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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   ( paragoulddailypress.com) divider line
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2012-12-18 03:36:58 PM  
Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
2012-12-18 03:38:30 PM  
FREEDOM!

/f*cking idiots
 
2012-12-18 03:48:43 PM  
I was sure this was going to be an Onion article.

I guess after they get cleared by the local patrol those walkers could be given a sticker or a patch so they wouldn't be continually harassed. You know - something obvious like a big yellow star would probably work.
 
2012-12-18 03:58:31 PM  
And so it begins. So that's why we have all these terror attacks and senseless shootings.

Police want more control of it's citizens 'for their safety'.

Has nothing to do with gun control.
 
2012-12-18 04:22:39 PM  
I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:10 PM  
yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:59 PM  
WTF? This isn't how it happened in Red Dawn.
 
2012-12-18 04:37:03 PM  
Would a laminated library card suffice?
 
2012-12-18 04:38:32 PM  
It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID
 
2012-12-18 04:38:58 PM  
In my state cops have to, in good faith, believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime to demand your ID. That's why you should listen for " can I see your ID?", then just say no.
 
2012-12-18 04:40:29 PM  
>Reads Article.

Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

Yeah. They pretty much need it up there. The Meth gangs are going crazy at the moment. The most recent one was a week ago,when they had a carload of 15 year olds shot up by a rival gang. Shot the driver 23 times, the other two only got away because they dove out the window and ran for the woods.
 
2012-12-18 04:42:59 PM  

Apos: Would a laminated library card suffice?


thegrio.files.wordpress.com

"I would just like to say I approve this message."
 
2012-12-18 04:45:17 PM  
"Pick up that can, y'all."
 
2012-12-18 04:46:00 PM  
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-18 04:46:06 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
 
2012-12-18 04:46:37 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:47 PM  
They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....
 
2012-12-18 04:50:20 PM  

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.



Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.
 
2012-12-18 04:50:58 PM  
Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.
 
2012-12-18 04:51:11 PM  
This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?
 
2012-12-18 04:52:24 PM  

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


3) Profit
 
2012-12-18 04:52:48 PM  
Papers, please.

prairiefirenews.com
 
2012-12-18 04:53:39 PM  

Raharu: They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....


The answer is clear. We need a war on guns so we can be safe and get our drugs back.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:35 PM  
Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this
 
2012-12-18 04:58:22 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.
 
2012-12-18 05:00:30 PM  
"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.
 
2012-12-18 05:01:22 PM  
And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998
 
2012-12-18 05:03:12 PM  

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


That IS pretty derpy.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:24 PM  
 
2012-12-18 05:03:27 PM  

tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998


I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:50 PM  
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said.


Oh, since they're doing it to everybody there shouldn't be a problem.

Papiere, Bitte
 
2012-12-18 05:04:05 PM  
Hahhahaha holy shiat... statistics as probable cause
 
2012-12-18 05:07:44 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.


So you're opposed to it to. Go to hear.
 
2012-12-18 05:08:35 PM  

thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer;

(2) Refuses to identify himself or herself; or

(3) Manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object.

(c) Unless flight by the actor or another circumstance makes it impracticable, prior to an arrest for an offense under subdivision (a)(1) of this section a law enforcement officer shall afford the actor an opportunity to dispel any alarm that would otherwise be warranted by requesting the actor to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(1) of this section if:

(1) The law enforcement officer did not afford the defendant an opportunity to identify himself or herself and explain his or presence and conduct; or

(2) It appears at trial that an explanation given by the defendant to the law enforcement officer was true and, if believed by the law enforcement officer at that time, would have dispelled the alarm.

(e) Loitering is a Class C misdemeanor.

 
2012-12-18 05:11:26 PM  

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


What racial element? The city is 98% white.
 
2012-12-18 05:11:32 PM  
If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.
 
2012-12-18 05:12:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


OK. It's a trace element.
 
2012-12-18 05:13:02 PM  
The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"
 
2012-12-18 05:15:11 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.


They also have a complete disregard of the Constitution:

Papachristou v Jacksonville. You can't ask someone for ID just because he's out walking the dog, riding a bike, or just hanging around.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:18 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Deal with it.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:24 PM  

revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"


You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:06 PM  
This is how authoritarians rule.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:56 PM  
This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.
 
2012-12-18 05:18:34 PM  

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...


Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link
 
2012-12-18 05:20:19 PM  

Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.


Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.
 
2012-12-18 05:22:45 PM  
I'm glad *somebody* is finally enforcing our Mopery laws.
 
2012-12-18 05:24:21 PM  

i.ytimg.com
"Oh....I'm afraid martial law edicts will be quite operational for the foreseeable future."

 
2012-12-18 05:24:35 PM  
ACLU travel agent postponing his xmas break.

/fortunately he's jewish
 
2012-12-18 05:27:38 PM  
Yeah this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
2012-12-18 05:28:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.

Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


No my assumption is that he will avoid anyone who can afford a locally well connected lawyer. Its clear that he isn't going to go after Grampa or little bobby just riding their bike. He's gonna go after sir meths a lot with the beat up bike and the dvd player under his arm.
 
2012-12-18 05:29:30 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"

You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.


Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:47 PM  
 
2012-12-18 05:44:15 PM  

brigid_fitch: BronyMedic: thomps: Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link

 

FTWiki: "Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement."

Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.

What would they gain by giving your name unless they already knew the suspects name and wanted to weed you out? If they don't have a name to eliminate you, I would think you can and should deny them.

It's more likely they want to run you for warrants, priors, etc... all the while watching to see if you get all fidgety.
 
wee
2012-12-18 05:45:10 PM  

BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.


The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?
 
2012-12-18 05:47:26 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Someone seent a black feller cross town.
 
2012-12-18 05:52:32 PM  
Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!
 
2012-12-18 05:53:17 PM  
Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving
 
2012-12-18 05:55:52 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:54 PM  

vernonFL: Mopery laws.


Who exposed themselves to a blind person?
 
2012-12-18 05:59:11 PM  
Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 06:12:00 PM  

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...



That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering.  I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering.
 
2012-12-18 06:12:59 PM  

wee: BronyMedic: Yeah. They pretty much need it up there.

The guy states he's going to lock people up for walking in public. The 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments have a giant farking problem with that.

Find another solution what doesn't shiat all over the bill of rights, maybe?


I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.

revrendjim: Holy crap. I'm white, so I might have a chance, but jesus that's farked up.


The farked up thing? Supposedly in talking with people in that area, he whole thing was caught on the squad car camera, and it went down exactly as they said it did. Double-jointed guy slid out of the cuffs, and popped himself in the face.
 
2012-12-18 06:24:45 PM  

BronyMedic: thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

That IS pretty derpy.


White people don't worry about these things.

Dunno, I don't have a real trust of militia police but meth people get no sympathy.
 
wee
2012-12-18 06:35:19 PM  

BronyMedic: I was referring to the heavily armored guys in body armor. Not that.


Ah, my mistake. Carry on!
 
2012-12-18 06:41:25 PM  
I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police
 
2012-12-18 06:45:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


One of the few things Ohio ever did right... You get nailed being corrupt enough, they take away the whole town!

New Rome
 
2012-12-18 06:50:04 PM  
ACLU Lawsuit in... I mean, raid on ACLU offices in 3... 2... 1...
 
2012-12-18 06:53:36 PM  

jayhawk88: cops walking around with AR-15's


Why not regular cops walking around? I imagine people want law and order rather than martial farking law.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:50 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.
 
