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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Mexicans crossing the border into Texas and Arizona continue to be a drain on the economy, mostly due to the combined $6.5 billion they spend on US retail goods   (wfaa.com) divider line 71
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2012-12-17 09:04:55 PM
Yeah yeah yeah well their gasoline exhaust stinks and they drive too slow! There, I thought of something to complain about.
 
2012-12-17 09:27:02 PM
"We pay for meals," said Hilda Moreno. "We pay for everything and we spend less than Mexico. Can you believe it?"

The fact that it's cheaper to shop in the US than it is in Mexico makes me vaguely sad for some reason. As if some significant milestone has been passed.
 
2012-12-17 09:35:18 PM
Without immigration, we would not be growing at 3% and would be facing the same demographic challenges that other nations are facing. Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage at which point the grandchildren of the derpers will be fighting tooth and nail to get people to come here.
 
2012-12-17 09:41:42 PM

fusillade762: The fact that it's cheaper to shop in the US than it is in Mexico makes me vaguely sad for some reason. As if some significant milestone has been passed.


Sadly, I've watched my home state turn into a third world craphole. Not because of the influx of of illegal immigrants, but because of the policies of the Republican party of Texas. Our educational system is one of the worst in the nation, all the jobs they claim that are created here are little more than minimum wage and sub-minimum wage service industry jobs. And the nitwits keep lining up to vote against their own best self-interests and elect Perry and his band of boneheads just because they promise to stick it to *wink* "those people" *wink*.
 
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2012-12-17 09:47:50 PM
Can we trade the native Texans and Arizonans for Mexicans?
 
2012-12-17 10:08:09 PM

Mentat: Without immigration, we would not be growing at 3% and would be facing the same demographic challenges that other nations are facing. Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage at which point the grandchildren of the derpers will be fighting tooth and nail to get people to come here.


It's almost as if everything in life is cyclical.
 
2012-12-17 10:18:55 PM
They gotta go somewhere to spend all that money we're sending out of the US into Mexico (both legally and illegally). Might as well come back across the border and spend it here... The money will be headed back to Mexico again anyway, so everybody wins.
 
2012-12-17 10:36:11 PM
I've been in McAllen a lot the past few weeks, Quite a few Mexico plated cars there, that's for sure. Makes up for the lack of Winter Texans that stay away now.
 
2012-12-17 10:37:03 PM
Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!
 
2012-12-17 10:38:19 PM

Mentat: Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage


Automation and robotics will probably offset some of that. Apple wants as few people on the assembly line as possible. Amazon bought out a company that specializes in large scale warehouse automation. Some people are talking about computer driven freight trucks being reality by the end of the decade.

We'll need a lot less people to build and move stuff in the future.
 
2012-12-17 10:39:57 PM

fusillade762: "We pay for meals," said Hilda Moreno. "We pay for everything and we spend less than Mexico. Can you believe it?"

The fact that it's cheaper to shop in the US than it is in Mexico makes me vaguely sad for some reason. As if some significant milestone has been passed.


Food is scarce, relatively, in Mexico. And they lack major ports for cheap Chinese imports, so most goes through the US first.
 
2012-12-17 10:56:46 PM

fusillade762: "We pay for meals," said Hilda Moreno. "We pay for everything and we spend less than Mexico. Can you believe it?"

The fact that it's cheaper to shop in the US than it is in Mexico makes me vaguely sad for some reason. As if some significant milestone has been passed.


It's not sad, it's the point. We traded our jobs for cheaper goods.

It's often cheaper to shop in the US than it is in China, especially for luxury brands.

Link
 
2012-12-17 11:19:59 PM

Balchinian: Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!


If any state is a penal colony, it's Georgia.

Also, study up on the effects of low immigration and Japan, They are going to regress with their low birth rate, racist anti-immigrant policies and stagnation.
 
2012-12-17 11:21:29 PM

Balchinian: Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!


You are wrong. They are not criminals. It is not a criminal offense to be in this country without the proper paperwork. It is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket.
 
