- 25 innocent people would not have been killed in Sandy Hook elementary on Friday. Maybe only 10 innocent people would have been shot before the perp was put down. Maybe only 5. Maybe NO ONE because when armed teachers heard glass by the front door break, they put their class on hold and retrieved the loaded handgun from their locked desk drawer.

Don't like my assertiveness? Tough shiat, I don't care. I know better than to listen to absolute f*cking morons online. I'm smarter than you, shut your stupid f*cking mouths.


Please adjust your meds.
 
2012-12-19 07:26:09 AM

Jgok: Amos Quito:

 
OK, that image has been bugging me for a while now...
Eichig != okay
Eichig = oaky (as in an adjective used to describe wine)

 
My German grammar is hardly the best, but I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral... Though I suppose the jackbooted thuggery "this" is referring to could be called "masculine".
 
There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".
"Ich bin okay mit dieses."

 
Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

 
/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...
 
 
i1121.photobucket.com
 
Thanks, Jgok!
 
I used to know a little German, but she moved to Colorado, so I had to rely on Google Translate.
 
"Oaky" was a typo that I didn't catch. Hopefully it makes more sense now.
 
:-)
 
2012-12-19 07:31:07 AM
I started skimming it and it started with foot patrols and I was hoping subby was joking. Too bad he isn't.
 
2012-12-19 07:36:55 AM
We were stopped walking home from a bar when I was in college. y buddy being an idiot had been carrying a bottle of beer. When they asked for our ID's I told them I had done nothing wrong and this was a violation of my fourth amendment rights against illegal search and seizure of my person. It didn't work very well, they ended up taking my friend to jail for open container normally a crime that would only merit a fine. I caved and showed them my ID.
 
2012-12-19 08:09:32 AM

cannotsuggestaname: yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.


I just got tossed in the bin for the offense of "Being ridiculously nervous while talking to a cop and shivering while taking a field sobriety test wearing a t-shirt and thin khakis in near-freezing rain because that's what drug addicts do".

The law is set up to make it damned near impossible to successfully sue cops and governments which are operating "in good faith" to protect the public, regardless of how many procedural farkups they make. To prove they're operating in bad faith involves internal-affairs-probe level information, and chances are they aren't actually acting in bad faith anyway - they're just hopelessly stupid.
 
2012-12-19 08:15:16 AM
"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

So obviously, if you don't like what the police are doing, you are a criminal. We'll go ahead and arrest you, and figure out what you've done later.
 
2012-12-19 08:17:45 AM
We take you now to a shot of the crowd supporting this brave action by the police department:
www.findingdulcinea.com
 
2012-12-19 08:31:10 AM

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


I like how the police chief came right out and said he hadn't consulted a lawyer.

Wouldn't want some elitist expert telling HIM what to think...
 
2012-12-19 08:41:30 AM

way south: The assumption is supposed to be that fewer guns will make me safer.


Well, at least you've explained how you came to such a ridiculous oversimplified conclusion: you started from a ridiculous oversimplified premise. The general assumption is that intelligently restricting who can purchase a firearm and where they're allowed to carry it (combined with broad buy-back programs to un-flood the market) will help to keep guns out of the hands of people who will use them to do others harm. Nobody in their right mind thinks you can confiscate every rifle and handgun out there... that's a BS strawman the nutcases have been shouting from the rooftops for decades, and it's never been true.

way south: When you want to crack down on us, it's always more guns for you.


In a chaotic crisis situation like the one in CT, a highly trained tactical agent with a clear objective (like protecting one guy) can be a positive factor. But there's not a sliding scale of positives as you go below that level of training. An off-duty cop who happened to be there with his sidearm MAY have been able to help, assuming he was in the right place at the right time, from which he could assess the situation quickly and act safely.

But a random civilian who knows how to clean and fire his .38 because he goes to the range for a couple of hours once a month? No farking way. Assuming he could even figure out what was happening in time to act, there's at least as great a chance that he'd get himself (or someone else) killed as he would happen to get a clear shot at the bad guy, take it, and not miss. Now, add a second random armed civilian to the mix: he knows someone is shooting somewhere, but he doesn't know why. People are screaming. He rounds a corner and sees civilian #1 pull out a weapon and shoot at someone. He draws on him and fires. Now add random civilian #3, and so on...