2012-12-18 07:01:56 PM  
**Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
2012-12-18 07:07:45 PM  

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


Did you not see where the county is mostly white Romney voters? This isn't oppressive government to them, it's law and order. Now if some punk kid was playing his music to loud or a blah person had on one of those flat-billed hats. THAT's oppression.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:27 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:17:55 PM  
"This is goddammed strange, Bubba. Everyone I stopped tonight was an ACLU lawyer. You think that's a coincidence?"
 
2012-12-18 07:23:15 PM  
You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*
 
2012-12-18 07:43:44 PM  

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.



The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL
 
2012-12-18 07:45:31 PM  

penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.

**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.


Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?


Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
2012-12-18 07:48:14 PM  
Enjoy your police state, folks!
 
2012-12-18 07:48:52 PM  
What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.
 
2012-12-18 07:50:15 PM  

fusillade762: What was up with that site?  The pic kept changing and taking the text formatting with it.



(There was a pause button for the slide show.)
 
2012-12-18 07:50:32 PM  

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

My parents were pissed, my girlfriend's dad decided I wasn't allowed to see her ever again. My boss understood, so I didn't lose my job. My dad's response, "Wouldn't it have been easier to show them ID?"

All of that being said, if some armored jackass asks for ID tomorrow on the street, I'm still going to refuse.


NSCSB.

I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
2012-12-18 07:53:30 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:32 PM  

Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.



It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.
 
2012-12-18 08:08:35 PM  

unlikely: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This happened to me in Fort Collins, Colorado, in 1987. I was heading for dinner at my parents' house, I was walking home. Two blocks from home, residential area. The two of them walked up to me and asked for ID. I asked what I did and the lady cop one behind me kicked me in the back of the knee. I yelled "What the fark man?" and the other one kicked me in the stomach and told me "When I ask you for ID you give me ID." They handcuffed me and put me in the car and asked me everywhere I'd been. They then called everyone I said I'd seen - but wouldn't call my parents - and said "This is officer Denny Pink of the Fort Collins Police Department, I have one Max Campanella in custody. He claims he was with you between the hours of three and four PM. Can you verify this?" He called my girlfriend's dad to ask him if I'd been over there. He called my boss since I'd been at work for part of it. Refused to say why I was in custody. From about 5:15 to almost 9:00 I sat in that car.

When they were letting me out, the lady cop told me "you might have grounds for a complaint here, but I promise you this, if you file one in this little town, you are never going to drive a car more than a block without a ticket, ever again, until you die."

 
Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town. Two Sheriff deputies came over an apartment building curb in an unmarked car and ran at my car with guns pulled and pointed at the windshield. One then reached inside my car, opened the door from the inside and pulled the gearshift into park.
 
They then pulled me out of the car and smashed my face into the hood of the vehicle (I'm very skinny and non-threatening). The larger of the two kept my arm behind my back while the other removed my three friends at gunpoint. I asked calmly, "Why are you stopping me?" The deputy picked my head up and smashed it back down into my hood. I asked again, "Excuse me, why are you stopping me!" He hit me in the back of the head with his pistol.
 
We all had IDs, explained who we were and where we were going. They searched each of us and fully searched the car without my consent. After 45 minutes and several threats of arresting me for random crimes in the area, just to hold me for 72 hours and give me an arrest record, he finally stated that his reason for stopping me was that there were blacks and whites in the same car.
 
I reported the incident to the Sheriff dept. the next morning. They would simply say, "We'll talk to him," over and over again. They would not provide instructions for a process or written report of any kind. This resulted in the larger deputy visiting the convenience store where I worked midnights and telling me, "What did you think they were gonna do? I'm the law," as he slowly strutted down the aisles with his arms outstretched knocking all of the merchandise onto the floor. 
 
Needless to say, I'm not a fan of Texas or the South.
 
2012-12-18 08:28:53 PM  
If I didn't know any better I'd say this is a troll article
 
2012-12-18 08:28:54 PM  
If the bowling ball's done nothing wrong, it has no reason to fear.
 
2012-12-18 08:29:38 PM  
 
2012-12-18 08:30:01 PM  
Oh just like CA and NY now? Sweet!
 
2012-12-18 08:30:33 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: penthesilea: **Guy out for his morning run puts on his headphones and starts down the street.

 
**Cop spots the guy and yells for him to stop and show his ID.
 
**Guy doesn't hear the order and continues running down the street.
 
 
Now in this particular town does the cop run after the guy? Shoot the guy? Shrug and keep walking?
 
Does the guy have Skittles and iced tea?
 
 
Oh dear god.  It's winter.  There'll be hoodies everywhere.
 
2012-12-18 08:30:45 PM  
always remember freedom isn't free ;)

1.bp.blogspot.com

i hate arkansas nazis....
 
2012-12-18 08:31:32 PM  
I don't see the problem with this.

They are just going to walk up to you and demand to see your papers.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:00 PM  
I hate you all a little more because of this.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:37 PM  
And if someone doesn't have ID on them?
 
2012-12-18 08:33:20 PM  

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:30 PM  

Farking Canuck: I don't see the problem with this.
.


We know.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:45 PM  
Whoever designed their website should be fired.
 
2012-12-18 08:34:43 PM  
i1121.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 08:34:54 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

 
 
These are the 'assault rifle' versions, btw.  Fully auto; selectable.  Not the semi-auto, pull once- one bullet 'assault style' rifles that normal people get to buy.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:12 PM  
WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:29 PM  

way south: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

So you're implying that, if everyone gave up their guns, the cops would give up their assault rifles?
Two parts of that theory seem unlikely.

/mind you those are actual assault rifles with sixty round magazines and select fire.
/The kind that cops tend to lose or have stolen from them on occasion.



60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 
/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists
 
2012-12-18 08:35:39 PM  

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


Maybe, but hardly as much as you think. The Southern-Cracker law enforcement really has no problem whoopin' the white boys, believe me.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:54 PM  

namatad: GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


The GOP has nothing to do with freedom. They are the party of tyranny. All they want to do is control, control, control. Strange, you would think that GOP voters would have some serious issues with this.
 
Hmmmmmm
we need some concealed carry people to do down and march through the streets !!!
LOL


LOL! More government control! Don't look at us, it's the GOP faults! No really! Stupid GOP.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:13 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


Yup, I'm totally willing to be the ACLU's test case to put an end to this shiat.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:14 PM  

brap: You're going to have to prove to me that you're walking your dog.
 
This isn't my dog.
 
*hail of bullets*
 
*GAAAAHHHHHH!*
 
At least I died doing what I loved....dogsitting *expires*



Nice.  Gave me a LOL.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:18 PM  
If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
2012-12-18 08:38:30 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: NSCSB.

 
I take it no one has ever followed up to see if anyone has ever, say, gotten someone higher up in the "little town" to investigate the othe untold NSCSBs?
 
 
Beats me. (heh)
 
I moved out of that town when I turned 18. And even if there was some kind of investigation, 1987 was a LONG time ago, I doubt those cops are still there and I imagine there's some kind of statute of limitations. And the little matter of proof...
 
2012-12-18 08:39:20 PM  

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"
 
2012-12-18 08:39:57 PM  
pigs
 
2012-12-18 08:39:59 PM  
 
2012-12-18 08:41:02 PM  

BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.


They should outlaw that stuff.
 
2012-12-18 08:41:08 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

 
I'm going to guess someone there needs to call...
 
