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(Duluth News Tribune)   "Bringing a scaled-down version of Indiana's Gen Con convention to Duluth would only increase the amount of violence to which Duluth is exposed"   (duluthnewstribune.com) divider line 89
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2012-12-18 04:51:10 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Sherman Potter: As Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's studies prove, "Video games that require the player to shoot a gun and react reflexively with the shooting responses are teaching an entire generation of children to associate shooting killing with pleasure."

FTFY

/and he's right

You colonels sure stick together.


You win 1 internets from me.
 
2012-12-18 04:54:26 PM
TFA: "As Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's studies prove, "Video games that require the player to shoot a gun and react reflexively with the shooting responses are teaching an entire generation of children to associate shooting with pleasure.""

1. Prove?
2. Yeah. They're teaching a generation the joy of shooting demons, aliens and demon-aliens with laser guns and mind bullets. Watch out, Duluth!
 
2012-12-18 04:56:22 PM
Disgruntled Goat
Gen Con is not a video game con.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-18 05:03:08 PM
So in the "studies" one was published in a book whose title reveals its bias, and another says that gamers "might" identify with the main perpetrator (totally unbiased wording there) in a game.

That's some quality research there Lou.

But I suppose that violent games "could" be corrupting youth and making them dangerous and terrible citizens. Just like:

heavy metal music
violent movies
violent TV shows
Teletubbies/Barney
cartoons
rock music
television
swing music
radio
...

/I'm a gamer and maybe I'm getting old but I don't recognize those much anticipated, cutting edge games
//"quotes"
 
2012-12-18 05:03:15 PM
I'm not a gamer or whatever the heck that person was wigging out about but please, internet, shame that "communications major" mercilessly until they have absolutely NO chance of acquiring a job in journalism.

kthxbye
 
2012-12-18 05:07:25 PM
I'd laugh, but this is sad.

As I told my mother when she freaked out about my interest in Dungeons and Dragons back in my teens: "Mom, the person playing has a choice to do anything like rape, loot, and pillage with their character. Do you really think you raised your son do anything but save the day by being the hero?"
 
2012-12-18 05:11:14 PM
Ahh, back in the day, it was violent farking cartoons the Nannys wanted banned.
Do you know how many time Tom killed Jerry in a 30 minute show?
Not to mention El Kabong.
Well, 24 minutes, back then the ads only took up 6 min.

Good times.

/Crusader Rabbit FTW!
 
2012-12-18 05:13:56 PM
pmboberlin.net

//Oh and oblig
 
2012-12-18 05:15:27 PM
My son will play in a hockey tournament in Duluth in a couple months. Good thing there's no violence associated with hockey.
 
2012-12-18 05:30:53 PM
Damn

I hate sites with the stupid and no comment section where I can subtly explain to them their wrongness.
 
2012-12-18 05:42:37 PM

meat0918: [pmboberlin.net image 462x239]

//Oh and oblig


IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT BLACK LEAF IS DEAD!
 
2012-12-18 06:09:32 PM
I'll bet you that this mongoloid is going to be on somebodies school board twenty years from now.
 
2012-12-18 06:10:43 PM
I live in Duluth, this kind of uninformed idiocy is the norm around here

/which is why I don't talk to anybody.
 
2012-12-18 06:18:56 PM
In my playing days, I'd tell mundanes that I'd worshipped Satan long before I started playing D&D.

They'd seen Mazes & Monsters, though, and figured I was nuts. (Thanks a lot, Tom Hanks.)
 
2012-12-18 06:39:56 PM
i877.photobucket.com

This dude is sooo disapointed with this news
 
2012-12-18 07:25:11 PM
Let's face it, folks: there could be dancing next.
 
2012-12-18 07:40:59 PM
The author is ill informed. Gen Con is primarily a game convention for role-playing games, collectible card games, boardgames and miniature wargames. None of these are done in real time like video games. You have to use your brain, not reflexes. All of these require 1 or more human opponents.
 
2012-12-18 07:58:25 PM
LOL WHUT???

/go to gencon every year
//to pick up guys
///yeah, cosplayers and D & D addicts are REAL DANGEROUS >.
 
