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(Austin Statesman)   Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.This is not a repeat from 1965   (statesman.com) divider line 270
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2012-12-18 07:36:23 PM  

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.



Those people were trying to leave and form their own country. The Rosenbergs passed on secrets to the USSR that could have killed every man, woman and child in America.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:14 PM  

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo:

I'm willing to bet it is. Take a trip to Hays County TX sometime, then go to Greene County NY or Santa Clara County CA. You experience the three, then tell me where the derp is. It's not going to be Hays County TX. Santa Clara County has a lot of hate going on between the different non-white groups.


Say what you will about Santa Clara or wherever else....It's Hays County TX in the article, with jackasses letting their freak flag fly over the Stars'n'Bars. Like the rest of the country, they should know better.


Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:26 PM  

Need_MindBleach: shintochick: I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War

Hell, I've seen trucks with confederate flags, and I live in Michigan.


So have I, and I live in Canada.
 
2012-12-18 07:39:33 PM  
Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed
 
2012-12-18 07:41:15 PM  

Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today


Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.
 
2012-12-18 07:42:01 PM  

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: I can love this Country, yet hate some things it has done and has become... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I vote, I pay my taxes... I can accept the good with the bad.

So...slavery was good then? That's your position. Because the government can't tell states to stop, you know, treating human beings like cattle.

I take it back...traitor and racist. So I repeat, please feel free to GTFO. We don't need you here.


My position is that slavery was an accepted practice in this Country until it became economically and politically beneficial for the North to outlaw it.
 
2012-12-18 07:42:09 PM  

Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.


Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.
 
2012-12-18 07:46:04 PM  
Maybe the South likes to embrace heritage because it's the only remaining place that liberals will allow -- will encourage -- bigotry and discrimination against, and they feel the need for solidarity when being constantly called racist, stupid, inbred, zealous, incapable of thought, and being told that they're exactly like Nazi Germany?
 
2012-12-18 07:46:27 PM  

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.


Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.
 
2012-12-18 07:46:43 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed


www.jefferywestover.com

'Ah jeez...there aint no racicisms up here. Those people stay on the other side of the tracks like they're supposed to.'
 
2012-12-18 07:46:52 PM  
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

www.biography.com
 
2012-12-18 07:47:12 PM  

Dokushin: Maybe the South likes to embrace heritage because it's the only remaining place that liberals will allow -- will encourage -- bigotry and discrimination against, and they feel the need for solidarity when being constantly called racist, stupid, inbred, zealous, incapable of thought, and being told that they're exactly like Nazi Germany?


Except the liberal states act like a bunch of racists themselves. Boston anyone?
 
2012-12-18 07:49:31 PM  

vegasj: guess someone won't be driving their General Wee to school...



[l.yimg.com image 850x637]


That is farking AWESOME. I have an incredible urge to buy a Smart Car right now just so I can get that paint job on it. And I'm Canadian.
 
2012-12-18 07:50:04 PM  

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


Yeah, but the reason they took up arms was because Lincoln didn't want to let them go. Think of how many lives would have been saved if he had just said "well, bye, then"
If today, Texas or Vermont wanted out of the union, I would have no problem with it. I certainly would hope the federal govt. would take a more enlightened attitude.
Some day parts of the American southwest may get so full of Mexicans they wish to become part of Mexico again. I would hope we could come to a peaceful resolution and allow them to leave.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:09 PM  
First off, all arguments citing historically correct information are invalid as a very small minority of Southern Confederates (not an actual group just using it to refer to the members of the culture that love and display the modern 'Confederate Flag') actually knows history with any historical accuracy. It's all legend and stories they've received from their family and social groups. And while a good many members of that culture are incredibly racist people the showing of the Confederate Flag is an exclusively racial statement nor is it directed to offend just black people. It's pretty much a polite southern way of saying "damnit I love bein southern and I love the life I live, the life my family has lived for at least three generations, and if you gotta problem with it, fark you" And seriously, if you've got a problem with it, fark you. Of course you have every right to be upset, but telling someone to their face in public that you have a problem with their confederate flag, you're most likely going to get punched in the face and deserve it for being so stupid as to poke a bear with a stick.
On the other hand, I don't really see a place for it in government institutions any more as they are supposed to represent everyone.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:16 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Benjamin Orr: Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed

 
[www.jefferywestover.com image 377x293]
 
'Ah jeez...there aint no racicisms up here. Those people stay on the other side of the tracks like they're supposed to.'
 
