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2012-12-18 03:25:49 PM
Not to make it mandatory?
 
2012-12-18 04:08:12 PM
FTFA: Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

I'm sure the Stars and Bars will look very nice on a graduation ring:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-18 04:26:31 PM
You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.
 
2012-12-18 04:34:52 PM
Next up: A Polio vaccine
 
2012-12-18 05:57:24 PM
Or 1865...
 
2012-12-18 05:57:49 PM

Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.


first amendment bro.

I know it doesn't apply here since schools are basically prisons.
 
2012-12-18 05:58:14 PM

Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.


Someone told them the flag was retarded and they immediately voted to execute it.
 
2012-12-18 05:59:49 PM
did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.
 
2012-12-18 06:00:19 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.


Someone told them the flag was retarded and they immediately voted to execute it.


Or elect it to office. Or...wait...what's that third thing..oops.
 
2012-12-18 06:00:41 PM
Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.This is not a repeat from 19865
 
2012-12-18 06:02:39 PM
I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War
 
2012-12-18 06:02:47 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.


Someone told them the flag was retarded and they immediately voted to execute it.


enry: Or elect it to office. Or...wait...what's that third thing..oops.


i1196.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 06:02:55 PM
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.
 
2012-12-18 06:03:08 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.


Perhaps subby is confusing the passage of the Voting Rights Act with the abolition of slavery? Hell, I dunno.
 
2012-12-18 06:03:23 PM
ACLU Lawsuit time! My principal banned Tool shirts (even with just the letters "tool") because she interpreted it to be a promotion of sexual innuendeo, even though it's a rock band. Retards who interpret the confederate flag to be about racism is a direct result of idiots who have no understanding and education of the confederate government. Yet, Texas seems to bring up the topic of secession more often than anyone else. This is farking bullshiat any way you cut it.
 
2012-12-18 06:03:44 PM

SuperT: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

first amendment bro.

I know it doesn't apply here since schools are basically prisons.


It also isn't remotely a freedom of speech issue.
 
2012-12-18 06:04:59 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.


A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District
 
2012-12-18 06:05:10 PM
How the Hell else can a guy express his patriotism without flying a flag of treason?
 
2012-12-18 06:07:10 PM

red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.


No, no, no. Hear her out. She want's to be proud of being on the losing side of owning people as property. Her grandfather was a failure who fought to dehumanize others. That makes her proud. It's a heritage she is glad to own.
 
2012-12-18 06:08:57 PM

red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.


api.ning.com

yeah...
 
2012-12-18 06:09:45 PM

detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District


Still doesn't make any sense. That decision was related to black armbands protesting the Vietnam war and wasn't actually reached until 1969.
 
2012-12-18 06:09:46 PM
Fellow Republicans and Tea Party Patriots I wholeheartedly urge you all to stop with the racism because you are making us all look bad and keeping us from being able to do what we need to do in order to save our nation from this revolution of socialist ideas and talking head politcians on CNN. I may be Republican like many conservatives claim to be but I am not a racist and I find it offensive because my mom had out of wedlock sex with a Mexican man and that is why her family basically sold her to my dad's family to get her out of there so she could live a normal life not a Mexican life and it didn't work out so well because her life has been a living hell because my dad's family is full of low people who drink a LOT so it's not always worse to be with a Mexican.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:03 PM

Brian Ryanberger: I may be Republican like many conservatives claim to be but I am not a racist and I find it offensive because my mom had out of wedlock sex with a Mexican man


Which makes you bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-12-18 06:14:00 PM

Lionel Mandrake: How the Hell else can a guy express his patriotism without flying a flag of treason?


Like this one?

sp.life123.com
 
2012-12-18 06:14:51 PM
Good. One less thing for blacks and people with white guilt to biatch about.
 
2012-12-18 06:15:40 PM
If she was really proud of her ancestry, she would do her research about her "Captain" and maybe ask to use his regimental flag... not the symbol of racism that is the stars and bars of today.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 06:16:06 PM

A Shambling Mound: detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District

Still doesn't make any sense. That decision was related to black armbands protesting the Vietnam war and wasn't actually reached until 1969.


RTFA. It happened in December 1965. It took 4 years before SCOTUS ruled against the school district and set nationwide precedent.
 
2012-12-18 06:16:26 PM

detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District


Tinker co-exists with Bethel v Fraser (1986) and from Bethel comes Morse v Frederick (2007). Bethel allowed the school to censor non-obscene sexual innuendo, and Morse allowed the school to prohibit the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner as reasonable under the drug policy.
 
2012-12-18 06:16:27 PM

red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.


Her great-great-great-grandfather would probably be ashamed of the fact that a female relation was voicing her opinion in a public forum and voting.
 
2012-12-18 06:17:03 PM
FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.


No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.
 
2012-12-18 06:17:31 PM
As long as ones rights are trampled on to observe anothers
I'm ok with this
 
2012-12-18 06:18:38 PM
Hays county? Just a couple of stupid kids. Hays county isn't a racism den. I've encountered more racism in Greene County NY, and Santa Clara County CA than I have in Hays County. I'm sure the derp crowd will see TX though and think everyone is just lynching away down here. Thanks for the derp, mass media.
 
2012-12-18 06:20:21 PM
Bong hits for Breckinridge?
 
2012-12-18 06:21:03 PM

Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.


You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.
 
2012-12-18 06:22:22 PM

special20: If she was really proud of her ancestry, she would do her research about her "Captain" and maybe ask to use his regimental flag... not the symbol of racism that is the stars and bars of today.

[i.imgur.com image 300x173]


Or use this flag:

upload.wikimedia.org

"But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star."

Really, what rights?

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."
 
2012-12-18 06:23:15 PM
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)
 
2012-12-18 06:24:01 PM

WordsnCollision: Lionel Mandrake: How the Hell else can a guy express his patriotism without flying a flag of treason?

Like this one?

[sp.life123.com image 406x296]


It's not treason if you win.

duh
 
2012-12-18 06:24:13 PM

Cataholic: Bong hits for Breckinridge?


When Braxton Bragg can convince Jeff Davis you're a terrible general, you might just be that bad at your job.
 
2012-12-18 06:24:29 PM

muck4doo: Hays county? Just a couple of stupid kids. Hays county isn't a racism den. I've encountered more racism in Greene County NY, and Santa Clara County CA than I have in Hays County. I'm sure the derp crowd will see TX though and think everyone is just lynching away down here. Thanks for the derp, mass media.


It's not just the stupid vandalizing kids, it's the adult jackwagons at that schoolboard meeting crying about their lost flag.

I'm surprised they didn't sort out their logo and mascot decades ago.
 
2012-12-18 06:25:16 PM
It's time for a rebel flag that doesn't celebrate a heritage of slavery, racism, and treason.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 06:26:14 PM
That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.
 
2012-12-18 06:27:53 PM

SuperT: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

first amendment bro.


I doubt "I support a group of terrorists who attacked the United States of America, and I want the attacks to recommence at some future date"* is covered by the First Amendment; Article 3, Section 3 might apply though ...

* al-Qaeda, al-Abama; potato, pahtahtoe
 
2012-12-18 06:28:18 PM

muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.


San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.
 
2012-12-18 06:29:02 PM

buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)




Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?
 
2012-12-18 06:32:02 PM

HempHead: That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.


This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

/or the 1st Amandment
 
2012-12-18 06:33:24 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)



Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?


What is your estimate on the number of Confederate non-slave-owning soldiers who were opposed to slavery? My numbers show 0.0%.
 
2012-12-18 06:34:13 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)



Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?


Little known fact, there were so many people in the South that didn't own slaves and were anti-slavery that the South couldn't even field an army and the Civil War never happened.
 
2012-12-18 06:34:37 PM
Commies!
 
2012-12-18 06:35:39 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.

[api.ning.com image 600x450]

yeah...


Nobody's stopping Texans from erecting war memorials. Hell, they've got hundreds, maybe thousands of them. The flag of the confederacy is freighted with negative connotations, particularly for black Americans, and it is inappropriate to display it at schools or other government buildings. The war ended over a century ago, let it go.
 
2012-12-18 06:37:06 PM

HempHead: That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.


Now, now, our rights are only pesky when they are invoked by conservatives.
 
2012-12-18 06:40:53 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)



Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?


64% of the population of the south was in slavery in 1860. So while not everyone was a slave holder, there were a hell of a lot of slaves.

I love how southern treason apologists like to make excuses for their heritage, and its obvious moral failings.
 
2012-12-18 06:41:27 PM

theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.


Ever encounter "nice racism"? My first experience was in Alameda CA. I worked for Sears carpet cleaning right after high school, and Oakland was my given area. This nice old lady and her son greeted me at a house in Alameda that had a huge flea problem. As soon as she saw me shouted "I didn't know you were going to be Mexican!". She then told me if she knew that Sears was sending a Mexican she would have made some burritos for me. Then her and her son told me all about how they lived in Mexico for a couple of years back in the 70's, and knew what it was like to be Mexican. She then asked if i wanted to stay afterwards so she could show me her famous beans and rice.

/I got out of there as fast as i could.
//Another guy i worked with got refused at the door for being Mexican
///Guess my experience was more pleasant than his, but still retarded
 
2012-12-18 06:42:08 PM
Which one?
georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu 

I will occasionally fly the 13 star version of the Stars and Bars.

Makes me a racist I guess.
 
2012-12-18 06:42:41 PM

Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.


Once you step out of Travis County, the derp gets pretty thick. I grew up just an hour north of Austin and I remember this being a popular shirt when the movie, Malcolm X, was released:

www.kissmyrebelass.com
 
2012-12-18 06:43:00 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.


Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?
 
2012-12-18 06:43:09 PM
THIS again??!? OK, one - no self-respecting southerner (these days) would EVER consider Texas part of the southern US. It's Texas, alright? Texas. An'd I looking REAL hard at Oklahoma.

Two - there are GREAT things about the south! I've met evil rednecks all over the country, from upstate Maine to backwater Alaska, which In suppose would include the governor's mansion.

YES, there are lots of small towns - same thing in Washington state. Get outside of Seattle and you will find rednecks farking everywhere. NO ONE with half a lick of sense defends the confederate flag. Please remember that.
 
2012-12-18 06:43:23 PM

SuperT: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

first amendment bro.

I know it doesn't apply here since schools are basically prisons.


Rufus Lee King: Hey! Great! Let's not stop at half-measures, though. Why not destroy all the Confederate monuments at the Civil War battlefields. Oh, yeah, let's bulldoze the Confederate cemeteries as well. Who cares about desecrating the graves of traitors? Public rallies could be held to burn any books by Civil War historians that we don't like.


I'm not addressing any amendment rights or freedoms to display what you want.

To be proud that your ancestors fought to keep people enslaved and used as property. And that you farking LOST should be enough that flag represents the WORSE time of your area, not the BEST.
 
