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2012-12-18 11:11:40 AM
It's all fun and games until someone loses a dick!
 
2012-12-18 12:57:46 PM
www.thejimbolist.com

"Touché, submitter."
 
2012-12-18 01:12:56 PM
You can still get them if you carry this

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 01:23:13 PM
Saw this on the news this morning. I'm.... not really certain how I feel about this, honestly.
 
2012-12-18 01:33:21 PM
PR.
 
2012-12-18 01:34:26 PM

quatchi: It's all fun and games until someone loses a dick!


And what's the point in living ...if you don't have a dick?

/dammit, Donnie!
 
2012-12-18 01:57:02 PM
This is my rifle, this is my Dick?
 
2012-12-18 01:58:11 PM
Penis.
 
2012-12-18 01:58:18 PM
How long until the NRA tries to boycott them?
 
2012-12-18 01:59:40 PM
+1 Subby, for giving me a headache stifling my laughter in the office
 
2012-12-18 02:00:37 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.


Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.
 
2012-12-18 02:02:11 PM
i74.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-18 02:02:33 PM
I find it odd that you can buy those in the same place you can pick up a basketball or a My little pony scooter. Hunting is not a sport in my book, it's an outdoor activity, like camping. Then again, you can get camping gear at Dicks as well. Ah, the whole world is farked up.
 
2012-12-18 02:02:47 PM
Knee Jerk Reactionists
 
2012-12-18 02:04:45 PM
Sucking the cock of the jackbooted toadies isn't a good way to stay in business long. May their implosion be spectacular
 
2012-12-18 02:06:11 PM
Did all the kids come back life yet!?
 
2012-12-18 02:09:25 PM
What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such
 
2012-12-18 02:09:33 PM
I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.
 
2012-12-18 02:10:29 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.


Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.
 
2012-12-18 02:10:39 PM
Some dude on the radio was bemoaning this decision, saying he should have the right to bear arms and blah blah blah

The SMALL GUMMINT vs. FREE MARKET dilemma unfolding inside his tiny little mind was delicious
 
2012-12-18 02:11:23 PM

Raging Whore Moans: Some dude on the radio was bemoaning this decision, saying he should have the right to bear arms and blah blah blah

The SMALL GUMMINT vs. FREE MARKET dilemma unfolding inside his tiny little mind was delicious


We will force you at gunpoint to sell guns! For FREEDOM!
 
2012-12-18 02:12:04 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.


This is a big move, though, and something that hasn't happened after any other mass shooting. It seems even retailers are a little worried at this point. I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but maybe the murders of kids (KIDS, FOR fark'S SAKE) is prompting weapons advocates and retailers to reconsider their policies.
 
2012-12-18 02:13:40 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.


What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.
 
2012-12-18 02:14:13 PM

ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.


Just looked at their website and it looks like they've taken down every semi-auto rifle. I was poking around their website last week for ammo prices before the shooting and saw Bushmasters up for sale.
 
2012-12-18 02:14:22 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Create a scarcity


Not creating a scarcity, just avoiding having local or national newsreaders next to your store logo saying, "Just x minutes away from Sandy Hook Elementary, you can still purchase the weapon used in this horrible tragedy."
 
2012-12-18 02:15:18 PM
The two Dicks stores closest to me don't even carry fun guns. One doesn't carry firearms at all, or even fishing gear. The one that does only seems to carry hunting weapons. It's pretty lame compared to Gander Mountain or Cabelas.
 
2012-12-18 02:15:32 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

This is a big move, though, and something that hasn't happened after any other mass shooting. It seems even retailers are a little worried at this point. I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but maybe the murders of kids (KIDS, FOR fark'S SAKE) is prompting weapons advocates and retailers to reconsider their policies.


apparently someone DNRTFA
 
2012-12-18 02:15:49 PM
haz a sad.
blog.moviefone.com
 
2012-12-18 02:17:02 PM
First They Came For My Religion, And I Said Nothing
 
2012-12-18 02:17:39 PM

Feepit: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.


You sound like a GI Joe who is totally stunned that Cobra comes back despite their policy of "Joes Don't Kill"
 
2012-12-18 02:17:58 PM
Hurry! Hurry! The most important thing right now is to curry favor with the knee-jerk crowd.
 
2012-12-18 02:18:00 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such


They make shotguns out of deer now?
 
2012-12-18 02:18:26 PM
www.nerdist.com
 
2012-12-18 02:21:41 PM
In the ER one of the more common gunshot wounds you can see are to the groin. You'd think the world was littered with window-washer snipers and that they're targetting fine upstanding gentleman scholars. However, the victim's monochrome clothes, 1k pocket cash, and the fact they were loitering around in one of the worst neighborhoods in the city suggest they were just mexican carrying and negligently discharged their own gun into their crotch and dumped the pistol before going to the ER.
 
2012-12-18 02:21:45 PM
ih1.redbubble.net

/not obscure
 
2012-12-18 02:24:39 PM
That's not going to help.
 
2012-12-18 02:25:02 PM

Doom MD: Feepit: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.

You sound like a GI Joe who is totally stunned that Cobra comes back despite their policy of "Joes Don't Kill"


Now that you mention it, not killing the villain seems to be a common trait in super heroes. They would rather subdue the violent king pin orchestrating all the violence and let them have their day in court.

It is interesting how we tend to admire them so much ...
 
2012-12-18 02:25:48 PM
Because when it happened the other times it wasn't important. It only matters now.

Whatever. This is how I feel about their lack of guns. 

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-18 02:26:03 PM

Feepit: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.


Since we're on that topic -- nonlethal weapons are prohibited by the Geneva conventions. No pepper spray, tear gas, stun-guns, etc., can be used by the military against another military.
 
2012-12-18 02:28:49 PM

Feepit: Doom MD: Feepit: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.

You sound like a GI Joe who is totally stunned that Cobra comes back despite their policy of "Joes Don't Kill"

Now that you mention it, not killing the villain seems to be a common trait in super heroes. They would rather subdue the violent king pin orchestrating all the violence and let them have their day in court.

It is interesting how we tend to admire them so much ...


Tell that to Batman.
 
2012-12-18 02:29:20 PM

NicoFinn: Because when it happened the other times it wasn't important. It only matters now.

