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(The New Yorker)   The story of constructed language Ithkuil, designed to be both maximally precise and maximally concise. Come for the fascinating discussion on linguistics, stay for the bizarre right-wing hate group adopting use of the language   (newyorker.com) divider line 32
    More: Interesting, Ithkuil, linguistics, Robert Heinlein, Caspian Sea, ambiguity, artificial languages  
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2012-12-18 05:56:27 PM
7 votes:
d6xokdhfna55s.cloudfront.net
2012-12-18 05:28:41 PM
6 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: How do you say "esperanto" in Ithkuil?


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2012-12-18 07:32:57 PM
5 votes:
Well, at least now I know where meow said the dog gets his stuff.
2012-12-18 05:34:27 PM
5 votes:

Counter_Intelligent: So, an over-purposeful, artificial language. Like newspeak.


Or Java.
2012-12-18 06:15:21 PM
3 votes:
tl;dr

/how's that for concise, Cochise?
2012-12-18 05:57:31 PM
3 votes:

clovis69: Holy crap that was interesting.

I will never underestimate DMV workers again.


I think that article just emphasizes how useless DMV workers are.
2012-12-18 05:27:43 PM
3 votes:
How do you say "esperanto" in Ithkuil?
2012-12-18 07:18:45 PM
2 votes:
What a cunning linguist!

/really, 75 comments in and I'm the first?
//very interesting read
2012-12-18 06:19:32 PM
2 votes:
So they talk about Wilkins and Hooke but no mention of Waterhouse? I'm not falling for this crap.
2012-12-18 05:54:17 PM
2 votes:
Mi fartas bone.
2012-12-18 05:51:30 PM
2 votes:
Holy crap that was interesting.

I will never underestimate DMV workers again.
2012-12-18 05:45:15 PM
2 votes:

lockers: great vowel migration


I preferred Vowel Goes West.
2012-12-18 05:38:00 PM
2 votes:
FTFA:
I was a third humbled, a third flattered, and a third intrigued

Or "thtfti", in Izgudese.
2012-12-18 05:29:15 PM
2 votes:
So, an over-purposeful, artificial language. Like newspeak.
2012-12-19 01:05:43 PM
1 votes:
Hmm, late again. I'll just leave this here.

lolpics.se
2012-12-19 10:17:53 AM
1 votes:

Baryogenesis: ilambiquated: MemeSlave: Ebonics IS a poor command of the English language.

That's an example of what's called "prescriptive" linguistics. Most people interested in languages are interested in "descriptive" linguistics.

Irregardless, amateur grammar Nazis tend to be prescriptive.


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2012-12-19 06:59:12 AM
1 votes:

ilambiquated: MemeSlave: Ebonics IS a poor command of the English language.

That's an example of what's called "prescriptive" linguistics. Most people interested in languages are interested in "descriptive" linguistics.


Irregardless, amateur grammar Nazis tend to be prescriptive.
2012-12-19 03:20:13 AM
1 votes:

lantawa: Well, because this is Fark, here's the world's compendium of swear words in all languages, starting with Tagalog
 
It is not safe for work
 
http://www.youswear.com/index.asp?language=Tagalog+%28Philippine%29

 
I see that your website has a Nepali page, and includes my favorite Nepali swear word, "Chickne."
 
When I lived in Nepal, I had a Peace Corps friend who was in training to become a math teacher, and he was working with some younger kids, doing practice teaching.  Since he was still in training, the trainer (who was fluent in both Nepali and English) was in the classroom observing his lesson.  The subject was addition, and my friend delivered the lesson in his best Nepali.
 
My friend divided the students into groups of four and gave each group a box of matches.  As he was telling the students what to do, he gave the instruction "Remove the matches from the box," but he mispronounced the verb for "remove."  The Nepali verb he wanted was "Jickne," but what he actually said was "Chickne."  The students burst out laughing.
 