2012-12-17 11:26:29 PM
The wife and I hit the premium outlet stores in Vegas a few weeks ago while we were in town. About a fifth of the people were Chinese tourists. We ended up in the Coach store where I shared a bench with an older Chinese man. He already had a few thousand in designer handbags and shoes at his feet. My wife came up to me for approval regarding wallets. His wife came up with a bunch of handbags. From the defeated look on his face, I figured she wasn't asking which one, but rather, was showing all that she wanted. Must have been five or six grand worth.

While in the elevator for the parking garage, we shared a ride with a gaggle of women from some Spanish speaking country. They had bag after bag filled with Armani, Coach, Ferragamo and more. From what I saw peeking out, they all probably had over $15K worth of stuff.

I felt very lucky getting out of there with as little as we had.
 
2012-12-17 11:43:31 PM

revrendjim: Balchinian: Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!

You are wrong. They are not criminals. It is not a criminal offense to be in this country without the proper paperwork. It is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket.


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Didn't know you could do prison time for a parking ticket.

There are several laws that illegal aliens are breaking. The first law that all illegal aliens are breaking is 8 U.S.C. 1325(a), which states:

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

In addition, there are additional statutes that are broken if you enter legally but overstay your visa. Also, most illegal immigrants break a host of other laws while in America. For example, to gain employment you must attest to the fact that you have the right to work in America, which all illegals violate if they work. Most actually engage in identity theft and use someone else's SSN or other documents to gain employment or public benefits.
 
2012-12-17 11:49:01 PM

Balchinian: Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!


Okay, that made me chuckle.
 
2012-12-18 12:13:12 AM
while simultaneously lowering GDP per capita
 
2012-12-18 12:16:16 AM
It's estimated that Mexicans (both legal and illegal immigrants) sent about $23B back to Mexico last year. When they spend the balance here I'll be impressed.
 
2012-12-18 12:32:14 AM

tjfly: revrendjim: Balchinian: Fark you Subby, it is still illegal. Get them out, and get the people who help hide them here out as well. They are all criminals. Fark it, we should turn Hawaii into the new Australian-style penal colony and ship all the invaders and serious criminals there. Let them work it out amongst themselves.

What, you don't think things would improve in this country if we did that? Shiat, it worked so well for England that their cops didn't even need guns until recently.

And as for the "threat" of a worker shortage, that is exactly what this country needs! Worker shortages means higher wages, which means people with a job can actually support a family. That isn't a threat, it is a farking blessing!

You are wrong. They are not criminals. It is not a criminal offense to be in this country without the proper paperwork. It is a civil infraction, like a parking ticket.

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Didn't know you could do prison time for a parking ticket.

There are several laws that illegal aliens are breaking. The first law that all illegal aliens are breaking is 8 U.S.C. 1325(a), which states:

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who
(1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or
(2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or
(3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

In addition, there are additional statutes that are broken if you enter legally but overstay your visa. Also, most illeg ...


Then maybe you guys should help settle the chaos that the drug prohibition is causing down there, instead of spending billions trying to find a guy in a cave thats in a completely different country.
 
2012-12-18 12:46:22 AM
Institutionalized bribery and corruption were in Mexico long before drug prohibition. Ending drug prohibition will not end these problems.

What kind of idiot business executive would open operations in a place where bureaucrats have their hands out for Mordidas 24/7?

Yes, Chicago is corrupt. But people aren't willing to walk through Wisconsin or Dupage County to get out of Chicago.
 
2012-12-18 12:47:56 AM

Mentat: Without immigration, we would not be growing at 3% and would be facing the same demographic challenges that other nations are facing. Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage at which point the grandchildren of the derpers will be fighting tooth and nail to get people to come here.


We let in a million legal immigrants a year, more than the rest of the world combined, and the wait to immigrate legally is years long. We're not facing any shortages in terms of sheer numbers, and aren't likely to, so whatever motion picture is playing inside your head, it's based on fantasy or fiction. The only worker shortages we face are of people with skills, because a lot of the immigrants we're letting in are for "family reunification" purposes, meaning they can be as dumb and unskilled as the products of American schools.
 
