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2012-12-17 10:12:43 PM  
Shouldn't they have been doing this all along?

Or is it because boys don't like pink anymore?
 
2012-12-17 10:17:59 PM  
www.ilovethe80s.com

Looks pretty gender neutral to me
 
2012-12-17 10:37:49 PM  

Donnchadha: [www.ilovethe80s.com image 279x165]

Looks pretty gender neutral to me


What color is your apron?
 
2012-12-17 10:39:41 PM  

Balchinian: Donnchadha: [www.ilovethe80s.com image 279x165]

Looks pretty gender neutral to me

What color is your apron?


Red & White Buffalo Check with a white trim!
 
2012-12-17 10:41:14 PM  
What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?
 
2012-12-17 10:41:22 PM  

Donnchadha: [www.ilovethe80s.com image 279x165]

Looks pretty gender neutral to me


That's the old style.

The new style is pink and round.
 
2012-12-17 10:42:50 PM  
This is the most significant cultural milestone since 1985 when Hasbro stopped making a "WHITES ONLY" EZ-Bake oven.
 
2012-12-17 10:43:36 PM  
Nation... Of... Sallys...
 
2012-12-17 10:43:37 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-17 10:43:42 PM  
Hence the name Hasbro, bro
 
2012-12-17 10:43:47 PM  
Wait, she thinks purple is "girly"? Nice job filling you bigot daughter with preconceived societal bullshiat, parents!
 
2012-12-17 10:44:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


Avocado Green.
 
2012-12-17 10:44:11 PM  
I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.
 
2012-12-17 10:44:22 PM  
People have too much god damned time on their hands.
 
2012-12-17 10:45:39 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: This is the most significant cultural milestone since 1985 when Hasbro stopped making a "WHITES ONLY" EZ-Bake oven.


...which itself is a knockoff of a German design from several decades earlier that we'd like to forget about.
 
2012-12-17 10:45:55 PM  
Get back in the kitchen and cook me a turkey pot pie, biznatch!
 
2012-12-17 10:46:20 PM  
It's good to hear their expanding their marketing to guys. Nothing gets you laid faster than being able to cook well.
 
2012-12-17 10:46:49 PM  
They already sell Easy Bake Ovens to boys:

hellogiggles.com

/like a bare light bulb
 
2012-12-17 10:46:56 PM  
Er marketing to boys*
 
2012-12-17 10:47:31 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: It's good to hear their expanding their marketing to guys. Nothing gets you laid faster than being able to cook well.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-17 10:47:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


probably a toy with a heating element in it that needs to be plugged in and isn't pink, doesn't have flowers painted on it... just a guess...

/easy-bake
//lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-17 10:47:56 PM  
I consider it a natural progression since more women than men are getting degrees, entering the workforce and becoming managers. See: The End of Men. Soon it'll be normal for the boys to play house and girls to have all the 'occupational' toys.

/doing my part as a SAHD for ten years
 
2012-12-17 10:48:12 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: This is the most significant cultural milestone since 1985 when Hasbro stopped making a "WHITES ONLY" EZ-Bake oven.



And before that you have to go back to 1945 where Krupps stopped making a "Jews Only" EZ-Bake oven.


/Progress : may not always happen as fast as we want, but it does happen
 
2012-12-17 10:48:32 PM  
The other day I discovered that Fisher-Price now makes two versions of their doctor's kit: the traditional blue and yellow, and a new pink and yellow. Why does everything have to have a gender assignment?

\Interestingly, both boxes had a picture of a girl on them.
 
2012-12-17 10:49:12 PM  

vudukungfu: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: It's good to hear their expanding their marketing to guys. Nothing gets you laid faster than being able to cook well.

Agreed.


I'm Italian -- I came out of mom's vagina with a spatula

/or something
//cooking is not difficult
 
2012-12-17 10:49:46 PM  
Please everybody, spay or neuter your appliances.
 
2012-12-17 10:49:49 PM  

jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.


Ever think its simply to sell more?
 
2012-12-17 10:50:01 PM  
Couldn't you just have bought your kid a toaster oven? I mean isn't that what the girly one is, since they got rid of the light bulb? A toaster oven in purple with a 400% markup?
 
2012-12-17 10:50:05 PM  
Wait, I thought that the progressive argument was that pink was gender neutral, and that its even ok for boys should be wearing skirts? I don't really care either way, just get confused when I see praise over dads letting boys dress like girls and then others complaining about a pink oven.

Is pink ok for boys or not?

Are these different groups of people?
 
2012-12-17 10:50:19 PM  
There's nothing like filling the house with the smell of melting toy soldiers.
 
2012-12-17 10:53:46 PM  

CruJones: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Ever think its simply to sell more?


This was all due to some 4 year old boy who liked to cook who had a 13 year old sister who wants to be an activist. Of those 44,000 people who signed the petition, they'll probably sell an additional 100 units or so.
 
2012-12-17 10:55:34 PM  
Didn't they try and make a more realistic Barbie Doll awhile back and no one bought it? Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys? Why does everything have to be gender neutral and co-educational?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different. Some things may appeal to men more than women and vice versa and women may be better at certain tasks than men and vice versa. This is not a bad thing.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:24 PM  

ElBarto79: Didn't they try and make a more realistic Barbie Doll awhile back and no one bought it? Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys? Why does everything have to be gender neutral and co-educational?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different. Some things may appeal to men more than women and vice versa and women may be better at certain tasks than men and vice versa. This is not a bad thing.


