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2012-12-18 05:32:24 PM  

Doom MD: innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.

It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.


So you're saying that a semi-automatic weapon is not as dangerous because it MIGHT jam once in a while, maybe?

The point is that certain weapons (are designed to) make it easier to kill and there should be a line drawn to limit that, regardless of jamming or the shooter being struck by lighning or unicorns flying out of my ass.

/If I didn't know any better, it would seem that you're trying to convince us that revolvers should be restricted in the same way as semi-automatic weapons.
 
2012-12-18 05:33:30 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.

It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.

How is it that your hypothetical shooter is a whiz with a speed loader but is somehow unable to rack a slide to clear a jam with an autoloader?


In this specific case due to the inability of the audience to react (young children too young to understand and physically unable to) I still believe pistol, shotgun, knife, whatever could have been just as deadly. In general, yes, a high capacity semi-auto is more effective.
 
2012-12-18 05:34:00 PM  

Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
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Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.

No, it does not have a faster rate of fire. You're wielding your definitions clumsily. What you're trying to say is that revolvers have a longer reload time, not a faster rate of fire. This can be mitigated with speed loaders.

Ok whatever...if you had to put 30 rounds down range with a hand gun in the minimum amount of time which weapon would you choose? A semi-auto pistol with two 15 round mags or a revolver a 5 speed loaders? I know what my choice would be.

My choice would be to get one round downrange where I need it to be.


A scoped Thompson Contender wasn't one of the choices
 
2012-12-18 05:38:42 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


An AR-15 is capable of accepting a magazine with a capacity of only five rounds. An AR-15 is not defined by the capacity of the magazine inserted into it.
 
2012-12-18 05:42:25 PM  
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\Sadly, Seamans (furniture store) went out of business a few years ago.
\Now an (equally as funny) "Babies 'R' us
 
2012-12-18 05:43:43 PM  
1994 called, they want their cause back.

/It worked so well
 
2012-12-18 05:44:53 PM  
Also, this one
 
2012-12-18 05:46:16 PM  
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2012-12-18 05:51:14 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Such a PR move... probably not a bad one for a few weeks though


Wal-Mart did this for a few weeks after a different killing spree a few years ago.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:20 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser


I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.
 
2012-12-18 06:00:17 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


Yes they do.
 
2012-12-18 06:02:26 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


Huh? Are you developmentally impaired?
 
2012-12-18 06:05:38 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.


That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.
 
2012-12-18 06:06:34 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Zeb Hesselgresser

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.


yes, been reading up on it, AR hunting has really come on in the last 10 - 12 years, still lots of mentions of high cap mags plugged to max of 5 rounds
 
2012-12-18 06:07:22 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Zeb Hesselgresser

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.


Yeah, and where they hunt, the owner specifically asked them to get rid of any invasive/nuisance animals as well. So while a 20 round "clip" might not be necessary, it's less of a hassle.
 
2012-12-18 06:10:18 PM  

robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.


God damn, gun guys are worse than car guys when it comes to retarded speculations about other people.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:11 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.

God damn, gun guys are worse than car guys when it comes to retarded speculations about other people.


He sounds more like an anti-gun guy than a gun guy.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:55 PM  

robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.


You're joking right? Obviously different models weigh in depending on the accessories, but an AR-15 isn't any heavier than a Remington 700. They both weigh 7-8 lbs unloaded.
 
2012-12-18 06:17:14 PM  
not impaired, in fact I have both 5.56 and 7.62 rifles; we just don't hunt with them up here.
 
2012-12-18 06:21:38 PM  
everybody hunts with pappy's old lever action 30/30
 
2012-12-18 06:31:43 PM  

meanmutton:
Since we're on that topic -- nonlethal weapons are prohibited by the Geneva conventions. No pepper spray, tear gas, stun-guns, etc., can be used by the military against another military.


Citation sorely needed. No chemical weapons. Certainly. No blinding lasers. Absolutely. No EM weapons that damage the central nervous system. Of course. No nonlethal weapons that cause superfluous injury. Naturally.

However, that leaves plenty of room for other non-lethal direct and indirect fire weapons. (Like, for instance, jammers.)
 
2012-12-18 10:40:58 PM  
Remember when Richard Dicks came in here and tried to take over this town?
www.wearysloth.com
/rarrrurr
 
2012-12-18 11:06:27 PM  

redmid17: i.crackedcdn.com


Really? Really? So why didn't Batman just shoot the Joker and do us all a favor, smartass?
 
2012-12-18 11:39:53 PM  
And they did what? Destroyed them? No, they probably sold the guns to another retailer.
 
2012-12-19 12:12:33 AM  

Feepit: Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.


Certainly, modern warfare doctrine is to decapitate command and control. Killing top leadership with swarms of tiny super intelligent drones will become the weapon of choice.
 
2012-12-19 12:16:18 AM  

James F. Campbell: redmid17: i.crackedcdn.com

Really? Really? So why didn't Batman just shoot the Joker and do us all a favor, smartass?



Pang of conscience? IDGAF. Someone said superheroes don't kill people. Batman did fairly frequently and capriciously early on in his career.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:17 AM  
Jesus Christ, crazy gun people.

