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(New York Daily News)   There is a reason why you haven't heard a single word from the NRA and why they have taken down their Facebook page with 1.7million fans   (nydailynews.com) divider line 644
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2012-12-18 09:56:57 AM
Because they're gagged and tied up in the back room of Maynard's pawn shop with Zed and the Gimp?
 
2012-12-18 10:00:57 AM
And in a few weeks everything will be back to the way it was. Nothing constructive will happen. There are millions of assault weapons and high capacity magazines out there and even if a ban passes, there will be sufficient time for manufacturers to get rid of the inventory, so fear not, they won't go away and will be available for mass murderers for the next 100 years.
 
2012-12-18 10:03:50 AM
Because they're cowards who've always known that their hollow platitudes and mindless slogans cannot stand up to true scrutiny?

I'm just guessing, mind you.
 
2012-12-18 10:06:16 AM
I would have lost a lot of money if someone bet me a few days ago that the NRA would express shame.
 
2012-12-18 10:06:30 AM
I'm a gun owner and former hunter. But we have to change. Here is a radical idea- Ban all guns. They serve no necessary purpose- Hunting? Humans hunted successfully for 10 thousand years using Bows and Arrows. You want to hunt? Learn to use a bow or crossbow. Home security / personal defense ? We have mace, pepper spray, and tazers, all non-lethal means of defense. And I'm sure our gun manufacturers could come up with a dozen other kinds of non-lethal means of incapacitating any bad guy. Protection from the government? Give me a break. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars each year insuring our military is the strongest in the world. Our military can easily take on any armed force in the world. They have fully automatic weapons, grenades, armored vehicles, armed helicopters, armed jets, real time satellite surveillance, and a host of other weapons. Anyone that thinks a bunch of untrained unorganized civilians with hunting rifles is going to last 1 week against that force is a delusional fool.

The problem we face has two factors- insane people and guns. We will never be able to contain the threat from insane people- there is no way to detect and isolate every crazy person- because we don't have the tools to do it. Simply put, you can't catch all the crazies. But guns are a physical object, easily identified. So ban them, offer a buy back program- 200% of the cost of the gun, plus a certificate for a bow or crossbow for hunters, and a certificate for a tazer or mace for those that want something for defense. And make the penalty for possession or use of a firearm steep. 

Because if we don't, we will be seeing more of these massacres. And everyone knows it.
 
2012-12-18 10:06:52 AM
The GOP is realizing that those that cling to bibles and guns can no longer ensure their victory.

/Anti-Christian Right
/Pro-Gun Rights
 
2012-12-18 10:07:56 AM
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

It's just guns allow those people to kill those people so much more efficiently.
 
2012-12-18 10:08:11 AM

Dinki: Our military can easily take on any armed force in the world. They have fully automatic weapons, grenades, armored vehicles, armed helicopters, armed jets, real time satellite surveillance, and a host of other weapons. Anyone that thinks a bunch of untrained unorganized civilians with hunting rifles is going to last 1 week against that force is a delusional fool.


You should tell all the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans that the wars were over almost a decade ago.
 
2012-12-18 10:08:13 AM

oldernell: they won't go away and will be available for mass murderers for the next 100 years.


The journey of a thousand kills begins with a single bullet.
 
2012-12-18 10:09:14 AM
I think you could stack the bodies of gun violence victims like cordwood on the front steps of the NRA and they still wouldn't get the message.
 
2012-12-18 10:09:36 AM
If the NRA were smart, they'd be out ahead of everyone else in writing a new assault weapons ban. It's going to happen, so they might as well be part of the process and not look uncaring about a lot of dead kids.
 
2012-12-18 10:10:10 AM
The reason? So that they can control their message. It's that simple, really. With an open Facebook page, anyone can post on it, and there will be idiots who post there (much like on Fark). They have to be very careful so that the blatherings of someone aren't mistaken for their position during an extremely sensitive time like this.
 
2012-12-18 10:10:41 AM

Dinki: Because if we don't And even if we do, we will be seeing more of these massacres. And everyone knows it.