The A-TEAM.
 
2012-12-18 08:41:43 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Meth and the drug trade.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:23 PM  
Power corrupts.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


...which means the 2% that isn't is about to get a nice spotlight.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:00 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas



I'm gonna say they're preparing to apply to become a sister city to Detroit or Chicago?
 
/got nothing
 
2012-12-18 08:43:06 PM  
www.teapartytribune.com

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
 
2012-12-18 08:43:15 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: WTF is wrong with that newspaper's website? Do we need to send a liberal egghead down there to help them build a webpage that doesn't make an article unreadable by constantly re-formatting the text to accomodate the sizes of the two blurry assed pictures cylcing back and forth?

For those of you not from the South - A "high crime area" is anywhere with a lot of black people.



Because racism.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:17 PM  

Jackson Herring: It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID


oh STFU

 
2012-12-18 08:43:20 PM  

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.




Didn't they see the Faces of Meth?
 
2012-12-18 08:43:44 PM  

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Yeah, I don't know about the rest of you, but if a bunch of heavily armed guys asked me for my I.D., I'd be pretty scared too.
 
2012-12-18 08:44:12 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 08:44:25 PM  
Now you know why the rest of your world calls your country "Fat Iran".
 
2012-12-18 08:44:26 PM  
Until we are required by law to carry an ID, the easiest answer is to say that you left it at home. If things go badly and they search you and find it, simply say you forgot you had it on you. by this point, you probably have enough grounds for a lawsuit anyway.
 
2012-12-18 08:45:39 PM  
Attorney Curtis Hitt of the law firm of Hitt and Kidd

This is totally fake
 
2012-12-18 08:46:08 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


A new black family moved into town. It's the standard Arkansas response.
 
2012-12-18 08:46:13 PM  
Didn't the SCOTUS already rule that you don't have to carry ID, you just have to tell the truth about your name and address when asked by the gestapo police.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:07 PM  

PreMortem:
Reasonable and articulable suspicion. That's what separates these scenarios.


Based on the article, the sherrif / police chief says that the crime statistics in the area in question gives them the reasonable cause. I think that someone citing statistics for this purpose is a bit of a first, and not one that had been tested in court.

I guess there would be two counter arguments in a trial (and I am not a lawyer):
1) Are crime statistics in a given location sufficient cause?
2) Are the crime stats provided scientifically sound and not pulled out of someones ass?

END COMMUNICATION
 
2012-12-18 08:47:11 PM  

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


You don't need PC to stop someone.

Link
 
2012-12-18 08:47:47 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"



So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?
 
2012-12-18 08:47:48 PM  

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.



Right, because what actually happens is going to end up in the report. You'll quickly discover that you had a gram of cocaine in your pants that you didn't even know was there or that you smelled like marijuana or that you were stumbling down the street as if drunk etc etc etc.

I have a buddy (a county Marshall) who went to GA's Public Safety school in Jackson. He said his favorite part was the report writing class, where they taught them to be vague in areas that benefit the defense but very specific about anything that helps the prosecution. He said they also taught him the best ways to manufacture probable cause out of thin air - "glassy eyes" and "smelling of marijuana" are the go to claims - impossible to prove to or disprove later.

Anybody thinking about trolling for a lawsuit here (and I hope you do) better make sure they're getting it recorded in some way the cops can't destroy the recording.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:51 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Well, since it's Arkansas it's probably to keep people from leaving


Actually, that would be New York. They need SOMEONE that doesn't work for the government to live there so they can pay the taxes to pay them...
 
2012-12-18 08:47:52 PM  
Wow, now I'm impressed:

Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).

Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.

Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.

Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.

Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.

B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould.
 

It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!
 
2012-12-18 08:47:57 PM  
I wonder if there's a veterans memorial in that town that cries blood now for all the blood spilled to protect our freedoms?
 
2012-12-18 08:48:03 PM  

tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.

 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.
 
2012-12-18 08:48:18 PM  
Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.
 
2012-12-18 08:49:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?

Meth and the drug trade.


Good thing you can't buy Sudafed without showing ID.
 
2012-12-18 08:50:42 PM  
I'm guessing they got all their new toys with Fatherland Homeland Security money.
 
2012-12-18 08:51:49 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7492612/81378675#c81378675" target="_blank">Honest Bender</a>:</b> <i>Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.</i>

Now, let me tell you what would happen if you did that in Paragould.

<img src="http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ogEvgD8Rwgg/0.jpg">

Paragould police are not nice people.
 
2012-12-18 08:52:59 PM  

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


Aww, that's cute you believe that. Take a look at some of the "open carry" videos on youtube and see how well that works out for you when you try to walk away.
 
2012-12-18 08:53:27 PM  

dickfreckle: He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer.


I wonder how he'd react to a happy answer of:

"Well, Officer Krupke, today I and dozens of other people are acting as bait on the behalf of an ACLU sting operation to catch police officers that don't understand individual rights and liberties. They provided me with a titanium armored waterproof recording device that both records locally and transmits live to a remote location, and it can't be turned off once activated! I don't have the key to take it off! It even sends my GPS location and monitors my heart rate! If I say the activation phrase, which is 'Officer Krupke', my audio feed is flagged for live monitoring, and if I say the duress phrase, a battalion of lawyers with video cameras parachute out of the sky and converge on my location! Isn't that fun?!"
 
2012-12-18 08:53:52 PM  

IHRE PAPIERE, BITTE

 
2012-12-18 08:54:24 PM  

dickfreckle: /I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police


Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.

These farked up southeasterners have a tax and a department for everything but they don't have a 311 non-emergency number.
 
2012-12-18 08:54:41 PM  

BronyMedic: 60 round magazines?
Select Fire?
 
Wife-like typing detected.
 


dl.dropbox.com

60 rounders are high cap, 30 is standard (altho my bushmaster mag sticks if I put more than 25 in).
Cops can get post 86 fully automatic weapons if they so desire, and losing rifles is not unheard of.


/patrol officers have had 15s since the North Hollywood shootists

Thats_the_joke.jpg

/The cops won't give them up, the crooks wont give theirs up.
/The debate is if we want to voluntarily give ours up to feel safer.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:35 PM  
No RoboCop pix?
/GUNS GUNS GUNS! Everybody's got them....
 
2012-12-18 08:55:56 PM  

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!


The last time private citizens actually took up arms and threatened the government was when the Black Panthers were arming themselves. California responded by passing some of the most stringent state gun-control laws in the nation.

Signed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, and nary a peep from the National Rifle Association.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:57 PM  
how in the hell did this seem like a damn good idea

more police patrols, sure, but stopping evryone, and walking around like mexican federales, seems a bit overkill
 
2012-12-18 08:56:00 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

The 4th Amendment and the Supreme Court would like to have a word...
 
2012-12-18 08:56:10 PM  
So it begins!!!!
 
2012-12-18 08:56:23 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


Sounds like he's agreeing with you. As am I. Note to self: Stay the fark out of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:13 PM  
Stovall said he did not consult an attorney before announcing his plans to combat crime. He even remained undaunted when comparing his proposed tactics with martial law, explaining that "I don't know that there's ever been a difference" between his proposals and martial law.


I farking hate small town bullshiat like this
 
2012-12-18 08:57:21 PM  
As if I actually needed a reason to avoid that shiathole of a state.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:55 PM  
i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....
 
2012-12-18 08:57:58 PM  
Sonce I have nothing to hide, knock yourselves out.
 