Whatever. This is how I feel about their lack of guns.


You'll get over it.
 
2012-12-18 02:30:17 PM

redmid17: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.


Wrong I checked gander mountain is sold out
 
2012-12-18 02:30:18 PM
Oh give me a farking break.
 
2012-12-18 02:31:43 PM
These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.
 
2012-12-18 02:32:16 PM

meanmutton: Since we're on that topic -- nonlethal weapons are prohibited by the Geneva conventions. No pepper spray, tear gas, stun-guns, etc., can be used by the military against another military.


So according to the Geneva convention, it is OK to kill your enemy, but not OK to knock them out with a tranquilizer dart, take away their weapons, and taking whatever other steps are necessary to make them stop trying to kill you?

o_O

This world is crazy backwards.
 
2012-12-18 02:32:35 PM
No Hero tag?

Who cares why they're doing it, what's important is that they did it.
 
2012-12-18 02:35:50 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer:
This is a big move, though, and something that hasn't happened after any other mass shooting. .


Except it has, like with K-mart after Columbine. Can't say it is related, but a year later, they filed for bankruptcy.
It's only been in the past year or so AR's and the like have been popping up at select Walmarts. I don't go to Dicks, but they probably aren't big in the black rifle trade.
 
2012-12-18 02:36:57 PM

redmid17: Tell that to Batman.


Wasn't the story that after having seen his parents murdered, Batman himself became opposed to murder and would always try to take his victims alive?
 
2012-12-18 02:37:14 PM

The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: NicoFinn: Because when it happened the other times it wasn't important. It only matters now.

Whatever. This is how I feel about their lack of guns.

You'll get over it.


What will I get over? All the people senselessly murdered? I'm for the lack of guns.
 
2012-12-18 02:39:51 PM
That's okay, I can still get fertilizer, diesel fuel, and rental trucks.
 
2012-12-18 02:40:38 PM

amquelbettamin


redmid17: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.

Wrong I checked gander mountain is sold out


*facepalm* They continued selling and have now sold out. Duh.
 
2012-12-18 02:42:57 PM

ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.


It's just free advertising/PR and it's pitiful.

It would be meaningful if they did it out of the blue.
 
2012-12-18 02:47:34 PM

amquelbettamin: redmid17: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.
http://www.fark.com/comments/7491917/Youll-shoot-your-Dicks-off&new=1 # b
Wrong I checked gander mountain is sold out


Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-18 02:49:24 PM
He used a pistol to shoot himself...I say more pistols!
 
2012-12-18 02:50:49 PM
Either sell guns or don't sell guns, don't be a farking wish washy pussy about it.

Pick a side motherfarker, no one likes an independent...

Dick's is a shiathole anyways...
 
2012-12-18 02:53:56 PM
Such a PR move... probably not a bad one for a few weeks though
 
2012-12-18 02:55:19 PM
lulz... I do like that they still have the youth firearms section available
 
2012-12-18 02:56:25 PM
 
2012-12-18 02:57:10 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such


The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.
 
2012-12-18 03:00:16 PM

doubled99: Hurry! Hurry! The most important thing right now is to curry favor with the knee-jerk crowd.


Hurry! Hurry! Take a business basics class at your local community College. The purpose of a business is to make money, not stand up for somebody's agenda, or take bad PR, or attract boycotts.
 
2012-12-18 03:01:54 PM

ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.


Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.
 
2012-12-18 03:03:08 PM
People are just retarded and are looking for ANY response to feel like something has changed or been accomplished by this tragedy.

What a bunch of sheep.
 
2012-12-18 03:03:58 PM
media.comicvine.com

/Not amused.
 
2012-12-18 03:07:57 PM

innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.


Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.
 
2012-12-18 03:08:22 PM

Feepit: What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary,


upload.wikimedia.org

Agrees, getting too old for this shiat...
 
2012-12-18 03:10:52 PM

Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.


Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too
 
2012-12-18 03:11:09 PM

Feepit: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

What I have been thinking about of late is why lethal weapons are even necessary, other than for hunting game where the objective is to kill the target.

Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.

Surely by now we have the technology to achieve such a thing as a bloodless conflict.


What about the enjoyment of the simple skill challenge shooting x target at y distance?

I hunt paper targets... Bastards have it coming being all flat and stuff.
 
2012-12-18 03:11:15 PM

Feepit: redmid17: Tell that to Batman.

Wasn't the story that after having seen his parents murdered, Batman himself became opposed to murder and would always try to take his victims alive?


I know he was still packing a piece early in 1940, shortly before Dick Grayson came on the scene.

/Dick
 
2012-12-18 03:11:51 PM
Better than closing the barn door after the horse is out???
 
2012-12-18 03:17:09 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.


Yeah, and? The free market is sending signals that Dick's is interpreting as "this business will be more profitable overall if we remove this category of products from our inventory".

That's a publicly traded company, and Wall Street has responded by pushing its stock price up about 2% after hearing this news. Maybe- just maybe- a little PR is good for business.
 
2012-12-18 03:17:17 PM

redmid17: amquelbettamin: redmid17: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.
http://www.fark.com/comments/7491917/Youll-shoot-your-Dicks-off&new=1 # b
Wrong I checked gander mountain is sold out

Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.


Thanks I was looking at the specific $699 bushmaster in particular to see if there had been a run or not. They were sold out.
 
2012-12-18 03:19:07 PM

Skraeling: What about the enjoyment of the simple skill challenge shooting x target at y distance?

I hunt paper targets... Bastards have it coming being all flat and stuff.


Just like a baseball bat, if you are using it as equipment for a game, it is equipment for a game; if you are using it as a weapon to kill, it is a weapon to kill.
 
2012-12-18 03:20:01 PM

ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.


Sure, but I can choose to buy my crap at Dick's instead of one of those other stores. Or not.
 
2012-12-18 03:20:48 PM

Feepit: redmid17: Tell that to Batman.

Wasn't the story that after having seen his parents murdered, Batman himself became opposed to murder and would always try to take his victims alive?


i.crackedcdn.com
 
2012-12-18 03:26:30 PM
Obviously, the killer bought all his weapons and ammo on Black Friday:

i.imgur.com

....that or he killed his gun nut, survivalist Mother (who probably bought them at real gun shops) and stole it all.
 