2012-12-18 06:44:18 PM

UNC_Samurai: special20: If she was really proud of her ancestry, she would do her research about her "Captain" and maybe ask to use his regimental flag... not the symbol of racism that is the stars and bars of today.

[i.imgur.com image 300x173]

Or use this flag:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x167]

"But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star."

Really, what rights?

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."


Dallas Cowboys?
 
2012-12-18 06:44:47 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Makes me a racist I guess.


No, no, just a traitor. Or a supporter of traitors, I suppose.

What else do you think those flags symbolize? Your heritage? This flag is your heritage:

3.bp.blogspot.com 

Just as it is mine and every other American.
 
2012-12-18 06:45:59 PM
"Southern heritage"...

Can we just stop with that BS? Please? That flag that you're so proud of doesn't (or shouldn't) reflect your "heritage". You want to show pride in your birthplace? Learn how to make biscuits and gravy like your grandmother used to make, and STFU about how the treason flag somehow makes you proud to be... to be what, exactly?
 
2012-12-18 06:46:14 PM

muck4doo: //Another guy i worked with got refused at the door for being Mexican


Clarified. That was at a different house. His assistant was black, she let him clean the carpets, but refused the Mexican guy. To their credit, Sears told us if we ran into anymore of that shiat we could refuse working there. The vast majority of Oakland wasn't like that, just a few asshats though.
 
2012-12-18 06:47:47 PM

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


And you doooo know that the only "states right" that those treasonous states had issue with was the right to own other people as slaves, right? Why, they even went so far as to have their legislatures write out in great detail what their cause was.

Mississippi's was the best, I think, and the most clearly stated...

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

Ah yeah, I love the smell of states rights in the morning. It smells like.... slavery.
 
2012-12-18 06:48:02 PM

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.
 
2012-12-18 06:48:09 PM
sounds like a lot of butt hurt in here...

its just a flag, right?
 
2012-12-18 06:48:17 PM

UNC_Samurai: detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District

Tinker co-exists with Bethel v Fraser (1986) and from Bethel comes Morse v Frederick (2007). Bethel allowed the school to censor non-obscene sexual innuendo, and Morse allowed the school to prohibit the "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner as reasonable under the drug policy.


Bethel was decided because that individual at the assembly was intending violating a school rule stating, "Conduct which materially and substantially interferes with the educational process is prohibited, including the use of obscene, profane language or gestures." The district won because it amounted to verbal speech that was not constitutionally protected.

Morse allowed the school to prohibit the banner because it promoted illegal behavior. Reprimanding a student because of a bumper sticker on his vehicle has nothing to do with the disruption of the educational process. A sticker in no way can be interpreted to be a promotion of illegal activities under Bong Hits for Jesus or an obscene gesture under Bethel. The confederate flag has historical, educational significance especially in the South, no different than the Gadsden flag in the colonies.
 
2012-12-18 06:48:27 PM

johncb76006: UNC_Samurai: special20: If she was really proud of her ancestry, she would do her research about her "Captain" and maybe ask to use his regimental flag... not the symbol of racism that is the stars and bars of today.

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Or use this flag:

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"But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star."

Really, what rights?

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."

Dallas Cowboys?


Washington Redskins.

/Google Cowboys chicken Club sometime.
//Cowboys fought with the Redskins a lot in the 60's about the Redskins racism
 
2012-12-18 06:48:29 PM
But I can still wear this to prom, right?

www.earthakitsch.com
 
2012-12-18 06:49:03 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Which one?
[georgiainfo.galileo.usg.edu image 446x750] 

I will occasionally fly the 13 star version of the Stars and Bars.

Makes me a racist I guess.


Why fly it at all? I can maybe see on the anniversary of a major battle your great great great granduncle fought in...but outside of something like that, it mystifies me.

And I've got to imagine that folks with ancestors in the Confederate Navy are few and far between, so using the Naval Jack doesn't make much sense either.
 
2012-12-18 06:49:26 PM

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


What? What about the redefinition of the new slave states after the annexation of both Texas and the Louisiana Purchase?
 
2012-12-18 06:50:05 PM

amquelbettamin: But I can still wear this to prom, right?

[www.earthakitsch.com image 267x390]


No. That godawful hat doesn't match the tie.
 
2012-12-18 06:50:48 PM
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

No. No you can't. You can be ashamed of it instead, like a farking normal human being who thinks slavery and racism aren't something to celebrate. Dumbass.
 
2012-12-18 06:50:57 PM
Why do so many people think their heritage is inherently a good thing? It's narcissism. I have family who lived in Nazi Germany and later in Soviet-controlled East Germany. Should I honor those flags?
 
2012-12-18 06:51:50 PM
Why don't they stick with their original flag?

www.wou.edu
 
2012-12-18 06:52:36 PM

Craptastic: amquelbettamin: But I can still wear this to prom, right?

[www.earthakitsch.com image 267x390]

No. That godawful hat doesn't match the tie.


You know what? I take that back. It's not a bad-looking hat, if you like that sort of thing. The tie, however, is horrible. and the girl's left eye is disturbingly higher than her right eye.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:02 PM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: buckler: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

Sure. Go ahead and burn as many crosses on the lawns of black folks as you like. (eyeroll)



Thanks for the history lesson. I was unaware that every single person living in the south owned slaves.

Those share croppers must had had it made in the shade. Funny how the history books always leave out the fact that every single person had a slave. Right ?


They use the same argument.
 
2012-12-18 06:54:07 PM
It's nice to live in such an enlightened age...... At least, I think.

Will our heirs look back in 50 years and wonder why our society and media ignored black homicidal pathologies? Will they wonder why we chose to allow large zones of our once great cities to become no-go zones for the children of the people that built them? Will they wonder why our troops were patrolling on the other side of the planet while blacks in our cities were murdering hundreds of their neighbors a year?
 
2012-12-18 06:54:29 PM

muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.


It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.
 
2012-12-18 06:55:23 PM
guess someone won't be driving their General Wee to school...



l.yimg.com
 
2012-12-18 06:55:24 PM

KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?


Lincoln never intended to end slavery in states that had decided for it. He believed that it would eventually die out, left to its own devices.

However, what was in contention was the Territories. And that slavery life would be extended.

The south decided to fight the North. They lost.

So fark your state rights...especially if you think you have the right to treat other humans as properties.
 
2012-12-18 06:57:21 PM

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: Makes me a racist I guess.

No, no, just a traitor. Or a supporter of traitors, I suppose.

What else do you think those flags symbolize? Your heritage? This flag is your heritage:

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Just as it is mine and every other American.


It's not my heritage... I'm a west coast kid... and my family came from Cleveland... and Europe before that.

The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.
 
2012-12-18 06:57:50 PM

vegasj: sounds like a lot of butt hurt in here...

its just a flag, right?


To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.
 
2012-12-18 06:57:56 PM
A couple months ago, I visited South Carolina. I found myself in a shop that was draped with Confederate flags, and filled with racist anti-Obama bumper stickers and T-shirts. I found copies of both the Turner Diaries and Little Black Sambo, American Flag panties and bikinis, camo suits and plenty of pro-gun propaganda, a zillion beer cozies with the stars and bars, and none of it seemed to engender any "pride" or respect for history at all. Just revulsion and disgust.
 
2012-12-18 06:58:09 PM
"Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

By her reasoning, if your great-grandfather was in the Waffen SS that would make putting a Nazi flag on your front porch OK.

I'm pretty sure that the Germany's own government would curb-stomp that idea pretty quick. Why the US government puts up with any of this nonsense is beyond me.
 
2012-12-18 06:58:24 PM

shintochick: I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War


Hell, I've seen trucks with confederate flags, and I live in Michigan.
 
2012-12-18 06:58:35 PM

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.

It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.


There are few idiots who celebrate it. There are more idiots who want to point at it and act as their state never did anything wrong, or doesn't have idiots left. Which state has the most hate groups?
 
2012-12-18 06:59:23 PM

Craptastic: Craptastic: amquelbettamin: But I can still wear this to prom, right?

[www.earthakitsch.com image 267x390]

No. That godawful hat doesn't match the tie.

You know what? I take that back. It's not a bad-looking hat, if you like that sort of thing. The tie, however, is horrible. and the girl's left eye is disturbingly higher than her right eye.


But would you still wear her to prom?
 
2012-12-18 06:59:52 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.


maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.

 
2012-12-18 07:00:08 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-18 07:00:09 PM

vegasj: guess someone won't be driving their General Wee to school...

[l.yimg.com image 850x637]


General Lee was part of the Union army before jumping ship. Pissed Lincoln off so much he made Lee's plantation into Arlington Cemetery.
 
2012-12-18 07:00:13 PM

vegasj: guess someone won't be driving their General Wee to school...



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I think Bo and Luke are too tall to fit in there.
 
2012-12-18 07:00:20 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.


Then traitor it is. Feel free to gtfo of this country at your earliest convenience.

You'd probably like Somalia. I hear it's lovely this time of year.
 
2012-12-18 07:00:42 PM

Ed Finnerty: Why don't they stick with their original flag?

[www.wou.edu image 521x344]


Agreed

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2012-12-18 07:00:58 PM

theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.


If you're as old as I am, it's probably because they assumed your grandmother "was an Indian princess" as claimed by every brown eyed white person I went to school with. The ground must've been thick with Indian royalty. @@
 
2012-12-18 07:01:07 PM

vegasj: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.

maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.


Maybe southerners might want to realize the same thing, and just quit using it.
 
2012-12-18 07:01:29 PM

NephilimNexus: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

By her reasoning, if your great-grandfather was in the Waffen SS that would make putting a Nazi flag on your front porch OK.

I'm pretty sure that the Germany's own government would curb-stomp that idea pretty quick. Why the US government puts up with any of this nonsense is beyond me.


I have always said that the greatest mistake Grant ever made was to not hang the entire Confederate Command staff in front of Appomattox Courthouse. We put up with it because we decided to treat the treasonous bastards like prodigal sons instead of... well, treasonous bastards.
 
2012-12-18 07:01:58 PM
How about a trade? Southeners stop with the confederate flag and blacks stop talking loud in the theater and calling each other the N word?
 
2012-12-18 07:02:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: Makes me a racist I guess.

No, no, just a traitor. Or a supporter of traitors, I suppose.

What else do you think those flags symbolize? Your heritage? This flag is your heritage:

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Just as it is mine and every other American.

It's not my heritage... I'm a west coast kid... and my family came from Cleveland... and Europe before that.

The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers...


And can you give us some specific examples of what those were?
 
2012-12-18 07:02:26 PM

muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.

It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.

There are few idiots who celebrate it. There are more idiots who want to point at it and act as their state never did anything wrong, or doesn't have idiots left. Which state has the most hate groups?


By raw numbers, probably California or New York due to high population. I'm going to guess Idaho if you're going per capita.
 