2012-12-18 08:58:38 PM  

BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.


From your link:

Officers had stopped a truck that Mr. Carter was a passenger in after someone called 911 to report that it was being driven with its headlights off

Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?
 
2012-12-18 08:58:52 PM  
So Soviet Russia is now in Arkansas?
 
2012-12-18 08:59:01 PM  

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this



Very little; the town is 98% white.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:09 PM  
This thread is depressing as hell. I'm heartened by the fact that the truly outrageous stories, like beating a guy for failure to produce ID, seem to have all happened in the 80s.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:24 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place...


Bathia_Mapes: That's all fine and good, except for the fact that taking a walk isn't loitering. I can't speak for everyone, but when I'm taking a walk I'm not lingering.


Better hope your walk doesn't look like prowling.
 
2012-12-18 08:59:51 PM  

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS
 
2012-12-18 09:00:03 PM  

iron_city_ap: Sonce I have nothing to hide, knock yourselves out.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 09:00:06 PM  

GAT_00: The_Original_Roxtar: GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?

the NRA is fighting for your right to own a weapon... so when these jackbooted thugs decide they're tired of "walking the streets" and "asking for ID" and decide to just come in and make themselves at home, you and for fellow citizens have some recourse other than "bend over and take it"


So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?



Absolutely! With fully-automatic, .50-caliber machine guns and mortars!
 
2012-12-18 09:00:56 PM  
Sweet Zombie Jesus some of those comments are just awful...
 
2012-12-18 09:01:03 PM  

fknra: i could care less if they posted riot patrolmen every block.

but checking for papers simply for walking?

step 1: lawyer on speed dial
step 2: go for walk
step 3: $$$$

constitutions pretty clear on that one.....


Just make sure to pull your phone out slowly so he doesn't mistake it for a gat.
 
2012-12-18 09:01:11 PM  
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.
 
2012-12-18 09:01:36 PM  
Strength through unity. Unity through faith. Arkansas prevails!
 
2012-12-18 09:02:08 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Police suck at the job? /Alternately cops committing the crimes!
 
2012-12-18 09:02:59 PM  

Diogenes: If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.


if you're out walking the dog, you're not doing anything wrong. still doesn't give the cops the right to act like pricks. how many crimes will happen while cops are harrassing citizens who they know are just minding their business? what happens when a cop doesn't believe someone is just walking their dog or walking to 7-11 or anything else benign? where's the ACLU?
 
2012-12-18 09:03:43 PM  
Yay America!!!
 
2012-12-18 09:04:42 PM  

BronyMedic: Meth and the drug trade.


They should make that stuff illegal and ban it.

 
2012-12-18 09:05:58 PM  
If I'm walking around Arkansas, the police should stop me. Because I've been kidnapped and drugged.
Seriously, f*ck that place.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:05 PM  
This is your regular reminder that you don't get to pick and choose amongst your favorite constitutional rights.

If you are angry about incursions upon your 1st and 3rd Amendment rights, then don't turn around and try to support incursions upon others' 2nd Amendment rights.

The Constitution - We the People.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:35 PM  
Well I know this can't be happening in Arkansas, because guns are really popular there, and the gun lobby told me that tyranny can't be imposed on an armed population. The story is clearly wrong.
 
2012-12-18 09:06:53 PM  
Arkanazis
 
2012-12-18 09:07:37 PM  
first they can stop this article and ask it why its text keeps jumping around.
 
2012-12-18 09:07:48 PM  

GAT_00: This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?


If you knew anything about the origins of the 2nd Amendment, you'd know this is precisely what its authors were hoping to prevent.
 
2012-12-18 09:08:13 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Similar happened to me in Houston in the early eighties -- not a small town.


Harris County Sheriffs Department had a reputation for thuggery during the 70's and 80's. A few lawsuits have mellowed them out some, I think, but I haven't had any interaction with them for years.
 
2012-12-18 09:08:28 PM  
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school shooting, then it would be appropriate to increase police presence.
 
For instance, two years ago our local high school was the subject of a very specific, very plausible threat of multiple shooters entering the school through various doors.  Our team was deployed to the school, in tac gear, and placed at entry points where bags were searched and portable metal detectors were utilized.  The (two) would be shooters saw this, and left the scene in their vehicle, only to be stopped by an alert patrol officer who arrested them after smelling marijuana in the vehicle, and locating the firearms.  THAT would be an appropriate instance where a SWAT team might be activated in a less-traditional role.
 
I certainly hope there's follow-up here and the Chief decides his course of action is inappropriate and figures out another crime-suppression idea.
 
We in the law enforcement field get a bad rap a lot of the time, and a lot of the time its deserved.  These types of heavy handed tactics are one of the reasons why.  We must find a way to balance the community oriented service that's so important, with the obvious need for (in some instances) a para-military type response to very specific incidents to preserve life and public safety.  THIS is not one of those instances.
 
Flame away.
 
2012-12-18 09:09:04 PM  

mittromneysdog: Well I know this can't be happening in Arkansas, because guns are really popular there, and the gun lobby told me that tyranny can't be imposed on an armed population. The story is clearly wrong.


Careful what you wish for, somebody who's already "on edge" might just decide to prove you wrong and light this powder keg.

/This is starting to get surreal
 
2012-12-18 09:09:10 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


tl;dr
 
2012-12-18 09:09:38 PM  

GAT_00: So you're saying the NRA is fighting for your right to shoot police officers?


If a cop invades a home without a warrant or just cause, I'd say that's the risk they're taking.
 
2012-12-18 09:10:03 PM  

BronyMedic: It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.


legalize it already.
 
2012-12-18 09:10:08 PM  

Vectron: Paragould, Arkansas has only 25,000 people, but is one of the most dangerous towns in America.

According to statistics from city-data.com, Paragould has had a property crime index rating that is more than double the national average since 2007. Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults are also above the national average.

[www.opposingviews.com image 301x251]

So what is going on there?


Rapes, burglaries, thefts and assaults, apparently.

/ probably not the answer you were looking for
 
2012-12-18 09:10:20 PM  

brigid_fitch: Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link



"if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement. "
 
2012-12-18 09:10:38 PM  
Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:20 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Well, first of all you are a f... actually, you are the wor... wait, everything you said is correct. Jerk!!
 
2012-12-18 09:11:38 PM  

Happy Hours: Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?


Probably not 911 worthy, but it's one of the signs of a drunk driver.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:48 PM  

utah dude: BronyMedic: It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.

legalize it already.


i'd rather a bounty on meth heads
 
2012-12-18 09:12:20 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Too reasonable to flame, sorry.
 
2012-12-18 09:12:22 PM  
Yeah, there is a reason Adolph did not consult an attorney. He might want to read Terry v. Ohio for starters...
 
2012-12-18 09:12:38 PM  
Most people are naturally find actions like those of the AUTHORATAYS in TFA repugnant, nauseating, repulsive.
 
Same goes for things like the TSA's actions at airports, the wholesale confiscation of firearms, warrantless searches, wiretaps, etc.
 
Fortunately for the Authoritarians, incidents like 9-11 and Sandy Hooks actually inspire the stupefied public to BEG them to take our rights, our freedoms, our dignity, and our liberty.
 
Lucky break for the Authoritarians, no?
 
/Suckers
 
2012-12-18 09:12:45 PM  

Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.


Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?
 
2012-12-18 09:13:46 PM  

You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS


From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.
 
