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(Philly.com)   The governor of Pennsylvania wants to take the state lottery and give it to a private company that hasn't bribed him in any way to influence his decision or anything   (philly.com) divider line 106
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2012-12-18 01:58:19 PM  
Corbett has said he is gauging whether to hand over day-to-day management in exchange for Camelot's guarantee of stable profits that, in theory, keep better pace with demand for programs that benefit the state's growing elderly population. Under the proposal, the state would remain in control of the lottery.

I wonder what the balance sheets look like. If the PA lottery makes $100k one week, $300k the next week, and $75k the third week, Camelot could guarantee $100k every week which is stable but not really good for the state.

It reeks to me too, subby.
 
2012-12-18 02:01:41 PM  
What an ass.
 
2012-12-18 02:09:08 PM  
Maybe playing the lottery should give you a chance of winning a free stay in a privately-operated prison as well.
 
2012-12-18 02:12:07 PM  
The only thing the PA lottery is suffering from is long lines of impoverished citizens throwing their money away. They need a CEO siphoning off millions of dollars from the proceeds like they need a hole in the head.
 
2012-12-18 02:25:31 PM  
Oh yeah, this is on the up and up.
 
2012-12-18 03:02:07 PM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

These guys look legit.
 
2012-12-18 03:08:35 PM  
The lottery is a massive money-maker for programs for old people -- it grew 11 percent over last year with profits up 7 percent and administrative costs are less than 1.5 percent of sales.

So, giving it to the Eurotrash -- who've already started a tax-avoidance "company" in Delaware to run the thing -- will SURELY lead to more money for the old folks. It's not all about millions in kickbacks and making sure Corbett has a nice golden parachute when he gets crushed in 2014.
 
2012-12-18 03:29:22 PM  
If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.
 
2012-12-18 03:55:07 PM  

Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.


Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.
 
2012-12-18 04:03:51 PM  
Privatize. It's what we used to call graft.
 
2012-12-18 04:04:00 PM  
Lemme guess the Governor of PA is a Republican.
 
2012-12-18 04:07:47 PM  
Y'know, when I first moved here I had never seen such a corrupt governor in all of my life. And THEN they put Corbett in office.

/at least Rendell didn't try to pretend he wasn't funneling everything he could to Philly
 
2012-12-18 04:09:13 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Lemme guess the Governor of PA is a Republican.


He is. Most moderate Republicans in PA hate that asshole too.

Some cool facts:

1) Very deep with the oil industry.
2) Looked the other way as the PA AG during the initial Sandusky investigation way back when.
3) He is sucking evangelical dicks like every other tea bagging sack of shiat in the state governments.
 
2012-12-18 04:09:35 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The lottery is a massive money-maker for programs for old people -- it grew 11 percent over last year with profits up 7 percent and administrative costs are less than 1.5 percent of sales.

So, giving it to the Eurotrash -- who've already started a tax-avoidance "company" in Delaware to run the thing -- will SURELY lead to more money for the old folks. It's not all about millions in kickbacks and making sure Corbett has a nice golden parachute when he gets crushed in 2014.

 
2012-12-18 04:10:01 PM  
To be fair, Corbett is partial to people who enjoy raping children, so raping seniors isn't a stretch.
 
2012-12-18 04:10:22 PM  

bluorangefyre: Y'know, when I first moved here I had never seen such a corrupt governor in all of my life. And THEN they put Corbett in office.

/at least Rendell didn't try to pretend he wasn't funneling everything he could to Philly


Why should it be funnelled to the highways to nowhere like outside of Altoona? Look, I don't think Philly should get everything, but you won't believe how f*cking screwed Southeastern PA was back 40 years ago.
 
2012-12-18 04:10:38 PM  
You should have a pretty good sense that, if a private company is dying to take management of a public function for some amount of money, the government is going to get the short end of the bargain.

This happens all the time. Privatize X for $100, pay or let private sector collect $1000 over the next 10 years for the privatized service. Time value of money, you just lost $600 of taxpayer value. Small government is winnar.
 
2012-12-18 04:10:49 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Lemme guess the Governor of PA is a Republican.


Yep.

When the Gov. of PA was a Democrat he tried to do the same thing, only with the toll roads.

IIRC, his pics to head the LCB and Lottery also got nailed with some chicanery too.

/how people think IL and NY have a monopoly on corrupt state government is amazing to me
 
2012-12-18 04:11:33 PM  

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

These guys look legit.


I was going to go with these guys:

i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 04:11:35 PM  

GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.


Whole lotta this! Your turnpike is garbage next to IL, Ohio, and even PA. And i didnt think anything could suck more than the PA Turnpike
 
2012-12-18 04:11:53 PM  
Thomas Kimmett, Corbett's former Senior Deputy Attorney General, sued Corbett and members of his executive team for covering up millions of dollars of fraud, corruption, and gross mismanagement in the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) of Pennsylvania.
 
2012-12-18 04:12:20 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Privatize. It's what we used to call graft.