In a crisis, more guns in the hands of random people = shiat show. That's why they try to keep guns out of people's hands at protests and large demonstrations. The chances of "all-out shiat show" go up exponentially with each weapon you add. Except that these days, every pimple-faced armchair internet commando has played Call of Duty in his living room, so he assumes that he can handle himself like an Army Ranger if someone opens up with an Uzi at the mall.

way south: I'll believe that guns don't help when those officers put down their assault rifles and go back to .38 revolvers.


If it weren't for the pro-gun/anti-regulation jerks, the market wouldn't be flooded with these kinds of weapons in the first place. I'm sure the cops would rather have their .38 revolvers back, but since every meth dealer, crack slinger, religious fundamentalist and and gang banger can get his hands on an assault rifle, they HAVE to escalate. Check back in 15 years, when they're driving tanks down Main St. because the thugs have RPGs.
 
2012-12-19 09:14:33 AM

dkoucky: We were stopped walking home from a bar when I was in college. y buddy being an idiot had been carrying a bottle of beer. When they asked for our ID's I told them I had done nothing wrong and this was a violation of my fourth amendment rights against illegal search and seizure of my person. It didn't work very well, they ended up taking my friend to jail for open container normally a crime that would only merit a fine. I caved and showed them my ID.


Probably a wise move,

Jail for open container? I think your friend was probably being an asshole. The time to stand your ground is not when the cop asks for an ID. Now when they ask for consent to search your car or home, that's when you stand your ground (even if you have nothing to hide).

I consented to a search of my car once just because I figured it was the quickest way to get them to let me go, but I wish I had told them to fark off instead - one of my many regrets

By the time they were satisfied that I wasn't Pablo Escobar they had 3-4 cop cars and about 6 cops surrounding me in a strip mall parking lot and everyone was staring at me and I'm not sure it actually saved me any time.

They wrote me a ticket for an expired inspection sticker. I got the ticket dismissed when I went to court. 

That's some fine police work there Addison pigs.
 
2012-12-19 09:15:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: oh come now... a silly argument would be: If the Grinch stole Christmas, then why isn't all Play-doh Green?


Surrounding ourselves with guns makes us safer, so instead of building school walls out of cinder blocks, let's use guns instead!
 
2012-12-19 09:37:34 AM

urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

PERIOD.

/SHUT YOUR STUPID [redacted] MOUTH
//GUN-FREE school zones ENSURE the criminal will meet ZERO RESISTANCE


You, Sir, are fullon Looney Tunes
 
2012-12-19 09:41:59 AM

urban.derelict: Daddy issues.

You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife.


That seems understandable.

And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

Your your? My my.
 
2012-12-19 09:46:35 AM
Amos Quito/Jgok

Jgok:

/Now let's see if a native speaker will rip my grammar a new one...

www.clusterfake.net
Well then..


I also think "dieser" is using the wrong inflection. If I'm remembering right, it should be "dieses". Dieser is masculine, dieses is neutral...


Correct.
But there's also the case to consider so it would (probably) be the same for both masculine and neutral: "diesem"

I'm saying "probably" because dieser/diese/dieses sticks out like a sore thumb anyway.
I can't point you to any grammar rule, but to a native speaker this sounds like the equivalent of "I'm okay together with this."
I would recommend "damit" instead:
"Ich bin okay damit."


There's also not really a word for "okay" in German... they just say "okay".


Correct, okay is used all over the place.

But in this case a better sounding alternative (explanation follows below) - and the only one I could think of right now - might be
"Ich bin einverstanden damit"
("einverstanden sein" = "to agree", so that's "I'm agreeing [with|to] this")



Of course, if you want it to sound more "German", you could go with:
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." ("I'm good with this")

No. Don't.
Correctness issues aside, most Germans wouldn't even understand this one.
A literal translation of "to be good" in the sense it's used here (or in "How are you? - I'm good.") doesn't exist like that in German.
"Ich bin gut mit dieses." or rather "Ich bin gut damit" means "I'm good at this"


I guess that's also why "Ich bin okay damit" still sounds a tiny bit odd to me:
"to be okay" suffers from the same problem as "to be good".
It's just less noticeable and you'll probably get away with it.
Maybe it's because "okay" is an Anglicism in the first place and people's minds will be nudged into the right track instead of immediately following the "I'm good at.." / "I'm okay at.." line of thought upon hearing it.

