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(Huffington Post Canada)   Dear Media, Adam Lanza was not one of us. Sincerely, The Goths   (huffingtonpost.ca) divider line 248
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2012-12-18 04:25:02 PM

my herniated disc: Cerebral Knievel: Gunderson: A) Goths don't shoot up schools, they kill Colonels as a couple.

B) Did anyone ask Bela Lugosi his take on this matter?

They tried, but Bela Lugosi is dead.

undead undead undead


The bats have left the bell tower, the victims have been bled.
 
2012-12-18 04:25:40 PM
Does this mean I have to cut off my Schwabian knot?
 
2012-12-18 04:26:25 PM

Slowdog: meat0918: Glitchwerks: ShawnDoc: Because as we all know, goth's usually carry a briefcase to school and dress in khaki's and button up shirts, often with a pocket protector. Its the defining goth look.

Clearly he was dressing in an ironic fashion, so he must be a hipster!

We need to start rounding up all the hipsters then.

Hipsters carry axes and crossbows, because guns are too mainstream.


I carry a guisarme. It's pretty obscure, you've probably never heard of it.

/this just in, Bela Lugosi is still dead.


Is Boris Karloff a suspect?
 
2012-12-18 04:27:53 PM

FauxReal: Princess Ryans Knickers: But he was an NRA member like his mum and a registered Republican

You should go over to FOX Nation and tell them that. I immediately went there after the shooting went down because I dunno. I like seeing their seething hate. Lots of people in there were claiming that he and his mom were liberals and that their weak minds led him to commit the crime.

It's quite the right vs. left full froth word brawl over there.


All mass murderers, like all dictators, are Libbylib Demnocrat Libbocreeps. Study it out.
 
2012-12-18 04:45:51 PM

Foxxinnia: What is it that connects all these spree shooters? Is it violent video games? A lack of morality? A poor upbringing? Mental illness? Or is it that they all have guns? In fact, over the course of my research, it turns out that 100% of spree shootings are caused by people who have guns. Truly a shocking revelation.


You're on to something.

Now that I think about it, 100% of people who have flown airplanes into World Trade Centers are Arabic. Lets lock up all the Arabs so this never happens again, because abandoning constitutional amendments based on isolated events and not on principles that made this country is a great idea.
 
2012-12-18 04:58:59 PM
It turns out, the latest on Lanza was that he was a vegan.

I knew all along, snortin' Brussels sprouts wasn't good for ya.
 
2012-12-18 05:07:01 PM

Gunderson: A) Goths don't shoot up schools, they kill Colonels as a couple.

B) Did anyone ask Bela Lugosi his take on this matter?


He's dead
 
2012-12-18 05:18:11 PM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Am I... Dead?
 
2012-12-18 05:20:48 PM

FauxReal: Princess Ryans Knickers: But he was an NRA member like his mum and a registered Republican

You should go over to FOX Nation and tell them that. I immediately went there after the shooting went down because I dunno. I like seeing their seething hate. Lots of people in there were claiming that he and his mom were liberals and that their weak minds led him to commit the crime.

It's quite the right vs. left full froth word brawl over there.



Yeah, it's not like the nonpartisan think-tank we call FARK.
 
2012-12-18 05:26:39 PM

Rent Party: Smeggy Smurf: Rent Party: Smeggy Smurf: Rent Party: He was an asshole, raised by assholes.

As a self-appointed spokesman for assholes, don't lump us in with this wanker. We're assholes, not babykillers

Apologies to assholes everywhere if my words offended them.

Now you've done it. Apologizing? Nothing offends me more than trying to not offend me. Be an asshole, it means you never have to apologize

Let me re-phrase my non-apology apology, you asshole.

"I'm sorry if people were offended."

Geeze. I gotta do everything for you guys.


well, he IS an asshole
 
2012-12-18 05:33:34 PM
The universal law of the USA is that no matter how much of a complete psychotic nutcase a kid turns out to be, we must never, under any circumstances, admit that that the parents of said psychopath has anything to do with their defective upbringing. Instead we must always find something else to blame instead, no matter how implausible or flimsy.

That making all parents into sacred cows who's ability to actually be functional parents can never be questioned reflects an even deeper flaw in our society, but that's another story.
 