2012-12-18 03:29:23 PM
zokstersomething.files.wordpress.com 

/nobody yet?
//really?
 
2012-12-18 03:37:00 PM

innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.


You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.
 
2012-12-18 03:39:31 PM
Dicks chose to fall for the anti gun hype coming from the looney left demtards. Will they also be dropping ASSUALT baseball bats and golf clubs?
i1253.photobucket.com
This RPG is perfectly safe until a human squeezes the trigger.
 
2012-12-18 03:39:48 PM

ha-ha-guy: As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.


If anyone ever shoot up MY workplace, i want him to do it with a water pistol
 
2012-12-18 03:41:42 PM

KidneyStone


ha-ha-guy: As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

If anyone ever shoot up MY workplace, i want him to do it with a water pistol


If anyone ever shoots up MY workplace, I want him to do it with heroin. 


Nah, JK - water pistol would be fine.
 
2012-12-18 03:44:10 PM
What? Usually it would take a catheter to pull something out of Dick's.
 
2012-12-18 03:45:23 PM

ReapTheChaos:

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.


Yes, but aside from rate of fire, magazine capacity and other factors make a difference in nutjob situations.

And in a more general sense, a knife is less efficient than a firearm, a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol, etc. So it does matter what kind of weapon a nutjob uses, doesnt it?
 
2012-12-18 03:46:19 PM

KidneyStone: ha-ha-guy: As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

If anyone ever shoot up MY workplace, i want him to do it with a water pistol


That used to be Fridays in the summer around here. But we're all engineers and eventually one of the guys had a homemade high pressure pistol blow up in his hand and pepper him with bits of plastic. Now we're all busy modding nerf guns.

/I can totally upgrade the spring in this thing
 
2012-12-18 03:46:32 PM
there is more then one way to skin a statist!
 
2012-12-18 03:51:05 PM
In my city in a fairly new shopping center they are building a Dick's. On the other side of that parking lot is a BJ's Brewery.
 
2012-12-18 03:57:59 PM

dikfishman: In my city in a fairly new shopping center they are building a Dick's. On the other side of that parking lot is a BJ's Brewery.


I trust we can count on photographic proof of project completion.
 
2012-12-18 03:58:15 PM

ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.


So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.
 
2012-12-18 03:59:36 PM

dikfishman: In my city in a fairly new shopping center they are building a Dick's. On the other side of that parking lot is a BJ's Brewery.


I'd call it merely an amusing coincidence if not for the Kokkenbaalz Insurance Company located directly in between...
 
2012-12-18 04:01:21 PM

TheNewJesus: Either sell guns or don't sell guns, don't be a farking wish washy pussy about it.

Pick a side motherfarker, no one likes an independent...

Dick's is a shiathole anyways...


the golf section is full of wonder
 
2012-12-18 04:01:36 PM
relaxitsjustme

ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.



So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?
 
2012-12-18 04:02:02 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.


What weapon can put more rounds down range in X number of minutes? Semi-automatic assault rifle? Semi-automatic shotgun? Semi-automatic handgun?
 
2012-12-18 04:05:15 PM

Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.


Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.
 
2012-12-18 04:06:01 PM

karnal: relaxitsjustme

ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.


So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?


The point it that is matters what type of weapon is used.
 
2012-12-18 04:08:04 PM

karnal:
So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?


Ok, let's have a duel.

My weapon: A semi-automatic rifle.

Your weapon: One, scratch that, two cans of red bull

May the more efficient killing machine win!
 
2012-12-18 04:08:12 PM
I'm pleased about this decision. It will drive more business to the independent FFL dealer or gunsmith.

these threads are fun. it's easy to pick out the ones who know nothing at all about firearms except what they hear on the news.
 
2012-12-18 04:09:54 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: these threads are fun. it's easy to pick out the ones who know nothing at all about firearms except what they hear on the news.


I've been thinking this, too. Gives a chance to appropriately farkie people as well.
 
2012-12-18 04:10:31 PM

innumerate: ReapTheChaos:

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

Yes, but aside from rate of fire, magazine capacity and other factors make a difference in nutjob situations.

And in a more general sense, a knife is less efficient than a firearm, a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol, etc. So it does matter what kind of weapon a nutjob uses, doesnt it?


I honestly don't think it does. In a shootout with police a 30 round magazine might give you a slight edge, shooting 6 year olds, not so much. It only takes a second or two to reload one anyway.
 
2012-12-18 04:10:49 PM

Doom MD: In the ER one of the more common gunshot wounds you can see are to the groin. You'd think the world was littered with window-washer snipers and that they're targetting fine upstanding gentleman scholars. However, the victim's monochrome clothes, 1k pocket cash, and the fact they were loitering around in one of the worst neighborhoods in the city suggest they were just mexican carrying and negligently discharged their own gun into their crotch and dumped the pistol before going to the ER.


This makes me laugh. Stupid drug dealers.
 
2012-12-18 04:11:24 PM
Interesting twist here.

The Supreme Court decision that said that you couldn't ban guns specifically said that any gun in common civilian use was legal and couldn't be banned. The fact that these types of rifles (and the high capacity mags to go with them) are sold in these types of huge chain sporting goods stores (not to mention Wal*Mart) clearly means that they are in "common civilian use" and therefore can't be banned or heavily restricted.
 
2012-12-18 04:11:26 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

This is a big move, though, and something that hasn't happened after any other mass shooting. It seems even retailers are a little worried at this point. I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but maybe the murders of kids (KIDS, FOR fark'S SAKE) is prompting weapons advocates and retailers to reconsider their policies.


Kmart did the same after columbine.
 
2012-12-18 04:12:35 PM
relaxitsjustme

karnal: relaxitsjustme

ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.


So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?

The point it that is matters what type of weapon is used.



I agree that the Assault Weapons Ban should not have expired.....but I place the blame for the horrific shooting squarely on the kid and his mother.
 
2012-12-18 04:14:39 PM
Dicks.
 
2012-12-18 04:15:38 PM
innumerate


karnal:
So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?

Ok, let's have a duel.

My weapon: A semi-automatic rifle.

Your weapon: One, scratch that, two cans of red bull

May the more efficient killing machine win!