If I wanted to make that caption sound more natural in German, I would either go with the above mentioned "Ich bin einverstanden damit", use a different caption like "Ich habe kein Problem damit" (literally: "I don't have a problem with this"), or try something along the lines of
"Das ist okay für mich" (literally: "That's okay for me" or a bit less literal "That's alright with me").
 
2012-12-19 09:54:34 AM
Amos Quito: "Oaky" was a typo that I didn't catch. Hopefully it makes more sense now.

"Mit" takes the dative, but don't need an ending when you are using "dies" as a noun, so it would be "mit dies". However, I don't think any actual German would say "Ich bin OK mit dies". Maybe something like "Hiermit bin ich einverstanden".
 
2012-12-19 10:17:28 AM
I'm pretty big on privacy rights, and certainly against the police going all jack nicholson in a few good men for our protection, but it strikes me that if half the heroes in this thread volunteering to take a stroll through this area so as to test this policy actually did so, the problem would alleviate (or more likely just be moved somewhere else) simply because the cops are correct in their assertion that the undesirable activities are pushed away from areas of high activity (ie: witnesses)

Given that the citizens suffering from violence in the area are better served in the short term by protecting their lives than a particular privacy right, I'd rather see us putting our thoughts towards helping the cops accomplish their goals constitutionally rather than brash oppositionism because we so revile them over-stepping their bounds.
 
2012-12-19 10:17:56 AM

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


That is irrelevant. In the South the state/local politicians elected are almost exclusively democrat but nationally they vote for republican.
 
2012-12-19 10:26:55 AM

urban.derelict: USP .45: In general I side with less, and I think any lives saved is not something to be dismissed, but certainly there were going to be multiple deaths in the school that day.

No. This is just one scenario -- ignoring the fact the f*cking principal, of all people, should have been armed -- but the doors were locked -- he had to break glass to gain entry -- had the teachers had hand guns locked in their desk drawers -- and been given sufficient 'training' to halt teaching and unlock the f*cking drawer to withdrawal the loaded hand gun, they could have been investigating the broken glass they heard -- the two teachers of classrooms which straddled the hallway by the front door -- and saw some kid breaking his way in, carrying two rifles, and they could have shot him dead.

/I won't tolerate your f*cking stupidity
//as it stood, since NO ONE was armed -- NO SECURITY -- in a school of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of students -- WAITING FOR A F*CKING MASSACRE TO HAPPEN -- stupid
///this happened because a father abandoned his son for money -- the dtails being his mother was a crazy f*cking biatch sucking up 289 THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR in alimony -- but the father did not dispute sole custody of his son to his wife -- HE ABANDONED HIS F*CKING SON
// i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother


Jesus man, you need a hug. Also, might not be a good idea to post that you're a homocidal maniac.
 
2012-12-19 10:41:50 AM
OK, I agree with the speaker. I'd also ask the guys in SWAT gear why they're out walking, and check for their ID.
 
2012-12-19 10:58:35 AM
viewsoflajolla.com
 
2012-12-19 10:58:37 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:  
 
thank you for the honest answer.  another question if you don't mind...
What stops the good officers from getting rid of the bad ones?
 
We citizens (non-cops) are getting more and more distrustful and hateful of cops because of what we see and experience in real life with cops today.  It should not be the norm to encounter cops you are afraid to talk to for fear of getting quietly killed / suicided or beat up.  It should be normal to expect a cop to be professional and helpful, and there used to be a time this was the case (when cops knew the neighborhood and it's people).  I myself live in a community within the county which has it's own police force.  The cops here are WONDERFUL.  They are competent, courteous, helpful, nice even... If I were to get pulled over by one of them, I wouldn't worry at all.... outside of this small community... I on ...



  
I think that the good ones do get rid of the bad ones, but you never hear about that unless it happens to be a really big deal.  Now, that's certainly not true of everywhere.

