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(Austin Statesman)   Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.This is not a repeat from 1965   (statesman.com) divider line 70
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2012-12-18 04:26:31 PM  
5 votes:
You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.
2012-12-18 07:04:56 PM  
3 votes:
What is your farking obsession with that flag.. it has nothing at all to do with race and yet in the past few years you have convinced yourselves and every other liberal democrat dushbag that it is some sort of silent symbol to bring back slavery or something. I was born and raised in the south and am 6th generation Texan and I know I could never convince you complete idiots it has nothing to do with race. To us it is just a symbol of the south.

Oh and here it comes where a bunch if complete brainwashed circle jerk idiots will tell me what it really means to me.

Before you even reply let me roll my eyes.

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-12-18 06:50:48 PM  
3 votes:
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

No. No you can't. You can be ashamed of it instead, like a farking normal human being who thinks slavery and racism aren't something to celebrate. Dumbass.
2012-12-18 06:48:02 PM  
3 votes:

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.
2012-12-18 06:43:09 PM  
3 votes:
THIS again??!? OK, one - no self-respecting southerner (these days) would EVER consider Texas part of the southern US. It's Texas, alright? Texas. An'd I looking REAL hard at Oklahoma.

Two - there are GREAT things about the south! I've met evil rednecks all over the country, from upstate Maine to backwater Alaska, which In suppose would include the governor's mansion.

YES, there are lots of small towns - same thing in Washington state. Get outside of Seattle and you will find rednecks farking everywhere. NO ONE with half a lick of sense defends the confederate flag. Please remember that.
2012-12-18 05:58:14 PM  
3 votes:

Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.


Someone told them the flag was retarded and they immediately voted to execute it.
2012-12-18 08:35:02 PM  
2 votes:
You know what else is a symbol of rebellion and treason?

i.imgur.com
2012-12-18 08:10:21 PM  
2 votes:
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did
2012-12-18 07:51:09 PM  
2 votes:
First off, all arguments citing historically correct information are invalid as a very small minority of Southern Confederates (not an actual group just using it to refer to the members of the culture that love and display the modern 'Confederate Flag') actually knows history with any historical accuracy. It's all legend and stories they've received from their family and social groups. And while a good many members of that culture are incredibly racist people the showing of the Confederate Flag is an exclusively racial statement nor is it directed to offend just black people. It's pretty much a polite southern way of saying "damnit I love bein southern and I love the life I live, the life my family has lived for at least three generations, and if you gotta problem with it, fark you" And seriously, if you've got a problem with it, fark you. Of course you have every right to be upset, but telling someone to their face in public that you have a problem with their confederate flag, you're most likely going to get punched in the face and deserve it for being so stupid as to poke a bear with a stick.
On the other hand, I don't really see a place for it in government institutions any more as they are supposed to represent everyone.
2012-12-18 07:26:09 PM  
2 votes:
You said "Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

implying that all Northern states had banned slavery (which they did not).... as evidenced by the fact that quite a few of them still had slaves up until after the war.

He is a moron for saying only the Southern states dealt with slavery before the war and you are not being honest when you say the North got rid of it.
2012-12-18 07:04:55 PM  
2 votes:

Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.


Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

The thirteenth amendment, abolishing slavery, was passed by the Senate in April 1864, and by the House of Representatives in January 1865.[95] The amendment did not take effect until it was ratified by three fourths of the states, which occurred on December 6, 1865 when Georgia ratified it. On that date, all remaining slaves became officially free.[96]

Legally, the last 40,000 or so slaves were freed in Kentucky[97] by the final ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in December 1865. Slaves still held in Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Delaware, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Washington, D.C., and twelve parishes of Louisiana[98] also became legally free on this date.
2012-12-18 07:01:58 PM  
2 votes:
How about a trade? Southeners stop with the confederate flag and blacks stop talking loud in the theater and calling each other the N word?
2012-12-18 06:57:21 PM  
2 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: Makes me a racist I guess.

No, no, just a traitor. Or a supporter of traitors, I suppose.

What else do you think those flags symbolize? Your heritage? This flag is your heritage:

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Just as it is mine and every other American.


It's not my heritage... I'm a west coast kid... and my family came from Cleveland... and Europe before that.

The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.
2012-12-18 06:51:50 PM  
2 votes:
Why don't they stick with their original flag?

www.wou.edu
2012-12-18 06:47:47 PM  
2 votes:

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


And you doooo know that the only "states right" that those treasonous states had issue with was the right to own other people as slaves, right? Why, they even went so far as to have their legislatures write out in great detail what their cause was.