2012-12-18 08:18:37 PM
The study by Endestad and Torgersen (Link) states that there is no proven causality between violent games and behavior. Never mind that tabletop games are the focus of the con.

I grew up in Duluth. Jo strikes me as a backwater preacher of doom who is an insult to the otherwise cool people there. I gave $50 to the kickstarter, and I really hope a miracle happens and it reaches its goal.
 
Oak
2012-12-18 08:31:03 PM

ArkAngel: A club I belonged to in college (Parkside Association of Wargamers) used to help run GenCon when it was run in Wisconsin.


Thanks for that, man. I haven't attended a GenCon since it moved away from UW-Parkside, but during its run there, there were good times. Good times.
 
2012-12-18 08:39:31 PM

dorkymidgetqueen: LOL WHUT???

/go to gencon every year
//to pick up guys

 

...one of the good things about being a single gal there, the goods may be odd, but the odds are good.

/married lady who attends gencon
//did not get my odd goods there
 
2012-12-18 08:46:45 PM
Well... that was an embarrassing read. Besides the ignorance, the writing is for shiat.

Anyhoo... Try this bit (FTA) in Tracy Flicks voice.

4.bp.blogspot.com

If playing video games really leads to aggressive behavior, I sure wouldn't want to welcome that into Duluth, despite the prospective economic benefits.

Indiana can keep the Gen Con convention and the violence associated with video games, and we'll stick to Bentleyville's Tour of Lights.
 

Thank you, Tracy, for that informative presentation.
 
2012-12-18 09:12:35 PM
Google "riot football". Note what the first result page looks like -- lots of videos of actual, violent, riots.

Google "riot GenCon". Note what the first result page looks like -- "This game was a riot", "So-and-so gave a presentation, she was a riot", etc.

Now, I'm preaching to the choir, here, but the moronic paper requires you to jump through fifty hoops to register so you can tell the moronic paper that the moronic writer they allowed to post an article on their site is a moron, and that's too much trouble for me. I wonder if Stephen Colbert knows about this?
 
2012-12-18 09:37:07 PM
They need to bring it back to Milwaukee, where it belongs.
 
2012-12-18 09:38:52 PM

dorkymidgetqueen: LOL WHUT???

/go to gencon every year
//to pick up guys


How YOU doin'? Every woman I see there seems to be with their husband/boyfriend, or she's part of a group. I'm not there to specifically meet people, but having to glom onto games gets old after a while.
 
2012-12-18 09:55:51 PM

douchebag/hater: They need to bring it back to Milwaukee, where it belongs.


The problem is, the hotel situation in Milwaukee still sucks - at least for the kind of hotel rooms you'd want to sell for a convention like this. The more immediate problem is there's no way Gen Con would fit in the Delta Center anymore. It would have to shrink by something like 20% to do so.
And I say this as someone who lives in Milwaukee and loved driving ten minutes to the convention. And people I bump into in Indy who remember the Milwaukee days all agree that there's more character here. But it's simply bigger than the city can support at this point.
 
2012-12-18 10:31:49 PM
As the guy who brings the only video game to GenCon year after year, this makes me giggle.

getinthepods.com

I bring the BattleTech cockpits where you get to simulate driving a 30 foot tall walking tank to blow up other 30 foot tall walking tanks.

As we were once owned by Disney family members, I assure you that there is no blood or images of humans related gore in the BattleTech: Firestorm product.

When the 'Mech blows up, you are ejected and translocated into another 'Mech. Rinse, repeat.

This article has to be a joke.

Please let it be a joke.
 
2012-12-19 12:28:16 AM
Such unbelievable stupid.

PropWashFarkingAround: As the guy who brings the only video game to GenCon year after year, this makes me giggle.

[getinthepods.com image 301x400]

I bring the BattleTech cockpits where you get to simulate driving a 30 foot tall walking tank to blow up other 30 foot tall walking tanks.


BattleTech: So much fun. Article: So much stupid.
 
2012-12-19 03:24:47 AM

Gunthersan: The study by Endestad and Torgersen (Link) states that there is no proven causality between violent games and behavior. Never mind that tabletop games are the focus of the con.

I grew up in Duluth. Jo strikes me as a backwater preacher of doom who is an insult to the otherwise cool people there. I gave $50 to the kickstarter, and I really hope a miracle happens and it reaches its goal.