FTFY
 
2012-12-18 10:12:11 AM

Citrate1007: The GOP is realizing that those that cling to bibles and guns can no longer ensure their victory.

What about those who cling to Beecher's Bibles?
 
2012-12-18 10:12:12 AM
People always bring up how automatic weapons are hardly ever used in crimes or massacres like this. What was done with automatic weapons to remove them from society in such a way and why can't that be done with other types?
 
2012-12-18 10:12:41 AM
We are seeing now what's actually possible when guns are this readily accessible--we'd never had to see that before. Being witness to the most extreme possibility of making guns so easily available to anyone who wants them will likely change anyone's mind.
 
2012-12-18 10:13:09 AM

dittybopper: The reason? So that they can control their message. It's that simple, really. With an open Facebook page, anyone can post on it, and there will be idiots who post there (much like on Fark).


They also stopped posting on twitter, where they don't risk that problem.
 
2012-12-18 10:13:38 AM
cause them gunz is killin' peoples!!!


watch out for dem gunz. they hard ta' predict.
 
2012-12-18 10:13:47 AM
entertaining the possibility of limiting virtually unfettered access to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

There's got to be a way to put reasonable restrictions, particularly as we look at assault weapons, as we look at these fast clips of ammunition


So, we're not going to address the problem of why people go on rampages, we're just going to make sure they have a slightly slower rate of fire. Got it.
 
2012-12-18 10:14:04 AM
Odds of meaningful gun control legislation this year?

I'd say about 28 percent. Ballpark figure.

Cowardly congresspeople still cowardly congresspeople.
 
2012-12-18 10:14:35 AM
"... Fast clips of ammunition"? Is that like the sequel to "the Internet is a series of tubes"?
 
2012-12-18 10:15:06 AM
The NRA exists only to suck dues from it's gullible members without providing any discernible service in return.
 
2012-12-18 10:15:24 AM
I just want to know when people are going to get away from the "guns don't kill people" argument when asking for Holder to get thrown in prison and Obama to be impeached over Fast and Furious
 
2012-12-18 10:15:40 AM
"Tyranny derives from the oligarchy's mistrust of the people; hence they deprive them of arms, ill-treat the lower class, and keep them from residing in the capital. These are common to oligarchy and tyranny."
Aristotle in Politics (J. Sinclair translation, pg. 218, 1962)
 
2012-12-18 10:16:11 AM

oldernell: And in a few weeks everything will be back to the way it was. ...


Details here, courtesy of The Dish.
 
2012-12-18 10:16:11 AM
I wonder how many more dead grade schoolers we get to see before the country finally decides

oldernell: And in a few weeks everything will be back to the way it was. Nothing constructive will happen.


I wonder how many more dead grade schoolers we get to see before the disinterested voter finally realizes that we don't need to set policy according to the delusions, paranoia, and fantasies of the NRA.

The immediate problem is lawmakers are terrified of crossing the gun-nut vote which, just like the general right wing vote, is actually a minority. If that grip breaks, you will see progress.
 
2012-12-18 10:16:25 AM
Because they're calculating cowards.

And because, unfortunately, much of the call for gun-control legislation will be coming from the Republican side simply to set up incumbents to be primaried by NRA-backed candidates in the next election.

Cynical? No. Not me. When the leading Republican campaign manager sits on live national TV waiting for his fix in Ohio to kick in, nothing surprises me anymore about the Republican party. That's why I left the Republican party.
 
2012-12-18 10:17:05 AM
Because, despite all the "herr derp FREEDOMZ" rhetoric, the NRA is now nothing more than a public relations front for gun manufacturers. When something like this happens the best move is to shut up and wait for the storm to pass.
 
2012-12-18 10:17:30 AM

bulldg4life: What was done with automatic weapons to remove them from society in such a way and why can't that be done with other types?


They're expensive.

People who have automatic weapons are generally significantly invested in their firearms financially and emotionally. Just like how some people own tanks but those aren't used in crimes. If tanks were $150 from a pawn store, though, they'd be used left and right.
 
