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2012-12-18 02:01:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: nmrsnr: Dr Dreidel: // but only one of them

Is that because the other is infected with shards from the troll mirror, or because only one eye has troll splinters in it?

/didn't know which reference was more obscure, so I made both.

But the important thing is that I got neither of them.


The troll mirror is from Hans Christian Andersen's The Snow Queen which makes everything ugly, and the splinters in the eye I know about from d'Aulaire's Trolls which says that trolls see themselves as beautiful because their eyes are full of splinters. 

but not even a troll's eye could make last night's game pretty.

/whew, had to tie it back to football somehow.
 
2012-12-18 02:02:29 PM

elguerodiablo: seumasokelly: elguerodiablo: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here's hoping Seattle will score 50 points against SF this week.

/knowing that SF will score 51 if that happens

I fricking hate Carroll, the fake punt while up 30 is some bushleague douchey bullshine, and the Trashducks defense putting up 55 fantasy points over the past 2 weeks killed my best 2 fantasy teams but for some insane reason I find myself hoping Seattle wins on Sunday night.

This ain't little league. When you're up 30 in the 4th quarter, you've been gifted an extra practice against live dummies - why not see how something plays out? The Buffalo Bills' feelings should be somewhere around the 142nd most important thing on Carroll's list of priorities, if it makes the list at all.

See also Carroll-Harbaugh rivalry. When you throw a hissy fit when someone does something to you and you do something similar to someone else your weapons grade hypocritical.

/what's your deal man?

Sorry I just really hate Pete Carroll.


He said "What's your deal?" - I can see how you'd characterize those 3 words as a hissy fit.

Not to say I have an issue with it necessarily, but Harbaugh's call came directly from the sideline on that play, happened later in the game, was a scoring play (2pt conversion vs. kicking), and served no strategic advantage in that game or any other game later on that season.

For Carroll, running that fake punt puts the rest of the league on notice that he'll do it and makes them gameplan for it and continues to eat clock when his team is ahead.
 
2012-12-18 02:05:20 PM

seumasokelly: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Trivia Jockey: The Bears are sinking like a submarine with screen doors.

Cards are up this week though. Which is nice.

The ones that just laid 38 points on Detroit? No doubt they're bad, and I expect they'll lose, but the way the Bears are playing - nothing is in the bag.


Well, they can't ask for much better an opponent. If they can't beat the Cards, they don't deserve to make the playoffs
 
2012-12-18 02:05:31 PM

Bunny Deville: thecpt: Bunny Deville and I are finishing up the fails, but due to the amount of Fail in the league this week they will not be posted until later this evening! We apologize for failing to give fail in the allotted time.

Also, I didn't write up a fail for this one, but here's a little bonus fail that #2 wanted me to throw out there for your amusement: Belicheck gets a mini fail, "The Devil vs Daniel Webster FAIL" for challenging a previously booth reviewed call.

So much fail, so little time this week.


Does AZ get recognized for passing the (fail)buck from them to the Lions?
 
2012-12-18 02:06:48 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Trivia Jockey: The Bears are sinking like a submarine with screen doors.

Cards are up this week though. Which is nice.


I wonder which team will be who we thought they were.
 
2012-12-18 02:06:49 PM
i291.photobucket.com

Answers:

Over/Under

1. The Chicago Bears did indeed set a low (or would that be high?) bar for futility, managing to convert zero third downs. Under

2. Although it was an overtime game, Tony broke the Steelers streak of 20 games without allowing a 300-yard passer. Over

3. In one of the most lopsided statistical anomalies I've studied this season, the eagles have 10.5x as many lost fumbles as the Houston Texans. The birdies have 21 lost fumbles compared to the Texans 2. Over.

Whose Line Is It Anyway?

1.13/27 127 yards, TD 2 Fumbles, 6 sacks belongs to Andy Dalton, who managed to win by 21 points in spite of eating 6 sacks and turning the ball over twice. I bet he wishes he could play the Eagles every week.

2. 14/21 104 yards, INT, 1 Sack belongs to Ryan Lindley, who put up that stat line in a 28 point win over the Lions. Yes, I am aware of how ridiculous that is.