2012-12-18 12:49:29 AM

adeist69: It's estimated that Mexicans (both legal and illegal immigrants) sent about $23B back to Mexico last year. When they spend the balance here I'll be impressed.


This article isn't about those people you dumbass. This article is about people perfectly happy living in Mexican border towns choosing to take day trips to Xmas shop in an American border town rather than their hometown.
 
2012-12-18 01:11:33 AM

Mentat: Without immigration, we would not be growing at 3% and would be facing the same demographic challenges that other nations are facing. Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage at which point the grandchildren of the derpers will be fighting tooth and nail to get people to come here.


Without slavery, we would not have any cotton in this country. Oh, wait.,....

americanenterprise.si.edu

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2012-12-18 01:42:02 AM

Anonymocoso: Institutionalized bribery and corruption were in Mexico long before drug prohibition. Ending drug prohibition will not end these problems.


Congratulations on winning an argument that nobody has ever made!
 
2012-12-18 01:45:51 AM

vpb: Can we trade the native Texans and Arizonans for Mexicans?


IIRC, The Mennonites founded some German-speaking communities in Mexico, maybe some of the 'Baggers from Texas and Arizona could do the same today...

/ Actually, those people would be eating their own within a generation...
 
2012-12-18 02:04:56 AM
Wait'll the teabaggers find out that foreign nationals can legally enter the US as tourists and spend money here. That'll piss 'em right off.
 
2012-12-18 02:15:20 AM
Yeah, this is a specious argument, subby.

Where the FARK do you expect them to spend their illegally gotten wages AFTER they send half of it back to their home countries?

They LIVE in the US, they are NOT going to wait and drive to Mexico to buy groceries.

Idiot.
 
2012-12-18 02:28:05 AM

douchebag/hater: Yeah, this is a specious argument, subby.

Where the FARK do you expect them to spend their illegally gotten wages AFTER they send half of it back to their home countries?

They LIVE in the US, they are NOT going to wait and drive to Mexico to buy groceries.

Idiot.


You didn't read TFA, did you?
 
2012-12-18 05:18:23 AM
From my experience they're spending all that money in charity thrift stores.
 
2012-12-18 05:47:01 AM
the amoutn of anti mexican racism in these threads is always appalling to me. i thought americans were just supposed to hate their own black people and arabs, didnt realize it spread to mexicans in the same way.
 
2012-12-18 06:22:21 AM

Father_Jack: the amoutn of anti mexican racism in these threads is always appalling to me. i thought americans were just supposed to hate their own black people and arabs, didnt realize it spread to mexicans in the same way.


No, they hate all brown, black and quadroon people equally.
 
2012-12-18 06:26:19 AM

Dog Welder: Father_Jack: the amoutn of anti mexican racism in these threads is always appalling to me. i thought americans were just supposed to hate their own black people and arabs, didnt realize it spread to mexicans in the same way.

No, they hate all brown, black and quadroon people equally.


I dont care whom I live next to as long as they are an American or here legally.
 
2012-12-18 06:47:37 AM

12349876: adeist69: It's estimated that Mexicans (both legal and illegal immigrants) sent about $23B back to Mexico last year. When they spend the balance here I'll be impressed.

This article isn't about those people you dumbass. This article is about people perfectly happy living in Mexican border towns choosing to take day trips to Xmas shop and visit emergency rooms for medical attention in an American border town rather than their hometown.



/FTFY
 
2012-12-18 07:06:08 AM
How does that balance out with regards to the money sent out of the country and the cost to social services?
 
2012-12-18 07:23:18 AM
I'd buy more stuff if my income was untaxed.
 
2012-12-18 07:39:49 AM
Mexican Americans
Love education
So they go to night school
And take Spanish
And get a B
 
2012-12-18 08:53:11 AM
You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Fark, and I won't have it! Is that clear?

You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Mexicans have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today!

And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU... WILL... ATONE!

