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(Some Guy)   Arkansas cops in full SWAT gear with AR-15s hanging around their neck will be deployed for routine foot patrol. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask you why you're out walking, and check for your ID"   (paragoulddailypress.com) divider line 549
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2012-12-18 03:36:58 PM
Someone please tell me you can find the stats on what kind of massive, shocking, unheard-of increase in crime a town of 26k could have, that would make cops walking around with AR-15's seem like a reasonable solution.
 
2012-12-18 03:38:30 PM
FREEDOM!

/f*cking idiots
 
2012-12-18 03:48:43 PM
I was sure this was going to be an Onion article.

I guess after they get cleared by the local patrol those walkers could be given a sticker or a patch so they wouldn't be continually harassed. You know - something obvious like a big yellow star would probably work.
 
2012-12-18 03:58:31 PM
And so it begins. So that's why we have all these terror attacks and senseless shootings.

Police want more control of it's citizens 'for their safety'.

Has nothing to do with gun control.
 
2012-12-18 04:22:39 PM
I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:10 PM
yeah, good luck with the lawsuits that are bound to happen from this.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:59 PM
WTF? This isn't how it happened in Red Dawn.
 
2012-12-18 04:37:03 PM
Would a laminated library card suffice?
 
2012-12-18 04:38:32 PM
It's only bad when white people are asked for their ID
 
2012-12-18 04:38:58 PM
In my state cops have to, in good faith, believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime to demand your ID. That's why you should listen for " can I see your ID?", then just say no.
 
2012-12-18 04:40:29 PM
>Reads Article.

Hmm. Paragould, AR, you say? That place makes Detroit look like a Paradise.

Yeah. They pretty much need it up there. The Meth gangs are going crazy at the moment. The most recent one was a week ago,when they had a carload of 15 year olds shot up by a rival gang. Shot the driver 23 times, the other two only got away because they dove out the window and ran for the woods.
 
2012-12-18 04:42:59 PM

Apos: Would a laminated library card suffice?


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"I would just like to say I approve this message."
 
2012-12-18 04:45:17 PM
"Pick up that can, y'all."
 
2012-12-18 04:46:00 PM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-18 04:46:06 PM

Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.


This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.
 
2012-12-18 04:46:37 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:47 PM
They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....
 
2012-12-18 04:50:20 PM

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.



Tazed, arrested, THEN ass kicked.
 
2012-12-18 04:50:58 PM
Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.
 
2012-12-18 04:51:11 PM
This seems rational. Is this the kind of freedom the NRA is fighting for?
 
2012-12-18 04:52:24 PM

timujin: Relatively Obscure: I guess I'd end up getting my ass kicked handily and arrested :(

I'm a pretty cooperative and compliant kind of dude, but no.

This.

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

And I'm going to say, "because I can" and "No, you can't see my ID"

And then get my ass kicked handily and arrested, I'm sure.


3) Profit
 
2012-12-18 04:52:48 PM
Papers, please.

prairiefirenews.com
 
2012-12-18 04:53:39 PM

Raharu: They have those weapons thanks to the war on drugs....


The answer is clear. We need a war on guns so we can be safe and get our drugs back.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:35 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this
 
2012-12-18 04:58:22 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Next, the populace is disarmed...for the children.


Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.
 
2012-12-18 05:00:30 PM
"To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.
 
2012-12-18 05:01:22 PM
And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998
 
2012-12-18 05:03:12 PM

thomps: "To ask you for your ID, I have to have a reason," he said. "Well, I've got statistical reasons that say I've got a lot of crime right now, which gives me probable cause to ask what you're doing out. Then when I add that people are scared...then that gives us even more [reason] to ask why are you here and what are you doing in this area."

uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


That IS pretty derpy.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:24 PM
 
2012-12-18 05:03:27 PM

tricycleracer: And in a dark-red county. For shame.

Greene
M. Romney GOP 65.9% 9,066
B. Obama (i) Dem 29.1% 3,998


I had to show my DL to buy Alka-Seltzer with decongestant in it yesterday. For being the party of freedom, you sure don't have a lot of it in GOP states.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:50 PM
Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said.


Oh, since they're doing it to everybody there shouldn't be a problem.

Papiere, Bitte
 
2012-12-18 05:04:05 PM
Hahhahaha holy shiat... statistics as probable cause
 
2012-12-18 05:07:44 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Oh? I thought this would be the exact thing you'd like- a no nonsense, if you are innocent you've done nothing to fear style law enforcement.

This is a red state southern strategy facism showing its ugly head.


So you're opposed to it to. Go to hear.
 