There is only one common denominator in your scenario - the human denominator.
 
2012-12-18 04:16:35 PM

karnal: First They Came For My Religion, And I Said Nothing


Your religion will be the last thing they come for. It will serve as a control system long after they take your guns and lawnmowers.
 
2012-12-18 04:19:01 PM
Good. More business for Bass Pro. They're a nicer store and have a bigger selection anyway.
 
2012-12-18 04:21:25 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.
 
2012-12-18 04:24:57 PM

relaxitsjustme: ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.


I don't see how. In a close environment like a classroom, he would have been more efficient using a shotgun. He would have easily killed 2 or 3 at a time that way.
 
2012-12-18 04:26:12 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.


AR-15's aren't a traditional "long rifle". There is a reason they use M4's to clear homes in SWAT (America), Iraq etc and not pistols or shotguns most of the time. My AR is probably a good foot shorter then my long rifles and extremely easy to maneuver in closer quarters. More so then a shotgun and easier to aim then a pistol.
 
2012-12-18 04:26:47 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


Plenty of people hunt with AR-15s. Most hunting regulations stipulate a maximum capacity for when you hunt (ie ducks - 3 shells). While not exactly hunting, plenty of people use semi-auto rifles to rid land of unwanted animals, be they ranchers shooting coyotes or a farmer shooting wild hogs. My dad's friend has an AR-15 chambered in .308 because occasionally he gets a lot of hogs on his property in the Florida panhandle. They make a mess out of everything and can be quite dangerous to humans. Plenty of people hunt small to medium game with it. You don't need high powered cartridge to shoot a raccoon.
 
2012-12-18 04:27:01 PM

karnal: relaxitsjustme

karnal: relaxitsjustme

ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.

So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?

The point it that is matters what type of weapon is used.

I agree that the Assault Weapons Ban should not have expired.....but I place the blame for the horrific shooting squarely on the kid and his mother.


I agree. If somebody is entertaining thoughts of shooting up a public location they should recognize that they have a problem and seek help. Being slightly or even a lot mental isn't an excuse in my book. But somebody was trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what weapon he had in his hands when he went off and I disagree with that premise.
 
2012-12-18 04:30:01 PM

ha-ha-guy: Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too

I'm highly doubting a shotgun would spread in the distance most modern american classrooms are. Links to chokes that show them spreading more then all of 6-8 inches in that distance? Rate of fire is also slower. Now a reliable Semi-Auto 12 with a drum magazine might be different. Still, my shooting speed with my AR-15 is very very high with high accuracy due to lack of kick, light weight, etc. My friends Saiga 12 isn't near as fast.
 
2012-12-18 04:34:06 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


I do asshole.
 
2012-12-18 04:34:55 PM

ReapTheChaos: relaxitsjustme: ReapTheChaos: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

You do realize that these "assault" weapons they're talking about aren't machine guns right? They're Semi-automatic, which means one trigger pull fires one bullet, just like every other rifle or pistol out there.

So? Doens't change the fact that semi-auto assault weapons still turn a deranged person into a more efficient killing machine.

I don't see how. In a close environment like a classroom, he would have been more efficient using a shotgun. He would have easily killed 2 or 3 at a time that way.


WTF? You think you point a shotgun at something and Boom! everything within 50 yards withers and dies? How wide is an average classroom? 20' maybe 50' from entrance door to furthest corner? What's the spread at 50'? I'll take my chances with the 00 over a .223 round at 50' How much energy is lost going through a desk on a 00 vs a .223? How many rounds can somebody rip off in 30 seconds with an AR vs a 12 gauge? Who ever said these threads make it easy to spot the people who only know about guns from the movies and the news is right.
 
2012-12-18 04:35:17 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


Hog hunting, prairie dogs, etc are all hunted with these legally.
 
2012-12-18 04:43:51 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


You have confused your ignorance with reality. The two concepts, however, are not equivalent.

The higher-caliber variants of AR-15 pattern rifles are primarily marketed to hunters.
 
2012-12-18 04:44:05 PM

innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,


The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.
 
2012-12-18 04:45:10 PM

mstang1988: ha-ha-guy: Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too
I'm highly doubting a shotgun would spread in the distance most modern american classrooms are. Links to chokes that show them spreading more then all of 6-8 inches in that distance? Rate of fire is also slower. Now a reliable Semi-Auto 12 with a drum magazine might be different. Still, my shooting speed with my AR-15 is very very high with high accuracy due to lack of kick, light weight, etc. My friends Saiga 12 isn't near as fast.


Your hunting chokes aren't going to be useful in the classroom, but there was a whole line of chokes for close quarters combat. They started out for WWI tunnel clearing and remained in service at various levels through Vietnam. There used to be a company in Michigan that the duckbill style choke used in 'Nam. You also sometime seem them on riot police shotguns, although not so much in America.

The duckbill I have does 1 foot high by 4 foot long oval at 20 yards. If you're firing across a classroom with that spread forming, you could get the whole pile of huddled bodies in one or two shots.

/with regard to your early post about SWAT not using shotguns, while weapon handling is a valid point the other issue is collateral damage like hostages or the target's family members, etc. If you're shooting up the place, you don't care about that.
 
2012-12-18 04:48:50 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

What weapon can put more rounds down range in X number of minutes? Semi-automatic assault rifle? Semi-automatic shotgun? Semi-automatic handgun?


not sure if serious
 
2012-12-18 04:49:11 PM

ha-ha-guy: Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too


Except a person can't walk into a sporting goods store and buy an M60.
 
2012-12-18 04:51:33 PM

Benjamin Orr: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.

Oh yes it does matter what kind of weapon he used. Certain types of weapons make a nutjob into a more efficient killing machine.

Trying to prevent nutjobs from becoming more efficient is not a kneejerk reaction if it makes so much goddamn sense. Of course common sense seems to be in shorter supply than semi-automatic weapons in certain parts of this country.

Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

What weapon can put more rounds down range in X number of minutes? Semi-automatic assault rifle? Semi-automatic shotgun? Semi-automatic handgun?

not sure if serious


I was asking the poster who was insinuating that a handgun or shotgun would have been more efficient than an AR-15
 
2012-12-18 04:51:33 PM

ReapTheChaos:
I honestly don't think it does. In a shootout with police a 30 round magazine might give you a slight edge, shooting 6 year olds, not so much. It only takes a second or two to reload one anyway.


