casual disregard: Graffito: casual disregard: I think I agree with you. Except I have never witnissed Ithkuil fail :3 I would much prefer to witness the event in real-time than to pre-suppose it must be a dead idea.What happens when two Ithkuil speakers disagree on how to translate a word or concept? Say that you (taking the example from the article) think that gawk contains an element of surprise and I think that gawk contains an element of stupidity?I think that is a fair criticism. I suppose the idea is that Ithkuil is rigidly defined and rigidly enforced. I don't know how specifically you could prevent it from deforming or devolving. It's the sort of language which has no native speakers by default and therefore has no rules to break as a result.
ciberido: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: KarmicDisaster: I'd be very surprised if the average right wing hater could learn this. I mean study it out. "Right Wing" (and "conservative") are shifty terms. Just to point out something not necessarily obvious, the "nationalist" terrorist groups in what use to be the old SU are mostly out-of-work Communists who are beating the nationalistic drum to gain support. So if the particular koolaid meme you're slavishly repeating is "All right wing people are drooling morons" it may not particularly apply here.At some point the horseshoe theory comes into play.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
casual disregard: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: KarmicDisaster: I'd be very surprised if the average right wing hater could learn this. I mean study it out."Right Wing" (and "conservative") are shifty terms. Just to point out something not necessarily obvious, the "nationalist" terrorist groups in what use to be the old SU are mostly out-of-work Communists who are beating the nationalistic drum to gain support.So if the particular koolaid meme you're slavishly repeating is "All right wing people are drooling morons" it may not particularly apply here.That might be true if the nationalists in question weren't also stridently anti-communist. In this case, the almost cultish group adopting the language is pro-white, pro-Slav/Rus, anti-Jew, anti-Israel, etc. It's hard to imagine a less right-wing organization. You might well be projecting your own hopes and fears onto the other side. Have you ever considered that?
Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you, by chance, an atheist?
ciberido: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you, by chance, an atheist? I am not an atheist, I do not espouse the horseshoe theory, nor do I fully agree with you. I brought it up because it in some ways reminded me of what I understood you to be saying, and because I thought you (and others) might find it interesting. What I find appealing about the horseshoe theory is not the specifics of liberals versus conservatives, but the general idea that extremism with any ideology follows a certain pattern (and is potentially dangerous).
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lockers: So what happens when it becomes a living language and morphs into a flawed, yet serviceable language like all the rest. In theory, people using Ithkuil will change the way they use language. In practice, people will change Ithkuil as they use it. A lot of English's written oddities has to do with the great vowel migration (a political event) happening after the formalization of the written language. That messy people problem is what caused all practical languages to be less than ideal. Given that, why is this language "better" than english? Considering we have damn near universal literacy in the first world, and a majority a literate worldwide, what exactly is the benefit that is immune to the people using it problem?
ciberido: Don't Tongue the Reaper!: Dr.Zom: Among the Wakashan Indians of the Pacific Northwest, a grammatically correct sentence can't be formed without providing what linguists refer to as "evidentiality," inflecting the verb to indicate whether you are speaking from direct experience, inference, conjecture, or hearsay.English need this.Cool article, subby, thanks.Quechua has a similar evidentiality. I know this personally, I am not speaking from hearsay :)But does Quechua have a "hearsay particle" for evidentiality like Nepali does?
lantawa: Sorry about those Politics incidents. I'm sort of a bright spaz-noir, such as that may be. I'm over it.
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