2012-12-18 07:02:29 PM

Need_MindBleach: shintochick: I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War

Hell, I've seen trucks with confederate flags, and I live in Michigan.


Nothing makes me laugh like a West Virginian hollering about how the south is gonna rise again...
 
2012-12-18 07:03:04 PM

vegasj: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.

maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.


Maybe the Northers should end the racism in their own places before acting righteous. Boston anyone? Take a look at what the most segregated cities in the U.S. are.
 
2012-12-18 07:03:19 PM

muck4doo: Ever encounter "nice racism"? My first experience was in Alameda CA. I worked for Sears carpet cleaning right after high school, and Oakland was my given area. This nice old lady and her son greeted me at a house in Alameda that had a huge flea problem. As soon as she saw me shouted "I didn't know you were going to be Mexican!". She then told me if she knew that Sears was sending a Mexican she would have made some burritos for me. Then her and her son told me all about how they lived in Mexico for a couple of years back in the 70's, and knew what it was like to be Mexican. She then asked if i wanted to stay afterwards so she could show me her famous beans and rice.


Ugh. My dad will do stuff like that when he meets non-whites. "I like Mexicans. They're hard-working people." "I got nothing against blacks. I worked with black people before and never had any trouble."

His heart is in the right place but his head is up his arse.
 
2012-12-18 07:03:30 PM

Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.


I'm not sure I've ever read a history book from Texas but surely it would include in New Jersey, some slaves were held as late as 1865 Same goes for Kentucky and Delaware.

The more you know.
 
2012-12-18 07:04:55 PM

Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.


Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

The thirteenth amendment, abolishing slavery, was passed by the Senate in April 1864, and by the House of Representatives in January 1865.[95] The amendment did not take effect until it was ratified by three fourths of the states, which occurred on December 6, 1865 when Georgia ratified it. On that date, all remaining slaves became officially free.[96]

Legally, the last 40,000 or so slaves were freed in Kentucky[97] by the final ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in December 1865. Slaves still held in Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Delaware, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Washington, D.C., and twelve parishes of Louisiana[98] also became legally free on this date.
 
2012-12-18 07:04:56 PM
What is your farking obsession with that flag.. it has nothing at all to do with race and yet in the past few years you have convinced yourselves and every other liberal democrat dushbag that it is some sort of silent symbol to bring back slavery or something. I was born and raised in the south and am 6th generation Texan and I know I could never convince you complete idiots it has nothing to do with race. To us it is just a symbol of the south.

Oh and here it comes where a bunch if complete brainwashed circle jerk idiots will tell me what it really means to me.

Before you even reply let me roll my eyes.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-18 07:05:12 PM

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.

It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.

There are few idiots who celebrate it. There are more idiots who want to point at it and act as their state never did anything wrong, or doesn't have idiots left. Which state has the most hate groups?

By raw numbers, probably California or New York due to high population. I'm going to guess Idaho if you're going per capita.


It's California by far. But of course, this is a Southern problem. Race gangs have their strongest hold in CA.
 
2012-12-18 07:05:45 PM

atomic-age: theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.

If you're as old as I am, it's probably because they assumed your grandmother "was an Indian princess" as claimed by every brown eyed white person I went to school with. The ground must've been thick with ...


Oh yeah, I remember this during the 80s. EVERY poor white AND black person I knew had "Indian" in them, and some people (especially the ghetto kids) went out of their way to ridicule actual Africans...I mean, there's self-loathing and cultural pissings, but WTF?
 
2012-12-18 07:07:34 PM

clane: To us it is just a symbol of the south.


Yes, the south that tried to secede from the US and hang on to slavery a little longer. We know you see it as a symbol of the south. We just don't understand why you would want to advertise that?
 
2012-12-18 07:08:27 PM

Benjamin Orr: Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.

Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

The thirteenth amendment, abolishing slavery, was passed by the Senate in April 1864, and by the House of Representatives in January 1865.[95] The amendment did not take effect until it was ratified by three fourths of the states, which occurred on December 6, 1865 when Georgia ratified it. On that date, all remaining slaves became officially free.[96]

Legally, the last 40,000 or so slaves were freed in Kentucky[97] by the final ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution in December 1865. Slaves still held in Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, New Jersey, Delaware, West Virginia, Maryland, Missouri, Washington, D.C., and twelve parishes of Louisiana[98] also became legally free on this date.


And yes... fark all those redneck bastards with the conferdate flags.. but get your damn history right
 
2012-12-18 07:08:48 PM

Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?


Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?
 
2012-12-18 07:08:56 PM

Dr. Whoof: KidneyStone: Darth_Lukecash: Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

Neither is pissing on state's rights.

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Oh really?

"Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

Maybe read a history book not printed in Texas once in a while.


p.s:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 07:09:33 PM
Hmm...a few years ago (when Georgia was FINALLY changing their flag), there was a contest from Architectural DIgest, off all mags, to design a new flag. Some of them were pretty amazing, and would've been great to 'rebrand' southern regioanl pride. Instead the got the damn Six Flags thing.
 
2012-12-18 07:10:13 PM

muck4doo: Hays county? Just a couple of stupid kids. Hays county isn't a racism den. I've encountered more racism in Greene County NY, and Santa Clara County CA than I have in Hays County. I'm sure the derp crowd will see TX though and think everyone is just lynching away down here. Thanks for the derp, mass media.


We are...
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Hot like fire!
 
2012-12-18 07:10:27 PM
www.city-data.com

Racists....
 
2012-12-18 07:10:39 PM

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?


But you said all of the northern states got rid of slavery before the civil war.... and they didn't
 
2012-12-18 07:11:06 PM

KidneyStone: p.s:


P.S.: Your statement was false. A link was provided. You sir, are a dipshiat of epic proportions.
 
2012-12-18 07:11:07 PM

Rufus Lee King: The Confederate battle flag has been stolen by such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, et al. for use as their symbol.


And why do you think that is?
 
2012-12-18 07:11:53 PM
If I owned Texas and I owned Hell.
I'd rent out Texas and live in Hell.
 
2012-12-18 07:12:23 PM

wallywam1: muck4doo: Ever encounter "nice racism"? My first experience was in Alameda CA. I worked for Sears carpet cleaning right after high school, and Oakland was my given area. This nice old lady and her son greeted me at a house in Alameda that had a huge flea problem. As soon as she saw me shouted "I didn't know you were going to be Mexican!". She then told me if she knew that Sears was sending a Mexican she would have made some burritos for me. Then her and her son told me all about how they lived in Mexico for a couple of years back in the 70's, and knew what it was like to be Mexican. She then asked if i wanted to stay afterwards so she could show me her famous beans and rice.

Ugh. My dad will do stuff like that when he meets non-whites. "I like Mexicans. They're hard-working people." "I got nothing against blacks. I worked with black people before and never had any trouble."

His heart is in the right place but his head is up his arse.


HA! My dad was talking about "allah them Ay-rabs". I said "Dad, you said ALLAH them Ay-rabs! Get it?" He smiled sagely at me and said "Oh yes, I nkow it's supposed to be Allah THOSE Ay-rabs!"

What can I say? He's from a different generation, and it's pointless to try to change a complete worldview in someone. But I love him - he's my dad!
 
2012-12-18 07:12:47 PM

Benjamin Orr: Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?

But you said all of the northern states got rid of slavery before the civil war.... and they didn't


Oh did I? I quoted a piece from Wikipedia refuting his claim, with a link proving what he said was false. Or is that statement from Wiki false? And if so, are you editing it right now?
 
2012-12-18 07:12:58 PM

wallywam1: muck4doo: Ever encounter "nice racism"? My first experience was in Alameda CA. I worked for Sears carpet cleaning right after high school, and Oakland was my given area. This nice old lady and her son greeted me at a house in Alameda that had a huge flea problem. As soon as she saw me shouted "I didn't know you were going to be Mexican!". She then told me if she knew that Sears was sending a Mexican she would have made some burritos for me. Then her and her son told me all about how they lived in Mexico for a couple of years back in the 70's, and knew what it was like to be Mexican. She then asked if i wanted to stay afterwards so she could show me her famous beans and rice.

Ugh. My dad will do stuff like that when he meets non-whites. "I like Mexicans. They're hard-working people." "I got nothing against blacks. I worked with black people before and never had any trouble."

His heart is in the right place but his head is up his arse.


It's really awkward, they mean right, but it's also very condescending. You are put in a place where you know they see your color as you, but are still trying to be nice. In a way they are more frustrating than the racist who says he doesn't like you.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:07 PM

muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.

It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.

There are few idiots who celebrate it. There are more idiots who want to point at it and act as their state never did anything wrong, or doesn't have idiots left. Which state has the most hate groups?

By raw numbers, probably California or New York due to high population. I'm going to guess Idaho if you're going per capita.

It's California by far. But of course, this is a Southern problem. Race gangs have their strongest hold in CA.


Even per capita?

Then again, we have lots of people, and lots of different kinds of people. More ways to hate each other.

Our prison system doesn't help any, either.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:18 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Texas school board finally votes to ban Confederate flag on school property.


Someone told them the flag was retarded and they immediately voted to execute it.


Texas has a brown flag?
 
2012-12-18 07:13:21 PM

amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....


I blame Outkast.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:58 PM
Allen. The end.:

As you can see from my picture, I am saltine-American on my father's side and white trash on my mother's. To all the Indian nobility, I just rolled my eyes and told them my family was such pwt that nobody else would have them but other redheaded honkies.

Also, just how many relations did Jefferson Davis have, anyway? To hear it told, he and Robert E. Lee apparently sired the ancestors of every white kid in Alabama.

Except me. See above.
 
2012-12-18 07:15:11 PM

Allen. The end.: amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....

I blame Outkast.


I assumed Myrtle Beach
 
2012-12-18 07:15:50 PM

clane: What is your farking obsession with that flag.. it has nothing at all to do with race and yet in the past few years you have convinced yourselves and every other liberal democrat dushbag that it is some sort of silent symbol to bring back slavery or something. I was born and raised in the south and am 6th generation Texan and I know I could never convince you complete idiots it has nothing to do with race. To us it is just a symbol of the south.

Oh and here it comes where a bunch if complete brainwashed circle jerk idiots will tell me what it really means to me.

Before you even reply let me roll my eyes.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x140]


Really, so if it has nothing to do with race now come I have never ever in my life seen a southern black man displaying a confederate flag? If it's got nothing to do with race why can't anyone but the white people from the area embrace it?
 
2012-12-18 07:16:04 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: Makes me a racist I guess.

No, no, just a traitor. Or a supporter of traitors, I suppose.

What else do you think those flags symbolize? Your heritage? This flag is your heritage:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 800x421] 

Just as it is mine and every other American.

It's not my heritage... I'm a west coast kid... and my family came from Cleveland... and Europe before that.

The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.


IE, willing to free black people, right?
 
2012-12-18 07:16:29 PM

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: Or maybe you should read a few more yourself?