2012-12-18 10:18:20 AM
Specifically which of these ideas is bad:

Reinstate the assault weapons ban

Prohibit the sale of high-capacity magazines

Fix the gun show loophole

Make gun trafficking a felony

Ensure that names of convicted drug abusers, domestic abusers and hospitalized or adjucated mentally ill are added to the federal database against which gun sellers must check prospective buyers

Prosecute people with criminal records who lie on background check forms when they try to buy guns
 
2012-12-18 10:18:48 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Because they're calculating cowards.

And because, unfortunately, much of the call for gun-control legislation will be coming from the Republican side simply to set up incumbents to be primaried by NRA-backed candidates in the next election.

Cynical? No. Not me. When the leading Republican campaign manager sits on live national TV waiting for his fix in Ohio to kick in, nothing surprises me anymore about the Republican party. That's why I left the Republican party.


There's no shortage of Democrats who have been polishing that NRA knob.
 
2012-12-18 10:18:52 AM

LandOfChocolate: Dinki: Because if we don't And even if we do, we will be seeing more of these massacres. And everyone knows it.

FTFY


SOMEONE has to be the first [black dude] to die via crossbow.

images.pictureshunt.com

// I'm willing to risk being at the mercy of a baseball bat-wielding psychopath if it means I have less chance of meeting a psychopath with a handgun 
// especially if us non-psychos are still allowed to carry
 
2012-12-18 10:19:23 AM

Linux_Yes: "Tyranny derives from the oligarchy's mistrust of the people; hence they deprive them of arms, ill-treat the lower class, and keep them from residing in the capital. These are common to oligarchy and tyranny."
Aristotle in Politics (J. Sinclair translation, pg. 218, 1962)


The only disagreement I have with that statement is the oligarchy trusts the people. It knows exactly how to manipulate them with depressed wages, lousy schools and even allowing them to shoot each other in record numbers.

When rich people start getting shot, then we'll have serious gun control in this country.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:08 AM

bulldg4life: I just want to know when people are going to get away from the "guns don't kill people" argument when asking for Holder to get thrown in prison and Obama to be impeached over Fast and Furious


Great point.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:13 AM

sprawl15: bulldg4life: What was done with automatic weapons to remove them from society in such a way and why can't that be done with other types?

They're expensive.

People who have automatic weapons are generally significantly invested in their firearms financially and emotionally. Just like how some people own tanks but those aren't used in crimes. If tanks were $150 from a pawn store, though, they'd be used left and right.


Don't forget all the ATF hoops you have to jump through to get them. It's hard to use a weapon in a crime if you've told the federal government you have it and allow them to search you at any time. It's simply not worth the effort or risk.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:13 AM
Two Democratic senators with top National Rifle Association ratings

You should never start an article off with a baldfaced lie.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:16 AM
If the NRA is responsible for gun violence then the ACLU must be responsible for hate speech.

...or we could blame the people who actually did the crime.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:34 AM
There were an estimated 42 mass shootings in the 90's and 26 in the 00's. A BIG part is the perception they are on the rise thanks to the media's non stop barrage of coverage.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/associated-press-story-believe-it-or- n ot-mass-killings-are-not-on-the-rise-they-are-on-the-decline/

IIRC, in the latest 5 (Tucson, Aurora, Milwaukee, Seattle, and CT), they all occurred in areas where its illegal to carry. Could be wrong but I thought I remember seeing that somewhere.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:43 AM

sprawl15: Dinki: Our military can easily take on any armed force in the world. They have fully automatic weapons, grenades, armored vehicles, armed helicopters, armed jets, real time satellite surveillance, and a host of other weapons. Anyone that thinks a bunch of untrained unorganized civilians with hunting rifles is going to last 1 week against that force is a delusional fool.

You should tell all the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans that the wars were over almost a decade ago.


I figured somebody would bring those up. If you think we have put any where near the full might of the US military into those fights you are a fool. Hell at the peak deployment we had barely 160,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. In 1968 we had over 500,000 in Vietnam. Iraq and Afghanistan were always just sideshows.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:44 AM

AntiNerd: The immediate problem is lawmakers are terrified of crossing the gun-nut vote which, just like the general right wing vote, is actually a minority. If that grip breaks, you will see progress.