3. 35/55, 377 yards, 3 TD, INT, 4 Sacks belongs to Sam Bradford who lit up the stat sheet. Unfortunately (like my fantasy football team) he played against Adrian Peterson and subsequently walked out with a 14 point loss, qualifying him for most ridiculous stat-line in a loss and making him the subject of our bonus question.

Record Setters:

1. The record-holder for 200 yard games, slashing through defenses and driving the dagger into the opposing defenses is O.J. Simpson, with 6 200 yard games.

2. The 3 guys ahead of Randy Moss for the all-time TD leaderboard? Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Ladainian Tomlinson.

3. Kenny Stabler might have been the best QB at being allowed to stay in and keep throwing picks, but the Hall of Famer throwing all the DAGRONS he ever wanted was Terry Bradshaw, who had 12 games with 4 or more INTs. And he won 3 of them!


Some scores for people who turned in full answer sheets:

Dr Dreidel: 5
my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: 5
CipollinaFan: 4
GiantRex: 3
 
2012-12-18 02:08:19 PM
I'm sick and the Broncos are still number two. This is the worts day ever! Ever!
 
2012-12-18 02:10:49 PM
Holding the #2 spot for the second week in a row... THE DENVER BRONCOS!!! :D

i1182.photobucket.com
 

\ Bud-Watch 2012 Update: My dog is scheduled for a CT scan at 3pm EST, with back surgery either sometime tomorrow or early Thursday. I should have him home for X-Mas. :-)
 
2012-12-18 02:12:44 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: 2. Randy Moss's TD this week moves him over Terrell Owens to put him 4th on the all-time touchdown leaderboard, with 157 TDs. Can you name the 3 players ahead of him? JERRY RICE, ART MONK, MICHAEL IRVING?


Just thought I'd point out the question is all-time touchdown leaders. Not all-time touchdown receptions. Other than Rice, the other two are running backs.

/I'm mostly surprised Owens was ahead of Moss in the first place.
 
2012-12-18 02:14:44 PM

seumasokelly: He said "What's your deal?" - I can see how you'd characterize those 3 words as a hissy fit.

Not to say I have an issue with it necessarily, but Harbaugh's call came directly from the sideline on that play, happened later in the game, was a scoring play (2pt conversion vs. kicking), and served no strategic advantage in that game or any other game later on that season.


Except that Pete Carroll spent his entire career at USC running up the score on hapless opponents, and the second it happened to him, he threw a trantrum like the cry-baby he is. Of course, it mattered for naught because right when Carroll saw the NCAA ban-hammer closing in on him for his decade of running the dirtiest program in college football, he jumped ship like the worthless rat he is and went into hiding in the NFL, leaving his former team to suffer all consequences while he cashed at $35 million paycheck.

Pete Carroll deserves nothing but scorn and revile for who he is and what he is. He can go fark himself.

Also, I'm pretty sure that in the minute or so it took me to type out that paragraph, the Seahags went and signed 9 more Niners castoff for their worthless little team. Whar Kentwan Balmer, WHAR?!?
 
2012-12-18 02:16:27 PM

Treygreen13: 2. Although it was an overtime game, Tony broke the Steelers streak of 20 games without allowing a 300-yard passer. Over


Technically it was an OT game but Romo didn't attempt any passes in it. He got all those yards in the 4 quarters.

Also, it looks to me that something happened to the OL these past 2 weeks and they are playing somewhat better. They played against good defenses (didn't Steelers have the best defense and Cinci is no slouch in that department) and have held their own. I hope this trend does continue in the next 2 games and if they can upgrade at 1 or 2 positions in the offseason (Phil Costa should be back so that's 1), the OL will not be as bad as it was this season.

However, the OL cannot be ignored in the draft. The interior DL and the LB core have no depth which limits what Ryan can do blitz wise so I'm afraid Jerry Jones will get more D in the draft especially in early rounds.
 
2012-12-18 02:19:27 PM

ddam: Technically it was an OT game but Romo didn't attempt any passes in it. He got all those yards in the 4 quarters.


True. I only pointed it out because technically they do account for games going into OT in that sort of statistical analysis even if Tony didn't do anything but take a 2 yard loss on a kneel down.