2012-12-18 05:35:42 PM
I didn't dress the part, but the goths were the clique that I got along with the best in high school.
I'm a bit defensive about them, they're cool people.

That being said, this article writer is just odd. I haven't heard anyone of substance say anything about him being goth. More people are now aware that he may be goth because of her article.


/goth, scene, and emo chicks are hot
 
2012-12-18 05:37:49 PM

Slowdog: meat0918: Glitchwerks: ShawnDoc: Because as we all know, goth's usually carry a briefcase to school and dress in khaki's and button up shirts, often with a pocket protector. Its the defining goth look.

Clearly he was dressing in an ironic fashion, so he must be a hipster!

We need to start rounding up all the hipsters then.

Hipsters carry axes and crossbows, because guns are too mainstream.


I carry a guisarme. It's pretty obscure, you've probably never heard of it.

/this just in, Bela Lugosi is still dead.


That's not obscure.

If you've played an RPG in the last 20 years, you've seen at least one.

I went to find a really obscure weapon, and discovered people really did make swords and daggers with guns in them, AKA, the gunblade.
 
2012-12-18 05:48:17 PM

alcoda: Gunderson: A) Goths don't shoot up schools, they kill Colonels as a couple.

B) Did anyone ask Bela Lugosi his take on this matter?

He's dead


How do you know? Did you stake out his gravesite?
 
2012-12-18 05:55:36 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 06:01:43 PM
For those who are railing about hearing nothing being said about the shooter being goth: a simple google search will show you a bunch of news headllines and quotes calling him goth.
Search engines are your friend.
 
2012-12-18 06:03:06 PM

madpiper: For those who are railing about hearing nothing being said about the shooter being goth: a simple google search will show you a bunch of news headllines and quotes calling him goth.
Search engines are your friend.


If you have to search for it, then is it really 'news'?
 
2012-12-18 06:08:25 PM

madpiper: For those who are railing about hearing nothing being said about the shooter being goth: a simple google search will show you a bunch of news headllines and quotes calling him goth.
Search engines are your friend.


There are a bunch of links in the article, too.
 
2012-12-18 06:22:49 PM

CapeFearCadaver: madpiper: For those who are railing about hearing nothing being said about the shooter being goth: a simple google search will show you a bunch of news headllines and quotes calling him goth.
Search engines are your friend.

If you have to search for it, then is it really 'news'?


Since it was a headline in The Daily Mail, The Mirror, The National Ledger, The Daily Telegraph, all news outlets with readership in the millions then, yeah, I'd call it news. If you don't pay attention to such things doesn't mean it's not newsworthy.
 
2012-12-18 06:27:12 PM

madpiper: If you don't pay attention to such things


You're right, I don't pay attention to tabloids that espouse such stories as a housewife's alien husband.
 
2012-12-18 06:45:10 PM
It's going to be hard to find something in this tragedy that I care less about than whether or not the perpetrator is considered a "goth". 

Kudos, Liiiisa.
 
2012-12-18 06:49:12 PM

RoboZombie: "Richmond's out of his room...he's supposed to be in his room...why is he out of his room...?"
[26.media.tumblr.com image 400x220]


Until he got scurvy and died.
 
2012-12-18 06:59:34 PM

CapeFearCadaver: xanadian: CapeFearCadaver: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x664]

That's goth? That's ....actually kind of sharp.

It was when I was in HS.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 469x700]


yep....that was how I dressed too
 
2012-12-18 07:02:22 PM
crujonessociety.com
 
2012-12-18 07:10:21 PM
More punditry RE: Geekery, amoks, and Newtown

Inevitable after any American massacre committed by a white youth is the inevitable effort to postulate the killer as a goth, a nerd, and an enthusiast of video games. It is a consistently false canard, but a myth that is endlessly and enthusiastically recycled.

As a standard part of our society's ritualistic rhetorical masturbation after a mass shooting, the named parties must now go out and declare: "he wasn't one of us'.

Speaking as an incompetent goth, an avid RPG player and LARPer, and one who has spent far far too much of his life pressing buttons, you know what I think?

I wish that Adam Lanza was a goth, and a Cammie, and a big nerdy RPG player who went to every con. And that his mother was too.