2012-12-18 09:14:44 PM  

Raspil: Diogenes: If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.

if you're out walking the dog, you're not doing anything wrong. still doesn't give the cops the right to act like pricks. how many crimes will happen while cops are harrassing citizens who they know are just minding their business? what happens when a cop doesn't believe someone is just walking their dog or walking to 7-11 or anything else benign? where's the ACLU?

 
 
When they came for the ACLU, I said nothing, because I didn't have A CLUe.
 
2012-12-18 09:15:21 PM  
As long as we don't have to quarter them in any homes in the city, i guess this is on the up and up.
 
2012-12-18 09:15:25 PM  
Man, you red states sure love your freedoms.
 
2012-12-18 09:16:15 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Remember, meth users - drive to where you're going. Bum a ride, steal a car - but, for the love of all that is holy, don't walk!
 
2012-12-18 09:16:18 PM  
Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.
 
2012-12-18 09:16:24 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


nah, a lot of cops really are good people who go into it to help folks and just get jaded dealing with bs

still, many others are jack-booted fascists compensating for tiny penises/daddy issues

I just wish more cops would live in 'high crime' areas and get to know folks...talk to them...instead of the current siege mentality of so many places in America where an armed gestapo rolls in treating everyone like dirt.

just my two cents, man

can I have a donut?
 
2012-12-18 09:16:32 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.


Okay.

Ummmm... go eat a donut... ?

Got nothing.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:13 PM  

Coastalgrl: Slightly different but here is an example. I'm flying to parents house in NY for the holidays. I bought an extra gift for my mother. Something easily slid into my suitcase. However, I'm too afraid of the TSA lifting said gift if it was in my checked bags so I'm shipping it separately.

Where is America? This can't be it!

/Gift was only $20
//Still don't trust them.


They aren't really that into vibrators.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:16 PM  

Honest Bender: Seeing as how I live in California, the conversation would go as such:

Police: "Why are you out walking around?"
Me: "Because it's not against the law."
Police: "Can I see your ID?"
Me: "No."

Police: *any additional questions*
Me: "If I'm not under arrest, I'm ending this conversation and walking away. If I am under arrest, I want my lawyer."

/The end.


You sound white.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:40 PM  

PreMortem: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.


Deemed a terrorist, stripped of citizenship, renditioned to a black ops site, tortured, killed and disappeared.

Finished that for you.

Your family will be responsible for the disposal bill. You're welcome.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:55 PM  

GAT_00: tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998

I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.


Hate to break it to you... We got that in blue states too. Its a fed law I believe.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:26 PM  

Mr.Man: Meanwhile,the world despises America for it's freedoms.


I'm pretty sure it's more for your misuse of the apostrophe.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:34 PM  

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


I have a feeling I'd be arrested in that town just for having the wrong accent....

/ Northerner
 
2012-12-18 09:18:45 PM  

Happy Hours: BronyMedic: revrendjim: Note to self: Avoid Arkansas.

You really think I'm kidding on this one.

From your link:

Officers had stopped a truck that Mr. Carter was a passenger in after someone called 911 to report that it was being driven with its headlights off

Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?


Could be interpreted as a drunk driver, but that would depend on the time. 9pm? Probably just forgot to turn them on. 2am? Probable cause.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:52 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Vectron: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 12:05 PM CST
Paragould police have canceled the remaining two town hall meetings that had been planned to discuss crime in Paragould after extensive public outcry over the department's controversial proposal to lower the crime rate.

Wow.... Their response to people not like their plans is to keep people from telling them that they don't like their plans?


Your police state has determined that your outrage is not relevant to their intentions, so conducting a so-called "town hall meeting" is pointless.

And, of course, this won't affect the rich or middle class, who will happily drive to where they're buying their drugs and killing their foes - this is just meant to intimidate the poor. In Arkansas, well, I'm betting that most of the folks in that town are poor. Castigate me for the stereotype, but why else would this be cost-efficient, except as an urban pacification effort.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:09 PM  

Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.


 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:22 PM  

dickfreckle: I was visiting a suburb of Nashville when I needed cigarettes and beer. Thing is, everyone in the house had been drinking, so no one could drive. My host told me that the convenience store was about a mile down the road. Being a city-dweller, I walk at least a mile per day and never think twice about it. Neither do the other 40 bajillion people doing it.

But in places like that, WALKING is a suspicious activity. Never mind that I was doing the responsible thing (not driving buzzed). A cop stopped me anyway after getting a call from a 'concerned resident.' Keep in mind that I am clean-cut white boy. Well-dressed, even.

He asked what I was doing, and I happily gave an answer. Then he asked for my ID. This is when I got pissed. "Why? I'm just walking to the store?"

"Sir, I need to see your ID or there will be a problem. Do you want this to be a problem?"

"Apparently I do, because I'm not handing over papers just for walking to a convenience store."

You have to remember that while I was legally too drunk to drive, I wasn't publicly wasted or anything. I was upright and walking in a perfectly straight line. Anyway, I began walking off, in my original direction. He yelled at me to stop a few times but I was so irritated that I didn't care. He must have figured out that a clean-cut white boy walking on his blessed suburban streets was probably not a big deal after all, and he didn't pursue me.

Now imagine if I were black or brown.

/I've always wondered which panty-pissing local was the one who was so shocked to see a pedestrian that she called the police



the local, if one actually called the police, would have been calling because they knew damn well you were either going to get mugged or beaten/stabbed/shot, or that you were looking to score illegal drugs, guns or sex. either way if someone did actually call the police they knew at a glance you weren't from there and you didn't belong there. my pasty white brother lives in Nashville 19 years. his neighborhood is just plain wrong, top to bottom. i hate that hell hole.
 
2012-12-18 09:19:36 PM  
Go Red Wolves!
 
2012-12-18 09:20:02 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?
 
2012-12-18 09:20:26 PM  

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]



That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.
 
2012-12-18 09:20:53 PM  
"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."
Gaskill backed Stovall's proposed actions during Thursday's town hall.
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."
 
 
USA! USA! USA!
Welcome to red state America, the home of REAL Americans.
Servile Americans.
 
2012-12-18 09:22:50 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."


How exactly do you prove you're taking a walk?
 
2012-12-18 09:22:58 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.


That's city cops on the mainland.Vancouver Island is an entirely different place.Equating cops in swat gear randomly hassling honest citizens to someone getting hassled over a bus ticket on city property is not even in the same league as this story.
 
2012-12-18 09:23:55 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.
 
2012-12-18 09:24:12 PM  
Heil Hilter motherfarkers!!!



Who the fark calls 911 to report a driver with no headlights?

Probably not 911 worthy, but it's one of the signs of a drunk driver.
So is a farkin car!
 
2012-12-18 09:24:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was ...



I won't get fired, just won't get promoted!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:26 PM  

Godscrack: Police everywhere this morning when I drove into town. I counted at least 8 in a 10 mile drive, five had people pulled over.

I Never see that many out at one time.

They're using the holidays as an excuse to put road blocks everywhere.


They were going door to door early this morning (3 am), rousting everyone into big vans. I'm sure they had their reasons.
 
2012-12-18 09:25:43 PM  
We can't discuss gun control, but we can sure as fark institute a police state!

/God bless America!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:49 PM  
It's for the children!
 
2012-12-18 09:25:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Mentat: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
 
I know that area and I have no clue how they could possible have enough crime there to justify this.


It's the Meth problem there. It's gotten really bad in the last few months.