The problem is that there is an ideology that believes Capitalism is somehow intrinsically morally good and that by privatizing something you always make it better. This ideology is easily taken advantage of by any group looking to commit graft and line their pockets with more money.

What I'm saying is that crazy libertarian Tea Partiers are a tool to hand the keys of the public treasury to big money Republicans.
 
2012-12-18 04:12:33 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out why people play the lottery?
 
2012-12-18 04:12:45 PM  

meathome: Insatiable Jesus: Lemme guess the Governor of PA is a Republican.

Yep.

When the Gov. of PA was a Democrat he tried to do the same thing, only with the toll roads.

IIRC, his pics to head the LCB and Lottery also got nailed with some chicanery too.

/how people think IL and NY have a monopoly on corrupt state government is amazing to me


Please add WI to that
 
2012-12-18 04:13:38 PM  

meathome: Insatiable Jesus: Lemme guess the Governor of PA is a Republican.

Yep.

When the Gov. of PA was a Democrat he tried to do the same thing, only with the toll roads.

IIRC, his pics to head the LCB and Lottery also got nailed with some chicanery too.

/how people think IL and NY have a monopoly on corrupt state government is amazing to me


They should have the honor of another PA state government official..... R. Budd Dwyer.

picture_of_r._budd_dwyer_blowing_his_head_off_which_can't_actually_be _ shown_on_fark.jpg

//except Budd was just the fall guy
 
2012-12-18 04:13:46 PM  
 
2012-12-18 04:14:54 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The lottery is a massive money-maker for programs for old people -- it grew 11 percent over last year with profits up 7 percent and administrative costs are less than 1.5 percent of sales.

So, giving it to the Eurotrash -- who've already started a tax-avoidance "company" in Delaware to run the thing -- will SURELY lead to more money for the old folks. It's not all about millions in kickbacks and making sure Corbett has a nice golden parachute when he gets crushed in 2014.


Hey, when you're a month away from having an attorney general and auditor general whose stated goal is to rip you a new one, you try to get as much stuff done as possible now.
 
2012-12-18 04:15:39 PM  
Flash ahead to 2014.....


Reporter: Gov. Tom Corbett's amazing run of luck continues. This is the 14th consecutive week that he has won the lottery.
 
2012-12-18 04:16:14 PM  
Sell them the lottery. Introduce your new gaming commission.Then legalize lotteries so that anyone can start one. Then introduce your new gaming tax.

/Wait two months between each step.
 
2012-12-18 04:22:19 PM  

GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.


I'm not for privatizing most government assets, but it is almost uniquely foolish that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has a monopoly on the retail sale of wine and spirits. Privatizing that is very different from privatizing a public utility like a toll road.
 
2012-12-18 04:23:35 PM  
20 year contract... wtf!
 
2012-12-18 04:29:14 PM  
"People have said, 'Why bother, no one cares, you'll look foolish. 60 Minutes, 20/20, the ACLU, Jack Anderson and others have been publicizing (Pennsylvania corruption) cases like yours for years and it doesn't bother anyone.'"

--from Budd Dwyer's final speech, 1987. Guess things don't change much in PA.

/Step back, this will hurt someone.
 
2012-12-18 04:29:26 PM  

coeyagi: bluorangefyre: Y'know, when I first moved here I had never seen such a corrupt governor in all of my life. And THEN they put Corbett in office.

/at least Rendell didn't try to pretend he wasn't funneling everything he could to Philly

Why should it be funnelled to the highways to nowhere like outside of Altoona? Look, I don't think Philly should get everything, but you won't believe how f*cking screwed Southeastern PA was back 40 years ago.


40? Try even just 25 or so. My brother worked for the Philly water department back when that idiot Wilson Goode was mayor. The city was bankrupt and he sometimes didn't a paycheck on time. Rendell turned that shiat around.
 
2012-12-18 04:29:42 PM  

GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.


That sounds as bad as the Chicago parking meter sale.
 
2012-12-18 04:33:25 PM  
But... He won election, that means you have to do what he wants. Elections have consequences.
 
2012-12-18 04:34:03 PM  

eagles95: Whole lotta this! Your turnpike is garbage next to IL, Ohio, and even PA. And i didnt think anything could suck more than the PA Turnpike


The PA turnpike has gotten a lot better recently. They've resurfaced most of the eastern end of it in the last couple years without impeding daytime traffic much. I know that's how roads are normally handled but for PennDot it seems like a goddamn miracle. I don't know what's gotten in to them.
 
2012-12-18 04:35:20 PM  
It's stories like these that remind me of the words of my grandfather: At least when the mob ran the numbers, you knew where the money was going.
 
2012-12-18 04:36:10 PM  
The company running the Texas Lotto for many years paid 3.5 cents for every ticket sold to former Texas governor Ben Barnes. He was no longer governor of Texas nor did he work for GTECH the company running the Texas lottery.