Having a social network certainly would help- a peer group. Knock geek culture all you want, but we are ultimately a social function even for the socially dysfunctional. The obsessive, the autistic, the callous, the clueless- all are welcome, at least for one gaming session. Tolerance of psychological and social shortcomings is one of the biggest virtues (and vices) of geekdom. Who are we to judge? People who live in wood houses shouldn't throw fireballs. Social belonging and cultural affiliation could have mitigated the psychosis of Mr. Lanza.

Even discarding the rosy idealism of 'love and tolerance', I'd still want Lanza to have been a big fat nerd. Because he'd be too busy buying M:TG booster packs, or collectible action figures, or reading Battlestar Galactica fan fictions. Something. Even if he was one of the crazier and more dubious extreme outcast fringes of the SCA, he'd be stocking up on chain mail and katanas, rather than semi-auto firearms.

Having an outlet like LARPing or Goth culture or role-playing games may not have made Adam Lanza a better person, or a more likable or more humane individual. But it would have made him a more harmless individual.

Because geekery ain't cheap. Whether it's custom clothes for cosplay or mercy or just attending events, you run up a tab and fast. And there's a significant time cost for such hobbies- which is time away from the gun range.

As a hypothetical example, were I, say, to make my crit fumble on a D20 and become infused with the dark spirit of Demogorgon- as is supposed to happen when you play Dungeons and Dragons- my subsequent rampage would be more hilarious than horrific. I'm sure many bruises would ensue as I hurled my collected hardback core books at people. Those plastic miniatures could make nasty caltrops.

I wish Lanza had a circle of friends, even if, as would likely be the case, he would be the lowest omega of his little geeky clique. I wish that he had passion, identity, heck, just a mere attachment to his Gundam models might have sufficed. I wish he had some obsessive outlet for his madness, be it Bronydom or Trekdom or endless trolling. I wish that years of fandom had made him less of a danger, diverted him from the combination of isolation and enablement which allowed him to become the pathetic monster that he was.

We're supposed to deny the affiliation of this latest young man to suffer from the mental illness first diagnosed by the Malayans, which is known as amok.


Adam Lanza was not a goth, or a metal head, or a gamer or a nerd or anything else.

But maybe he should have been.
 
2012-12-18 07:33:47 PM

St_Francis_P: The My Little Pony Killer: People still define other groups as "goth" or "jock" after they graduate high school?

Yeah, lots of middle-aged sorts still go to goth clubs etc. For one thing, if you're atheist or pagan etc., it's one place no one will look at you funny. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some mindless reporters thought he was somehow goth.


Wait... you're comparing an atheist to a goth?!? You think a typical atheist looks funny? How so?
 
2012-12-18 07:49:49 PM

Le Roi en Jaune: More punditry RE: Geekery, amoks, and Newtown

Inevitable after any American massacre committed by a white youth is the inevitable effort to postulate the killer as a goth, a nerd, and an enthusiast of video games. It is a consistently false canard, but a myth that is endlessly and enthusiastically recycled.

As a standard part of our society's ritualistic rhetorical masturbation after a mass shooting, the named parties must now go out and declare: "he wasn't one of us'.

Speaking as an incompetent goth, an avid RPG player and LARPer, and one who has spent far far too much of his life pressing buttons, you know what I think?

I wish that Adam Lanza was a goth, and a Cammie, and a big nerdy RPG player who went to every con. And that his mother was too.

Having a social network certainly would help- a peer group. Knock geek culture all you want, but we are ultimately a social function even for the socially dysfunctional. The obsessive, the autistic, the callous, the clueless- all are welcome, at least for one gaming session. Tolerance of psychological and social shortcomings is one of the biggest virtues (and vices) of geekdom. Who are we to judge? People who live in wood houses shouldn't throw fireballs. Social belonging and cultural affiliation could have mitigated the psychosis of Mr. Lanza.

Even discarding the rosy idealism of 'love and tolerance', I'd still want Lanza to have been a big fat nerd. Because he'd be too busy buying M:TG booster packs, or collectible action figures, or reading Battlestar Galactica fan fictions. Something. Even if he was one of the crazier and more dubious extreme outcast fringes of the SCA, he'd be stocking up on chain mail and katanas, rather than semi-auto firearms.

Having an outlet like LARPing or Goth culture or role-playing games may not have made Adam Lanza a better person, or a more likable or more humane individual. But it would have made him a more harmless individual.

Because geekery ain't cheap. Whether it's ...