I did not know that.  I was just down there last year for a family reunion and I hadn't heard anything about the meth problem getting worse.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:18 PM  

moothemagiccow: Girl on my facebook says she "calls 911 over everything" and urged others to do the same. She called 911 over her neighbors newspaper piling up. Woman was in the hospital.


I called 911 once after I chased 3 people off who were breaking into my car, at least one of which had a knife. They told me that 911 was only for emergencies.

Apparently since the thieves had fled the scene it wasn't an emergency. This was despite the fact that it was their 2nd time at my car. The first time the thief just stole the face-plate off the stereo. They had returned to get the rest of it.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:22 PM  

ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.



Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.
 
2012-12-18 09:26:27 PM  
www.celebrities.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 09:26:32 PM  

PreMortem: Where are all the 2nd Amendment cheerleaders who say the right to bear arms is to thwart an oppressive, tyrannical gov't?

Here's your chance. DO IT!



This!
 
2012-12-18 09:26:37 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?



This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.
 
2012-12-18 09:27:17 PM  

Mr.Man: That's city cops on the mainland.Vancouver Island is an entirely different place.Equating cops in swat gear randomly hassling honest citizens to someone getting hassled over a bus ticket on city property is not even in the same league as this story.


Yeah, I'm from Quebec. To me, RCMP ain't city cops. Looks like they are outside of this benighted province.
 
2012-12-18 09:27:51 PM  
No way this guy is insecure about the size of his dick.

www.paragoulddailypress.com
 
2012-12-18 09:28:07 PM  
Third World problems.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:24 PM  
Yeah, there are certain areas of town that pretty much everyone walking around in them need to be stopped, questioned, tasered, searched and arrested. In that order. Sane people stay away from those areas. And the ones who somehow wandered into them would probably welcome some police company.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:26 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)

I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:29 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I won't get fired, just won't get promoted!


Or you'll get Serpico'ed.
 
2012-12-18 09:28:34 PM  
Arkansas is a beautiful state. It's a shame it's wasted on the Arkansans.
 
2012-12-18 09:29:13 PM  
Just legalize it or ban it
 
2012-12-18 09:29:15 PM  

BronyMedic: Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

 
 
I see that I'm not needed here.
 
We drive down I-55 all the time and we swear never to get off at any exit between Blytheville and West Memphis mainly because they're trashy and full of people hopped up on meth.
 
All places of hopelessness and despair. Maybe this would actually be an improvement for these godforsaken hellholes.
 
2012-12-18 09:30:39 PM  
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!
 
2012-12-18 09:31:11 PM  

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]


That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.



Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
 
2012-12-18 09:31:18 PM  
The sad fact is that most people in this country don't want to be free. They just want the government to make them feel safe.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:03 PM  

brap: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 387x225]

 
 
That is the first and only time that meme has made me larf.
 
 
Made it this morning. Glad you liked it.  
 
Please feel free to steal and share.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:27 PM  

whatshisname: Third World problems.

 
 
That part of Arkansas is pretty much Third World.
 
2012-12-18 09:32:37 PM  

trappedspirit: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!


That's 9/10 thinking. Think of the children, if mandatory stops and searches saves ONE child's life then do we really need to worry about the constitution? Do you not care if children die you monster?

/This is what I keep getting told regarding the 2nd amendment
 
2012-12-18 09:33:03 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: So, when do you get fired?


Ba ZING!
 
2012-12-18 09:33:12 PM  
WOW wow
 
DOUBLE POSTIES double posties
 
COOL cool
 
2012-12-18 09:33:34 PM  
The large group of people who want the U.S. to become Saudi Arabia is getting closer and closer to achieving their dream.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:06 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


This
 
2012-12-18 09:34:37 PM  

jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.


Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:54 PM  
Things must be really getting meth-y down there is this is seen as a rational response.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:10 PM  
Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:16 PM  

TommyymmoT: "Criminals don't like being talked to."


When you have is a hammer, everyone looks like a criminal.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:57 PM  

Mikey1969: jayhawk88: Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.

Not only that, but cops violating the Fourth Amendment while they're at it.



We stopped paying attention to those pesky "amendments" decades ago.
 
Get with the times, bro!
 
2012-12-18 09:37:52 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)

I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members.


Mixed answer. All of our SWAT guys are patrol units that are SWAT as an additional duty. There are no "full time" guys. All patrol units will have a long gun in them either a shotgun or a patrol rifle (M-4) so just because a guy pulls a rifle out it doesn't make him a SWAT team member. We do try and make sure there are a few SWAT guys on each shift so we can have a partial element available at any given time.
 
2012-12-18 09:37:58 PM  
I actually live a few miles away from Paragould. This city has had a lot of violent crime lately - murders, robberies, gang activity, etc. The places they plan to patrol are the high crime areas (read: housing projects).

"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

Really? Since when did the Constitution and the Rules of Criminal Procedure change just because people are scared? I think that this is a blatant violation of people's rights and expect to see a followup story very soon about the NAACP, ACLU, etc. getting involved and filing lawsuits. The police chief in Paragould sounds like an uneducated "good ole boy" with a "by-God" complex. You know, I can do it because "by-God" I'm the Chief of Police! I'd be interested to see what the Justice Department does with this once the complaints start rolling in.

This good ole boy was faced with a PR nightmare of having crime going haywire on his watch so I guess this was the answer.
 
2012-12-18 09:38:33 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members. 
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.


You wear Sapi plates all day? My condolences.
 
2012-12-18 09:39:31 PM  

clyph: Insatiable Jesus: You sound like a decent person with an understanding of how law enforcement should work in a sane community. So, when do you get fired?


This.
 
I may have been wrong about my previous comment.   There are 3 kinds of cops:
 
1 - Dirty cops
2 - Cops who cover for dirty cops
3 - Cops who haven't gotten fired yet
 
Type 3's generally don't last for long.



It's a shame too. Our communities could be so much better and safer with cops being a part of them, not seen as outsiders to be mistrusted. When I first moved to Atlanta I moved into a crappy apartment complex at first. They had a cop living in that complex because the petty crime and drugs had gotten so bad there. And they all knew him and he knew every one of them. They used to bring all sorts of petty crap directly to him at his door, sometimes they'd be waiting for him to get home - like 5 crackheads actually waiting for a cop so they can argue about who stole whose Oreos, lol. He said the city actually paid for his housing so it was worth the hassle and he felt like he was actually getting to do some good as a cop.

We should have cops in all of our communities like this, that know the people and keep an ear out. Might have ended differently for the Lanzas and if such a cop existed in their neighborhood.

If Andy Griffith ever felt the need to patrol Mayberry with a BAR, you know there was an ironclad reason for it. These guys, I think they just think it goes with the costume.
 
2012-12-18 09:39:42 PM  
<p><em>As of the census[5] of 2000, there were 22,017 people, 8,941 households, and 6,133 families residing in the city. The population density was 714.6 people per square mile (275.9/km²). There were 9,789 housing units at an average density of 317.7 per square mile (122.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city was <strong>97.87% White</strong>, 0.04% Black or African American, 0.42% Native American, 0.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.56% from other races, and 0.86% from two or more races. 1.33% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. </em></p>

<p> </p>

<p>It also voted for Romney 66-29.</p>

<p> </p>

<p>/just sayin </p>
 
2012-12-18 09:39:57 PM  
**reads article**
 
**dials Attorney**
 
Mr. Attorney: "How may I help you?"
 
Me: "I am going for a walk tonight, would you like to join me?"
 
/Profit
 
2012-12-18 09:40:17 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.