2012-12-18 05:08:35 PM

thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.


Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforcement officer;

(2) Refuses to identify himself or herself; or

(3) Manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object.

(c) Unless flight by the actor or another circumstance makes it impracticable, prior to an arrest for an offense under subdivision (a)(1) of this section a law enforcement officer shall afford the actor an opportunity to dispel any alarm that would otherwise be warranted by requesting the actor to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subdivision (a)(1) of this section if:

(1) The law enforcement officer did not afford the defendant an opportunity to identify himself or herself and explain his or presence and conduct; or

(2) It appears at trial that an explanation given by the defendant to the law enforcement officer was true and, if believed by the law enforcement officer at that time, would have dispelled the alarm.

(e) Loitering is a Class C misdemeanor.

 
2012-12-18 05:11:26 PM

BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this


What racial element? The city is 98% white.
 
2012-12-18 05:11:32 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Accepting lamenting the death of the Constitution and what it used to be like to be an American.
 
2012-12-18 05:12:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: BunkoSquad: Hmmm, I wonder if there will be a racial element to enforcement of this

What racial element? The city is 98% white.


OK. It's a trace element.
 
2012-12-18 05:13:02 PM
The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"
 
2012-12-18 05:15:11 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: "They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

Ah, yes; the central tenet of our justice system, guilty until proven innocent.


They also have a complete disregard of the Constitution:

Papachristou v Jacksonville. You can't ask someone for ID just because he's out walking the dog, riding a bike, or just hanging around.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:18 PM
"They may not be doing anything but walking their dog," he said. "But they're going to have to prove it."

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

Deal with it.
 
2012-12-18 05:15:24 PM

revrendjim: The correct answer is "That's none of your business. Am I being detained? Am I free to leave now?"


You're likely to shoot yourself in the face while handcuffed in the back of a squad car if you do that up in that corner of Arkansas.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:06 PM
This is how authoritarians rule.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:56 PM
This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.
 
2012-12-18 05:18:34 PM

BronyMedic: thomps: uh, i don't think that's how probable cause works.

Reading Arkansas State law, you don't need probible cause to do a stop and identify. 5-71-213 provides that anyone suspected of loitering in an area can be stopped and asked to identify themselves with their State ID.

(a) A person commits the offense of loitering if he or she:

(1) Lingers, remains, or prowls in a public place or the premises of another without apparent reason and under circumstances that warrant alarm or concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity and, upon inquiry by a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself and give a reasonably credible account of his or her presence and purpose;

(2) Lingers, remains, or prowls in or near a school building, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a student and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant permission;

(3) Lingers or remains in a public place or on the premises of another for the purpose of begging;

(4) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawful gambling;

(5) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging or soliciting another person to engage in prostitution or deviate sexual activity;

(6) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or using a controlled substance;

(7) Lingers or remains in a public place for the purpose of unlawfully buying, distributing, or consuming an alcoholic beverage;

(8) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of another for the purpose of spying upon or invading the privacy of another; or

(9) Lingers or remains on or about the premises of any off-site customer-bank communication terminal without any legitimate purpose.

(b) Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether a person is loitering are that the person:

(1) Takes flight upon the appearance of a law enforce ...


Stop and identify is not stop and show ID. There was a case from Nevada where SCOTUS said cops could ask your name and you had to give your real name. Link
 
2012-12-18 05:20:19 PM

Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.


Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.
 
2012-12-18 05:22:45 PM
I'm glad *somebody* is finally enforcing our Mopery laws.
 
2012-12-18 05:24:21 PM
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"Oh....I'm afraid martial law edicts will be quite operational for the foreseeable future."
 
2012-12-18 05:24:35 PM
ACLU travel agent postponing his xmas break.

/fortunately he's jewish
 
2012-12-18 05:27:38 PM
Yeah this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
 
2012-12-18 05:28:54 PM

BronyMedic: Revek: This sounds like bullshiat. Just one trip to the judge will give little hitler there a crimp in his mein kampf. Unless of course he avoids the people he knows can beat him about the head with a lawyer.

Your assumption is that the "good judge" in charge of the court in Paragould will give a shiat.

If you've ever been there (I have.), you'll find it's not the case. In that corner, once you get out of Jonesboro, the cops and the courts are slimy. Hell, I've never heard of a city department being prohibited BY THE STATE from speed trapping until I heard about Tyronza.


No my assumption is that he will avoid anyone who can afford a locally well connected lawyer. Its clear that he isn't going to go after Grampa or little bobby just riding their bike. He's gonna go after sir meths a lot with the beat up bike and the dvd player under his arm.
 
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