Please tell me what this moron's first statement was. No, wait, I'll do it for you:

You doooo know that when the war broke out slavery was only prohibited in the Confederate states?

Now, Mr. History Professor, is this a true or false statement? Did no other states other than the Confederate states have prohibition on slavery?

But you said all of the northern states got rid of slavery before the civil war.... and they didn't

Oh did I? I quoted a piece from Wikipedia refuting his claim, with a link proving what he said was false. Or is that statement from Wiki false? And if so, are you editing it right now?


Jesus Christ... try reading your own link you bastard.....
 
2012-12-18 07:16:58 PM

Rufus Lee King: [www.moc.org image 350x200]Ok, now that I have your attention...

The Confederate battle flag has been stolen by such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, et al. for use as their symbol.

Please listen to me, here; sorry to have to shout:

THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE IT!!!

Especially the nuts in places like Idaho.

Idaho, I'm fairly sure, had nothing to do with the Civil War.


I always found the damn rag particularly galling when it festooned vehicles in Kansas. I expect such asshattery in Alabama; I do. In Bleeding Kansas? fark off and fark that flag.
 
2012-12-18 07:18:23 PM
Link

The Proclamation applied in only ten states that were still in rebellion in 1863, and thus did not cover the nearly 500,000 slaves in the slave-holding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland or Delaware) which were Union states - those slaves were freed by separate state and federal actions. The state of Tennessee had already mostly returned to Union control, so it was not named and was exempted. Virginia was named, but exemptions were specified for the 48 counties then in the process of forming the new state of West Virginia, and seven additional counties and two cities in the Union-controlled Tidewater region.[8] Also specifically exempted were New Orleans and 13 named parishes of Louisiana, all of which were also already mostly under Federal control at the time of the Proclamation. These exemptions left unemancipated an additional 300,000 slaves.[9]
 
2012-12-18 07:18:59 PM

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: muck4doo: Meanwhile in CA they weren't practicing slavery, they were just killing chinks every chance they got.

It was illegal for a Chinese to marry a white in CA until sometime in the Sixties, I think.

Dirty history everywhere. But only some places celebrate it.

There are few idiots who celebrate it. There are more idiots who want to point at it and act as their state never did anything wrong, or doesn't have idiots left. Which state has the most hate groups?

By raw numbers, probably California or New York due to high population. I'm going to guess Idaho if you're going per capita.

It's California by far. But of course, this is a Southern problem. Race gangs have their strongest hold in CA.

Even per capita?

Then again, we have lots of people, and lots of different kinds of people. More ways to hate each other.

Our prison system doesn't help any, either.


I'm willing to bet it is. Take a trip to Hays County TX sometime, then go to Greene County NY or Santa Clara County CA. You experience the three, then tell me where the derp is. It's not going to be Hays County TX. Santa Clara County has a lot of hate going on between the different non-white groups.
 
2012-12-18 07:19:12 PM

Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
I have always said that the greatest mistake Grant ever made was to not hang the entire Confederate Command staff in front of Appomattox Courthouse. We put up with it because we decided to treat the treasonous bastards like prodigal sons instead of... well, treasonous bastards.



Half-sister of Mary Todd Lincoln, Emilie (Emily) Todd Helm first came to the White House in December 1863, accompanied by her daughter Katherine. In March 1861, President Lincoln had offered her husband, Ben Hardin Helm, the job of army paymaster, which he declined. He instead became a confederate general. Ben Hardin Helm, was killed at the Battle of Chickamauga in September 1863. Upon learning of Helm's death, Lincoln reputedly wept and said, "I feel as David of old did when he was told of the death of Absalom."

After Helm's death, his widow, Emilie Todd Helm, visited Abraham and Mary Lincoln in the White House. This created a stir in Washington, and newspapers complained when Lincoln's rebel sister-in-law visited. Later, when Emilie was seeking the president's permission to travel into the Confederacy to sell cotton, she reminded Lincoln that Union bullets had made her a widow and her children orphans, so Lincoln bore the responsibility to help her. Although Lincoln was the Union commander-in-chief, most of his inlaws, the Todd family of Lexington, supported the Confederacy. Few families were immune from the divisions of the Civil War.


The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.
 
2012-12-18 07:22:23 PM

Benjamin Orr: Jesus Christ... try reading your own link you bastard.....


Just answer my question - was the quote wrong?

You are currently arguing that KidneyStone is correct and no northern states had prohibition on Slavery. That was his statement. That's what I responded to, and then you had to jump in that the quote was false. Is it false?
 
2012-12-18 07:24:27 PM

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: The flag represents people who were willing to stand up and fight a Federal Government which was expanding well beyond it's prescribed powers... at least to me it does.

Then traitor it is. Feel free to gtfo of this country at your earliest convenience.

You'd probably like Somalia. I hear it's lovely this time of year.


Meh... I don't think I'd like it there.

I can love this Country, yet hate some things it has done and has become... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I vote, I pay my taxes... I can accept the good with the bad.

Also... flying the Stars and Stripes can pretty easily represent a support of Slavery... Genocide... Racism... and so on. It's a matter of perspective.
 
2012-12-18 07:25:07 PM
And by the way, I may be a little biatchier than usual because I'm currently under the weather, but I'm sorry, I'm not letting a confederate apologist's BS fly. Yeah, you know guys, there may have been slavery still in pockets of the north, but claiming that only the south had abolition forced on it is just pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-12-18 07:26:09 PM
You said "Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

implying that all Northern states had banned slavery (which they did not).... as evidenced by the fact that quite a few of them still had slaves up until after the war.

He is a moron for saying only the Southern states dealt with slavery before the war and you are not being honest when you say the North got rid of it.
 
2012-12-18 07:27:25 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: I can love this Country, yet hate some things it has done and has become... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I vote, I pay my taxes... I can accept the good with the bad.


So...slavery was good then? That's your position. Because the government can't tell states to stop, you know, treating human beings like cattle.

I take it back...traitor and racist. So I repeat, please feel free to GTFO. We don't need you here.
 
2012-12-18 07:27:40 PM

muck4doo:

I'm willing to bet it is. Take a trip to Hays County TX sometime, then go to Greene County NY or Santa Clara County CA. You experience the three, then tell me where the derp is. It's not going to be Hays County TX. Santa Clara County has a lot of hate going on between the different non-white groups.



Say what you will about Santa Clara or wherever else....It's Hays County TX in the article, with jackasses letting their freak flag fly over the Stars'n'Bars. Like the rest of the country, they should know better.
 
2012-12-18 07:28:02 PM

Rufus Lee King: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Rufus Lee King: The Confederate battle flag has been stolen by such groups as the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, et al. for use as their symbol.

And why do you think that is?

I don't know. Honestly, I can't get into their warped minds. I just resent their use of the flag. I reiterate, the flag doesn't belong to them; it's in no way their right to use it.

I know what you're implying, but things aren't as cut and dried as that.


Its probably because the South fought to keep slaves
 
2012-12-18 07:28:08 PM

Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.


War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.
 
2012-12-18 07:28:51 PM

detritus: ACLU Lawsuit time! My principal banned Tool shirts (even with just the letters "tool") because she interpreted it to be a promotion of sexual innuendeo, even though it's a rock band. Retards who interpret the confederate flag to be about racism is a direct result of idiots who have no understanding and education of the confederate government. Yet, Texas seems to bring up the topic of secession more often than anyone else. This is farking bullshiat any way you cut it.


It should be a capital offense to be ignorant of the greatest band of all time.
 
2012-12-18 07:30:34 PM

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today
 
2012-12-18 07:32:40 PM
Just to be clear:

Ban a book because we don't like the attached message: BAD!
Ban a flag because we don't like the attached message: GOOD!
 
2012-12-18 07:34:11 PM

theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.



We related?
 
2012-12-18 07:34:11 PM
Not sure anybody said to ban the flag (since it still exists)... just not a good idea to be on school property (like a lot of other things)... except to clearly identify the morons
 
2012-12-18 07:34:21 PM

Benjamin Orr: You said "Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

implying that all Northern states had banned slavery (which they did not).... as evidenced by the fact that quite a few of them still had slaves up until after the war.

He is a moron for saying only the Southern states dealt with slavery before the war and you are not being honest when you say the North got rid of it.


I never said that. Those words were never typed. You assumed it. All I did was post a quote and link directly refuting said moron.

I'll ask again, is what he said correct? And is the quote I posted false?

You know what, never mind. Just understand you spent a great deal of time and energy defending a statement that you yourself just admitted was wrong.
 
2012-12-18 07:34:24 PM
The last flag the south ever flew:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:34:26 PM

kukukupo: Just to be clear:

Ban a book because we don't like the attached message: BAD!
Ban a flag because we don't like the attached message: GOOD!


images.plus613.net
 
2012-12-18 07:34:56 PM

mbillodeaux: theflatline: muck4doo: Bonzo_1116: FTFA
The board's decision to ban the flag comes in the wake of a May incident in which a racial epithet, "KKK" and the words "catch em, kill em" were inscribed on an African-American teacher's door at Hays High. Two male students, then 14 years old, were charged in connection with the vandalism and the teacher, who had announced her resignation prior to the incident, left the district.

Melissa Deichmann, who spoke to the board with her daughter, Tiffany, a sophomore at Hays High, countered that the students were also accused with vandalizing other parts of the school.

"It was not just racial," she said.

Deichmann described her family's deep southern roots, telling trustees that her family fought at the Alamo and that her son, who graduated from Hays, is proud to be a Rebel.

Tiffany Deichmann told the board that she loves the Confederate flag, and that she wants her school ring to have the flag on it.

No, hon, it wasn't just racial. It was racial AND stupid.

WTF Texas?

And this is taking place near Austin....I thought that was a thinkin' part of Texas.

You will find douches even in San Francisco. It's a couple of kids doing something stupid, and the media wants to rile you up about it.

San Francisco has more douches per capita than any other place I have been to around the world.

"you sure are light skinned for a mexican" when heard speaking spanish in San Fran.

"you are pretty brown for a southerner" when saying I was from Louisiana.

"oh, you must be puerto rican" when seen dancing to a bit of salsa.

So being Colombian and Italian from the south, made me some sorty of anomaly in the bay area.

Growing up in the deep south, no one ever asked me why i was olive skinned, accused me of being a mexican or a puerto rican.


We related?


You guys are a credit to your race(s)
 
2012-12-18 07:36:00 PM

Dr. Whoof: Benjamin Orr: You said "Between 1777 and 1804, anti-slavery laws or constitutions were passed in every state north of the Ohio River and the Mason-Dixon Line."

implying that all Northern states had banned slavery (which they did not).... as evidenced by the fact that quite a few of them still had slaves up until after the war.

He is a moron for saying only the Southern states dealt with slavery before the war and you are not being honest when you say the North got rid of it.