And a second or two makes a world of difference. How long would it take an average person to run across a classroom and out the door? Or to lay down and play dead while the shooter is reloading in cases where there are several people shot already?
 
2012-12-18 04:53:25 PM

redmid17: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Plenty of people hunt with AR-15s. Most hunting regulations stipulate a maximum capacity for when you hunt (ie ducks - 3 shells). While not exactly hunting, plenty of people use semi-auto rifles to rid land of unwanted animals, be they ranchers shooting coyotes or a farmer shooting wild hogs. My dad's friend has an AR-15 chambered in .308 because occasionally he gets a lot of hogs on his property in the Florida panhandle. They make a mess out of everything and can be quite dangerous to humans. Plenty of people hunt small to medium game with it. You don't need high powered cartridge to shoot a raccoon.


In PA, (5) shot rifles, (3) shot shotguns. You're right, private property varmint/pest control gives people a free hand.
 
2012-12-18 04:53:53 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.


Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"
 
2012-12-18 04:54:47 PM

mstang1988: ha-ha-guy: Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too
I'm highly doubting a shotgun would spread in the distance most modern american classrooms are. Links to chokes that show them spreading more then all of 6-8 inches in that distance? Rate of fire is also slower. Now a reliable Semi-Auto 12 with a drum magazine might be different. Still, my shooting speed with my AR-15 is very very high with high accuracy due to lack of kick, light weight, etc. My friends Saiga 12 isn't near as fast.


How is this turning into a conversation into the best way to massacre 7 year olds? You really think this Asperberger's kid was carefully weighing his options? These are 7 year olds. My originaly point is that anything he would've selected would essentially have led to the same outcome. Would we be railing about the AR15 if he just left it in his trunk and he went wild with his shotty instead?
 
2012-12-18 04:55:35 PM

karnal: innumerate


karnal:
So does Red Bull....so, what's your point?

Ok, let's have a duel.

My weapon: A semi-automatic rifle.

Your weapon: One, scratch that, two cans of red bull

May the more efficient killing machine win!


There is only one common denominator in your scenario - the human denominator.


That's always the common denominator. What's your point? Obviously I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at that factor, but it seems like gun nuts are pushing the mental health issue solely to distract from the need for better firearm restrictions, etc.
 
2012-12-18 04:56:24 PM

Odd Bird: dikfishman: In my city in a fairly new shopping center they are building a Dick's. On the other side of that parking lot is a BJ's Brewery.

Odd Bird: I trust we can count on photographic proof of project completion.


Here is a screen cap of an article about the said building of Dick's.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-18 04:56:33 PM

innumerate: ReapTheChaos:
I honestly don't think it does. In a shootout with police a 30 round magazine might give you a slight edge, shooting 6 year olds, not so much. It only takes a second or two to reload one anyway.

And a second or two makes a world of difference. How long would it take an average person to run across a classroom and out the door? Or to lay down and play dead while the shooter is reloading in cases where there are several people shot already?


In the old days when people got into close range fights with muzzleloading rifles, they didn't pause to reload.

/bayonets and solid buttstocks aren't new things.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:44 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.


But they also have a smaller capacity and take longer to reload. In a mass shooting situation, I doubt the shooter is concerned with forensics.
 
2012-12-18 04:57:57 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"


Rate of fire is no different
 
2012-12-18 04:59:34 PM

Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different


Once you get to the 7th round it is
 
2012-12-18 05:01:58 PM

way south: innumerate: ReapTheChaos:
I honestly don't think it does. In a shootout with police a 30 round magazine might give you a slight edge, shooting 6 year olds, not so much. It only takes a second or two to reload one anyway.

And a second or two makes a world of difference. How long would it take an average person to run across a classroom and out the door? Or to lay down and play dead while the shooter is reloading in cases where there are several people shot already?

In the old days when people got into close range fights with muzzleloading rifles, they didn't pause to reload.

/bayonets and solid buttstocks aren't new things.


They also aren't as efficient in mass shootings than a weapon you don't have to reload nearly as often. I'd rather take my chances ( or have anyone take their chances) with a solid buttstock or bayonet.
 
2012-12-18 05:02:12 PM

innumerate: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

But they also have a smaller capacity and take longer to reload. In a mass shooting situation, I doubt the shooter is concerned with forensics.


You've never heard of a speed loader? And yes, they tend to have smaller capacity but they generally also use a larger caliber cartridge. I'm sorry, I was thinking you were concerned about public well-being, rather than regulating an extremely uncommon event that is statistically on the decline.
 
2012-12-18 05:03:15 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is

inigomontoya.jpeg
 
2012-12-18 05:03:26 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is


Just get real good with these
 
2012-12-18 05:03:52 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

But they also have a smaller capacity and take longer to reload. In a mass shooting situation, I doubt the shooter is concerned with forensics.

You've never heard of a speed loader? And yes, they tend to have smaller capacity but they generally also use a larger caliber cartridge. I'm sorry, I was thinking you were concerned about public well-being, rather than regulating an extremely uncommon event that is statistically on the decline.


I'm concerned about both. What would make you think otherwise?
 
2012-12-18 05:05:07 PM

Doom MD: mstang1988: ha-ha-guy: Doom MD: Having an AR15 didn't make him more efficient at killing compared to using any of his handguns or shotgun that he had in his possession. It could even be argued it made him less efficient. Long rifles are less desirable in close quarters.

Yeah, that shotgun with buckshot would not have been pleasant in a classroom. Especially with some of the chokes out there for them.

As I'be said before, if anyone ever shoots up my workplace, I was him to do with a M60. He's not going to be accurate or moving all that fast.

/and jamming is on the table with it too
I'm highly doubting a shotgun would spread in the distance most modern american classrooms are. Links to chokes that show them spreading more then all of 6-8 inches in that distance? Rate of fire is also slower. Now a reliable Semi-Auto 12 with a drum magazine might be different. Still, my shooting speed with my AR-15 is very very high with high accuracy due to lack of kick, light weight, etc. My friends Saiga 12 isn't near as fast.