The bigger problem, to me, is that both sides generally hump the fear vote so much that any real rational examination of gun laws is out of the question regardless of what party is in power.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:45 AM

Dinki: Protection from the government?


Exactly. What a farking waste of breath. We have a government that has never fallen to a military coup, we have one of the most stable democracies in the world, and furthermore, our government has weapons no gun could combat. I don't have an agenda here against guns per se. My mother grew up in a community where everyone owned one and very few people were hurt by them. But this is different. We've crossed some line. We're no longer talking about hunters and ranchers. We're talking about paranoid shiats who are convinced the darkies are coming to get them. They hoard guns and food for the coming apocalypse and we are supposed to be okay with that. I'm not.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:08 AM
Connecticut already had an assault weapon ban in place before this horrible event occurred. The issue continues to be the inability of this country to have a serious talk about mental health
 
2012-12-18 10:21:31 AM
an M1 was good enough to take down the nazis, it's good enough to defend my home and shoot pumpkins. I don't need a 30 round magazine. I'm also ok with having a license to own a firearm/ammo above certain lethality. And I'm ok with a system whereby if you want those arms, you agree to be apart of a regulated defense force in the event of an invasion. (ie, a militia).

AND I'm ok with mental screens, and universal health care to get the crazies the help they need.

Having m16s and m4s won't win you a revolution against the US gov anyway, wide spread civilian support and guerrilla tactics will.

/super libby lib libtard, who also enjoys the shooting sports.crazy I know.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:33 AM

Linux_Yes: "Tyranny derives from the oligarchy's mistrust of the people; hence they deprive them of arms, ill-treat the lower class, and keep them from residing in the capital. These are common to oligarchy and tyranny."
Aristotle in Politics (J. Sinclair translation, pg. 218, 1962)


Except we have a plutocratic oligarchy, which means that there are those in power that need to continue to sell weapons to the poor to maintain their power. In fact, the more armed and afraid the populous is the better they fare.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:37 AM

bulldg4life: People always bring up how automatic weapons are hardly ever used in crimes or massacres like this. What was done with automatic weapons to remove them from society in such a way and why can't that be done with other types?


automatic weapons are either semi-automatic or fully automatic. Every innocent person that the idiot shot last Friday was shot with a semi-automatic rifle.

If you meet certain and very weak requirements, you too can own a fully automatic weapon.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:46 AM

Karac: Two Democratic senators with top National Rifle Association ratings

You should never start an article off with a baldfaced lie.


Please, tell me exactly how that is a lie.
 
2012-12-18 10:22:00 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: And because, unfortunately, much of the call for gun-control legislation will be coming from the Republican side simply to set up incumbents to be primaried by NRA-backed candidates in the next election.


Meh, gun control was pretty much still a 50/50 split topic. The difference is the gun fetishist 50% was previously way more motivated on the issue. That might have changed since 20 first grade children were gunned down in under 2 minutes.
 
2012-12-18 10:22:04 AM

Summoner101: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

It's just guns allow those people to kill those people so much more efficiently.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 10:22:11 AM

urbangirl: Specifically which of these ideas is bad:

Reinstate the assault weapons ban

Prohibit the sale of high-capacity magazines

Fix the gun show loophole

Make gun trafficking a felony

Ensure that names of convicted drug abusers, domestic abusers and hospitalized or adjucated mentally ill are added to the federal database against which gun sellers must check prospective buyers

Prosecute people with criminal records who lie on background check forms when they try to buy guns


What exactly is "the gun show loophole"?
 
2012-12-18 10:22:29 AM

Dinki: Because if we don't, we will be seeing more of these massacres. And everyone knows it.


No way.
If all the teachers were armed, this wouldn't have happened and also they have guns in Switzerland and also a guy in China attacked schoolkids with a knife and also McVeigh made a bomb with fertilizer so why don't we ban fertilizer and also if guns are bad why does the president have armed guards?

All those things are true. People posted pictures of Willy Wonka saying so on Facebook, and that's all the proof I need.
 
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