 
I've noticed that when it comes to police departments, at least in my neck of the woods, there are three distinct types.  You've got the small town departments, which are full of the good old boy system, where their hiring practices typically revolve around friends of the chief or people who are friends of other people on the department.  These types of places are ripe for corruption because they all tend to be like minded people, or people who couldn't get through background checks at other agencies.
Then you've got medium sized departments, where the officers didn't want to work with hundreds, or thousands of other officers.  These departments are typically more community policing oriented and, from my experience, the most professional from top to bottom.

The very large agencies, with several hundred or several thousand officers have more lax hiring standards because they're usually in places where there's a lot of crime and they need officers to fill minimum staffing requirements and ensure police service is uninterrupted.  They're also places where things like gender and racial quotas in hiring are more likely to be implemented, meaning that sometimes you'll get the best candidates and sometimes you may be stuck hiring officers who weren't in the top of their hiring pool, but were of the correct gender or skin color.  Furthermore, it's easier for bad officers to hide in these departments because of sheer numbers.  They're also more likely to find like-minded officers and tend to work in the more...low income parts of town, where they can be corrupt and nobody is going to complain, or where no administrators are going to believe the people who do complain.
 
2012-12-19 11:08:10 AM

The Voice of Doom: If I wanted to make that caption sound more natural in German, I would either go with the above mentioned "Ich bin einverstanden damit", use a different caption like "Ich habe kein Problem damit" (literally: "I don't have a problem with this"), or try something along the lines of
"Das ist okay für mich" (literally: "That's okay for me" or a bit less literal "That's alright with me").



You beat me to it. I was going to say damit, but it doesn't quite pass the ear test.
 
2012-12-19 11:14:51 AM
Arkansas leads us into the Police State for the 21st Century!
 
/Show your papers Citizen!
 
2012-12-19 11:23:59 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: HindiDiscoMonster:  
 
thank you for the honest answer.  another question if you don't mind...
What stops the good officers from getting rid of the bad ones?
 
We citizens (non-cops) are getting more and more distrustful and hateful of cops because of what we see and experience in real life with cops today.  It should not be the norm to encounter cops you are afraid to talk to for fear of getting quietly killed / suicided or beat up.  It should be normal to expect a cop to be professional and helpful, and there used to be a time this was the case (when cops knew the neighborhood and it's people).  I myself live in a community within the county which has it's own police force.  The cops here are WONDERFUL.  They are competent, courteous, helpful, nice even... If I were to get pulled over by one of them, I wouldn't worry at all.... outside of this small community... I on ...


  
I think that the good ones do get rid of the bad ones, but you never hear about that unless it happens to be a really big deal.  Now, that's certainly not true of everywhere.

 
I've noticed that when it comes to police departments, at least in my neck of the woods, there are three distinct types.  You've got the small town departments, which are full of the good old boy system, where their hiring practices typically revolve around friends of the chief or people who are friends of other people on the department.  These types of places are ripe for corruption because they all tend to be like minded people, or people who couldn't get through background checks at other agencies.
Then you've got medium sized departments, where the officers didn't want to work with hundreds, or thousands of other officers.  These departments are typically more community policing oriented and, from my experience, the most professional from top to bottom.

The very large agencies, with several hundred or several thousand officers have more lax hiring standards because they're usually in places where there's a lot of ...


You just have to be different with your formatting. Isn't that special.
 
2012-12-19 11:35:05 AM

Z-clipped: In a crisis, more guns in the hands of random people = shiat show. That's why they try to keep guns out of people's hands at protests and large demonstrations. The chances of "all-out shiat show" go up exponentially with each weapon you add. Except that these days, every pimple-faced armchair internet commando has played Call of Duty in his living room, so he assumes that he can handle himself like an Army Ranger if someone opens up with an Uzi at the mall.


You would think that there would some concrete examples of this given the number of states with shall issue CCW permit issuance. Vermont has had license-free concealed carry since at least 1903, Washington state since the 60s. Then Florida got the modern ball rolling. in 1987; since then, dozens of states have enacted shall-issue with the final result being 39-42 (in practice vs. law) being shall issue, 7-10 being may-issue, and 1-4 being non-issue.

We have at least 39 states to look at for just ONE example of CCW holders engaging in a version of friendly fire. Has there been even one?
 