Too bad the most insightful comment in the thread came as it was dying
 
2012-12-18 08:13:18 PM
So they get to define someone as not one of them because he did a bad thing? That's not Orwellian.
 
2012-12-18 08:14:01 PM
Next thing you know the Confederation of Thin will be disowning him
 
2012-12-18 08:33:46 PM

Le Roi en Jaune: More punditry RE: Geekery, amoks, and Newtown

Inevitable after any American massacre committed by a white youth is the inevitable effort to postulate the killer as a goth, a nerd, and an enthusiast of video games. It is a consistently false canard, but a myth that is endlessly and enthusiastically recycled.

As a standard part of our society's ritualistic rhetorical masturbation after a mass shooting, the named parties must now go out and declare: "he wasn't one of us'.

Speaking as an incompetent goth, an avid RPG player and LARPer, and one who has spent far far too much of his life pressing buttons, you know what I think?

I wish that Adam Lanza was a goth, and a Cammie, and a big nerdy RPG player who went to every con. And that his mother was too.

Having a social network certainly would help- a peer group. Knock geek culture all you want, but we are ultimately a social function even for the socially dysfunctional. The obsessive, the autistic, the callous, the clueless- all are welcome, at least for one gaming session. Tolerance of psychological and social shortcomings is one of the biggest virtues (and vices) of geekdom. Who are we to judge? People who live in wood houses shouldn't throw fireballs. Social belonging and cultural affiliation could have mitigated the psychosis of Mr. Lanza.

Even discarding the rosy idealism of 'love and tolerance', I'd still want Lanza to have been a big fat nerd. Because he'd be too busy buying M:TG booster packs, or collectible action figures, or reading Battlestar Galactica fan fictions. Something. Even if he was one of the crazier and more dubious extreme outcast fringes of the SCA, he'd be stocking up on chain mail and katanas, rather than semi-auto firearms.

Having an outlet like LARPing or Goth culture or role-playing games may not have made Adam Lanza a better person, or a more likable or more humane individual. But it would have made him a more harmless individual.

Because geekery ain't cheap. Whether it's ...


Nah, he was simply a POS kid who knew right from wrong but wanted the fame/notoriety that came along with angst-fueled mass murder. And he got what he wanted. Who's the next angst-ridden d-bag and how many innocents is he going to mow down so he too can be the most talked about news item?
 
2012-12-18 08:35:28 PM
Sad, the girl who wrote this thinks you can sum up a goth like that? Goths are more than just that, and some aren't that at all. Hell, I'm 39 years old, blond, not depressed at all, and am a successful professional. I'm a goth among other things. I don't play dress up (except for special occasions) and I listen to all kinds of music. I just happen to like that kind too. I moved past my angst-y pro-death poems when I was 15 years old and I'm not obsessed with things of that nature. One of my favorite goth bands plays very inspirational and uplifting music (not to be confused with religious). I guess everyone has to put a tidy label on everything to fit the stupid stereotype. Unfortunately, in the small goth community around here, there are the pathetic crybaby types. But I grew up in a time (and harken back to) when the music was phenomenal. Now if I enjoy that genre, I usually listen to the German stuff; it's just better.

Anyway, disorganized rant. Still no homicidal or suicidal urges.
 
2012-12-18 09:12:40 PM
lolpics.se
 
2012-12-18 09:29:56 PM

St_Francis_P: Yeah, lots of middle-aged sorts still go to goth clubs etc. For one thing, if you're atheist or pagan etc.,


Don't group atheists in with pagans, to an athiest pagans are just as pathetic and silly as Christians.. and usually fatter.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:35 PM
www.deviantart.com
 
2012-12-18 10:06:22 PM

cretinbob: [crujonessociety.com image 640x512]


More Juggalettes, the female counterpart to the Juggalo. Not goths.
 
2012-12-18 10:09:59 PM

Jixa: [www.deviantart.com image 850x495]


Wow that's really good. Yeah, in my gothier days, that's basically what it was, dressing in nice black clothes and listening to synth music in minor keys. Then you get older (and fatter) and buy nice dark suits with dark shirts and jewel ties or jewel shirts and dark ties...

For me, involvement in the NYC and Newark NJ goth scene was the first time that I felt comfortable in a group of people that I wasn't already friends with. Even though I am a gun owner, it never occurred to me (prior to Columbine) that goths would be somehow violent.
 