I never said that. Those words were never typed. You assumed it. All I did was post a quote and link directly refuting said moron.

I'll ask again, is what he said correct? And is the quote I posted false?

You know what, never mind. Just understand you spent a great deal of time and energy defending a statement that you yourself just admitted was wrong.


Oh it was no trouble at all :)

Feel better soon
 
2012-12-18 07:36:23 PM

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.



Those people were trying to leave and form their own country. The Rosenbergs passed on secrets to the USSR that could have killed every man, woman and child in America.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:14 PM

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo:

I'm willing to bet it is. Take a trip to Hays County TX sometime, then go to Greene County NY or Santa Clara County CA. You experience the three, then tell me where the derp is. It's not going to be Hays County TX. Santa Clara County has a lot of hate going on between the different non-white groups.


Say what you will about Santa Clara or wherever else....It's Hays County TX in the article, with jackasses letting their freak flag fly over the Stars'n'Bars. Like the rest of the country, they should know better.


Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:26 PM

Need_MindBleach: shintochick: I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War

Hell, I've seen trucks with confederate flags, and I live in Michigan.


So have I, and I live in Canada.
 
2012-12-18 07:39:33 PM
Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed
 
2012-12-18 07:41:15 PM

Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today


Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.
 
2012-12-18 07:42:01 PM

Dr. Whoof: Pray 4 Mojo: I can love this Country, yet hate some things it has done and has become... the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I vote, I pay my taxes... I can accept the good with the bad.

So...slavery was good then? That's your position. Because the government can't tell states to stop, you know, treating human beings like cattle.

I take it back...traitor and racist. So I repeat, please feel free to GTFO. We don't need you here.


My position is that slavery was an accepted practice in this Country until it became economically and politically beneficial for the North to outlaw it.
 
2012-12-18 07:42:09 PM

Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.


Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.
 
2012-12-18 07:46:04 PM
Maybe the South likes to embrace heritage because it's the only remaining place that liberals will allow -- will encourage -- bigotry and discrimination against, and they feel the need for solidarity when being constantly called racist, stupid, inbred, zealous, incapable of thought, and being told that they're exactly like Nazi Germany?
 
2012-12-18 07:46:27 PM

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.


Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.
 
2012-12-18 07:46:43 PM

Benjamin Orr: Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed


www.jefferywestover.com

'Ah jeez...there aint no racicisms up here. Those people stay on the other side of the tracks like they're supposed to.'
 
2012-12-18 07:46:52 PM
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

www.biography.com
 
2012-12-18 07:47:12 PM

Dokushin: Maybe the South likes to embrace heritage because it's the only remaining place that liberals will allow -- will encourage -- bigotry and discrimination against, and they feel the need for solidarity when being constantly called racist, stupid, inbred, zealous, incapable of thought, and being told that they're exactly like Nazi Germany?


Except the liberal states act like a bunch of racists themselves. Boston anyone?
 
2012-12-18 07:49:31 PM

vegasj: guess someone won't be driving their General Wee to school...



[l.yimg.com image 850x637]


That is farking AWESOME. I have an incredible urge to buy a Smart Car right now just so I can get that paint job on it. And I'm Canadian.
 
2012-12-18 07:50:04 PM

Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


Yeah, but the reason they took up arms was because Lincoln didn't want to let them go. Think of how many lives would have been saved if he had just said "well, bye, then"
If today, Texas or Vermont wanted out of the union, I would have no problem with it. I certainly would hope the federal govt. would take a more enlightened attitude.
Some day parts of the American southwest may get so full of Mexicans they wish to become part of Mexico again. I would hope we could come to a peaceful resolution and allow them to leave.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:09 PM
First off, all arguments citing historically correct information are invalid as a very small minority of Southern Confederates (not an actual group just using it to refer to the members of the culture that love and display the modern 'Confederate Flag') actually knows history with any historical accuracy. It's all legend and stories they've received from their family and social groups. And while a good many members of that culture are incredibly racist people the showing of the Confederate Flag is an exclusively racial statement nor is it directed to offend just black people. It's pretty much a polite southern way of saying "damnit I love bein southern and I love the life I live, the life my family has lived for at least three generations, and if you gotta problem with it, fark you" And seriously, if you've got a problem with it, fark you. Of course you have every right to be upset, but telling someone to their face in public that you have a problem with their confederate flag, you're most likely going to get punched in the face and deserve it for being so stupid as to poke a bear with a stick.
On the other hand, I don't really see a place for it in government institutions any more as they are supposed to represent everyone.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:16 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Benjamin Orr: Upstate NY has an amazing concentration of Confederate flags too. "Southern Pride" indeed

 
[www.jefferywestover.com image 377x293]
 
'Ah jeez...there aint no racicisms up here. Those people stay on the other side of the tracks like they're supposed to.'
 
 
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 07:51:18 PM

Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.

Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.


So, you don't actually have a chain of reasoning that leads you to your conclusion?

That's funny, because I have one for mine, and I also have the benefit of a known outcome. We can look at the results, which are pretty bad, and they stem directly from the reconciliation attitude we took with the south.

So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."
 
2012-12-18 07:52:14 PM

muck4doo:

Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.


Admit it, it's pretty derpy.

Besides, we already have today's California hurp on the main page about the Fundies vs. Yoga in elementary school. I found it refreshing that the comments there didn't call out hippies, mostly complaints about plastic Christians.
 
2012-12-18 07:52:40 PM

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
I am pretty sure that if the North had executed officers that surrendered we would have had much more problems than we do today

Really? Do tell. I am curious about your surety. We didn't seem to have a problem indicting Jefferson Davis for treason. That would have been a capital offense.

Except they put him in country club jail for 2 years and did not hang him. There was more than enough hatred from the South to allow limited conflict/sabotage to happen for quite some time after the official end of the war. If you don't think that actually hanging officers would have added to the hatred/resentment then I don't have any words for you. It is as simple as that.

So, you don't actually have a chain of reasoning that leads you to your conclusion?

That's funny, because I have one for mine, and I also have the benefit of a known outcome. We can look at the results, which are pretty bad, and they stem directly from the reconciliation attitude we took with the south.

So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."


So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?
 
2012-12-18 07:52:53 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]


And had we lost that war, that is exactly how history would have remembered him.

I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.
 
2012-12-18 07:53:54 PM
The trustees did not discuss the high school's fight song, Dixie, but Tenorio told the American-Statesman after the vote that they will visit that subject in the future. But, he said, there appears to be less opposition to the song than to the flag.
"The song is more subject to debate," he said. "At least in the minds of a lot of people."


What is wrong with wishing to be in Dixie?
 
2012-12-18 07:53:57 PM

Rent Party:
I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.


...but Washington was a slave owner...
 
2012-12-18 07:54:06 PM

Bonzo_1116: muck4doo:

Of course it is Hays County in the article. They want to bring out the angry derp crowd thinking this is what TX is about. The derp crowd will bite it hook line and sinker.

Admit it, it's pretty derpy.

Besides, we already have today's California hurp on the main page about the Fundies vs. Yoga in elementary school. I found it refreshing that the comments there didn't call out hippies, mostly complaints about plastic Christians.


The derp draws the numbers
 
2012-12-18 07:54:16 PM
Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

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HERITAGE, NOT HATE! 
 
2012-12-18 07:54:28 PM
Finny how many "enlightened" northerners seem pretty farking bigoted themselves.
 
2012-12-18 07:55:54 PM

vodka: Finny how many "enlightened" northerners seem pretty farking bigoted themselves.


You got something against Finns, vittupää?
 
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2012-12-18 07:55:57 PM

amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....



lol...they must be heading to the Bowery at Myrtle Beach.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:09 PM
I love how "the north is racist too!" somehow turns into a defense of racism.
 
2012-12-18 07:56:11 PM

Enemabag Jones: The trustees did not discuss the high school's fight song, Dixie, but Tenorio told the American-Statesman after the vote that they will visit that subject in the future. But, he said, there appears to be less opposition to the song than to the flag.
"The song is more subject to debate," he said. "At least in the minds of a lot of people."

What is wrong with wishing to be in Dixie?


Try reading the lyrics for the second and third verses... the whole song is from a happy slaves point of view
 
2012-12-18 07:56:18 PM

valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!


Well, the Nazis really had nothing to do with the extermination of the Jews, it was all about economics, just like the Civil War.
 
2012-12-18 07:57:40 PM

Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?


I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?
 
2012-12-18 07:57:50 PM
i860.photobucket.com


/because each star represents a million slaves kilt.
 
2012-12-18 07:58:30 PM

NEDM: Rent Party:
I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.

...but Washington was a slave owner...


Was that at issue during the revolution?

No?

Do you have a point?

No?

Go figure.
 
2012-12-18 07:59:03 PM

Rent Party: Pray 4 Mojo: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yes... yes it is.

No real American would ever do that.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

And had we lost that war, that is exactly how history would have remembered him.

I do enjoy how you are equating the cause of government by the governed to ownership of slaves, though. That's cute.


Thanks... I think it's pretty cute.

Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.

Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".
 
2012-12-18 08:00:12 PM

Rent Party: Go figure.


You seemed to be acting like mentioning slavery and Washington in the same sentence was insulting his memory.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:37 PM

Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: Vectron: Rent Party: NephilimNexus:
The war pitted brother against brother. Literally and figuratively. Hanging confederate officers would not have helped with reconciliation.
I would rather reserve hanging for true traitors like the Rosenbergs.

War is hell. Brothers didn't have too much trouble shooting at each other, and while reconciliation might have been harder, we damn sure wouldn't be seeing the kinds of crap we see in the south today.

And there is no truer form of treason than taking up arms against your country. Every single confederate bastard is guilty of it.


Those people were trying to leave and form their own country.

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

Yeah, but the reason they took up arms was because Lincoln didn't want to let them go. Think of how many lives would have been saved if he had just said "well, bye, then"
If today, Texas or Vermont wanted out of the union, I would have no problem with it. I certainly would hope the federal govt. would take a more enlightened attitude.
Some day parts of the American southwest may get so full of Mexicans they wish to become part of Mexico again. I would hope we could come to a peaceful resolution and allow them to leave.


I'm waiting for Colorado and Washington to secede over pot.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:45 PM
Funny, I went to Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio. Their football mascot was a rebel soldier that ran around with the Battle Flag, use to think it was called the Stars and bars but, now I know. Only went there for a year , army brat, just thought it was kind of weird to have a school named after a guy who wasn't even a citizen till the late 1970's or early '80s.

As far as the flag goes, my two cents, I look at it as a badge. Tells me there're with stupid. Most I know that fly the flag are racist cept one. He is and old friend from childhood and was a sergeant in the US Army. He was station in Afghanistan or Iraq and his units' commander said not to fly the USA flag over the base. So to show his balls he ran up the Battle Flag. He is Black.
 
2012-12-18 08:01:52 PM

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?


It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.

But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.
 