"HOW DARE ONE STORE CHAIN STOP SELLING SOME GUNS FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME" is not a sane farking thing to be outraged about.
 
2012-12-19 01:36:48 AM  
In two weeks, the kids will all be buried, some watered down meaningless legislation may pass with great fanfare (with a sunset provision), and we go round again to the next great outrage.
 
2012-12-19 02:05:29 AM  
You guys just spent a couple hours debating the best weapon to shoot up a school room. Think about that.
 
2012-12-19 02:13:29 AM  
There's high, and there's low, and both of those will rip your dick off.

WKUK

/Aw hellll no
//Watch, this motherfarker's still gonna pay it.
///Nasty ass vacuum farkers.
 
2012-12-19 02:31:57 AM  

redmid17: IDGAF.


You sure give a lot of fark for someone who doesn't give a fark. You're wrong, anyway.
 
2012-12-19 05:23:55 AM  

ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.


And therefore, Dick's should feel free to sell any kind of gun they want. Hell, they should ditch all the other sporting goods and just change their name to "Gundick's"!

/"He'll get it somewhere else" is not an argument against the decision. No matter how much you want it to be.
 
2012-12-19 09:32:15 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such


Not the ones down here in Raleigh; they had the semi-auto civilianized rifles right out there on display along with the pistols, shotguns and hunting rifles. The local news said yesterday Dick's had pulled all their semi-auto rifles off the shelves (but left the pistols) in sympathy to the Sandy Hook massacre, though.
 
2012-12-19 09:58:40 AM  

James F. Campbell: redmid17: IDGAF.

 
You sure give a lot of fark for someone who doesn't give a fark. You're wrong, anyway.
 
 
I don't give a fark why he stopped killing criminals. He was kicking the shiat out of and killing criminals until comic #38, so suck it.You wouldn't have sites and stories like this and this  if he hadn't. They retconned some reason why he should no longer kill or use a gun. 
 
2012-12-19 10:14:13 AM  

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?


I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?
 
2012-12-19 10:43:37 AM  

jaybeezey: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?

I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?


That all depends on which report you believe... the latest that I've heard is that he used the .223 to kill the kids and one of the 9s to kill himself.
 
2012-12-19 10:50:09 AM  

GanjSmokr: jaybeezey: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?

I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?

That all depends on which report you believe... the latest that I've heard is that he used the .223 to kill the kids and one of the 9s to kill himself.


I think the majority of the reports have settled on:

.223 (and possibly the pistols) to kill the kids
pistol to kill himself
shotgun in the trunk (previously reported to be a AR-15)

Of course that could just mean the majority of reporters are still wrong.
 
2012-12-19 11:26:17 AM  
FTFC:

We are an armed society. Plain and simple. America's problem is not guns. Mass shootings were never commonplace years ago like they are today. Our children are products of Lazy and Absent parenting and that is the problem.
1. Parents need to be actively involved in their childrens' lives
2. Parents should not use XBOX 360 or PS3 as Babysitters
3. Actively Regulate what your kids watch on TV
4. Lessons in humility, compassion, love, and loss.
5. Don't blame TV, Video Games, Magazines, etc. for how your child has turned out. That is your fault for allowing them to intake that information. YOU ARE THE PARENT!!!!
6. If you are a gun owner, 1 simple step, LOCK THEM UP AND LOCK THE KEYS UP!!
7. MOST IMPORTANT, DO NOT PACIFY your child. If they loose, let them feel loss, don't give them anything they want, make them earn it. If they cry, kick, scream, stomp......don't give it to them. Stand your ground and your child will turn out to be a better person for it.


Not sure if serious, unintentional comedy, or subtle, sophisticated troll.
 
2012-12-19 11:41:16 AM  

redmid17: Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.


Yes because heaven forbid an american wants an assault rifle when they can't get one.

that would be so completely horrible.

/cue world's tiniest violin
 
2012-12-19 11:51:19 AM  
redmid17


ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.

Just looked at their website and it looks like they've taken down every semi-auto rifle. I was poking around their website last week for ammo prices before the shooting and saw Bushmasters up for sale.


Do they still sell the ammo
 
2012-12-19 11:55:02 AM  
Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?
 
2012-12-19 11:57:50 AM  

Buffalo77: redmid17


ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.

Just looked at their website and it looks like they've taken down every semi-auto rifle. I was poking around their website last week for ammo prices before the shooting and saw Bushmasters up for sale.

Do they still sell the ammo


Yes.  http://search.gandermountain.com/?Ne=1000045&N=4665+4294949974&cname= C enterfire-Rifle
 

Red_Fox: redmid17: Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.

Yes because heaven forbid an american wants an assault rifle when they can't get one.

that would be so completely horrible.

/cue world's tiniest violin


They ship it to the store and you still go through the entire background check and NICS form. It's no different than having a store transfer merchandise like a washing machine between locations. If he didn't order/transfer it online, he'd just wait for the next shipment.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:28 PM  

Buffalo77: Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?


Technically neither. I thing the language used is eliminate the threat, incidently the best way to do that is through normally fatal damage to the CNS or blood vessels.

It's a myth that the M16 was designed to wound, I don't know where people got that from.
 
2012-12-19 03:30:09 PM  

Buffalo77: Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?


Depends on the ammo you use.
 
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