Mississippi's was the best, I think, and the most clearly stated...

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

Ah yeah, I love the smell of states rights in the morning. It smells like.... slavery.
2012-12-18 06:45:59 PM  
2 votes:
"Southern heritage"...

Can we just stop with that BS? Please? That flag that you're so proud of doesn't (or shouldn't) reflect your "heritage". You want to show pride in your birthplace? Learn how to make biscuits and gravy like your grandmother used to make, and STFU about how the treason flag somehow makes you proud to be... to be what, exactly?
2012-12-18 06:16:27 PM  
2 votes:

red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.


Her great-great-great-grandfather would probably be ashamed of the fact that a female relation was voicing her opinion in a public forum and voting.
2012-12-18 06:03:23 PM  
2 votes:
ACLU Lawsuit time! My principal banned Tool shirts (even with just the letters "tool") because she interpreted it to be a promotion of sexual innuendeo, even though it's a rock band. Retards who interpret the confederate flag to be about racism is a direct result of idiots who have no understanding and education of the confederate government. Yet, Texas seems to bring up the topic of secession more often than anyone else. This is farking bullshiat any way you cut it.
2012-12-18 05:57:49 PM  
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.


first amendment bro.

I know it doesn't apply here since schools are basically prisons.
2012-12-19 01:21:27 AM  
1 votes:

ifarkthereforiam: detritus: ifarkthereforiam: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!

Huh. Britian said the same thing about treason when we seceded from them.

But we kept their slave trade and put them to work.

Did I spoil your American apple pie?

Yeah and then we fought an entire war over slave-owners hiding behind states rights in order to own human beings. Racist pricks (KKK) wave it proudly. Did I spoil your fantasy about the confederate flag just being some symbol of southern pride?


I have sympathy for your indoctrinated public school education on this matter and it's not my desire or responsibility to educate you, but I'll leave you with these words of your tolerant emancipator:

"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."

-- Abraham Lincoln

P.S. If you're going to defend banning images of racism, we can start with Lincoln.
2012-12-18 08:14:09 PM  
1 votes:

detritus: valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

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HERITAGE, NOT HATE!

No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.


Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.
2012-12-18 08:10:57 PM  
1 votes:

valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!


No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.
2012-12-18 08:02:11 PM  
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo:
Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".


That would be a fact no matter who won the war. The treasonous states were kind enough to all pass articles of secession so that history could record forever exactly what their complaints were. All of them list one, and only one issue*.

I'll leave it to you to discover what that is.

* This is not technically true, as Texas had one paragraph in theirs biatching about the damn Mexicans.
2012-12-18 08:01:52 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?


It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.

But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.
2012-12-18 07:57:40 PM  
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?


I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?
2012-12-18 07:56:11 PM  
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: The trustees did not discuss the high school's fight song, Dixie, but Tenorio told the American-Statesman after the vote that they will visit that subject in the future. But, he said, there appears to be less opposition to the song than to the flag.
"The song is more subject to debate," he said. "At least in the minds of a lot of people."

What is wrong with wishing to be in Dixie?


Try reading the lyrics for the second and third verses... the whole song is from a happy slaves point of view
2012-12-18 07:53:57 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party:
I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.


...but Washington was a slave owner...
2012-12-18 07:52:40 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.

Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.

So, you don't actually have a chain of reasoning that leads you to your conclusion?

That's funny, because I have one for mine, and I also have the benefit of a known outcome. We can look at the results, which are pretty bad, and they stem directly from the reconciliation attitude we took with the south.

So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."


So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?
2012-12-18 07:50:04 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


Yeah, but the reason they took up arms was because Lincoln didn't want to let them go. Think of how many lives would have been saved if he had just said "well, bye, then"
If today, Texas or Vermont wanted out of the union, I would have no problem with it. I certainly would hope the federal govt. would take a more enlightened attitude.
Some day parts of the American southwest may get so full of Mexicans they wish to become part of Mexico again. I would hope we could come to a peaceful resolution and allow them to leave.
2012-12-18 07:46:52 PM  
1 votes:
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

www.biography.com
2012-12-18 07:46:27 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.


Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.
2012-12-18 07:42:09 PM  
1 votes:

Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.


Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.
2012-12-18 07:42:01 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: I can love this Country, yet hate some things it has done and has become... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I vote, I pay my taxes... I can accept the good with the bad.

So...slavery was good then? That's your position. Because the government can't tell states to stop, you know, treating human beings like cattle.

I take it back...traitor and racist. So I repeat, please feel free to GTFO. We don't need you here.