Now witness the firepower of this armed and operational gaming convention!

/More into Dragon*Con, but GenCon has history
 
2012-12-19 06:02:22 AM
Can we get the (shorter) list of things you could bring to Duluth <i>without</i> increasing the violence?
 
2012-12-19 07:44:22 AM
But the Guns and Rifle swap meet is still on,eh?
 
2012-12-19 09:45:27 AM

PropWashFarkingAround: As the guy who brings the only video game to GenCon year after year, this makes me giggle..


Man, they let anyone hang around this place...
 
2012-12-19 09:53:29 AM

taliesinwi: douchebag/hater: They need to bring it back to Milwaukee, where it belongs.

The problem is, the hotel situation in Milwaukee still sucks - at least for the kind of hotel rooms you'd want to sell for a convention like this. The more immediate problem is there's no way Gen Con would fit in the Delta Center anymore. It would have to shrink by something like 20% to do so.
And I say this as someone who lives in Milwaukee and loved driving ten minutes to the convention. And people I bump into in Indy who remember the Milwaukee days all agree that there's more character here. But it's simply bigger than the city can support at this point.


Shoop Da Whoop MKE Farker!! Get rid of the Bucks, turn the BC into a laser tag/paintball course.
 
2012-12-19 10:49:38 AM

grokca: But the Guns and Rifle swap meet is still on,eh?


Apparently it just ended. I wonder if they sold loopholes at the gun show. I hear they're popular.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:39 PM

Mr. Eugenides: grokca: But the Guns and Rifle swap meet is still on,eh?

Apparently it just ended. I wonder if they sold loopholes at the gun show. I hear they're popular.



Naww, they sold out the entire run in Texas.
I have a few Antique Loopholes I would consider selling.
I'll just ask my buddy to stop by and appraise them.
 
2012-12-19 12:20:32 PM
Hey guys - Berserkon organizer Kevin Mickelson here. Please please PLEASE do not take this person's opinion as indicative of the popular view. Everyone we've spoken to or heard from up until yesterday has been really excited and supportive of a gaming con in Duluth. I'm not sure what Jo's problem is, but she obviously didn't even read the Kickstarter page before firing off a response to the opinion piece I wrote in (the Dec 4 article referenced).

She wrote (poorly) in to the paper with the idea that she could convince people a convention like this would be bad for the community, but I'm much more concerned that she might have convinced those who might otherwise be interested that this is a bad community for a convention like this.

So, yeah. Every village has an idiot, and while I don't claim for a second that she's our one and only, she and any like her are still the exceptions to the rule.
 
2012-12-19 01:41:08 PM

KipsterMick: Hey guys - Berserkon organizer Kevin Mickelson here. Please please PLEASE do not take this person's opinion as indicative of the popular view. Everyone we've spoken to or heard from up until yesterday has been really excited and supportive of a gaming con in Duluth. I'm not sure what Jo's problem is, but she obviously didn't even read the Kickstarter page before firing off a response to the opinion piece I wrote in (the Dec 4 article referenced).

 
She wrote (poorly) in to the paper with the idea that she could convince people a convention like this would be bad for the community, but I'm much more concerned that she might have convinced those who might otherwise be interested that this is a bad community for a convention like this.
 
So, yeah. Every village has an idiot, and while I don't claim for a second that she's our one and only, she and any like her are still the exceptions to the rule.
 
 
Best of luck with the project Mick! As I stated above, if Mr. Gygax were still with us, he would be in your corner.
 
2012-12-19 04:11:29 PM
For the record, it's not Duluth that doesn't want a gaming convention, it's one communications major who coudn't take the time to do five minutes of reasearch on what they're biatching about.

Duluth DOES appreciate gaming and wants a gaming convention! (and as an aside, knows what the hell they're talking about when they mention RPG gaming and video gaming).

Check out:

the Berserkon Kickstarter: Linkand the responses of the locals: Link

The city of Duluth is VERY friendly to gaming and nerd culture in general. We also apparently have college students who fail at the "research" portion of their editorial writing... (sigh).
 
2012-12-19 08:14:52 PM
Tbis guy is either trollin like a boss or really sadly delusional.
 
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