2012-12-19 11:50:38 AM

pedrop357: We have at least 39 states to look at for just ONE example of CCW holders engaging in a version of friendly fire. Has there been even one?


Here's a Slate article on the subject. Short answer: It's very very rare, and they do much more harm than good.
 
2012-12-19 12:58:26 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.


Being the smartass I am I would so love to go walking with one of those invisible dog on a leash toys just for the lulz. You may not see him but Fido is real to me officer!
 
2012-12-19 01:37:16 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school shooting, then it would be appropriate to increase police presence.
 
For instance, two years ago our local high school was the subject of a very specific, very plausible threat of multiple shooters entering the school through various doors.  Our team was deployed to the school, in tac gear, and placed at entry points where bags were searched and portable metal detectors were utilized.  The (two) would be shooters saw this, and left the scene in their vehicle, only to be stopped by an alert patrol officer who arrested them after smelling marijuana in the vehicle, and locating the firearms.  THAT would be an appropriate instance where a SWAT team might be activated in a less-traditional role.
 
I certainly hope there's follow-up here and the Chief decides his course of action is inappropriate and figures out another crime-suppression idea.
 
We in the law enforcement field get a bad rap a lot of the time, and a lot of the time its deserved.  These types of heavy handed tactics are one of the reasons why.  We must find a way to balance the community oriented service that's so important, with the obvious need for (in some instances) a para-military type response to very specific incidents to preserve life and public safety.  THIS is not one of those instances.
 
Flame away.


No flame here. Just respect for one of the (many) good cops who is given a bad name by the stickers. Thank you for your service.
 
2012-12-19 01:56:04 PM

Z-clipped: pedrop357: We have at least 39 states to look at for just ONE example of CCW holders engaging in a version of friendly fire. Has there been even one?

Here's a Slate article on the subject. Short answer: It's very very rare, and they do much more harm than good.


That article made no such statement. It also did not explain even one friendly fire CCW incident.
 
2012-12-19 03:00:29 PM

urban.derelict: orbister: urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother

Daddy issues.

You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife. And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

I can say with certainty that (to repeat) had anyone other than the perp been armed -- 25 innocent people would not have been killed in Sandy Hook elementary on Friday. Maybe only 10 innocent people would have been shot before the perp was put down. Maybe only 5. Maybe NO ONE because when armed teachers heard glass by the front door break, they put their class on hold and retrieved the loaded handgun from their locked desk drawer.

Don't like my assertiveness? Tough shiat, I don't care. I know better than to listen to absolute f*cking morons online. I'm smarter than you, shut your stupid f*cking mouths.



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2012-12-19 03:27:33 PM

You are Borg: My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS


I had no idea Canadians even could be assholes. I've never met a Canadian that isn't nice to a fault!
 
2012-12-19 03:55:57 PM
Aaah, Paragould... So glad i don't live there. Or Pine Bluff. Or Little Rock... Did i miss any of the natural state's fine murderholes? Texarkana blows, but i don't know that it's all that dangerous. If you blow a tire in Goat Gap, ride the rims outside of town before changing it, and keep a gun on hand while you do so. Don't accept help from the locals. Harrison has a rep for disappearing brown folks and long hairs, so i tend to keep away from there except for the LARP location just outside of town. Violence is on the upswing in Benton County (where my stepmother works in the legal system), and rising just a bit in Washington County (where i live).

All and all, though, i love Arkansas, the northwestern bit especially, Fayetteville and Eureka Springs even more specifically. It beats the ever-loving racist, corrupt, gang-infested crapola out of south Florida (where i grew up).

But, yeah, fark Paragould.
 
2012-12-19 04:27:32 PM

foxyshadis: I had no idea Canadians even could be assholes. I've never met a Canadian that isn't nice to a fault!


There are a few ... I'm pretty sure IDW considers me to be one ;).

CSB time:
I saw an interview with a British police officer who had moved to western Canada and was working for the police force out there. He was laughing about how different the Canadian criminals were ... he said "Even when I am arresting them they still apologies to me!".
 
2012-12-19 05:14:33 PM

clyph: LittleSmitty: So this is what Freedom is like.

The Teabagger version of Freedom. You're free to show ID and to have an attorney present while they question you when you wake up handcuffed to a hospital bed.