My position is that slavery was an accepted practice in this Country until it became economically and politically beneficial for the North to outlaw it.
2012-12-18 07:39:33 PM  
1 votes:
Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed
2012-12-18 07:36:00 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: You said "Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

implying that all Northern states had banned slavery (which they did not).... as evidenced by the fact that quite a few of them still had slaves up until after the war.

He is a moron for saying only the Southern states dealt with slavery before the war and you are not being honest when you say the North got rid of it.

I never said that. Those words were never typed. You assumed it. All I did was post a quote and link directly refuting said moron.

I'll ask again, is what he said correct? And is the quote I posted false?

You know what, never mind. Just understand you spent a great deal of time and energy defending a statement that you yourself just admitted was wrong.


Oh it was no trouble at all :)

Feel better soon
2012-12-18 07:34:56 PM  
1 votes:

mbillodeaux: theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.


We related?


You guys are a credit to your race(s)
2012-12-18 07:34:24 PM  
1 votes:
The last flag the south ever flew:

1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-18 07:30:34 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today
2012-12-18 07:28:08 PM  
1 votes:

Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.


War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.
2012-12-18 07:28:02 PM  
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Rufus Lee King: The Confederate battle flag has been stolen by such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, et al. for use as their symbol.

And why do you think that is?

I don't know. Honestly, I can't get into their warped minds. I just resent their use of the flag. I reiterate, the flag doesn't belong to them; it's in no way their right to use it.

I know what you're implying, but things aren't as cut and dried as that.


Its probably because the South fought to keep slaves
2012-12-18 07:18:23 PM  
1 votes:
Link

The Proclamation applied in only ten states that were still in rebellion in 1863, and thus did not cover the nearly 500,000 slaves in the slave-holding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland or Delaware) which were Union states - those slaves were freed by separate state and federal actions. The state of Tennessee had already mostly returned to Union control, so it was not named and was exempted. Virginia was named, but exemptions were specified for the 48 counties then in the process of forming the new state of West Virginia, and seven additional counties and two cities in the Union-controlled Tidewater region.[8] Also specifically exempted were New Orleans and 13 named parishes of Louisiana, all of which were also already mostly under Federal control at the time of the Proclamation. These exemptions left unemancipated an additional 300,000 slaves.[9]
2012-12-18 07:16:29 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?

But you said all of the northern states got rid of slavery before the civil war.... and they didn't

Oh did I? I quoted a piece from Wikipedia refuting his claim, with a link proving what he said was false. Or is that statement from Wiki false? And if so, are you editing it right now?


Jesus Christ... try reading your own link you bastard.....
2012-12-18 07:13:21 PM  
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....


I blame Outkast.
2012-12-18 07:11:53 PM  
1 votes:
If I owned Texas and I owned Hell.
I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell.
2012-12-18 07:11:07 PM  
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: The Confederate battle flag has been stolen by such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, et al. for use as their symbol.


And why do you think that is?
2012-12-18 07:10:39 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?


But you said all of the northern states got rid of slavery before the civil war.... and they didn't
2012-12-18 07:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr: Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.

Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

The thirteenth amendment, abolishing slavery, was passed by the Senate in April 1864, and by the House of Representatives in January 1865.[95] The amendment did not take effect until it was ratified by three fourths of the states, which occurred on December 6, 1865 when Georgia ratified it. On that date, all remaining slaves became officially free.[96]

Legally, the last 40,000 or so slaves were freed in Kentucky[97] by the final ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in December 1865. Slaves still held in Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Delaware, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Washington, D.C., and twelve parishes of Louisiana[98] also became legally free on this date.


And yes... fark all those redneck bastards with the conferdate flags.. but get your damn history right
2012-12-18 07:03:30 PM  
1 votes:

Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.


I'm not sure I've ever read a history book from Texas but surely it would include in New Jersey, some slaves were held as late as 1865 Same goes for Kentucky and Delaware.

The more you know.
2012-12-18 07:03:04 PM  
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vegasj: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.

maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.


Maybe the Northers should end the racism in their own places before acting righteous. Boston anyone? Take a look at what the most segregated cities in the U.S. are.
2012-12-18 07:00:20 PM  
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.


Then traitor it is. Feel free to gtfo of this country at your earliest convenience.

You'd probably like Somalia. I hear it's lovely this time of year.
2012-12-18 06:59:52 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.


maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.