2012-12-18 10:15:43 PM

CapeFearCadaver: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x664]


Whatever happened to Propaganda Magazine, anyway? I used to flip through that at Tower Books all the time when I was younger (and when Tower was still in business, obviously.)
 
2012-12-18 10:50:05 PM
ftfa: You see, shiatty sensationalist journalism doesn't just doesn't just make for First World Goth Problems™ like arguing with your parents that wearing black nail polish doesn't make you a Satan worshipper, or getting turned down for a job because the HR person secretly suspects you may be a psychopath.

Is it also like how a botched jumble of comparisons "doesn't just doesn't just" make my head hurt?
 
2012-12-18 11:20:03 PM

Le Roi en Jaune: More punditry RE: Geekery, amoks, and Newtown

Inevitable after any American massacre committed by a white youth is the inevitable effort to postulate the killer as a goth, a nerd, and an enthusiast of video games. It is a consistently false canard, but a myth that is endlessly and enthusiastically recycled.

As a standard part of our society's ritualistic rhetorical masturbation after a mass shooting, the named parties must now go out and declare: "he wasn't one of us'.

Speaking as an incompetent goth, an avid RPG player and LARPer, and one who has spent far far too much of his life pressing buttons, you know what I think?

I wish that Adam Lanza was a goth, and a Cammie, and a big nerdy RPG player who went to every con. And that his mother was too.

Having a social network certainly would help- a peer group. Knock geek culture all you want, but we are ultimately a social function even for the socially dysfunctional. The obsessive, the autistic, the callous, the clueless- all are welcome, at least for one gaming session. Tolerance of psychological and social shortcomings is one of the biggest virtues (and vices) of geekdom. Who are we to judge? People who live in wood houses shouldn't throw fireballs. Social belonging and cultural affiliation could have mitigated the psychosis of Mr. Lanza.

Even discarding the rosy idealism of 'love and tolerance', I'd still want Lanza to have been a big fat nerd. Because he'd be too busy buying M:TG booster packs, or collectible action figures, or reading Battlestar Galactica fan fictions. Something. Even if he was one of the crazier and more dubious extreme outcast fringes of the SCA, he'd be stocking up on chain mail and katanas, rather than semi-auto firearms.

Having an outlet like LARPing or Goth culture or role-playing games may not have made Adam Lanza a better person, or a more likable or more humane individual. But it would have made him a more harmless individual.

Because geekery ain't cheap. Whether it's ...

Winnar winnar chicken dinnar!
 
2012-12-19 12:10:33 AM
I used to be a goth, but after Goth-to-Boss I'm now a successful member of the community.
 
2012-12-19 01:11:06 AM
Has anyone labeled him an Aspie yet?
 
2012-12-19 01:29:32 AM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: I used to be a goth, but after Goth-to-Boss I'm now a successful member of the community.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-19 06:35:18 AM

Le Roi en Jaune: More punditry RE: Geekery, amoks, and Newtown

Inevitable after any American massacre committed by a white youth is the inevitable effort to postulate the killer as a goth, a nerd, and an enthusiast of video games. It is a consistently false canard, but a myth that is endlessly and enthusiastically recycled.

As a standard part of our society's ritualistic rhetorical masturbation after a mass shooting, the named parties must now go out and declare: "he wasn't one of us'.

Speaking as an incompetent goth, an avid RPG player and LARPer, and one who has spent far far too much of his life pressing buttons, you know what I think?

I wish that Adam Lanza was a goth, and a Cammie, and a big nerdy RPG player who went to every con. And that his mother was too.

Having a social network certainly would help- a peer group. Knock geek culture all you want, but we are ultimately a social function even for the socially dysfunctional. The obsessive, the autistic, the callous, the clueless- all are welcome, at least for one gaming session. Tolerance of psychological and social shortcomings is one of the biggest virtues (and vices) of geekdom. Who are we to judge? People who live in wood houses shouldn't throw fireballs. Social belonging and cultural affiliation could have mitigated the psychosis of Mr. Lanza.


This is insightful commentary, but it kinda ignores that Lanza apparently had issues that would have left him incompatible with pretty much any social setting.