But anyway, you're right about the line needing to be addressed. Even if they're just adding depth. The Cows have special-teams guys playing defense and guys coming in to replace the special teams guys who replaced the starters... and they're still doing ok. I guess Rob Ryan and the O-line coach can coach after all.
 
2012-12-18 02:21:18 PM
I think I need a boot to the head or something. I have hope that the Cowboys are going to come through and actually make the playoffs. I'm certain those hopes will be dashed but darn-it. It's there and I don't like it!
 
2012-12-18 02:22:14 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: seumasokelly: He said "What's your deal?" - I can see how you'd characterize those 3 words as a hissy fit.

Not to say I have an issue with it necessarily, but Harbaugh's call came directly from the sideline on that play, happened later in the game, was a scoring play (2pt conversion vs. kicking), and served no strategic advantage in that game or any other game later on that season.

Except that Pete Carroll spent his entire career at USC running up the score on hapless opponents, and the second it happened to him, he threw a trantrum like the cry-baby he is. Of course, it mattered for naught because right when Carroll saw the NCAA ban-hammer closing in on him for his decade of running the dirtiest program in college football, he jumped ship like the worthless rat he is and went into hiding in the NFL, leaving his former team to suffer all consequences while he cashed at $35 million paycheck.

Pete Carroll deserves nothing but scorn and revile for who he is and what he is. He can go fark himself.

Also, I'm pretty sure that in the minute or so it took me to type out that paragraph, the Seahags went and signed 9 more Niners castoff for their worthless little team. Whar Kentwan Balmer, WHAR?!?


LOL @ USC hate. The dirtiest program? You got to be kidding me. The only reason USC was punished that badly was because they lied during the investigation coupled with the OJ Mayo fiasco at their basketball program. The penalties were that harsh because the whole athletic program was farked.

And yes, Pete Carroll is an a-hole for running the program like he did. But let's not pretent that the greatest offense in college football in the past 15 years was paying $300k for a house for Reggie Bush's parents. PSU wins that hands down and OSU is on par with USC. And let's not talk about the crap that's going on in SEC because their boosters are saints, right?
 
2012-12-18 02:22:45 PM

cfreak: I think I need a boot to the head or something. I have hope that the Cowboys are going to come through and actually make the playoffs. I'm certain those hopes will be dashed but darn-it. It's there and I don't like it!


I don't. I know even if they win next week they'll go into FedEx field and that piecemeal defense will get cut to ribbons.
 
2012-12-18 02:28:14 PM

ariseatex: If all the higher-ranked teams win, the playoffs will look like this:


Bears playing the Packers in round 1? I may be a major masochist as a Cubs fan, but this would be sports waterboarding.
 
2012-12-18 02:29:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: Appreciate the early green mods, but can we move this to the sports tab?

Also, I thought there was a rule that a team can't be above another team if they're two or more wins behind (49ers, Texans, Falcons, Patriots). Or did I just make that up?


First, the *rule* is you cannot put a team ahead of another team if there is a 2-loss differential.

This week, the Patriots (10-4) are ranked ahead of the Falcons (12-2), violating the rule. This last violation was Week 15 in 2010 when Dallas (4-9) was ranked higher than Seattle (6-7).
 
2012-12-18 02:29:59 PM

Captain Steroid: Holding the #2 spot for the second week in a row... THE DENVER BRONCOS!!! :D

[i1182.photobucket.com image 425x250] 

\ Bud-Watch 2012 Update: My dog is scheduled for a CT scan at 3pm EST, with back surgery either sometime tomorrow or early Thursday. I should have him home for X-Mas. :-)


Good to hear. Hope it goes well!
 
2012-12-18 02:30:11 PM
Here is the best still photo the Bears could get as the promo for an video interview with Jay....

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

I'd say about says it all, but, that could be Jay jumping for joy.
 
2012-12-18 02:31:33 PM

Quasar: I am so thoroughly disappointed in the Steelers. They were handed gifts the last two weeks to get atop the division and look at the mess. Their WRs make stupid mistakes, their Oline gets the QB sacked out of FG range, the runners can't run or hold onto the ball, the defense lets the Cowboys get a first down on practically every play... They have no excuses now that most of the team is healthy.