 
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:51:18 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.

Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.


So, you don't actually have a chain of reasoning that leads you to your conclusion?

That's funny, because I have one for mine, and I also have the benefit of a known outcome. We can look at the results, which are pretty bad, and they stem directly from the reconciliation attitude we took with the south.

So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."
 
2012-12-18 07:52:14 PM  

muck4doo:

Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.


Admit it, it's pretty derpy.

Besides, we already have today's California hurp on the main page about the Fundies vs. Yoga in elementary school. I found it refreshing that the comments there didn't call out hippies, mostly complaints about plastic Christians.
 
2012-12-18 07:52:40 PM  

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.

Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.

So, you don't actually have a chain of reasoning that leads you to your conclusion?

That's funny, because I have one for mine, and I also have the benefit of a known outcome. We can look at the results, which are pretty bad, and they stem directly from the reconciliation attitude we took with the south.

So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."


So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?
 
2012-12-18 07:52:53 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]


And had we lost that war, that is exactly how history would have remembered him.

I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.
 
2012-12-18 07:53:54 PM  
The trustees did not discuss the high school's fight song, Dixie, but Tenorio told the American-Statesman after the vote that they will visit that subject in the future. But, he said, there appears to be less opposition to the song than to the flag.
"The song is more subject to debate," he said. "At least in the minds of a lot of people."


What is wrong with wishing to be in Dixie?
 
2012-12-18 07:53:57 PM  

Rent Party:
I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.


...but Washington was a slave owner...
 
2012-12-18 07:54:06 PM  

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo:

Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.

Admit it, it's pretty derpy.

Besides, we already have today's California hurp on the main page about the Fundies vs. Yoga in elementary school. I found it refreshing that the comments there didn't call out hippies, mostly complaints about plastic Christians.


The derp draws the numbers
 
2012-12-18 07:54:16 PM  
Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

news.iskcon.com

HERITAGE, NOT HATE! 
 
2012-12-18 07:54:28 PM  
Finny how many "enlightened" northerners seem pretty farking bigoted themselves.
 
2012-12-18 07:55:54 PM  

vodka: Finny how many "enlightened" northerners seem pretty farking bigoted themselves.


You got something against Finns, vittupää?
 
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2012-12-18 07:55:57 PM  

amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....



lol...they must be heading to the Bowery at Myrtle Beach.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:09 PM  
I love how "the north is racist too!" somehow turns into a defense of racism.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:11 PM  

Enemabag Jones: The trustees did not discuss the high school's fight song, Dixie, but Tenorio told the American-Statesman after the vote that they will visit that subject in the future. But, he said, there appears to be less opposition to the song than to the flag.
"The song is more subject to debate," he said. "At least in the minds of a lot of people."

What is wrong with wishing to be in Dixie?


Try reading the lyrics for the second and third verses... the whole song is from a happy slaves point of view
 
2012-12-18 07:56:18 PM  

valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!


Well, the Nazis really had nothing to do with the extermination of the Jews, it was all about economics, just like the Civil War.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:40 PM  

Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?


I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?
 
2012-12-18 07:57:50 PM  
i860.photobucket.com


/because each star represents a million slaves kilt.
 
2012-12-18 07:58:30 PM  

NEDM: Rent Party:
I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.

...but Washington was a slave owner...


Was that at issue during the revolution?

No?

Do you have a point?

No?

Go figure.
 