Nah.
 
Normal freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever you like, as long as neither of us infringes one another's rights"

Teabagger/Redstate freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever I like, as long as you don't do anything I DON'T like"


I was being sarcastic, but I like your version. Although, my scenario does posit what might happen if I did something you didn't like (not YOU specifically of course..)
 
2012-12-19 05:20:13 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: You've got the small town departments, which are full of the good old boy system, where their hiring practices typically revolve around friends of the chief or people who are friends of other people on the department.


Happens in big departments, too... at least at the top.   Two of my uncles tried (unsuccessfully) to recruit me to become the 4th generation of our family that had been at the upper echelon of the cop shop they worked for.
 
2012-12-19 05:24:36 PM

orbister: "Mit" takes the dative, but don't need an ending when you are using "dies" as a noun, so it would be "mit dies". However, I don't think any actual German would say "Ich bin OK mit dies". Maybe something like "Hiermit bin ich einverstanden".


Having thought about it, I think the tone of unconcern rather than active agreement would probably better be a nice simple "Mir ist egal".
 
2012-12-19 05:28:27 PM

orbister: orbister: "Mit" takes the dative, but don't need an ending when you are using "dies" as a noun, so it would be "mit dies". However, I don't think any actual German would say "Ich bin OK mit dies". Maybe something like "Hiermit bin ich einverstanden".

Having thought about it, I think the tone of unconcern rather than active agreement would probably better be a nice simple "Mir ist egal".


"Mir ist scheiß egal" always had a nice ring to my ear.
 
2012-12-19 06:07:03 PM

clyph: Teabagger/Redstate freedom is "I can do whatever I like, and you can do whatever I like, as long as you don't do anything I DON'T like"


That also sounds remarkably like bluestate/liberal freedom too.
 
2012-12-19 06:08:06 PM

studebaker hoch: [prairiefirenews.com image 480x298]

I can't believe you guys got me a birthday card. Aw shucks.


In order to save lives, only the police and military should be able to have guns.
 
2012-12-19 06:08:07 PM
Yeah, I've had to go to Paragould several times for work. It just looks like an old, run-down town. I'd rather go there than Osceola, West Helena, Strong or Pine Bluff, Arkansas. I feel safer by far in Paragould. Meth and crack ruin everything.
 
2012-12-19 06:21:51 PM
It is interesting to note that the round used in an AR-15 is quite capable of punching a hole in typical SWAT armor.
 
2012-12-19 08:02:14 PM

urban.derelict: orbister: urban.derelict: // i have some experience with fathers abandoning their farking sons, so shut your stupid farking mouths unless you're a. male, b. abandoned by your farking father with your dumb as dirt mother

Daddy issues.

You're right, my father abandoned his children the exact same time he abandoned his wife. And since I have more experience with fathers abandoning their families and wives, you can shut your your ignorant mouth. Capice?

way south: Z-clipped: urban.derelict: FACT: if ANYONE other than the perp had a weapon 25 innocent people would not be dead.

Nonsense. You're an idiot if you think you can make this claim with any kind of certainty. The truth is, you have no idea what would have happened.

No one can predict the future, but you can play the odds.

I can say with certainty that (to repeat) had anyone other than the perp been armed -- 25 innocent people would not have been killed in Sandy Hook elementary on Friday. Maybe only 10 innocent people would have been shot before the perp was put down. Maybe only 5. Maybe NO ONE because when armed teachers heard glass by the front door break, they put their class on hold and retrieved the loaded handgun from their locked desk drawer.

Don't like my assertiveness? Tough shiat, I don't care. I know better than to listen to absolute f*cking morons online. I'm smarter than you, shut your stupid f*cking mouths.


LOL you managed to even alienate the gun advocates with this stream of derp.

LOL "armed teachers." Good one. Good one.
 
2012-12-19 08:04:11 PM

rhinoguy: It is interesting to note that the round used in an AR-15 is quite capable of punching a hole in typical SWAT armor.



Depends, not in most actual heavy vests it won't, at least not the first round or two.  Most teams I've seen and trained with wear a Level IV plate, which is rated to stop both the .223/5.56 of your M-16 family, and the .308/7.62 from the AK-47/SKS family of weapons.  The plate is going to shatter after the first round, and you might get two rounds caught in the plate if they're fired in rapid enough succession, but that's about it.
 
