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(The Consumerist)   Hasbro to begin making gender neutral Easy Bake Oven after online petition gets over 44,000 signatures   (consumerist.com) divider line 37
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2012-12-17 11:26:18 PM  
4 votes:
Most homes already have a gender-neutral oven. It's about the size of a washing machine and lives in the kitchen. Parental guidance advised.
2012-12-17 10:44:11 PM  
3 votes:
I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.
2012-12-17 10:12:43 PM  
3 votes:
Shouldn't they have been doing this all along?

Or is it because boys don't like pink anymore?
2012-12-17 11:31:16 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
Unavailable for comment.
2012-12-17 11:15:59 PM  
2 votes:

Theaetetus:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.


Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli. Put a bunch of little kids in a room, you will see the girls begin to form groups and talk and play games with each other while the boys are attaching each other and throwing things around. You can try and bend their behavior as much as you want, you will never succeed, it is hardwired into them. You can do this again and again as much as you want with as many kids as you want and you will always see similar results.

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.
2012-12-17 11:09:41 PM  
2 votes:
I never got the EZ-Bake Oven.

I wanted one when I was about six. Pink be damned, I wanted to eat fresh farkin' cookies.

I told this to my parents, who informed me to look left. There was a meter high actual oven at my disposal. A stove and a hundred pots, pans, spoons, and such as well.

I no longer wanted an EZ-Bake Oven.
2012-12-17 11:04:13 PM  
2 votes:

ElBarto79: Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys?


Yes, when "appealing to girls or boys" isn't actually an inherent or intrinsic quality in the "stuff", and it only does so because of extrinsic marketing. In other words, if boys are or are not playing with toy [x] because of your gendered advertising, then you're the one causing the difference in appeal, not the toy.

In this case, the boy wants to play with an oven. So why design toy ovens to suppress that appeal?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different.

Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.
2012-12-17 10:53:46 PM  
2 votes:

CruJones: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Ever think its simply to sell more?


This was all due to some 4 year old boy who liked to cook who had a 13 year old sister who wants to be an activist. Of those 44,000 people who signed the petition, they'll probably sell an additional 100 units or so.
2012-12-17 10:46:49 PM  
2 votes:
They already sell Easy Bake Ovens to boys:

hellogiggles.com

/like a bare light bulb
2012-12-17 10:46:20 PM  
2 votes:
It's good to hear their expanding their marketing to guys. Nothing gets you laid faster than being able to cook well.
2012-12-17 10:17:59 PM  
2 votes:
www.ilovethe80s.com

Looks pretty gender neutral to me
2012-12-18 04:37:23 AM  
1 votes:
...after online petition gets over 44,000 signatures

So in other words, more signatures than the average WhiteHouse.com secession petition.

Kinda puts that whole silliness in perspective, doesn't it?
2012-12-18 03:28:06 AM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".


Not so much.

Fact is: Hormones heavily influence a lot about how we behave, and indeed, think. Depression, satisfaction, bonding, etc. The results are easily seen in people and lab rats alike when you add or remove(or block) hormones from their systems.

Testosterone and Estrogen play a large role in the behavior of all sorts of animals. It's very known that testosterone makes for aggression, for example, in pretty much all mammals.

Oxytocin also is a thing to be considered. Women have more receptors for it. In addition to it's bonding/empathy properties it can also impair some types of cognitive learning, but also increase social learning.

To pretend such things are not a heavy factor is borderline delusional. You rant about "anecdotal evidence", even when studies support our individual observations, and the fact that a LOT of us have the same anecdotal evidence(making it less anecdotal and more of a cloud of very similar findings, hundreds of observations of thousands of children....It's a collaborative effort, not simple anecdotal evidence).

All in all you sound like a religious person who's denying science because "God IS love, God granted us emotions."

Science threatens your mistaken world view so you lash out at it.

What I find consistently entertaining is how this overly liberal view of "born that way" is constantly at odds with "society makes us do what we do". "Women are STRONG but need protected from being influenced by the media" This blaming of society for "gender roles" is at odds with "boys shouldn't have to play with pink toys".

I know I won't convince you of the error of your ways, pretty much all zealots are that way. Please, continue to amuse us.
2012-12-18 12:55:10 AM  
1 votes:
How long before we find out that the whole whoop-de-doo was just a viral marketing campaign?

/yes, I'm cynical
//loved those EZBake muffins when I was a kid. Mmmmm. Banana-nut with a hint of burnt plastic
2012-12-18 12:41:56 AM  
1 votes:

brug: Even if no boys ever bought the oven, why shouldn't it come in black and silver? Real ovens come in black and silver. The recommended age for this toy is 8+ - and as the parent of an 8-year-old, I know at least SOME of the kids of this age are very interested in "grown up" looking stuff, and not just cutesy kid toys.


And some kids just prefer things that don't look tacky.

The only thing I've seen in that eggplant purple with swirly things look is a PT Cruiser. Personally, I think it's a great anti-crime move because the only person who will steal such a car is another middle aged white lady.
2012-12-18 12:32:55 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.


The blue for boys and pink for girls is 100% cultural. Used to be the reverse.
2012-12-18 12:31:46 AM  
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: I'm still waiting for the "E-Z Barbeque Grill"


Or the E-Z Home Distillery. That would be educational and maybe even profitable, too.
2012-12-18 12:30:57 AM  
1 votes:
Even if no boys ever bought the oven, why shouldn't it come in black and silver? Real ovens come in black and silver. The recommended age for this toy is 8+ - and as the parent of an 8-year-old, I know at least SOME of the kids of this age are very interested in "grown up" looking stuff, and not just cutesy kid toys.