I don't. I just have an issue with the university PD (an actual, accredited PD, not just rent-a-cops) not allowing at least staff/faculty to carry on campus. I have a lot of respect for them, but if someone decides to turn my library into a shooting gallery, I'd like to have something other than my pocket knife (technically not allowed, but they give me that leeway). When seconds count, they're on the scene in minutes. It's just a simple fact of physics. They can't be everywhere at once, and they can't teleport to where they're needed.

The chief and I have had this debate since I started working there...
 
2012-12-18 09:40:31 PM  
First, that website is unfarking readable, why does the picture keeping changing size and movieng the spot I'm trying to read?

Second, maybe they should look into the Exile program that NPR was discussing in baltimore to address crime, it seems to be very successful and doesn't sound like a facist fark over of the citizens.
 
2012-12-18 09:40:46 PM  
Papiere, bitte.
 
2012-12-18 09:40:59 PM  

Vectron: Wow, now I'm impressed:
Two Major League Baseball players were born in Paragould: Marlin Stuart (1918) and Weldon Bowlin (1940).
Famed bank robber and Kansas City Massacre figure Frank "Jelly" Nash lived in Paragould and is entombed in Linwood Cemetery.
Paragould's Capitol Theatre (now known as the Collins Theatre) hosted the 1941 world premiere of The Man Who Came to Dinner starring Bette Davis and Paragould's own Bill Justice, known as Richard Travis in Hollywood.
Home of long time Arkansas State Treasurer Jimmie Lou Fisher.
Singer and folk/country song writer, Iris DeMent was born and lived her first 3 years in Paragould.
B-Movie actress, 50's glamour girl and famed trick-shot golfer Jeanne Carmen was born in Paragould. 
It's The Manhattan of the Ozarks!


Wrong side of the state. The Ozarks are in Northwest Arkansas. It can be the Manhattan of Crowley's Ridge, though. Or the Delta.

/pet peeve
//Arkansan
 
2012-12-18 09:41:31 PM  
BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
2012-12-18 09:41:51 PM  
Hey I've been waiting for this thread to show up! It's my hometown and it's been really shocking to see it hit national news. Paragould is such a 'nothing ever happens here' kind of town.
This has been really depressing but I'm glad it has been plastered across the internet because honestly I wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. I knew they were having townhall meetings over town on how to approach an increase in crimes, but I hadn't initially heard how they intended to do it.

It kind of hurts me to see people call Mayor Gaskill out. My cousin's lived next to him when I was young so I spent a lot of time around him and his family. His son was in my grade in school and was a friend to me as well. Most of me wants to say that this is just a naive overreaction to a wave of crimes (mostly theft, not violent) that has got the scared old folks in a tizzy.

I have to temper that though with the knowledge that Paragould was one of the 'Sundown' towns up through about the mid-nineties. Through that perspective and knowing that the 'ethnic' population of the town has been increasing of late, it becomes really easy to see where this law is going to end up, and I don't like it. Not to mention, that kind of firepower is just gross overkill and intimidation.

Anyway, Paragould wasn't a bad place to grow up.
/As a white kid.
//with middle class parents.
///sigh
 
2012-12-18 09:41:56 PM  

LuciferSatannica: This good ole boy was faced with a PR nightmare of having crime going haywire on his watch so I guess this was the answer.



And now he can just blame it on liberals at the ACLU and go right back to being a woefully ineffective LEO. Win!
 
2012-12-18 09:42:23 PM  
Why does new FARK hate iPhones?
 
2012-12-18 09:42:23 PM  
Soooo...nobody's going to be taking any Ingress portals in Paragould then?
 
2012-12-18 09:42:32 PM  

Amos Quito: tshauk: If your a law abiding citizen; refuse to show your ID especially without cause.  Take the arrest, say nothing, demand an attorney, say nothing until your release then sue, sue, sue.....it's just that easy and you will eventually win.
 
 
Of course there's always the chance that you will be shot dead as you try to pull a "concealed weapon", or "resist arrest" (all witnessed by other officers, of course), or you might just get tired of life and commit suicide by hanging yourself in your cell while you await bail.
 
These things happen all the time.



Law abiding citizens gunned downed by the police for refusing to produce an ID while out for a stroll..
Yeah happens all the time.
 
/Nozzle
 
2012-12-18 09:42:45 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: You are Borg: timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.

My boyfriend and his 6 year old daughter were in a public place, waiting for the seabus, when two cops came up and asked him what he was doing. He said "waiting for the seabus", they asked him for prof of payment, which is not their job but the job of Transit Police, after some back and forth he produced his bus pass. They then threatened to revoke his pass because it was not signed and he may have stolen it from someone or somewhere(You DO NOT have to sign your monthly bus pass, that is straight from the mouth of Transit), they then started to harass him to produce ID, and accused him of loitering, even though he was waiting at a public quay for public transit. He refused to show his ID, they then started asking him where the mother was, and was this indeed, his child? They then threatened to take his child down to child services if he did not leave the area, so he called their bluff, and eventually bought a $2.50 pass for the bus, because they wouldn't let him get on with the monthly pass he already possessed, got one of the officers badge numbers, and left when the seabus arrived. He then filed a complaint with the RCMP and a few weeks ago received 2 personal apologies from the officers, who now have a blip on both their records , which I want to frame for him.
/CSS

From your profile: "It's hard to beat living in BC and on Vancouver Island."

Doesn't sound like it, though.


He lives in Vancouver, it's a slightly bigger city. All cities have their problems, no place is perfect.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:33 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Could be interpreted as a drunk driver, but that would depend on the time. 9pm? Probably just forgot to turn them on. 2am? Probable cause.


It's definitely a reason to get pulled over, but I wouldn't call 911 over it.

When I was a teen I got pulled over for no headlights. The cops probably wanted to make sure I wasn't drunk. I hadn't been drinking at all. They didn't even ask for my ID.

That's fairly reasonable. It would have even been reasonable to run my license and check my insurance.

When I see someone with no lights at night I just assume they forgot. It's fairly easy to not notice your lights aren't on in most cities which have streetlights.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!


BronyMedic: Why does new FARK hate iPhones?


Wtf are you two talking about? Looks the same to me.

/Is it just the mobile that changed or are you using the Fark app?
 
2012-12-18 09:43:57 PM  
I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 

Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.
 
2012-12-18 09:44:22 PM  
The average Republican's ability to whine nonstop about the abuse of government power while simultaneously supporting fascist police behavior like this is comparable to cases like Sybil and Norman Bates in terms of psychological bugnuttery. A brain so discombobulated it could qualify as a modern art masterpiece.
 
2012-12-18 09:45:59 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.


It was reasonable. I think fark thread degenerate into cop bashing because we also have a vocal contingent of vocal kneejerk authoritarians and badge lickers. In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure. Of course, my experience in these sort of threads tends to revolve around implementation of various public surveillance methods and general devolution of this republic into a jackbooted police state. At least we aren't so far gone that anyone thinks this is a good idea to have undeclared martial law.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:17 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team....


Stop. Making. So. Much. Sense.

/Aaaaand..., favorited.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:41 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!

 
BronyMedic: Why does new FARK hate iPhones?
 
Wtf are you two talking about? Looks the same to me.
 
/Is it just the mobile that changed or are you using the Fark app?
 
 
I'm online and for some reason when I try to post something or trying to make something italicized, it posts the code to italicize something instead of actually italicizing what I highlighted. Even though it gives me the option to use HTML or formatting buttons.
 