Some teams do wear just the vest, without the actual SAPI plate in it, in which case, yes, the .223 will shred right through it.  The vest at that point, what's not covered by the plate, is only a level III (I think) never bothered to check since I always wear my plate).
 
2012-12-19 08:54:04 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.

I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.

The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.

This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.

Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No flame from me. If you're being genuine, then I salute you for being both honest and reasonable. Far too little of both these days, especially from a large percentage of law enforcement.
 
2012-12-19 09:09:33 PM

Mentat: BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.


I did not know that.  I was just down there last year for a family reunion and I hadn't heard anything about the meth problem getting worse.


It's epidemic. My wife's cousin and his family (with small children) used to live there, because they didn't want to live in Little Rock where he has a medical practice. They moved even further away a couple of years ago, and the primary reason was the huge increase in crime in the area connected to meth...
 
2012-12-19 09:33:29 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Lenny_da_Hog: Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.

Yeah, okay. You have a run-in with a couple of power-tripping bubbas with badges, and you draw the conclusion that not only the entire state, but the entire south is that way too.

/not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?


Hey, the more of them feel like that, the fewer of them are down here screwing up our states.

/There is a reason we call 'em DamnYankees
//Heart NY? Take I-30 EAST
 
2012-12-19 09:59:18 PM

Happy Hours: dkoucky: We were stopped walking home from a bar when I was in college. y buddy being an idiot had been carrying a bottle of beer. When they asked for our ID's I told them I had done nothing wrong and this was a violation of my fourth amendment rights against illegal search and seizure of my person. It didn't work very well, they ended up taking my friend to jail for open container normally a crime that would only merit a fine. I caved and showed them my ID.

Probably a wise move,

Jail for open container? I think your friend was probably being an asshole. The time to stand your ground is not when the cop asks for an ID. Now when they ask for consent to search your car or home, that's when you stand your ground (even if you have nothing to hide).

I consented to a search of my car once just because I figured it was the quickest way to get them to let me go, but I wish I had told them to fark off instead - one of my many regrets

By the time they were satisfied that I wasn't Pablo Escobar they had 3-4 cop cars and about 6 cops surrounding me in a strip mall parking lot and everyone was staring at me and I'm not sure it actually saved me any time.

They wrote me a ticket for an expired inspection sticker. I got the ticket dismissed when I went to court.
That's some fine police work there Addison pigs.


Hell, at least you weren't in Plano.
 
2012-12-19 10:03:27 PM

Well Armed Sheep: Aaah, Paragould... So glad i don't live there. Or Pine Bluff. Or Little Rock... Did i miss any of the natural state's fine murderholes? Texarkana blows, but i don't know that it's all that dangerous. If you blow a tire in Goat Gap, ride the rims outside of town before changing it, and keep a gun on hand while you do so. Don't accept help from the locals. Harrison has a rep for disappearing brown folks and long hairs, so i tend to keep away from there except for the LARP location just outside of town. Violence is on the upswing in Benton County (where my stepmother works in the legal system), and rising just a bit in Washington County (where i live).

All and all, though, i love Arkansas, the northwestern bit especially, Fayetteville and Eureka Springs even more specifically. It beats the ever-loving racist, corrupt, gang-infested crapola out of south Florida (where i grew up).

But, yeah, fark Paragould.


You missed West Memphis.

/Lived in Benton County for a year myself and liked it for the most part
//Bella Vista
///brought the average age down by three years, at least
 
2012-12-19 10:54:35 PM

redmid17: orbister: orbister: "Mit" takes the dative, but don't need an ending when you are using "dies" as a noun, so it would be "mit dies". However, I don't think any actual German would say "Ich bin OK mit dies". Maybe something like "Hiermit bin ich einverstanden".

Having thought about it, I think the tone of unconcern rather than active agreement would probably better be a nice simple "Mir ist egal".

"Mir ist scheiß egal" always had a nice ring to my ear.


I figured some folks with more knowledge than I would jump in. I'm happy to have learned some new stuff today :)
 
2012-12-20 11:04:37 AM
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Folks? Just because they don't have German accents..
 
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