Why they paid him remains a mystery, but Harriet Myers was with drawn from Supreme Court nominee due to her dealings with the situation while she was on the Texas Lottery Commision.
 
2012-12-18 04:38:25 PM  

Gig103: Corbett has said he is gauging whether to hand over day-to-day management in exchange for Camelot's guarantee of stable profits that, in theory, keep better pace with demand for programs that benefit the state's growing elderly population. Under the proposal, the state would remain in control of the lottery.

I wonder what the balance sheets look like. If the PA lottery makes $100k one week, $300k the next week, and $75k the third week, Camelot could guarantee $100k every week which is stable but not really good for the state.

It reeks to me too, subby.


I really don't understand how all these so called 'fiscal conservatives' think its a good idea for the state or federal budgets to sell off IN USE state assets to private companies for a lump-sum payment to then rent them back.

How is a pay-day loan a GOOD idea for long term fiscal solvency? Non-ownership of vital real-estate? Increased middle men in your budget?

All of these things are generally frowned upon by successful large businesses - and private individuals - it's no better for government!
 
2012-12-18 04:39:07 PM  

HempHead: GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.

That sounds as bad as the Chicago parking meter sale.


Yep. A 75-year lease. Parking fees went up significantly. Nice going, Daley, you cocks*cker.
 
2012-12-18 04:43:39 PM  

randomjsa: But... He won election, that means you have to do what he wants. Elections have consequences.


Sure you've already left the thread, but the response has entirely been the result of him claiming the ability to make such a sale without the approval of the legislature despite nothing in the Lotto Act authorizing such a sale.

So your little Obama joke would make sense if Obama used that line to justify selling off a few national parks without getting Congressional approval.
 
2012-12-18 04:45:57 PM  

GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.


You've clearly never tried to buy beer and liquor in Pennsylvania.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:05 PM  

randomjsa: But... He won election, that means you have to do what he wants. Elections have consequences.


Was that a fiscal cliff joke? That was a fiscal cliff joke, wasn't it?

ahhh, I'm reminded of the most recent 'knock-knock' joke my 10 year old daughter told me...

/good times.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:46 PM  

coeyagi:

They should have the honor of another PA state government official..... R. Budd Dwyer.

picture_of_r._budd_dwyer_blowing_his_head_off_which_can't_actually_be _ shown_on_fark.jpg



You mean there's a picture just after he's holding the gun and pushing the camera guy away? I'm not sure I wanted to know that.
 
2012-12-18 04:50:34 PM  

dehehn: GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.

You've clearly never tried to buy beer and liquor in Pennsylvania.


No but I have bought hard alcohol in Alabama, which is state controlled. The experience is exactly the same as it is here with private sales.
 
2012-12-18 04:54:47 PM  
We should privatize the entire government while we're at it. This whole one man one vote thing isn't American enough for me. If you want more than one vote, you should be able to buy a controlling share in a multinational conglomerate that has a 100-year lease on running the country.
 
2012-12-18 04:56:15 PM  

theknuckler_33: randomjsa: But... He won election, that means you have to do what he wants. Elections have consequences.

Was that a fiscal cliff joke? That was a fiscal cliff joke, wasn't it?

ahhh, I'm reminded of the most recent 'knock-knock' joke my 10 year old daughter told me...

/good times.


Nope; it is what Obama said when Eric Cantor came to him right after taking office in 2009 to tell Obama his first order of business needed to be cutting taxes to stimulate the economy.

The fact that Obama claimed that Democrats winning the election meant they were in the driver's seat has since been the proof Republicans use to point out Obama has been just as partisan and unwilling to compromise as they have been the last few years.
 
2012-12-18 04:56:23 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: We should privatize the entire government while we're at it. This whole one man one vote thing isn't American enough for me. If you want more than one vote, you should be able to buy a controlling share in a multinational conglomerate that has a 100-year lease on running the country.


Also, women should not be able to vote. Been going downhill ever since.
 
2012-12-18 04:56:30 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: We should privatize the entire government while we're at it. This whole one man one vote thing isn't American enough for me. If you want more than one vote, you should be able to buy a controlling share in a multinational conglomerate that has a 100-year lease on running the country.


We are already a plutocracy, it is merely competing businesses that vie for power ever 2-4 years.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:16 PM  

dehehn: GAT_00: Actual Farking: If there's anything PA should privatize, it's the state stores. I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons not to have a private company run the lottery, but retail stores? Not so much.

Look at what's happened to Indiana's Toll Road before you think privatizing government products is a good thing. Tolls doubled within 5 years of privatizing it, and the money the state got for it is already gone.

You've clearly never tried to buy beer and liquor in Pennsylvania.


The punchline is Corbett's liquor plan does precisely dick for beer. Still gotta go to the separate beer distributor for a case. Oh, and if you live in Bumblefark County I hope you enjoy Colonel Sam Walton's Bourbon-Flavored Beverage, because they ain't stocking Maker's Mark.
 
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