2012-12-18 07:59:03 PM  

Rent Party: Pray 4 Mojo: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

And had we lost that war, that is exactly how history would have remembered him.

I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.


Thanks... I think it's pretty cute.

Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.

Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".
 
2012-12-18 08:00:12 PM  

Rent Party: Go figure.


You seemed to be acting like mentioning slavery and Washington in the same sentence was insulting his memory.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:37 PM  

Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yeah, but the reason they took up arms was because Lincoln didn't want to let them go. Think of how many lives would have been saved if he had just said "well, bye, then"
If today, Texas or Vermont wanted out of the union, I would have no problem with it. I certainly would hope the federal govt. would take a more enlightened attitude.
Some day parts of the American southwest may get so full of Mexicans they wish to become part of Mexico again. I would hope we could come to a peaceful resolution and allow them to leave.


I'm waiting for Colorado and Washington to secede over pot.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:45 PM  
Funny, I went to Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio. Their football mascot was a rebel soldier that ran around with the Battle Flag, use to think it was called the Stars and bars but, now I know. Only went there for a year , army brat, just thought it was kind of weird to have a school named after a guy who wasn't even a citizen till the late 1970's or early '80s.

As far as the flag goes, my two cents, I look at it as a badge. Tells me there're with stupid. Most I know that fly the flag are racist cept one. He is and old friend from childhood and was a sergeant in the US Army. He was station in Afghanistan or Iraq and his units' commander said not to fly the USA flag over the base. So to show his balls he ran up the Battle Flag. He is Black.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:52 PM  

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?


It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.

But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.
 
2012-12-18 08:02:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo:
Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".


That would be a fact no matter who won the war. The treasonous states were kind enough to all pass articles of secession so that history could record forever exactly what their complaints were. All of them list one, and only one issue*.

I'll leave it to you to discover what that is.

* This is not technically true, as Texas had one paragraph in theirs biatching about the damn Mexicans.
 
2012-12-18 08:02:20 PM  
By the way, I met tons of bigots in Upstate NY as well as CA, but many great people too. What I'm saying is don't join the derp mobile. Most Texans are great people who are not bigots. Yes, there are some left out there, but to judge a whole state based on a few idiots makes you look stupid. There are idiots in the North East as well as the West Coast as well. Do you judge those places the same way?
 
2012-12-18 08:02:43 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.


If you can't tell the difference between the two then our educational system has failed.
 
2012-12-18 08:03:15 PM  

NEDM: Rent Party: Go figure.

You seemed to be acting like mentioning slavery and Washington in the same sentence was insulting his memory.


I seem to understand what the casus beli in each conflict was.
 
2012-12-18 08:04:36 PM  
Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
2012-12-18 08:04:53 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?

It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.


Sooo... what you got is what you think might have happened based on.... nuthin.

Got it.


But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.


Well, I'm starting from what actually *did* happen, so I'm two steps ahead of you, professor.
 
2012-12-18 08:06:00 PM  

fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.


See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
2012-12-18 08:06:41 PM  
Whine about your heritage all you like, you hateful hillbillies. Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work. Or is this about your military heritage? You mean like the time you geniuses decided to pick a fight with an industrialized neighbor while you only had 16 miles of railroad track of your own? That's almost as brilliant as showing up to war without shoes.

Your precious Southern Heritage is little more than a history of vicious hatefulness and ignorance. Piss on it.
 
2012-12-18 08:07:59 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: you hateful hillbillies


And another idiot who has no clue what he's talking about, just repeating the crap he read on Daily Kos.
 
2012-12-18 08:09:31 PM  

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Pray 4 Mojo: Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.

If you can't tell the difference between the two then our educational system has failed.


Could be... I went to Catholic school.

But I can tell the difference... just saying that simply crying "Treason!" is a dopey argument... since that's how this Country came to be.
 
2012-12-18 08:09:48 PM  

fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.


That would work out great I'm sure.
 
2012-12-18 08:10:21 PM  
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did
 
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