2012-12-18 08:02:11 PM

Pray 4 Mojo:
Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".


That would be a fact no matter who won the war. The treasonous states were kind enough to all pass articles of secession so that history could record forever exactly what their complaints were. All of them list one, and only one issue*.

I'll leave it to you to discover what that is.

* This is not technically true, as Texas had one paragraph in theirs biatching about the damn Mexicans.
 
2012-12-18 08:02:20 PM
By the way, I met tons of bigots in Upstate NY as well as CA, but many great people too. What I'm saying is don't join the derp mobile. Most Texans are great people who are not bigots. Yes, there are some left out there, but to judge a whole state based on a few idiots makes you look stupid. There are idiots in the North East as well as the West Coast as well. Do you judge those places the same way?
 
2012-12-18 08:02:43 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.


If you can't tell the difference between the two then our educational system has failed.
 
2012-12-18 08:03:15 PM

NEDM: Rent Party: Go figure.

You seemed to be acting like mentioning slavery and Washington in the same sentence was insulting his memory.


I seem to understand what the casus beli in each conflict was.
 
2012-12-18 08:04:36 PM
Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
2012-12-18 08:04:53 PM

Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?

It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.


Sooo... what you got is what you think might have happened based on.... nuthin.

Got it.


But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.


Well, I'm starting from what actually *did* happen, so I'm two steps ahead of you, professor.
 
2012-12-18 08:06:00 PM

fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.


See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
2012-12-18 08:06:41 PM
Whine about your heritage all you like, you hateful hillbillies. Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work. Or is this about your military heritage? You mean like the time you geniuses decided to pick a fight with an industrialized neighbor while you only had 16 miles of railroad track of your own? That's almost as brilliant as showing up to war without shoes.

Your precious Southern Heritage is little more than a history of vicious hatefulness and ignorance. Piss on it.
 
2012-12-18 08:07:59 PM

Insatiable Jesus: you hateful hillbillies


And another idiot who has no clue what he's talking about, just repeating the crap he read on Daily Kos.
 
2012-12-18 08:09:31 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Pray 4 Mojo: Although... I'm not equating anything. Just saying that decrying the Confederate Flag for celebrating "Treason" while celebrating the treason of the American Flag is a little hypocritical.

If you can't tell the difference between the two then our educational system has failed.


Could be... I went to Catholic school.

But I can tell the difference... just saying that simply crying "Treason!" is a dopey argument... since that's how this Country came to be.
 
2012-12-18 08:09:48 PM

fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.


That would work out great I'm sure.
 
2012-12-18 08:10:21 PM
Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.


You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did
 
2012-12-18 08:10:57 PM

valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!


No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.
 
2012-12-18 08:12:03 PM

Rent Party: Benjamin Orr: Rent Party: Benjamin Orr:
So I have words to describe your process. They would be "nonsensical" or sometimes "dumb."

So you really don't know anything about the failures of Reconstruction do you?

I'm deeply versed in it. Pretty much every difficulty in the south since reconstruction can be traced back to the Union's failure to eradicate rebel sentiment through the south. Do you suppose Nathan Bedford Forrest's reanimated corpse would have started the KKK if Grant had hung him like he should?

Do you have any factual arguments you'd like to make, or are you just going to throw around innuendo and truthieness?

It is pretty funny that you have a different opinion on how Reconstruction went than basically every historian out there. If Lincoln had not been assassinated things would have gone much smoother. But he was and people took it out on the Southern states.

And no... Zombie Forrest would not have come back from the grave... but it isn't like he was the only person that made the KKK.. others would have taken their places and probably more of them.


Sooo... what you got is what you think might have happened based on.... nuthin.

Got it.


But keep being retarded with your view of how it all happened.

Well, I'm starting from what actually *did* happen, so I'm two steps ahead of you, professor.


I am starting from what did happen... just not with your stupid "if we just killed them all it would have been better" stupidity. Try reading a few books about what actually happened and stop being such a dillhole.
 
2012-12-18 08:12:19 PM
Texans who love all races and creeds, but also the Dukes of Hazzard, are shedding a tear on this day.
 
2012-12-18 08:12:20 PM

Gdalescrboz: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did


Well, I'm not sure I agree with your thesis but a part of me wishes that Lincoln would have just let them go.
 
2012-12-18 08:12:25 PM

Gdalescrboz: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did

 
2012-12-18 08:13:40 PM

muck4doo: Insatiable Jesus: you hateful hillbillies

And another idiot who has no clue what he's talking about, just repeating the crap he read on Daily Kos.




I live in GA, I don't need Daily Kos to explain the South to me. It's kind of funny, being white, and watching these people go through this little dance when you meet them - as they try to figure out if you're one of them. Let 'em think you are and be ready for some awful comment about Obama or a racist joke.

Sherman and his half measures...
 
2012-12-18 08:14:09 PM

detritus: valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!

No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.


Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.
 
2012-12-18 08:15:56 PM

Insatiable Jesus: muck4doo: Insatiable Jesus: you hateful hillbillies

And another idiot who has no clue what he's talking about, just repeating the crap he read on Daily Kos.



I live in GA, I don't need Daily Kos to explain the South to me. It's kind of funny, being white, and watching these people go through this little dance when you meet them - as they try to figure out if you're one of them. Let 'em think you are and be ready for some awful comment about Obama or a racist joke.

Sherman and his half measures...


Try living in the north east for a few years. You will see how enlightened they are. Hell, try L.A. too. There was a reason they rioted.
 
2012-12-18 08:16:23 PM

muck4doo: Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.



They were better off when they knew their place, eh?
 
2012-12-18 08:17:32 PM

Gdalescrboz: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did


i217.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 08:17:39 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Good. One less thing for blacks and people with white guilt to biatch about.


rickpdx.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-18 08:18:28 PM

Insatiable Jesus: muck4doo: Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.


They were better off when they knew their place, eh?


Knowing their place as unemployable. Yeah, that was awesome!
 
2012-12-18 08:19:57 PM

muck4doo: detritus: valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!

No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.

Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.


The underground railroad never stopped in the free states for a reason. They wanted them out of the country.
 
2012-12-18 08:21:37 PM

detritus: muck4doo: detritus: valar_morghulis: Half of my family is of Austrian descent. I'm proud of my heritage.

[news.iskcon.com image 268x201]

HERITAGE, NOT HATE!

No, Southerners wanted slaves to breed because it was profitable which is why they didn't kill their investment. Hitler simply wanted to prevent breeding from happening.

Meanwhile Northers just made sure they had no jobs or anywhere to live. It was a great trade off.

The underground railroad never stopped in the free states for a reason. They wanted them out of the country.


Go to upstate NY. They still feel the same way. Look at the most segregated cities in the U.S, they still feel the same way.
 
2012-12-18 08:22:02 PM

muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.

 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.
 
2012-12-18 08:23:58 PM

fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.


Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.
 
2012-12-18 08:29:34 PM

muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.

Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.



Okay. You are not capable of understanding what I am doing. So I will stop.
 
2012-12-18 08:32:11 PM

fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.

Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.


Okay. You are not capable of understanding what I am doing. So I will stop.


We see what you are doing. It's just stupid.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:02 PM
You know what else is a symbol of rebellion and treason?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 08:36:55 PM

muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.

Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.


Okay. You are not capable of understanding what I am doing. So I will stop.

We see what you are doing. It's just stupid.


AH!

You're from Texas.
 
 
2012-12-18 08:39:12 PM

bluewirenut: Funny, I went to Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio. Their football mascot was a rebel soldier that ran around with the Battle Flag, use to think it was called the Stars and bars but, now I know. Only went there for a year , army brat, just thought it was kind of weird to have a school named after a guy who wasn't even a citizen till the late 1970's or early '80s.

As far as the flag goes, my two cents, I look at it as a badge. Tells me there're with stupid. Most I know that fly the flag are racist cept one. He is and old friend from childhood and was a sergeant in the US Army. He was station in Afghanistan or Iraq and his units' commander said not to fly the USA flag over the base. So to show his balls he ran up the Battle Flag. He is Black.


We had General Forrest Middle School. Emma Sansom High School's band uniforms had the Confederate flag on them; they were the Rebels. Their mascot was a Confederate soldier, IIRC.

Link

Emma Sansom High School sits boarded-up and abandoned like the other two city schools (including mine). There's now a hugenormous high school that serves the whole city. Alas, no more "Rebels".
 
2012-12-18 08:40:31 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Whine about your heritage all you like, you hateful hillbillies. Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work. Or is this about your military heritage? You mean like the time you geniuses decided to pick a fight with an industrialized neighbor while you only had 16 miles of railroad track of your own? That's almost as brilliant as showing up to war without shoes.

Your precious Southern Heritage is little more than a history of vicious hatefulness and ignorance. Piss on it.


Not to white-knight the "hateful and ignorant" Davis administration but it happened to include one Judah P. Benjamin, who was successively the Confederate Cabinet's attorney general, secretary of war, and secretary of state. Not bad for a Jew from Louisiana.

www.rebelstatescurrency.com
 
2012-12-18 08:43:12 PM

fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.

Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.


Okay. You are not capable of understanding what I am doing. So I will stop.

We see what you are doing. It's just stupid.

AH!

You're from Texas.


AH! You can stop with your ad hominem bullshiat. I live in Michigan and he's absolutely right.
 
2012-12-18 08:43:57 PM
Not sure why this just struck me as relevant... but I went to see "Lincoln" a few weeks ago... people kept walking out of the theater. I realized after about the 3rd or 4th group that they weren't coming back. Kept happening... every 5 or 10 minutes another couple/group would leave.

At the end of the movie, I realized that about 2/3 of the people had left.

WTF is up with that?!?!
 
2012-12-18 08:47:55 PM

detritus: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: muck4doo: fisker: Texas would be the perfect place for all republicans to go and form their own country.
 
They can take all their gay, abortion, God and religious issues and complain about them THERE.
 
They could build a giant prison system and fill it with black people who can build all the toys and products republicans crave for free, over THERE.
 
While the real America, BEST America can move on without all of that delusional bullshiat.
 
See, this is what i mean. Don't be stupid like this guy.
 
I'm sorry, I really am. But I don't want to talk about abortion and gay people with you anymore. Go find some other place to do that.

Facing facts are hard for you? The most segregated cities in this country are blue. Deal with it and your racist heritage.


Okay. You are not capable of understanding what I am doing. So I will stop.

We see what you are doing. It's just stupid.

AH!

You're from Texas.

AH! You can stop with your ad hominem bullshiat. I live in Michigan and he's absolutely right.



Then we'll do it in Michigan.
 
2012-12-18 08:51:23 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Not sure why this just struck me as relevant... but I went to see "Lincoln" a few weeks ago... people kept walking out of the theater. I realized after about the 3rd or 4th group that they weren't coming back. Kept happening... every 5 or 10 minutes another couple/group would leave.

At the end of the movie, I realized that about 2/3 of the people had left.