Cowboys are secretly good. They've only been soundly beaten once this season, week 2 by a good team, even then they were missing Ratliff, and Dez Bryant hadn't begun to turn the corner yet. Every single other game they've lost has been by a touchdown or less. We're just thinking of them as the tosh.0 of the NFL but they've got a little talent sprinkled everywhere, and for all their inconsistancy they've put together a nice little season. There's no shame in losing a close game to a capable team on an upswing.
 
2012-12-18 02:32:50 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: seumasokelly: He said "What's your deal?" - I can see how you'd characterize those 3 words as a hissy fit.

Not to say I have an issue with it necessarily, but Harbaugh's call came directly from the sideline on that play, happened later in the game, was a scoring play (2pt conversion vs. kicking), and served no strategic advantage in that game or any other game later on that season.

Except that Pete Carroll spent his entire career at USC running up the score on hapless opponents, and the second it happened to him, he threw a trantrum like the cry-baby he is. Of course, it mattered for naught because right when Carroll saw the NCAA ban-hammer closing in on him for his decade of running the dirtiest program in college football, he jumped ship like the worthless rat he is and went into hiding in the NFL, leaving his former team to suffer all consequences while he cashed at $35 million paycheck.

Pete Carroll deserves nothing but scorn and revile for who he is and what he is. He can go fark himself.

Also, I'm pretty sure that in the minute or so it took me to type out that paragraph, the Seahags went and signed 9 more Niners castoff for their worthless little team. Whar Kentwan Balmer, WHAR?!?


LOL.

Pointing out that it is important to run up the score in college football would be usefull if you were rational. I already pointed out that all he said was "what's your deal?" which you have characterized as "a tantrum" and "cry-baby" behavior. Your butthurt is out-sized and you may need to calm down. I'm attempting to figure out where any former 49ers have contributed significantly to this team - not Lynch, Rice, Tate, Wilson, Miller, Chancellor, Thomas, Sherman, Browner, Thurmond, Wagner, Wright, Hill, Hauschka, Ryan, McCoy, Unger, Carpenter, Okung, Irvin, Mebane, Giacomini, Jones, Baldwin, Clemons, Flynn, Trufant...
 
2012-12-18 02:33:03 PM

Treygreen13: 14/21 104 yards, INT, 1 Sack belongs to Ryan Lindley, who put up that stat line in a 28 point win over the Lions. Yes, I am aware of how ridiculous that is.


Luck
RGIII
Tannehill
Weeden
Wilson
Foles
Cousins
Lindley

Make it 8 teams to win a game in which the same rookie QB took every snap.

After the Atlanta game, didn't think the Cardinals would ever win a game in which Lindley started. Defense apparently learned their lesson about the need to take interceptions to the house.
 
2012-12-18 02:34:23 PM

Misplaced yat: Make it 8 teams to win a game in which the same rookie QB took every snap.


Aren't a couple of them on the same team?
 
2012-12-18 02:35:20 PM

Trivia Jockey: The Bears are sinking like a submarine with screen doors.


Hey that's not fair, at least the Polish Navy put up a fight.
 
2012-12-18 02:36:16 PM

roc6783: Trivia Jockey: The Bears are sinking like a submarine with screen doors.

Hey that's not fair, at least the Polish Navy put up a fight.


The Polish Navy had a better offensive line.
 
2012-12-18 02:36:22 PM

dletter: Here is the best still photo the Bears could get as the promo for an video interview with Jay....

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x478]

I'd say about says it all, but, that could be Jay jumping for joy.


The most recent interview with Aaron Rodgers on NFL.com was frickin ear porn for Pack fans. He was told about Jay Cutler's rant regarding the rivalry, and how Jay doesn't feel like its a rivalry because they've been dominated. All Rodg could say were things like tradition and "they have a few good players." He tried to be respectful but there is absolutely nothing to say until the next time they play.
 
2012-12-18 02:36:25 PM

Misplaced yat: Treygreen13: 14/21 104 yards, INT, 1 Sack belongs to Ryan Lindley, who put up that stat line in a 28 point win over the Lions. Yes, I am aware of how ridiculous that is.