Am I getting through to you, Fark? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state, Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Fark. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Fark. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Fark, to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Fark, to preach this evangel.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:08 AM

Mentat: Once the Baby Boomers start dying off, we'll be facing a global worker shortage....


Since a strong job market recovery is nowhere on the horizon I say we place our bets on this projected "worker shortage" instead of preparing for something that probably won't happen.
 
2012-12-18 09:16:00 AM
I remember reading a similar article about how great it was that Mexican shoppers where pumping money into the San Diego area. Only thing was San Diego area shoppers were spending twice as much going over and shopping in Mexico.
 
2012-12-18 09:18:21 AM
$6.5B in spent money that wasn't taxed. Thats $2B missing from income tax.
 
2012-12-18 09:20:17 AM

PacManDreaming: fusillade762: The fact that it's cheaper to shop in the US than it is in Mexico makes me vaguely sad for some reason. As if some significant milestone has been passed.

Sadly, I've watched my home state turn into a third world craphole. Not because of the influx of of illegal immigrants, but because of the policies of the Republican party of Texas. Our educational system is one of the worst in the nation, all the jobs they claim that are created here are little more than minimum wage and sub-minimum wage service industry jobs. And the nitwits keep lining up to vote against their own best self-interests and elect Perry and his band of boneheads just because they promise to stick it to *wink* "those people" *wink*.


It is cute that you think that "third world crapholes" have internet access and total fark subscriptions.
 
2012-12-18 09:23:07 AM

Dinjiin: The wife and I hit the premium outlet stores in Vegas a few weeks ago while we were in town. About a fifth of the people were Chinese tourists. We ended up in the Coach store where I shared a bench with an older Chinese man. He already had a few thousand in designer handbags and shoes at his feet. My wife came up to me for approval regarding wallets. His wife came up with a bunch of handbags. From the defeated look on his face, I figured she wasn't asking which one, but rather, was showing all that she wanted. Must have been five or six grand worth.

While in the elevator for the parking garage, we shared a ride with a gaggle of women from some Spanish speaking country. They had bag after bag filled with Armani, Coach, Ferragamo and more. From what I saw peeking out, they all probably had over $15K worth of stuff.

I felt very lucky getting out of there with as little as we had.


Thanks for the completely unrelated post.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:25 AM
vpb

Can we trade the native Texans and Arizonans for Mexicans?

I can send you all the Mexicans you need. You wife and daughter already have orders in.
 
2012-12-18 09:38:20 AM

Bullseyed: $6.5B in spent money that wasn't taxed. Thats $2B missing from income tax.


at least your still getting a sales tax? Even though most of these families won't make enough to owe any money at the end of the year and most likely receive a full refund, I also wonder, how much the gov is actually missing out on?

With a clear path to citizenship maybe the gov could start taxing some of that income? but then again a lot of that income is probably paid in cash and below livable wages...Lots of ins and lots of outs in this derned ole situation.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:00 AM
link about illegals impact on California alone

According to the above link, illegals cost California 10.5 billion. That's ONE state, subby!
 
2012-12-18 09:45:18 AM
this study refers to total US cost for illegals

The above study says that in total, the US is hit for a $100B bill for illegals EACH YEAR.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:40 AM
 
2012-12-18 09:48:16 AM
Border towns you can pretty much go and come as please. Take a look at Rio Grande City on Texas Border. Town of 12,000. There are 600 seniors in the high school, not enrolled, just seniors. Rio grande high school educates a large majority of mexican nationals who walk back across the bridge every night.

McAllen Reynosa Metropolitan Area is 1,700,000 people. What border you talking about.

As long as you dont go inland more than 30 miles into the US, you're ok.
 
2012-12-18 09:51:01 AM
I'm amazed at the number of you Farkers that completely missed the point of TFA, or were successfully trolled by my headline..

The point was, Mexican citizens that enter our country LEGALLY on tourist visas (and then go home when their cars are full of American-purchased goods) are a significant boost to our economy. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

Canadians do the same thing in PA. 

/subby
 
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