How is this turning into a conversation into the best way to massacre 7 year olds? You really think this Asperberger's kid was carefully weighing his options? These are 7 year olds. My originaly point is that anything he would've selected would essentially have led to the same outcome. Would we be railing about the AR15 if he just left it in his trunk and he went wild with his shotty instead?

I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless. If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome. Who knows what the kid weighed (although you need to remember, it's similar to Autism so sometimes their attention to detail is high for specifics).
 
2012-12-18 05:05:23 PM

ha-ha-guy: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is

Just get real good with these


Or this: freshinfos.com
 
2012-12-18 05:10:16 PM

Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
inigomontoya.jpeg


Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.
 
2012-12-18 05:13:58 PM

ha-ha-guy: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is

Just get real good with these


You'll have to reload twice before the auto shooter gets to the end of his first magazine
 
2012-12-18 05:15:23 PM

mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.


I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.


Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.
 
2012-12-18 05:16:49 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
inigomontoya.jpeg

Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.


No, it does not have a faster rate of fire. You're wielding your definitions clumsily. What you're trying to say is that revolvers have a longer reload time, not a faster rate of fire. This can be mitigated with speed loaders.
 
2012-12-18 05:18:35 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.


I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.
 
2012-12-18 05:20:41 PM

Doom MD:
How is this turning into a conversation into the best way to massacre 7 year olds?


thread upon thread on the internet seem to be going down this road....It's rather disturbing to me personally.

I'm not sure how I feel about this whole issue... I'd love it if we could all start from a high level and find consensus on some kind of realistic framework before going straight for the 'ban guns!!!' or 'I need my guns to protect me from the government!!!!' wahrgarbl....

Can everyone here agree on the following two statements?:

1.) We can't farking ban guns. In America's past...pretty much every time we try to ban something it fails miserably. Please see prohibition and the drug war for example.

2.) I fundamentally reject the notion that 'safe' in our society means everyone needs to be armed to the teeth at all times. Some sort of personal M.A.D. walking around everywhere. A pin drops in a kindergarten classroom and fifteen kids open fire at once.... This isn't practical, and anyone who suggests we should just arm those who might be in danger isn't being realistic.

// basically...I got nothin...
 
2012-12-18 05:24:01 PM
TIf you work for the city of San Francisco, they will pay for your sex change operation. I think this may save the city a lot of money and weed out everyone but the truly He/Shes.
 
2012-12-18 05:24:02 PM

innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.


It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.
 
2012-12-18 05:24:53 PM

amquelbettamin: redmid17: The Short Bald Guy from Benny Hill: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: PR.

Yep. Those guns will be back for sale soon. It's simple economics. Create a scarcity by purposefully holding back supply and then start selling again at twice the value because there are a ton of fearful idiots out there who need to protect themselves from society.

Meanwhile Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Gander Mountain, and any other big outdoor/gun stores I missed will feel free to continue selling their stock. That doesn't even touch the specialized gun stores.

Wrong I checked gander mountain is sold out


Buds Gun Shop will have it. They have everything.

/Well expect customer service in the store
 
2012-12-18 05:24:54 PM

Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
inigomontoya.jpeg

Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.

No, it does not have a faster rate of fire. You're wielding your definitions clumsily. What you're trying to say is that revolvers have a longer reload time, not a faster rate of fire. This can be mitigated with speed loaders.


Ok whatever...if you had to put 30 rounds down range with a hand gun in the minimum amount of time which weapon would you choose? A semi-auto pistol with two 15 round mags or a revolver a 5 speed loaders? I know what my choice would be.
 
2012-12-18 05:25:06 PM
As soon as I posted that, it came to me that perhaps they could use a Bushmaster!!!
 
2012-12-18 05:28:10 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
inigomontoya.jpeg

Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.

No, it does not have a faster rate of fire. You're wielding your definitions clumsily. What you're trying to say is that revolvers have a longer reload time, not a faster rate of fire. This can be mitigated with speed loaders.

Ok whatever...if you had to put 30 rounds down range with a hand gun in the minimum amount of time which weapon would you choose? A semi-auto pistol with two 15 round mags or a revolver a 5 speed loaders? I know what my choice would be.


My choice would be to get one round downrange where I need it to be.
 
2012-12-18 05:28:21 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.

It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.


How is it that your hypothetical shooter is a whiz with a speed loader but is somehow unable to rack a slide to clear a jam with an autoloader?
 
2012-12-18 05:32:24 PM

Doom MD: innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.

It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.


So you're saying that a semi-automatic weapon is not as dangerous because it MIGHT jam once in a while, maybe?

The point is that certain weapons (are designed to) make it easier to kill and there should be a line drawn to limit that, regardless of jamming or the shooter being struck by lighning or unicorns flying out of my ass.

/If I didn't know any better, it would seem that you're trying to convince us that revolvers should be restricted in the same way as semi-automatic weapons.
 
2012-12-18 05:33:30 PM

relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: mstang1988: I absolutely agree that yes, this would have ended up the same regardless.

I disagree. Maybe in this specific situation it wouldn't have. However, let's say a situation like a crowded mall. If the shooter has to reload more often, more innocent people have a second or two to run and hide/run for cover.

mstang1988: If one tool wasn't available he would have used another and against defenseless targets it's the same outcome.

Hopefully that other tool would've either reduced his capability to kill in great numbers, OR caused him to jump through more hoops increasing the likelihood to raise a red flag somewhere along the line.

Most reasonable people, in my opinion, are asking for exactly this. Make it more DIFFICULT for a nutjob to meet his goal.

/I realize it would also make it more difficult for everyone else, but that's life.

It's not as clear cut as you try to make it be. A semiauto handgun jams and the massacre is over, whereas a revolver wielded could've just kept going. A semiauto wielded can reload less often with his hypothetical 9 mm, but being hit with a .357 magnum is much more devastating. There's a reason people still buy revolvers.

How is it that your hypothetical shooter is a whiz with a speed loader but is somehow unable to rack a slide to clear a jam with an autoloader?


In this specific case due to the inability of the audience to react (young children too young to understand and physically unable to) I still believe pistol, shotgun, knife, whatever could have been just as deadly. In general, yes, a high capacity semi-auto is more effective.
 