Luck
RGIII
Tannehill
Weeden
Wilson
Foles
Cousins
Lindley

Make it 8 teams to win a game in which the same rookie QB took every snap.

After the Atlanta game, didn't think the Cardinals would ever win a game in which Lindley started. Defense apparently learned their lesson about the need to take interceptions to the house.


RG3 and Cousins are.
 
2012-12-18 02:37:09 PM
Err, that was supposed to quote The Muthaship.
 
2012-12-18 02:37:27 PM

The Muthaship: Misplaced yat: Make it 8 teams to win a game in which the same rookie QB took every snap.

Aren't a couple of them on the same team?


Ah, right, Griffin and Cousins of course. 8 players on 7 teams, then.
 
2012-12-18 02:38:54 PM

Misplaced yat: Ah, right, Griffin and Cousins of course. 8 players on 7 teams, then.


I wonder when the last time was that a team won 2 games with 2 different rookie starting QB's in the same season.
 
2012-12-18 02:39:09 PM

Trivia Jockey: ariseatex: If all the higher-ranked teams win, the playoffs will look like this:

Bears playing the Packers in round 1? I may be a major masochist as a Cubs fan, but this would be sports waterboarding.


I would giggle like a schoolgirl if this came to pass.
 
2012-12-18 02:45:45 PM

The Muthaship: Misplaced yat: Ah, right, Griffin and Cousins of course. 8 players on 7 teams, then.

I wonder when the last time was that a team won 2 games with 2 different rookie starting QB's in the same season.


2010, Arizona Cardinals. John Skelton vs. Broncos & Max Hall vs. Saints.

I think it was the '94 Redskins before that...
 
2012-12-18 02:46:40 PM

ddam: Treygreen13: ***SNIP*** However, the OL cannot be ignored in the draft. The interior DL and the LB core have no depth which limits what Ryan can do blitz wise so I'm afraid Jerry Jones will get more D in the draft especially in early rounds.


Or Jerrah could quit trying to be cute/make a "splash" and simply draft the best player on the board, regardless of position. Then show how great a business man he is & work a trade for what they need.

That'd probably be asking too much, though.
 
2012-12-18 02:46:42 PM
Iggles/Jets/Cards/???

The nominees for the Choke artists of 2012!
 
2012-12-18 02:47:21 PM

LucklessWonder: 2010, Arizona Cardinals. John Skelton vs. Broncos & Max Hall vs. Saints.

I think it was the '94 Redskins before that...


Interesting. Thanks!
 
2012-12-18 02:47:51 PM
I can't believe the steelers can still make the playoffs. At this point, why bother - in my mind they've only really shown up like three times all year. Not that I wouldn't watch of course, I'm just disappointed.
 
2012-12-18 02:48:18 PM

4NTLRZ: ddam: Treygreen13: ***SNIP*** However, the OL cannot be ignored in the draft. The interior DL and the LB core have no depth which limits what Ryan can do blitz wise so I'm afraid Jerry Jones will get more D in the draft especially in early rounds.

Or Jerrah could quit trying to be cute/make a "splash" and simply draft the best player on the board, regardless of position. Then show how great a business man he is & work a trade for what they need.

That'd probably be asking too much, though.


I think I'd rather the Cowboys draft on need (as long as he doesn't reach too far) rather than take something ridiculous like another TE or QB and try to pawn them off on someone. Also, ideally, Jerry would be on an island somewhere far, far away from the draft room.
 
2012-12-18 02:48:27 PM
Pats below the Texans?

Wut?
 
2012-12-18 02:51:07 PM

eddievercetti: Iggles/Jets/Cards/???

The nominees for the Choke artists of 2012!


Philly, for sure. I don't think anyone had any major expectations of the Jets or Cards this year, aside from the mis-guided among their respective fanbases.
 
2012-12-18 02:51:29 PM
WHAR JAKE
 
2012-12-18 02:53:03 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: WHAR JAKE


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/With bonus Fat Man
 
2012-12-18 02:55:50 PM

Treygreen13: 4NTLRZ: ddam: Treygreen13: ***SNIP*** However, the OL cannot be ignored in the draft. The interior DL and the LB core have no depth which limits what Ryan can do blitz wise so I'm afraid Jerry Jones will get more D in the draft especially in early rounds.