It doesn't surprise me he stuck so close to his mother. And I wouldn't be shocked if it was found that murdering her was as much an act of mercy in his mind as it was hatred. Such tends to be the odd cocktail of emotion between co-dependent family members. And the dynamic. The two tend to become a closed circuit, and endless feedback loop.

I don't believe in predestination, but I would say that- more than anything else- Lanza's mother could have made the difference here, and her identity as a "crazy doomsday-prepper" was what sealed this matter. It would be nice to imagine Adam Lanza having another place to go, but I'm betting that his own deep-seated issues, coupled with his mother's, would have precluded all notions of a social life outside that circuit.
 
2012-12-19 08:48:09 AM
This thread is relevant to my interests. Also, perilsensitive is awesome.
 
2012-12-19 09:36:43 AM

SkunkWerks: I don't believe in predestination, but I would say that- more than anything else- Lanza's mother could have made the difference here, and her identity as a "crazy doomsday-prepper" was what sealed this matter. It would be nice to imagine Adam Lanza having another place to go, but I'm betting that his own deep-seated issues, coupled with his mother's, would have precluded all notions of a social life outside that circuit.


She had another son, who hasn't shot up anything yet.

/throw him in jail on suspicion of pre-crime
//maybe single mothers are to blame, because blaming criminals isn't "social justice"
 
2012-12-19 02:00:00 PM

Nurglitch: This thread is relevant to my interests. Also, perilsensitive is awesome.


*high five*
 
2012-12-19 04:38:47 PM

Cerebral Knievel: fireclown: WarszawaScream: Why the heck does everyone always assume that every troubled, angsty teenager is a goth kid? Cripes sakes the rest of us goths would beat this kid up and take his lunch money.

Goth has become a kind of shortcut term for depressed kid.

I was hoenstly hoping to get more remarks about my idea for rubber chicken based goth art, but what the hell right.

But per comment. Generational generalising.

The folks my age, when teenagers are now breeding, and have been breeding for a while now. When we were growing up, "goth" was the term for used for the brooding weirdo kid who wore dark colors and vampire make up. It's only natural for them to transpose the term to newer generations, even if the term doesn't fit the new trend. Its the term that best fits tye users frame of refrence.



It just makes no sense to me, "goth" is still an active scene and lumping people into it like that is just... whargarbl makes my head hurt. 
 
2012-12-19 05:26:13 PM

WarszawaScream: Cerebral Knievel: fireclown: WarszawaScream: Why the heck does everyone always assume that every troubled, angsty teenager is a goth kid? Cripes sakes the rest of us goths would beat this kid up and take his lunch money.

Goth has become a kind of shortcut term for depressed kid.

I was hoenstly hoping to get more remarks about my idea for rubber chicken based goth art, but what the hell right.

But per comment. Generational generalising.

The folks my age, when teenagers are now breeding, and have been breeding for a while now. When we were growing up, "goth" was the term for used for the brooding weirdo kid who wore dark colors and vampire make up. It's only natural for them to transpose the term to newer generations, even if the term doesn't fit the new trend. Its the term that best fits tye users frame of refrence.


It just makes no sense to me, "goth" is still an active scene and lumping people into it like that is just... whargarbl makes my head hurt.


I understand your frustration, But I'm talking about people who don't know about "scenes" just labels. tribel affiliations and all that Jazz.

Hell, I was "labeled" a goth back in high school.. I was just into Alice Cooper about 20 years after any one my age should've been and wasn't into Marlyn Manson that much because I thought the dude was ripping off.. the COOP!

The point of my statement, and I hope to make it a little clearer, now that I'm typing it out on the laptop instead of the phone, is that, in my mid to late 30's, Im part of the peer group that is the majority of the... breeders, if you will. many of my friends have children ranging from new born to late teenager. These parents nowadays, have that term "goth" for the dark, broody teenagers and what have you. it was the term that was used in their social circles back then, and it's the one they transpose to the new crop of teenagers that act the same way back when they were kids. Doesn't matter if the kid may now self identify as "emo", for this parental age peer group, "Emo" is just the "New Goth" as every generation wants to make their own labels for themselves

Yes, the Goth scene is still very much active, and it tends to be populated by those that were goths when they were teenagers, with kids of their own, who may, or may not have taken ques from their parents and have become Emo as a result, their parents listened to industrial, they listen to dub step

ya dig?
 
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