2012-12-18 05:34:00 PM

Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: relaxitsjustme: Doom MD: innumerate: a revolver less efficient than a semi-automatic pistol,

The Hell they're not. They're more reliable/much harder to jam and they don't leave shell casings behind for forensics. The smarter gang-bangers use these.

Except you snipped the part about "rate of fire"

Rate of fire is no different

Once you get to the 7th round it is
inigomontoya.jpeg

Oh FFS you pedantic asshole you know exactly what I'm talking about but since you want to be a dick about it. I'll bet you that a semi-auto pistol can put more rounds down range and on target than some double-action wheel gun. IOW it has a faster rate of fire.

No, it does not have a faster rate of fire. You're wielding your definitions clumsily. What you're trying to say is that revolvers have a longer reload time, not a faster rate of fire. This can be mitigated with speed loaders.

Ok whatever...if you had to put 30 rounds down range with a hand gun in the minimum amount of time which weapon would you choose? A semi-auto pistol with two 15 round mags or a revolver a 5 speed loaders? I know what my choice would be.

My choice would be to get one round downrange where I need it to be.


A scoped Thompson Contender wasn't one of the choices
 
2012-12-18 05:38:42 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


An AR-15 is capable of accepting a magazine with a capacity of only five rounds. An AR-15 is not defined by the capacity of the magazine inserted into it.
 
2012-12-18 05:42:25 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com

\Sadly, Seamans (furniture store) went out of business a few years ago.
\Now an (equally as funny) "Babies 'R' us
 
2012-12-18 05:43:43 PM
1994 called, they want their cause back.

/It worked so well
 
2012-12-18 05:44:53 PM
Also, this one
 
2012-12-18 05:46:16 PM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-18 05:51:14 PM

Benjamin Orr: Such a PR move... probably not a bad one for a few weeks though


Wal-Mart did this for a few weeks after a different killing spree a few years ago.
 
2012-12-18 05:55:20 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser


I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.
 
2012-12-18 06:00:17 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.


Yes they do.
 
2012-12-18 06:02:26 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


Huh? Are you developmentally impaired?
 
2012-12-18 06:05:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.


That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.
 
2012-12-18 06:06:34 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Zeb Hesselgresser

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.


yes, been reading up on it, AR hunting has really come on in the last 10 - 12 years, still lots of mentions of high cap mags plugged to max of 5 rounds
 
2012-12-18 06:07:22 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Zeb Hesselgresser

I was thinking traditional northeast deer and small game,I'm not sure I want to hunt anything that would require (20) rounds of 7.62. My .223 came with a (5) round box. These guys really hunt pigs legally with 20+ round clips? TMYK.


I don't hunt, but I think the distinction is that a hog is a nuisance animal and is not considered a game animal like a deer would be. There isn't a hog season or a hog license, there aren't the same restrictions on methods (bow vs black powder vs shotgun), etc.

Also hogs seem to be ill-tempered... until they get shot, and then they become Tasmanian-Devil-like blurs of fangs and hooves. A wounded hog needs to be put down IMMEDIATELY so the additional rounds are helpful.


Yeah, and where they hunt, the owner specifically asked them to get rid of any invasive/nuisance animals as well. So while a 20 round "clip" might not be necessary, it's less of a hassle.
 
2012-12-18 06:10:18 PM

robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.


God damn, gun guys are worse than car guys when it comes to retarded speculations about other people.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:11 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.

God damn, gun guys are worse than car guys when it comes to retarded speculations about other people.


He sounds more like an anti-gun guy than a gun guy.
 
2012-12-18 06:13:55 PM

robbiex0r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Zeb Hesselgresser: Dimensio: justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such

The Dicks Sporting Goods store near where I live sold AR-15-based rifles that I believe were chambered in higher calibers, likely intended for deer hunting.

Nobody hunts with those weapons. Legally. Nobody.

Uh, about 5 guys at my office who go hog hunting every fall would disagree with you. They all use AR platforms for hunting.

That's wayyyy too heavy to carry around the woods. They are probably "hunting" by sitting in a tree with a feeder baiting in deer.


You're joking right? Obviously different models weigh in depending on the accessories, but an AR-15 isn't any heavier than a Remington 700. They both weigh 7-8 lbs unloaded.
 
2012-12-18 06:17:14 PM
not impaired, in fact I have both 5.56 and 7.62 rifles; we just don't hunt with them up here.
 
2012-12-18 06:21:38 PM
everybody hunts with pappy's old lever action 30/30
 
2012-12-18 06:31:43 PM

meanmutton:
Since we're on that topic -- nonlethal weapons are prohibited by the Geneva conventions. No pepper spray, tear gas, stun-guns, etc., can be used by the military against another military.


Citation sorely needed. No chemical weapons. Certainly. No blinding lasers. Absolutely. No EM weapons that damage the central nervous system. Of course. No nonlethal weapons that cause superfluous injury. Naturally.

However, that leaves plenty of room for other non-lethal direct and indirect fire weapons. (Like, for instance, jammers.)
 
2012-12-18 10:40:58 PM
Remember when Richard Dicks came in here and tried to take over this town?
www.wearysloth.com
/rarrrurr
 
2012-12-18 11:06:27 PM

redmid17: i.crackedcdn.com


Really? Really? So why didn't Batman just shoot the Joker and do us all a favor, smartass?
 
2012-12-18 11:39:53 PM
And they did what? Destroyed them? No, they probably sold the guns to another retailer.
 
2012-12-19 12:12:33 AM

Feepit: Even in modern wars, the goal isn't really to kill the enemy. It's to make them incapable of doing whatever it is you don't like them doing.


Certainly, modern warfare doctrine is to decapitate command and control. Killing top leadership with swarms of tiny super intelligent drones will become the weapon of choice.
 
2012-12-19 12:16:18 AM

James F. Campbell: redmid17: i.crackedcdn.com

Really? Really? So why didn't Batman just shoot the Joker and do us all a favor, smartass?



Pang of conscience? IDGAF. Someone said superheroes don't kill people. Batman did fairly frequently and capriciously early on in his career.
 
2012-12-19 01:28:17 AM
Jesus Christ, crazy gun people.