WTF is up with that?!?!


i.imgur.com

They didn't want another Aurora?
 
2012-12-18 08:52:59 PM

shintochick: I was shocked when I moved to northwest Washington State and saw some trucks with the rebel flag. I soon learned that one of the tiny neighboring towns was founded by people from North Carolina. They even do Civil War reenactments.

/too funny since WA State didn't participate in the Civil War


I tend to spit on vehicles I see in parking lots around here with confederate flag stickers.

/union vet descendant
 
2012-12-18 08:54:02 PM

WordsnCollision: Not to white-knight the "hateful and ignorant" Davis administration but it happened to include one Judah P. Benjamin, who was successively the Confederate Cabinet's attorney general, secretary of war, and secretary of state. Not bad for a Jew from Louisiana.




Not surprised, conservative morality and beliefs always go right out the window when a nickel hits the floor.
 
2012-12-18 08:55:19 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: red5ish: "Can I not be proud of my Southern heritage?" she asked, invoking her great-great-great-grandfather, who she said was a captain in the Civil War.

The war is over. You lost. Let it go.

[api.ning.com image 600x450]

yeah...


upload.wikimedia.org

yep.

/ three Roman Legions wiped out...
 
2012-12-18 09:00:13 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Also completely agree that the winners get to write the history books... which is why the entire cause of (and reason for) the Civil War is simply... "Slavery".


Sure,it's the NORTHERNERS who have been rewriting history LOL
Revisionists like, for example, Alexander H. Stephens, I guess.
 
You know, I have ancestors who owned slaves. I'm not proud of that.
Why should southerners be proud of it, and of committing treason to defend the practice?
 
2012-12-18 09:04:57 PM

Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.


I say, let people express their affection for slavery.

Then let the rest of us criticize them for it.



MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS IN ACTION
 
2012-12-18 09:05:32 PM
This thread really makes me want to hang a confederate flag from the back of my truck just to tick you libtards off. It would be fun. And you can spit on my truck. God knows it is dirty enough most of the time.

Slutter McGee
 
2012-12-18 09:09:22 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Not sure why this just struck me as relevant... but I went to see "Lincoln" a few weeks ago... people kept walking out of the theater. I realized after about the 3rd or 4th group that they weren't coming back. Kept happening... every 5 or 10 minutes another couple/group would leave.

At the end of the movie, I realized that about 2/3 of the people had left.

WTF is up with that?!?!



Because they went looking to see a depiction of history rather than another Hollywood fantasy story?
 
2012-12-18 09:09:51 PM

atomic-age: bluewirenut: Funny, I went to Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio. Their football mascot was a rebel soldier that ran around with the Battle Flag, use to think it was called the Stars and bars but, now I know. Only went there for a year , army brat, just thought it was kind of weird to have a school named after a guy who wasn't even a citizen till the late 1970's or early '80s.

As far as the flag goes, my two cents, I look at it as a badge. Tells me there're with stupid. Most I know that fly the flag are racist cept one. He is and old friend from childhood and was a sergeant in the US Army. He was station in Afghanistan or Iraq and his units' commander said not to fly the USA flag over the base. So to show his balls he ran up the Battle Flag. He is Black.

We had General Forrest Middle School. Emma Sansom High School's band uniforms had the Confederate flag on them; they were the Rebels. Their mascot was a Confederate soldier, IIRC.

Link

Emma Sansom High School sits boarded-up and abandoned like the other two city schools (including mine). There's now a hugenormous high school that serves the whole city. Alas, no more "Rebels".


Not sure what is up with Robert E. Lee High School. Could have fallen off the face of the earth for all i know.
on a side note , due like the link. did not know this story. high five to ya
 
2012-12-18 09:16:25 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill


Gdalescrboz: Rent Party:

Yes. By taking up arms against their current country. That, by definition, is treason.

You know how i know you havent taken more than high school history? The independently governed states of the union did not belong to a country that had the power to dictate laws in each state. When that central gov't decided it did, the south said, "hey, it was fun, but we no longer want to be a part of this union." The North said, "no, fark you, we are going to stay together and we will kill you in order to force you to submit to our laws." The North destroyed the American experiment when it won the civil. What the South did was not treason and more than if you were part of a club and decided to leave becasue you didnt like the changes in policy. I'm from the midwest so i don't have any hard feelings about this; from a nuetral standpoint, the North was wrong it what it did

Well, I'm not sure I agree with your thesis but a part of me wishes that Lincoln would have just let them go.


Well, northerns tend to rewrite history on this subject.
 
2012-12-18 09:22:04 PM
Hey, when a symbol has been used for and associated with extremely negative things, for decades, then it's understandable that people will be uncomfortable seeing that symbol.
 
2012-12-18 09:25:19 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, when a symbol has been used for and associated with extremely negative things, for decades, then it's understandable that people will be uncomfortable seeing that symbol.



They know that but the Conservative needs confrontation and conflict in the same way ordinary people need food and water. Hell, they even make their vehicles a confrontation. God forbid they should go to the store without taking at least one opportunity to enrage a liberal with a sticker pointing out that Obama is One Big Ass Mistake for America. They're like that one stripper that seems to be in every club, always has to be the center of attention, even if it's negative attention.
 
2012-12-18 09:30:22 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: clane: To us it is just a symbol of the south.

Yes, the south that tried to secede from the US and hang on to slavery a little longer. We know you see it as a symbol of the south. We just don't understand why you would want to advertise that?


Do you burn books you don't like too?
 
2012-12-18 09:33:16 PM

muck4doo: Dokushin: Maybe the South likes to embrace heritage because it's the only remaining place that liberals will allow -- will encourage -- bigotry and discrimination against, and they feel the need for solidarity when being constantly called racist, stupid, inbred, zealous, incapable of thought, and being told that they're exactly like Nazi Germany?

Except the liberal states act like a bunch of racists themselves. Boston anyone?


In Boston I've never had a cross burnt in my front yard
 
2012-12-18 09:35:08 PM

muck4doo: vegasj: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: To most southerners, yeah. To northerners it seems to be a symbol of racism, slavery, treason, and racism.

maybe northerners ought a lighten the fark up? let it go... it is in the past, its just a flag.

Maybe the Northers should end the racism in their own places before acting righteous. Boston anyone? Take a look at what the most segregated cities in the U.S. are.


There's a difference between segregated and actively hostile
 
2012-12-18 09:35:32 PM
Really, so if it has nothing to do with race now come I have never ever in my life seen a southern black man displaying a confederate flag? If it's got nothing to do with race why can't anyone but the white people from the area embrace it?

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2012-12-18 09:37:02 PM

detritus: A Shambling Mound: detritus: Spanky_McFarksalot: did they ban it in 1965? if not, headline makes no sense.

A little history education goes a long way (and the Confederacy, too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Commun it y_School_District

Still doesn't make any sense. That decision was related to black armbands protesting the Vietnam war and wasn't actually reached until 1969.

RTFA. It happened in December 1965. It took 4 years before SCOTUS ruled against the school district and set nationwide precedent.


I *did* RTFA and I was already familiar with Tinker. If that was what subby was referencing they could have done a better job of it. If you are subby then perhaps you could just say as much.

Still don't think the headline makes much sense except in the broadest of possible ways.

/baby wrangling for a few hours and the thread filled up
 
2012-12-18 09:41:07 PM

Gdalescrboz: Well, northerns tend to rewrite history on this subject.

 
The Vice President of the Confederacy said it was mainly about slavery, in 1861, in a public speech. Then he doubled down on it in a written "What I really said" article right afterward, which read, in part:
 
"Slavery was without doubt the occasion of secession" ... "The relation of the black to the white race, or the proper status of the coloured population amongst us, was a question now of vastly more importance than when the old Constitution was formed. The order of subordination was nature's great law; philosophy taught that order as the noraml condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding. This principle of the subordination of the inferior to the superior was the "corner-stone" on which it was formed. I used this metaphor merely to illustrate the firm convictions of the framers of the new Constitution that this relation of the black to the white race, which existed in 1787, was not wrong in itself, either morally or politically; that it was in conformity to nature and best for both races. I alluded not to the principles of the new Government on this subject, but to public sentiment in regard to these principles. The status of the African race in the new Constitution was left just where it was in the old; I affirmed and meant to affirm nothing else in this Savannah speech."
 
How are the northerns rewriting history, again?
Southerns:  * cicadas *
 
2012-12-18 09:53:59 PM

snowjack: Gdalescrboz: Well, northerns tend to rewrite history on this subject.
 
The Vice President of the Confederacy said it was mainly about slavery, in 1861, in a public speech. Then he doubled down on it in a written "What I really said" article right afterward, which read, in part:
 
"Slavery was without doubt the occasion of secession" ... "The relation of the black to the white race, or the proper status of the coloured population amongst us, was a question now of vastly more importance than when the old Constitution was formed. The order of subordination was nature's great law; philosophy taught that order as the noraml condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding. This principle of the subordination of the inferior to the superior was the "corner-stone" on which it was formed. I used this metaphor merely to illustrate the firm convictions of the framers of the new Constitution that this relation of the black to the white race, which existed in 1787, was not wrong in itself, either morally or politically; that it was in conformity to nature and best for both races. I alluded not to the principles of the new Government on this subject, but to public sentiment in regard to these principles. The status of the African race in the new Constitution was left just where it was in the old; I affirmed and meant to affirm nothing else in this Savannah speech."
 
How are the northerns rewriting history, again?
Southerns:  * cicadas *



That's just lies. It was about excessive riverboat taxes. 
 
2012-12-18 09:58:26 PM

atomic-age:
We had General Forrest Middle School. Emma Sansom High School's band uniforms had the Confederate flag on them; they were the Rebels. Their mascot was a Confederate soldier, IIRC.

Link

Emma Sansom High School sits boarded-up and abandoned like the other two city schools (including mine). There's now a hugenormous high school that serves the whole city. Alas, no more "Rebels".


Jiminy Christmas. The prose in that link was so purple I thought I'd see a paragraph about throbbing members straining at oh-so-constricting laces.

Land sakes! I do believe I have the vapors!
 
2012-12-18 10:05:47 PM

bluewirenut: atomic-age: bluewirenut: Funny, I went to Robert E. Lee High School in San Antonio. Their football mascot was a rebel soldier that ran around with the Battle Flag, use to think it was called the Stars and bars but, now I know. Only went there for a year , army brat, just thought it was kind of weird to have a school named after a guy who wasn't even a citizen till the late 1970's or early '80s.

As far as the flag goes, my two cents, I look at it as a badge. Tells me there're with stupid. Most I know that fly the flag are racist cept one. He is and old friend from childhood and was a sergeant in the US Army. He was station in Afghanistan or Iraq and his units' commander said not to fly the USA flag over the base. So to show his balls he ran up the Battle Flag. He is Black.