Or Jerrah could quit trying to be cute/make a "splash" and simply draft the best player on the board, regardless of position. Then show how great a business man he is & work a trade for what they need.

That'd probably be asking too much, though.

I think I'd rather the Cowboys draft on need (as long as he doesn't reach too far) rather than take something ridiculous like another TE or QB and try to pawn them off on someone. Also, ideally, Jerry would be on an island somewhere far, far away from the draft room.


Going into the draft room with a plan for the team has done wonders for the Seahawks. Not necessarily the best player on the board, not necessarily the best player at the position, but the best player for what you need him to do. I understand that the fanbase for the Cowboys is far more rabid than the one Carroll/Schneider have to answer to, but results on the field will quiet that. Makes me wonder where the narrative would be now if the Cowboys had taken a guy like Bruce Irvin in the 1st round with a pick that was roundly derided - and he ended up on pace for double-digit sacks with America's TeamTM.
 
2012-12-18 02:56:48 PM

The Muthaship: Misplaced yat: Ah, right, Griffin and Cousins of course. 8 players on 7 teams, then.

I wonder when the last time was that a team won 2 games with 2 different rookie starting QB's in the same season.


2010 Cardinals. Max Hall beat the Saints 30-20 in October, then John "Helton" Skelton beat the Broncos 43-13 in December.
 
2012-12-18 02:57:33 PM

Treygreen13: cfreak: I think I need a boot to the head or something. I have hope that the Cowboys are going to come through and actually make the playoffs. I'm certain those hopes will be dashed but darn-it. It's there and I don't like it!

I don't. I know even if they win next week they'll go into FedEx field and that piecemeal defense will get cut to ribbons.


My brain knows this. My heart just has a tiny of glimmer of "maybe they'll just hang on and get crushed in the first round"
 
2012-12-18 02:58:37 PM

Neeek: The Muthaship: Fark Griswald: ***snip***

Yes. Who is #2 is actually more surprising.


Najeh Davenport?
 
2012-12-18 02:58:50 PM

RminusQ: The Muthaship: Misplaced yat: Ah, right, Griffin and Cousins of course. 8 players on 7 teams, then.

I wonder when the last time was that a team won 2 games with 2 different rookie starting QB's in the same season.

2010 Cardinals. Max Hall beat the Saints 30-20 in October, then John "Helton" Skelton beat the Broncos 43-13 in December.


Yay! I beat someone to the info! :-p
 
2012-12-18 03:05:40 PM
The Redskins are about 4 spots too high. they aren't a top 10 team with that defense.
 
2012-12-18 03:05:46 PM

thecpt: Bunny Deville and I are finishing up the fails, but due to the amount of Fail in the league this week they will not be posted until later this evening! We apologize for failing to give fail in the allotted time.


You whores. I demand better. WHAR AWESOME STUFF I LUURVVEE?!?!? WHAR?!?!?
 
2012-12-18 03:06:02 PM

dletter: Here is the best still photo the Bears could get as the promo for an video interview with Jay....



I'd say about says it all, but, that could be Jay jumping for joy.


Jay Cutler don't give a shiat.
 
2012-12-18 03:08:30 PM

seumasokelly: Makes me wonder where the narrative would be now if the Cowboys had taken a guy like Bruce Irvin in the 1st round with a pick that was roundly derided - and he ended up on pace for double-digit sacks with America's TeamTM.


Well the Cowboys primary need this last round was CB, and they traded up to get one. I'm sure that they'd love to have a great DE but I don't have an issue with Mo Claiborne, other than that he is currently injured. He's been a good rookie corner and will get better.

Although I have to wonder if you're just saying that to point out that the Seahawks have a good rookie DE. I mean, it's great that they got him and all, but could they have gotten him later? Probably, considering his pre-draft ranking. A ton of credit goes to their scouting department seeing the talent there, but could they have taken him a bit later.

Of course, I'm operating off assumptions and only partial information. But being derided for reaching can be legitimate even if the player works out.
 
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