I might just buy this for my boys. And no, I don't care if it doesn't work that well. Our kids like to play with real stuff, and it scares the heck out of me.
2012-12-18 12:22:52 AM  
1 votes:
I'm still waiting for the "E-Z Barbeque Grill"
2012-12-18 12:18:56 AM  
1 votes:
What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.
2012-12-18 12:03:31 AM  
1 votes:

ElBarto79: Theaetetus: ElBarto79: Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.

Aw, u mad, bro? I'm sorry if my snark and mockery made you tear up. I honestly didn't mean you to take it harshly, but rather to question some of your incorrect assumptions.

No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period.

I'm amused by the fact that you think your third sentence is consistent with your second.

The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.

... and that's it, thread over. We've gone to Extreme Derp.

Like I said, the fallback position of snark and mockery. This tells me all I need to know. Have a nice night.


Dude, you're claiming mass shootings are the result of Easy Bake ovens not being pink enough. You expect me not to snark and mock you? Hell, I've got you farky'd so that I can remember to mock you for this in the future!
2012-12-17 11:46:02 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.

Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences?


/facepalm

Maybe you should stop Farking for the evening. You're starting to become a parody of yourself.
2012-12-17 11:46:00 PM  
1 votes:
Eh, teach a kid how to cook by cooking with a real appliance. Easy Bake Ovens are bullshiat, regardless of the color.
2012-12-17 11:40:40 PM  
1 votes:
You know who else had gender neutral ovens?
2012-12-17 11:38:42 PM  
1 votes:

saxchick: CSB time:

My five year old nephew wanted an ez-bake for Christmas so badly, but he begged us to get it for him and not tell Santa (or anyone else) he wanted "a girl oven." This happened about 10 years ago, but I was shocked that my nephew was already aware of gender issues by then.


A few years back, my 2 and a half year old niece got a wooden house with assorted toy fixtures for Christmas. Her older brother, then 4, joined her in playing with it... to which his grandfather angrily told him that that was a girl toy, he wasn't allowed to use it, and he should play with toy guns instead.

/but yeah, children's choices in toys are solely due to their genitals...
2012-12-17 11:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

buckler: Most homes already have a gender-neutral oven. It's about the size of a washing machine and lives in the kitchen. Parental guidance advised.


This. Kids should learn how to bake for real. It's not that hard. The results will be more consistent and better than the EZ bake work. And you get to spend time with your kids. Sounds like a win win.
2012-12-17 11:29:15 PM  
1 votes:

ElBarto79: Theaetetus:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.

Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli.


Where did you get your medical degree from, and what research have you done on the endocrine system in infants?

First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.

(i) The people that say "gender is simply a social construct" don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth, because I'll call you on it every single time.
(ii) The people that say "behavior... is hardwired into them" do exist, and, as shown above, have no credibility due to their lack of science or logic.

There are biological differences between the sexes. No one claims there are not (although there are plenty who will claim that someone says that, but you don't know her, she's from Canada. It's called straw feminism).
There are also differences between the sexes that are caused by social influences. Attempting to deny that means you're simply not looking at reality.
2012-12-17 11:20:47 PM  
1 votes:
A visual history of the Easy Bake Oven.

What I want to know is, what are they going to cook with once the 100 watt light bulb dissapears?
2012-12-17 11:16:41 PM  
1 votes:
www.woosk.com


/Obligatory
//Not that there's anything wrong with that
2012-12-17 11:16:15 PM  
1 votes:

SinisterDexter: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Some things I can see why they girly-up to better sell to girls. Some things I'm not so sure about, like Lego. NPR had a story this morning about a new campaign targeting girls. I can see that it might help some, but on the other hand both of my girls like Lego fine, as they are. Then some things are just plain silly; like toddler toys that are usually in primary colors, but then are offered in pinks and pastels. What's the point of that? Do we need to establish that primary colors are for boys by offering a girl alternative?


i.huffpost.com
Lego used to be gender neutral... About 15 years ago, they dropped that and started forcing a gender dichotomy in the sets, with sets that were explicitly for girls lacking moving parts or even very many generic parts. Instead, it's all pre-built stuff, more like Duplo.
2012-12-17 11:07:59 PM  
1 votes:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people would stop using "feminist" to describe a) what a few people on the internet or TV said once or, more importantly, b) what they think "feminists" say.
2012-12-17 10:55:34 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't they try and make a more realistic Barbie Doll awhile back and no one bought it? Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys? Why does everything have to be gender neutral and co-educational?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different. Some things may appeal to men more than women and vice versa and women may be better at certain tasks than men and vice versa. This is not a bad thing.
2012-12-17 10:50:19 PM  
1 votes:
There's nothing like filling the house with the smell of melting toy soldiers.
2012-12-17 10:50:01 PM  
1 votes:
Couldn't you just have bought your kid a toaster oven? I mean isn't that what the girly one is, since they got rid of the light bulb? A toaster oven in purple with a 400% markup?
2012-12-17 10:47:42 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


probably a toy with a heating element in it that needs to be plugged in and isn't pink, doesn't have flowers painted on it... just a guess...

/easy-bake
//lh6.googleusercontent.com
2012-12-17 10:44:22 PM  
1 votes:
People have too much god damned time on their hands.
2012-12-17 10:41:14 PM  
1 votes:
What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?
 
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