Theaetetus: Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.
ElBarto79: Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys?
CruJones: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.Ever think its simply to sell more?
Theaetetus: First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".
brug: Even if no boys ever bought the oven, why shouldn't it come in black and silver? Real ovens come in black and silver. The recommended age for this toy is 8+ - and as the parent of an 8-year-old, I know at least SOME of the kids of this age are very interested in "grown up" looking stuff, and not just cutesy kid toys.
Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.
RedPhoenix122: I'm still waiting for the "E-Z Barbeque Grill"
ElBarto79: Theaetetus: ElBarto79: Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.Aw, u mad, bro? I'm sorry if my snark and mockery made you tear up. I honestly didn't mean you to take it harshly, but rather to question some of your incorrect assumptions.No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period.I'm amused by the fact that you think your third sentence is consistent with your second.The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.... and that's it, thread over. We've gone to Extreme Derp.Like I said, the fallback position of snark and mockery. This tells me all I need to know. Have a nice night.
Gyrfalcon: Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences?
saxchick: CSB time:My five year old nephew wanted an ez-bake for Christmas so badly, but he begged us to get it for him and not tell Santa (or anyone else) he wanted "a girl oven." This happened about 10 years ago, but I was shocked that my nephew was already aware of gender issues by then.
buckler: Most homes already have a gender-neutral oven. It's about the size of a washing machine and lives in the kitchen. Parental guidance advised.
ElBarto79: Theaetetus:Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli.
SinisterDexter: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.Some things I can see why they girly-up to better sell to girls. Some things I'm not so sure about, like Lego. NPR had a story this morning about a new campaign targeting girls. I can see that it might help some, but on the other hand both of my girls like Lego fine, as they are. Then some things are just plain silly; like toddler toys that are usually in primary colors, but then are offered in pinks and pastels. What's the point of that? Do we need to establish that primary colors are for boys by offering a girl alternative?
Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?
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