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(The Atlantic)   In a world of 3-D-printed guns, Chris Rock's "bullet control" makes more sense   (theatlantic.com) divider line 22
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2012-12-18 10:20:58 AM  
4 votes:

stratagos: vpb: stratagos: Because it of course is impossible to make your own bullets

Pretty much. Even re-loaders need supplies.

I'm willing to bet I can get lead, saltpeter, sulfer and charcoal if I set my mind to it


Who do you think your are?

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2012-12-18 10:31:07 AM  
3 votes:
The pro-gun crowd has argued themselves into a corner. If their argument is everyone have a gun, then every 6 year old needs a gun. If their argument is less gun control, then everyone should be able to buy bazookas. If their argument is more criminal prosecution, then every slightly weird person should be what? Locked up?

The jig is up, there's too many guns, too many powerful guns, too much gun worship and fetishes. Time to come down hard on these 100 round automatic killing machines.

They serve no purpose but to mass kill.
2012-12-18 10:29:17 AM  
3 votes:

Triumph: vpb: Gun nuts like to point at Switzerland

What's your definition of a "gun nut?" Someone who believes in the Bill of Rights?


He means anyone that doesn't piss themselves and sob uncontrollably in the corner at the thought of a firearm
2012-12-18 10:21:09 AM  
3 votes:

stratagos: Because it of course is impossible to make your own bullets


If somebody is committed enough to their cause to hammer copper sheets into misshapen bullet casings and refine their own urine into saltpeter for homemade gunpowder, I say let them do it.

They'll get about five rounds off before they jam their weapon, and then their compound will be leveled by a drone strike.
2012-12-18 10:20:32 AM  
3 votes:
Guns that explode after shooting a few rounds? Looks familiar...
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2012-12-18 10:26:13 AM  
2 votes:
What's to stop me from saving my brass and reloading my own bullets?

Lead is sooooo strong it can't be formed into a bullet without Remington's machines.
DERP DERP
2012-12-18 01:42:44 PM  
1 votes:

cig-mkr: 3-D printing isn't new by any means, we used to call it "stereolithography" in the early 90's.
Worked in a prototype NASA related machine shop that had one.
hush hush, top secret.


What's new is I can buy that formerly hush-hush machine for $800. And use it to print out MORE 3D printers.

Which is kinda cool, actually.
2012-12-18 12:02:39 PM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: educate me then. What cluster of mass shootings have we had before the 90s.?

(I'm not counting gang violence. That was a criminal directing death at other criminals.)


Are there any other special exemptions you'd like to carve out before I point you to the easily-discoverable Wikipedia page listing them?
2012-12-18 11:02:53 AM  
1 votes:
Not to threadjack (really), but I would laugh if Obama's proposal was to leave guns alone, but expand Obama care to include comprehensive mental health care. The sight of Tea Baggers embracing Obama care as an alternative to oppressive gun control would be luls worthy.
2012-12-18 10:38:22 AM  
1 votes:
3-D printing isn't new by any means, we used to call it "stereolithography" in the early 90's.
Worked in a prototype NASA related machine shop that had one.
hush hush, top secret.
2012-12-18 10:36:58 AM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: If you make bullets harder to get, more people will get into reloading and we'll have a whole cottage industry of selling reloads.


That's illegal without a federal firearms license.
2012-12-18 10:35:43 AM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Except they make 3d printers that will print in steel or titanium...


I am aware of prototyping machines that can work titanium. They are readily available if you'd like to trade your house for one. I mean, assuming your house is worth enough.

As for steel, I'm pretty sure all the 3d printing applications that use the material are a mixture of stainless steel and bronze. Even then the produced components wouldn't hold up if used in a firearm. It's stronger than the polymers used in typical 3d printing but you could still destroy the resulting object with your bare hands.

You'd be better off simply beating people to death some part from the printer itself.
2012-12-18 10:35:18 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: poot_rootbeer: MythDragon: If guns were the cause of shootings, where have all the mass school and mall shootings been for the last 90 or so years? It's only been in the past 10 years that we've had crazies walking into a building and start shooting kids.

This is incorrect.

educate me then. What cluster of mass shootings have we had before the 90s.?

(I'm not counting gang violence. That was a criminal directing death at other criminals.)


there was that fella in texas in the bell tower. think that was the 60s. but that wasn't the norm back then. i was wearing an onion tied to my belt, as was the style at the time
2012-12-18 10:34:28 AM  
1 votes:

johnnyrocket: The pro-gun crowd has argued themselves into a corner. If their argument is everyone have a gun, then every 6 year old needs a gun. If their argument is less gun control, then everyone should be able to buy bazookas. If their argument is more criminal prosecution, then every slightly weird person should be what? Locked up?

The jig is up, there's too many guns, too many powerful guns, too much gun worship and fetishes. Time to come down hard on these 100 round automatic killing machines.

They serve no purpose but to mass kill.


3/10

/had me until "100 round automatic killing machines"
2012-12-18 10:33:42 AM  
1 votes:

Psycoholic_Slag: Meh.
Black Market weapons imported from foreign countries will work just fine.


That would be kind of funny if we legalized weed and banned guns so Mexico just ends up importing weapons to keep up some sort of illegal trade
2012-12-18 10:31:28 AM  
1 votes:

Coolfusis:
This is not a problem we can just wave away with a simple amount of legislation. It's going to require a multi-step buyback of firearms, investment in mental health programs, regulation of magazines and ammunition, and probably some serious cultural changes (specifically the media) before tragedies like Sandy Hook stop happening. It will be long, hard and really goddamn expensive. It will be immensely unpopular - the left will say it's not good enough, the right will say it's too much, but it's the only real option.


Hey there, stop making sense! We want easy solutions that should please everyone at once, if you don't have that we don't want to hear it! Good day, sir!
2012-12-18 10:27:52 AM  
1 votes:

black_knight: Guns that explode after shooting a few rounds? Looks familiar...
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I wish they made guns like that. I have a really hard time reloading weapons since I lost both of my thumbs in a horrifc foreplay accident.
2012-12-18 10:24:59 AM  
1 votes:
It looks to me like we need to regulate 3-D printers if this is the case.
2012-12-18 10:21:45 AM  
1 votes:

Triumph: vpb: Gun nuts like to point at Switzerland

What's your definition of a "gun nut?" Someone who believes in the Bill of Rights?


Believing in the Bill of Rights makes you a radical these days.
2012-12-18 10:16:24 AM  
1 votes:
We do not live in a world of 3-d printed guns.
2012-12-18 09:57:24 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: Gun nuts like to point at Switzerland


What's your definition of a "gun nut?" Someone who believes in the Bill of Rights?
2012-12-18 09:06:54 AM  
1 votes:
Uh. Any gun manufactured like that would fall apart after a few rounds. It requires well-made metal parts that are machined to fit perfectly, or the sheer force from the round will rip it to shreds. Newton's laws, and all that.

Also, bulletsaren't terribly difficult to make, nor is gunpowder. The primers could cause issue, reloading them is really, really dangerous.

This is not a problem we can just wave away with a simple amount of legislation. It's going to require a multi-step buyback of firearms, investment in mental health programs, regulation of magazines and ammunition, and probably some serious cultural changes (specifically the media) before tragedies like Sandy Hook stop happening. It will be long, hard and really goddamn expensive. It will be immensely unpopular - the left will say it's not good enough, the right will say it's too much, but it's the only real option.
 
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