2012-12-18 06:57:56 PM  
1 votes:
A couple months ago, I visited South Carolina. I found myself in a shop that was draped with Confederate flags, and filled with racist anti-Obama bumper stickers and T-shirts. I found copies of both the Turner Diaries and Little Black Sambo, American Flag panties and bikinis, camo suits and plenty of pro-gun propaganda, a zillion beer cozies with the stars and bars, and none of it seemed to engender any "pride" or respect for history at all. Just revulsion and disgust.
2012-12-18 06:57:50 PM  
1 votes:

vegasj: sounds like a lot of butt hurt in here...

its just a flag, right?


To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.
2012-12-18 06:54:07 PM  
1 votes:
It's nice to live in such an enlightened age...... At least, I think.

Will our heirs look back in 50 years and wonder why our society and media ignored black homicidal pathologies? Will they wonder why we chose to allow large zones of our once great cities to become no-go zones for the children of the people that built them? Will they wonder why our troops were patrolling on the other side of the planet while blacks in our cities were murdering hundreds of their neighbors a year?
2012-12-18 06:50:57 PM  
1 votes:
Why do so many people think their heritage is inherently a good thing? It's narcissism. I have family who lived in Nazi Germany and later in Soviet-controlled East Germany. Should I honor those flags?
2012-12-18 06:48:17 PM  
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UNC_Samurai: detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District

Tinker co-exists with Bethel v Fraser (1986) and from Bethel comes Morse v Frederick (2007). Bethel allowed the school to censor non-obscene sexual innuendo, and Morse allowed the school to prohibit the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner as reasonable under the drug policy.


Bethel was decided because that individual at the assembly was intending violating a school rule stating, "Conduct which materially and substantially interferes with the educational process is prohibited, including the use of obscene, profane language or gestures." The district won because it amounted to verbal speech that was not constitutionally protected.

Morse allowed the school to prohibit the banner because it promoted illegal behavior. Reprimanding a student because of a bumper sticker on his vehicle has nothing to do with the disruption of the educational process. A sticker in no way can be interpreted to be a promotion of illegal activities under Bong Hits for Jesus or an obscene gesture under Bethel. The confederate flag has historical, educational significance especially in the South, no different than the Gadsden flag in the colonies.
2012-12-18 06:42:08 PM  
1 votes:
Which one?
georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu 

I will occasionally fly the 13 star version of the Stars and Bars.

Makes me a racist I guess.
2012-12-18 06:35:39 PM  
1 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.

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yeah...


Nobody's stopping Texans from erecting war memorials. Hell, they've got hundreds, maybe thousands of them. The flag of the confederacy is freighted with negative connotations, particularly for black Americans, and it is inappropriate to display it at schools or other government buildings. The war ended over a century ago, let it go.
2012-12-18 06:33:24 PM  
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Dr.Mxyzptlk.: buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)



Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?


What is your estimate on the number of Confederate non-slave-owning soldiers who were opposed to slavery? My numbers show 0.0%.
2012-12-18 06:32:02 PM  
1 votes:

HempHead: That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.


This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

/or the 1st Amandment
2012-12-18 06:28:18 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.


San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.
2012-12-18 06:27:53 PM  
1 votes:

SuperT: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

first amendment bro.


I doubt "I support a group of terrorists who attacked the United States of America, and I want the attacks to recommence at some future date"* is covered by the First Amendment; Article 3, Section 3 might apply though ...

* al-Qaeda, al-Abama; potato, pahtahtoe
2012-12-18 06:24:01 PM  
1 votes:

WordsnCollision: Lionel Mandrake: How the Hell else can a guy express his patriotism without flying a flag of treason?

Like this one?

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It's not treason if you win.

duh
2012-12-18 06:22:22 PM  
1 votes:

special20: If she was really proud of her ancestry, she would do her research about her "Captain" and maybe ask to use his regimental flag... not the symbol of racism that is the stars and bars of today.

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Or use this flag:

upload.wikimedia.org

"But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star."

Really, what rights?

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."
2012-12-18 06:17:03 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.


No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.
2012-12-18 06:14:51 PM  
1 votes:
Good. One less thing for blacks and people with white guilt to biatch about.
2012-12-18 06:13:03 PM  
1 votes:

Brian Ryanberger: I may be Republican like many conservatives claim to be but I am not a racist and I find it offensive because my mom had out of wedlock sex with a Mexican man


Which makes you bad and you should feel bad.
2012-12-18 06:05:10 PM  
1 votes:
How the Hell else can a guy express his patriotism without flying a flag of treason?
2012-12-18 06:02:55 PM  
1 votes:
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.
2012-12-18 04:08:12 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

I'm sure the Stars and Bars will look very nice on a graduation ring:

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