"HOW DARE ONE STORE CHAIN STOP SELLING SOME GUNS FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME" is not a sane farking thing to be outraged about.
 
2012-12-19 01:36:48 AM
In two weeks, the kids will all be buried, some watered down meaningless legislation may pass with great fanfare (with a sunset provision), and we go round again to the next great outrage.
 
2012-12-19 02:05:29 AM
You guys just spent a couple hours debating the best weapon to shoot up a school room. Think about that.
 
2012-12-19 02:13:29 AM
There's high, and there's low, and both of those will rip your dick off.

WKUK

/Aw hellll no
//Watch, this motherfarker's still gonna pay it.
///Nasty ass vacuum farkers.
 
2012-12-19 02:31:57 AM

redmid17: IDGAF.


You sure give a lot of fark for someone who doesn't give a fark. You're wrong, anyway.
 
2012-12-19 05:23:55 AM

ReapTheChaos: These kind of knee jerk reactions are pointless. It doesn't matter what kind of weapon this guy used, he was going to go to that school and kill those kids that day. If he couldn't get his hands on an assault type rifle he would have just used a hunting rifle, or a pistol, or whatever else he had lying around.


And therefore, Dick's should feel free to sell any kind of gun they want. Hell, they should ditch all the other sporting goods and just change their name to "Gundick's"!

/"He'll get it somewhere else" is not an argument against the decision. No matter how much you want it to be.
 
2012-12-19 09:32:15 AM

justanotherfarkinfarker: What was their sales volume of those anyway? They mostly sell deer shotguns and such


Not the ones down here in Raleigh; they had the semi-auto civilianized rifles right out there on display along with the pistols, shotguns and hunting rifles. The local news said yesterday Dick's had pulled all their semi-auto rifles off the shelves (but left the pistols) in sympathy to the Sandy Hook massacre, though.
 
2012-12-19 09:58:40 AM

James F. Campbell: redmid17: IDGAF.

 
You sure give a lot of fark for someone who doesn't give a fark. You're wrong, anyway.
 
 
I don't give a fark why he stopped killing criminals. He was kicking the shiat out of and killing criminals until comic #38, so suck it.You wouldn't have sites and stories like this and this  if he hadn't. They retconned some reason why he should no longer kill or use a gun. 
 
2012-12-19 10:14:13 AM

You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?


I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?
 
2012-12-19 10:43:37 AM

jaybeezey: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?

I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?


That all depends on which report you believe... the latest that I've heard is that he used the .223 to kill the kids and one of the 9s to kill himself.
 
2012-12-19 10:50:09 AM

GanjSmokr: jaybeezey: You Must Construct Additional Pylons.: Did all the kids come back life yet!?

I LOLed, then felt bad about it.

On the for reals though, you're going to pull evil black guns (AR-15) from the shelf even though the only one on the scene was in the trunk of the car and NOT actually used in the shootings?

Those kids were killed with 9mm handguns, how many of those are still on the shelf? Oh, all of them?

That all depends on which report you believe... the latest that I've heard is that he used the .223 to kill the kids and one of the 9s to kill himself.


I think the majority of the reports have settled on:

.223 (and possibly the pistols) to kill the kids
pistol to kill himself
shotgun in the trunk (previously reported to be a AR-15)

Of course that could just mean the majority of reporters are still wrong.
 
2012-12-19 11:26:17 AM
FTFC:

We are an armed society. Plain and simple. America's problem is not guns. Mass shootings were never commonplace years ago like they are today. Our children are products of Lazy and Absent parenting and that is the problem.
1. Parents need to be actively involved in their childrens' lives
2. Parents should not use XBOX 360 or PS3 as Babysitters
3. Actively Regulate what your kids watch on TV
4. Lessons in humility, compassion, love, and loss.
5. Don't blame TV, Video Games, Magazines, etc. for how your child has turned out. That is your fault for allowing them to intake that information. YOU ARE THE PARENT!!!!
6. If you are a gun owner, 1 simple step, LOCK THEM UP AND LOCK THE KEYS UP!!
7. MOST IMPORTANT, DO NOT PACIFY your child. If they loose, let them feel loss, don't give them anything they want, make them earn it. If they cry, kick, scream, stomp......don't give it to them. Stand your ground and your child will turn out to be a better person for it.


Not sure if serious, unintentional comedy, or subtle, sophisticated troll.
 
2012-12-19 11:41:16 AM

redmid17: Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.


Yes because heaven forbid an american wants an assault rifle when they can't get one.

that would be so completely horrible.

/cue world's tiniest violin
 
2012-12-19 11:51:19 AM
redmid17


ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.

Just looked at their website and it looks like they've taken down every semi-auto rifle. I was poking around their website last week for ammo prices before the shooting and saw Bushmasters up for sale.


Do they still sell the ammo
 
2012-12-19 11:55:02 AM
Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?
 
2012-12-19 11:57:50 AM

Buffalo77: redmid17


ha-ha-guy: I assume this is PR to ensure any protest rallies aren't held outside their stores. While Dicks might be selling various AR-15 style weapons, I'm sure plenty of other stores are.

Just looked at their website and it looks like they've taken down every semi-auto rifle. I was poking around their website last week for ammo prices before the shooting and saw Bushmasters up for sale.

Do they still sell the ammo


Yes.  http://search.gandermountain.com/?Ne=1000045&N=4665+4294949974&cname= C enterfire-Rifle
 

Red_Fox: redmid17: Your Gander Mountain might be out of stock. You can still order them online and get them shipped to the store.

Yes because heaven forbid an american wants an assault rifle when they can't get one.

that would be so completely horrible.

/cue world's tiniest violin


They ship it to the store and you still go through the entire background check and NICS form. It's no different than having a store transfer merchandise like a washing machine between locations. If he didn't order/transfer it online, he'd just wait for the next shipment.
 
2012-12-19 12:19:28 PM

Buffalo77: Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?


Technically neither. I thing the language used is eliminate the threat, incidently the best way to do that is through normally fatal damage to the CNS or blood vessels.

It's a myth that the M16 was designed to wound, I don't know where people got that from.
 
2012-12-19 03:30:09 PM

Buffalo77: Some one with knowledge help me out, Are assualt rifles designed to kill or to wound?


Depends on the ammo you use.
 
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