We had General Forrest Middle School. Emma Sansom High School's band uniforms had the Confederate flag on them; they were the Rebels. Their mascot was a Confederate soldier, IIRC.

Link

Emma Sansom High School sits boarded-up and abandoned like the other two city schools (including mine). There's now a hugenormous high school that serves the whole city. Alas, no more "Rebels".

Not sure what is up with Robert E. Lee High School. Could have fallen off the face of the earth for all i know.
on a side note , due like the link. did not know this story. high five to ya


One more stupid Confederate tricks tale, and I'll shut up.

I have actually seen a case of a Southerner named Roberty. This solves the problem of how to name your child for the Glorious Fallen One if your last name is not Lee: Roberty Lee (Last Name).

Yes, really.
 
2012-12-18 10:08:51 PM

twistofsin: Really, so if it has nothing to do with race now come I have never ever in my life seen a southern black man displaying a confederate flag?


because you're blind/you're not looking hard enough/it clashes with your preconceived notions, so you ignore it.

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www.theblaze.com
 
2012-12-18 10:25:05 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: twistofsin: Really, so if it has nothing to do with race now come I have never ever in my life seen a southern black man displaying a confederate flag?

because you're blind/you're not looking hard enough/it clashes with your preconceived notions, so you ignore it.


Found another one for you
 
mindofmalaka.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-18 10:29:44 PM
snowjack
Gdalescrboz: Well, northerns tend to rewrite history on this subject.

The Vice President of the Confederacy said it was mainly about slavery, in 1861, in a public speech. Then he doubled down on it in a written "What I really said" article right afterward, which read, in part:

"Slavery was without doubt the occasion of secession" ... "The relation of the black to the white race, or the proper status of the coloured population amongst us, was a question now of vastly more importance than when the old Constitution was formed. The order of subordination was nature's great law; philosophy taught that order as the noraml condition of the African amongst European races. Upon this recognized principle of a proper subordination, let it be called slavery or what not, our State institutions were formed and rested. The new Confederation was entered into with this distinct understanding. This principle of the subordination of the inferior to the superior was the "corner-stone" on which it was formed. I used this metaphor merely to illustrate the firm convictions of the framers of the new Constitution that this relation of the black to the white race, which existed in 1787, was not wrong in itself, either morally or politically; that it was in conformity to nature and best for both races. I alluded not to the principles of the new Government on this subject, but to public sentiment in regard to these principles. The status of the African race in the new Constitution was left just where it was in the old; I affirmed and meant to affirm nothing else in this Savannah speech."

How are the northerns rewriting history, again?
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Where in the fark did I say it wasn't about slavery? Are you retarded?
 
2012-12-18 10:39:21 PM

amquelbettamin: [www.city-data.com image 300x355]

Racists....


LoL....

poor girls here... they're all "racist" too

i49.tinypic.com

 
2012-12-18 10:47:14 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Whine about your heritage all you like, you hateful hillbillies. Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work. Or is this about your military heritage? You mean like the time you geniuses decided to pick a fight with an industrialized neighbor while you only had 16 miles of railroad track of your own? That's almost as brilliant as showing up to war without shoes.

Your precious Southern Heritage is little more than a history of vicious hatefulness and ignorance. Piss on it.


Oh sweet irony!
 
2012-12-18 10:53:36 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work.


To be fair... farming was boom'n back then.

 
2012-12-18 11:07:10 PM

Lionel Mandrake: HempHead: That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.

This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

/or the 1st Amandment


What would you call it when history books are burned because they contain pictures of the Confederate flag?
 
2012-12-18 11:17:37 PM

HempHead: Lionel Mandrake: HempHead: That pesky 1st Amandments benn nothing but trouble anyhow.

This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment.

/or the 1st Amandment

What would you call it when history books are burned because they contain pictures of the Confederate flag?


Who are they burned by? Do the people that are burning them own them?
 
2012-12-18 11:44:09 PM

Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.


If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!
 
2012-12-18 11:54:16 PM

ifarkthereforiam: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!


Huh. Britian said the same thing about treason when we seceded from them.

But we kept their slave trade and put them to work.

Did I spoil your American apple pie?
 
2012-12-19 12:11:53 AM

UNC_Samurai: "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."


And that was before BET and Rapping was even invented.
 
2012-12-19 12:15:00 AM

WordsnCollision: Insatiable Jesus: Whine about your heritage all you like, you hateful hillbillies. Your heritage is one of using black people as farm equipment because you were too lazy to do your own work. Or is this about your military heritage? You mean like the time you geniuses decided to pick a fight with an industrialized neighbor while you only had 16 miles of railroad track of your own? That's almost as brilliant as showing up to war without shoes.

Your precious Southern Heritage is little more than a history of vicious hatefulness and ignorance. Piss on it.

Not to white-knight the "hateful and ignorant" Davis administration but it happened to include one Judah P. Benjamin, who was successively the Confederate Cabinet's attorney general, secretary of war, and secretary of state. Not bad for a Jew from Louisiana.

[www.rebelstatescurrency.com image 750x330]


Once again, it's all about the Benjamins. I bet Judah did this.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:06 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, when a symbol has been used for and associated with extremely negative things, for decades, then it's understandable that people will be uncomfortable seeing that symbol.


This guy feels your pain.

www.freewebs.com

/CSB: Knew his daughter who waitressed at a local restaurant. Not easy having artistic parents, it seems.
 
2012-12-19 12:25:58 AM

Valiente: Keizer_Ghidorah: Hey, when a symbol has been used for and associated with extremely negative things, for decades, then it's understandable that people will be uncomfortable seeing that symbol.

This guy feels your pain.

[www.freewebs.com image 404x525]

/CSB: Knew his daughter who waitressed at a local restaurant. Not easy having artistic parents, it seems.


What, no Autobot or Decepticon-style swastikas? Come on, dude, get imaginative.
 
2012-12-19 12:35:40 AM

detritus: ifarkthereforiam: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!

Huh. Britian said the same thing about treason when we seceded from them.

But we kept their slave trade and put them to work.

Did I spoil your American apple pie?


Yeah and then we fought an entire war over slave-owners hiding behind states rights in order to own human beings. Racist pricks (KKK) wave it proudly. Did I spoil your fantasy about the confederate flag just being some symbol of southern pride?
 
2012-12-19 12:39:57 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: Not sure why this just struck me as relevant... but I went to see "Lincoln" a few weeks ago... people kept walking out of the theater. I realized after about the 3rd or 4th group that they weren't coming back. Kept happening... every 5 or 10 minutes another couple/group would leave.

At the end of the movie, I realized that about 2/3 of the people had left.

WTF is up with that?!?!



Maybe they they were disappointed at the lack of vampires.
 
2012-12-19 12:51:55 AM
ifarkthereforiam

Smartest
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2012-12-19 12:35:40 AM
detritus: ifarkthereforiam: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!

Huh. Britian said the same thing about treason when we seceded from them.

But we kept their slave trade and put them to work.

Did I spoil your American apple pie?

Yeah and then we fought an entire war over slave-owners hiding behind states rights in order to own human beings. Racist pricks (KKK) wave it proudly. Did I spoil your fantasy about the confederate flag just being some symbol of southern pride?


It was state rights played out over the issue of slavery. The north says it was slavery in a vain attempt at claiming the moral high ground. Lincoln himself said he didn't give two farks about the negros. I'm sorry man but you are wrong
 
2012-12-19 01:21:27 AM

ifarkthereforiam: detritus: ifarkthereforiam: Darth_Lukecash: You know, the Germans had the decency to ban the Swatzika flag after WWII.

Slavery and treason are not honorable nor laudable.

If it hasn't been said yet...THIS!

Huh. Britian said the same thing about treason when we seceded from them.

But we kept their slave trade and put them to work.

Did I spoil your American apple pie?

Yeah and then we fought an entire war over slave-owners hiding behind states rights in order to own human beings. Racist pricks (KKK) wave it proudly. Did I spoil your fantasy about the confederate flag just being some symbol of southern pride?


I have sympathy for your indoctrinated public school education on this matter and it's not my desire or responsibility to educate you, but I'll leave you with these words of your tolerant emancipator:

"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races; I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."

-- Abraham Lincoln

P.S. If you're going to defend banning images of racism, we can start with Lincoln.
 
2012-12-19 01:44:18 AM
Detritus
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P.S. If you're going to defend banning images of racism, we can start with Lincoln.


Better idea, lets put him on Mt. Rushmore!
 
2012-12-19 02:06:46 AM

Gdalescrboz: Detritus
.
P.S. If you're going to defend banning images of racism, we can start with Lincoln.

Better idea, lets put him on Mt. Rushmore!


Oooh I know! The penny, the least valuable and most expensive to produce piece of of currency!
 
2012-12-19 11:37:24 AM
Gdalescrboz:  Where in the fark did I say it wasn't about slavery? Are you retarded?
 
I wasn't responding only to you. I was responding to all the "Northerners are rewriting history because they think the Civil War was mainly about slavery" statements. I'm very sorry to have confused you with the rest of them. Maybe you can help clear things up by explaining why you spend so much energy portraying Lincoln as someone who didn't give two farks about the blacks, if you agree that the Civil War was mainly about slavery?
 
Meanwhile, you've taken Lincoln's speech out of context.
Here's the part you mysteriously forgot about:
 
Douglas says: Lincoln wants to make blacks equal with whites in every way: in every single political and social venue, they will be equal to whites, if Lincoln has his way.
 
Lincoln: That's not true.
(Insert the part you quoted here where Lincoln says whites are superior)..
and then the part of that same speech you dishonestly left out: "Where Douglas and I differ is that I believe slavery is wrong."
 
2012-12-19 11:42:31 AM
Crap, I guess I am retarded. That was detritus misquoting Lincoln.
 
2012-12-19 01:22:35 PM
Did anyone point out that the flag in question is not the Confederate flag only a unit flag yet? God people are so stupid.
 
2012-12-19 09:11:05 PM

snowjack: Crap, I guess I am retarded. That was detritus misquoting Lincoln.


I misquoted Lincoln?

Read this: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5p-4_Morgan.html

It's well cited. Any way you cut it, Honest Abe was not an honest man. He may have been against slavery, but he was a racist, and had no problems throwing the law out the window.
Lincoln launched an invasion of the South without consulting Congress, as required by the Constitution, declared martial law, blockaded the Southern ports, suspended the writ of habeas corpus for the duration of his administration, imprisoned without trial thousands of Northern citizens, arrested and imprisoned newspaper publishers who were critical of him, censored all telegraph communication, ordered federal troops to interfere with the elections in the North by intimidating Democratic voters, deported a member of Congress, Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, for criticizing the administration's income tax proposal at a Democratic Party rally, confiscated private property, confiscated firearms in violation of the Second Amendment, and gutted the 9th and 10th Amendments to the Constitution. Not even George W. Bush was that evil; close, not not quite.
 
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