Later, my friend asked the trainer why the students had laughed.  The trainer explained that he had used the verb "Chickne" when he should have said "Jickne."  "Chickne" is a vulgar word meaning "to copulate" or "to have six with."  So instead of saying, "Remove the matches from the box," what he had actually told the children was, "Fark the matches in the box"!
 
/Then there's the American tourist who went into a bar intended to ask for a pisco sour, but accidentally asked for a "pico sour" instead.
//  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pisco_sour
/// "Pico" is Chilean slang for "penis"
2012-12-19 12:06:12 AM
1 votes:

casual disregard: Submitter here. I actually felt my heart break when I noticed Ithkuil had been embraced by terrorists.

Part of me, saying this as a USA citizen, wants to found a "daughter" country of the USA just to prove it's possible. And in doing so there would be two official languages: English would be spoken and written and Ithkuil would be the lingua franca. Or, I suppose, the lingua ithkuil.

Breaks my farking heart to see a hate group endorsing it, though.


Meh. I'm sure many anti-Semites piss into toilets while standing up.

Doesn't mean I'm going to put the seat down.

/why let douchebags ruin good things?
2012-12-18 10:03:49 PM
1 votes:

casual disregard: I think I agree with you. Except I have never witnissed Ithkuil fail :3 I would much prefer to witness the event in real-time than to pre-suppose it must be a dead idea.


What happens when two Ithkuil speakers disagree on how to translate a word or concept? Say that you (taking the example from the article) think that gawk contains an element of surprise and I think that gawk contains an element of stupidity?
2012-12-18 09:03:33 PM
1 votes:
Ha, I thought that link was how to speak Elvis,not elvish
2012-12-18 07:58:01 PM
1 votes:
^too

I typo'd in a linguist thread.
2012-12-18 07:10:36 PM
1 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: Imray Klaatu narruwak. Micro pru val barata luke dinsal inkaplis. Yabu tari axel bugettio barengi-degas.


"Bah Weep Granah Weep Ninni Bong!"
2012-12-18 06:42:08 PM
1 votes:
Solresol, the creation of a French musician named Jean-François Sudre, was among the first of these universal languages to gain popular attention. It had only seven syllables: Do, Re, Mi, Fa, So, La, and Si. Words could be sung, or performed on a violin. Or, since the language could also be translated into the seven colors of the rainbow, sentences could be woven into a textile as a stream of colors.

Whar chromatic variants? Whar?
2012-12-18 06:11:07 PM
1 votes:
You know, it's like I always say:
 
upload.wikimedia.org 
2012-12-18 05:58:59 PM
1 votes:
Parolante nur por mi mem, mi kredas ke tiu estas senmanka. 
2012-12-18 05:56:17 PM
1 votes:
I know the New Yorker also has a print magazine. Do they publish just one article per issue? Or is each issue the size of a phone book?

/that article would have been shorter in Ithkuil.
2012-12-18 05:52:21 PM
1 votes:

EnglishMan:

I'd rather not imagine a society where the law is written in a language most people can't understand.


Law in the US is written in English, supposedly, but have you tried to read any of it?
2012-12-18 05:48:13 PM
1 votes:
There was a (possibly semi-joking) proposal to run Lojban through some sort of Huffman coding, to form a language called Plan B. I thought it was a fun idea, even though it was relentlessly mocked. :)
2012-12-18 05:48:04 PM
1 votes:
Imray Klaatu narruwak. Micro pru val barata luke dinsal inkaplis. Yabu tari axel bugettio barengi-degas.
2012-12-18 05:45:12 PM
1 votes:
I'd be very surprised if the average right wing hater could learn this. I mean study it out.
2012-12-18 05:34:28 PM
1 votes:
Quijada's entry into artificial languages was inspired by the utopian politics of Esperanto as well as by the import bin at his local record store, where as a teen-ager, in the nineteen-seventies, he discovered a concept album by the French prog-rock band Magma. All the songs were sung in Kobaïan, a melodic alien language made up by the group's eccentric lead singer, Christian Vander.

Magma--FARK YES, biatchES!!! 

\m/
 
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