It's very annoying.
 
Why fix something that isn't broke Fark?
 
2012-12-18 09:46:49 PM  

Fano: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

It was reasonable. I think fark thread degenerate into cop bashing because we also have a vocal contingent of vocal kneejerk authoritarians and badge lickers. In this thread i haven't seen anyoneyone seriously defending this procedure. Of course, my experience in these sort of threads tends to revolve around implementation of various public surveillance methods and general devolution of this republic into a jackbooted police state. At least we aren't so far gone that anyone thinks this is a good idea to have undeclared martial law.


Do you have Gat_00 on ignore?
 
2012-12-18 09:47:15 PM  
Arkansas' super duper liberal newspaper: http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/12/18/paragould-pol ice-patrols-come-under-fire
the comments are worth the trek
 
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No man, thanks for doing a tough job.
 
2012-12-18 09:47:16 PM  

fusillade762: I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 
Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
 
 
Having problems myself.  Trying to switch back to HTML doesn't seem to work.



The problem is that in small town departments like that, anyone can call themselves SWAT. It's not like a larger department.
 
People on FARK do not realize how much of a circle jerk the small town police departments like this are.
 
2012-12-18 09:48:46 PM  
Show your ID, move on, and let's move on to the next manufactured outrage...
 
2012-12-18 09:49:43 PM  

Fail in Human Form: trappedspirit: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Prove to me that I am not walking my dog! Burden of proof and such as, jake ace!

That's 9/10 thinking. Think of the children, if mandatory stops and searches saves ONE child's life then do we really need to worry about the constitution? Do you not care if children die you monster?

/This is what I keep getting told regarding the 2nd amendment


I was just wondering what kind of proof, other than a dog, you need to claim that you are walking your dog?
 
2012-12-18 09:49:43 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team.  The idea behind a SWAT team is to respond to those types of calls where there is a higher likelihood of violence or armed resistance to law enforcement.  Hostage rescue, high risk warrants, barricaded persons, sniper situations, dignitary protection, active shooters, etc are all things we train for.  My team operates in a very low key manner.  Most of our citizens know we're there, and see us as a necessary component of the public safety department.  Overuse of a team is bad, just as underuse of a team is.  There's a happy medium that needs to be established.  You don't want to use your team as a routine warrant service team, and you also don't want to NOT use your team when its use would be appropriate.
 
The police chief of this agency needs to be replaced, and quickly.  This is a gross misuse of your team, and if the officers are behaving as this paper is reporting they will be, they need to go as well.  If a person is simply out walking their dog in a high crime area, that's not an indicator of crime.  If a person happens to live in a high crime area and goes for a job, they should be free to do so without interruption by the police.
 
This department has clearly never heard of Terry v. Ohio, which states that people cannot be detained unless an officer has reasonable suspicion that they are, have, or will commit a crime.  Simply walking in a neighborhood with your dog, or taking a stroll after dinner with your wife, does not rise to the level of reasonable suspicion.
 
Furthermore, having your officers deployed in tactical gear, carrying carbines is an unreasonable show of force to combat what doesn't appear to be an increase in violent crime.  Nor, does it seem, is the increase in force and presence the natural reaction to a specific threat of violence.  If they'd received intelligence that there was going to be a school sh ...


No flames. You nailed it. Terry v. Ohio says the proposed plan is unconstitutional- simple as that. You want to suspend those rights you'll first need to ask the feds to declare a disaster because what he's proposing is marshal law.

Stories like this make me very, very happy I live in a Deep Blue State.
 
2012-12-18 09:50:15 PM  
I don't trust anyone that is "fixing" to do anything.  If you are "fixing" to do something you are not doing something right or well thought out.
 
2012-12-18 09:50:50 PM  

Fail in Human Form: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Mitch Taylor's Bro:
 
Not a flame, but the article said: ""[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said." (Note: Stovall is Police Chief.)
 
I've seen what looked like regular cops pull AR-15s out of the trunks of their squad cars. Do SWAT teams drive around in regular squad cars? If not, perhaps the Chief is being a little loose with his terminology and the regular cops are going to be wearing body armor and walking around with AR-15s slung over their shoulders to try to intimidate the citizens into behaving themselves? In other words, they won't actually be SWAT team members. 
 
A lot of it depends on the agency, to be honest.  Places like NYPD, LAPD, Dallas PD, Miami-Dade, Las Vegas Metro, Washington D.C, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City, Atlanta, etc have full-time teams who do nothing but warrant services and respond to call-outs.  Their call loads are so busy that they can justify officers who do nothing but train and perform SWAT functions day in and day out.  For a majority of the teams in the country, they're patrol officers, detectives, etc who have additional SWAT team responsibilities.
 
My team is similar to the latter.  We're fairly busy, performing SWAT functions typically 2-3 times per week.  When i'm not doing that, I patrol in a marked police car.  The only difference between my car and the non-SWAT guys, is that I drive a Tahoe, they have Chargers.
 
We all wear  body armor under our uniforms, obviously our SWAT armor is a tac-vest rated to stop high powered rifle rounds that would slice right through the standard Level II or III body armor that most police wear on patrol duties.  Our weaponry is also different than a regular patrol officer.
 
I took the chief to mean that he was going to have officers in tac-gear walking around.  Which I vehemently disagree with.

 
You wear Sapi plates all day? My condolences.
 
 
No no no, we wear them in our tac-gear only.  Our regular patrol vests are like any other, soft armor only.  The longest I've worn my tac-gear was a 17 hour standoff, during which we rotated out with another team twice, so the longest was like...7 hours at a time.  Guy off'd himself at the end too.
 
2012-12-18 09:51:59 PM  

You are Borg: He lives in Vancouver, it's a slightly bigger city. All cities have their problems, no place is perfect.


Um, do all women on Vancouver Island look like you?
/packs bags
 
2012-12-18 09:52:06 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: ha-ha-guy: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Nem Wan: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Flame away.

Too reasonable to flame, sorry.

 
Well, I try my best to be reasonable.  I figured though, this being fark, and how the general trend is towards police articles, and as an extension, SWAT team use; that I was opening myself up to some pretty awesome flaming by revealing both my secret identities.
 
Truth be told, I joined the SWAT team mostly because it looked like a lot of farking fun, and it is.  The actions detailed in the article...not so fun.

Well you're from Indiana, so you didn't even go for the greatest of all evils, Indiana Excise Police.

/I was at a tailgate in South Bend and had an Indiana State Trooper warn me to hide the booze because "Those excise pigs are coming this way."
//you're cool until the day you do a no knock, fark up the address, raid some innocent dude's house.

WTF is excise police?
Farking Excise!  Farking State Police too!  I used to sit up the road from a Trooper and stop all the speeders and tell them to watch their speed or the Trooper up the road would give them a ticket.  He used to get so pissed.

 
2012-12-18 09:52:47 PM  

phamwaa: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, because Fark hates cops regardless of what they do.  
 
I'm a cop, I'm also a member of our SWAT team....

Stop. Making. So. Much. Sense.

/Aaaaand..., favorited.


I don't think i've ever been favorited!  I'll try not to let you down.
 
2012-12-18 09:53:06 PM  

BronyMedic: fusillade762: I think this nonsense will end as soon as people realize how much 24/7 SWAT patrols cost.
 
 
Mrtraveler01: BTW:
 
This new format Fark is using to post posts ABSOLUTELY SUCKS!
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