No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:07 PM  

ElBarto79: Didn't they try and make a more realistic Barbie Doll awhile back and no one bought it? Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys? Why does everything have to be gender neutral and co-educational?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different. Some things may appeal to men more than women and vice versa and women may be better at certain tasks than men and vice versa. This is not a bad thing.


Oh, no, we can't accept that. If men and women are different, and I assign my arbitrary values to their different abilities, then that makes you sexist! It's definitely more important to be able to make money than to read and deal with emotions, so we can't say that any gender is generally better at one or the other. If we acknowledge that most boys and girls have characteristics, then the few who are different will realize it and have to deal with it now rather than waiting until they're completely confused at high school.
 
2012-12-17 11:03:32 PM  
Sex: Male ____ Female ____ Neutral ____
 
2012-12-17 11:04:13 PM  

ElBarto79: Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys?


Yes, when "appealing to girls or boys" isn't actually an inherent or intrinsic quality in the "stuff", and it only does so because of extrinsic marketing. In other words, if boys are or are not playing with toy [x] because of your gendered advertising, then you're the one causing the difference in appeal, not the toy.

In this case, the boy wants to play with an oven. So why design toy ovens to suppress that appeal?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different.

Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.
 
2012-12-17 11:06:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.


Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.
 
2012-12-17 11:07:23 PM  

eudemonist: Wait, she thinks purple is "girly"? Nice job filling you bigot daughter with preconceived societal bullshiat, parents!


I was wondering if someone would get around to this.
Bravo.
 
2012-12-17 11:07:59 PM  
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people would stop using "feminist" to describe a) what a few people on the internet or TV said once or, more importantly, b) what they think "feminists" say.
 
2012-12-17 11:09:41 PM  
I never got the EZ-Bake Oven.

I wanted one when I was about six. Pink be damned, I wanted to eat fresh farkin' cookies.

I told this to my parents, who informed me to look left. There was a meter high actual oven at my disposal. A stove and a hundred pots, pans, spoons, and such as well.

I no longer wanted an EZ-Bake Oven.
 
2012-12-17 11:10:07 PM  

jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.


Some things I can see why they girly-up to better sell to girls. Some things I'm not so sure about, like Lego. NPR had a story this morning about a new campaign targeting girls. I can see that it might help some, but on the other hand both of my girls like Lego fine, as they are. Then some things are just plain silly; like toddler toys that are usually in primary colors, but then are offered in pinks and pastels. What's the point of that? Do we need to establish that primary colors are for boys by offering a girl alternative?
 
2012-12-17 11:12:38 PM  
Easy Bake Oven is NOT COOKING! The pie is a LIE!
 
2012-12-17 11:14:58 PM  

trappedspirit: Easy Bake Oven is NOT COOKING! The pie is a LIE!


It's more like molecular gastronomy, isn't it? The heat from a light bulb reacts with the chemicals in a mix producing a polymerase reaction which yields a cake with the texture of rubber.
 
2012-12-17 11:15:59 PM  

Theaetetus:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.


Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli. Put a bunch of little kids in a room, you will see the girls begin to form groups and talk and play games with each other while the boys are attaching each other and throwing things around. You can try and bend their behavior as much as you want, you will never succeed, it is hardwired into them. You can do this again and again as much as you want with as many kids as you want and you will always see similar results.

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.
 
2012-12-17 11:16:15 PM  

SinisterDexter: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Some things I can see why they girly-up to better sell to girls. Some things I'm not so sure about, like Lego. NPR had a story this morning about a new campaign targeting girls. I can see that it might help some, but on the other hand both of my girls like Lego fine, as they are. Then some things are just plain silly; like toddler toys that are usually in primary colors, but then are offered in pinks and pastels. What's the point of that? Do we need to establish that primary colors are for boys by offering a girl alternative?


i.huffpost.com
Lego used to be gender neutral... About 15 years ago, they dropped that and started forcing a gender dichotomy in the sets, with sets that were explicitly for girls lacking moving parts or even very many generic parts. Instead, it's all pre-built stuff, more like Duplo.
 
2012-12-17 11:16:41 PM  
www.woosk.com


/Obligatory
//Not that there's anything wrong with that
 
2012-12-17 11:18:20 PM  

eudemonist: Wait, she thinks purple is "girly"? Nice job filling you bigot daughter with preconceived societal bullshiat, parents!


Quiet you, she just totally smashed the patriarchy. I'd say that she already has done everything she needs to nail her college admissions but with 5 years to go, there will be plenty of time for the "gender neutral" ez-bake oven to fail. The first hint? It took a girl to demand an EZ-bake oven for boys.
 
2012-12-17 11:20:47 PM  
A visual history of the Easy Bake Oven.

What I want to know is, what are they going to cook with once the 100 watt light bulb dissapears?
 
2012-12-17 11:24:36 PM  
ElBarto79:

andyfromfl:

Gyrfalcon:


This just in: Feminist theory, an ever-expanding realm of academia and a socio-political movement with widely varying schools of thought that incorporates scientific studies in the fields sociology, anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, biology, and is built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry, was debunked by some white heterosexual men in an online forum. Story at 11
 
2012-12-17 11:25:07 PM  

cedarpark: What I want to know is, what are they going to cook with once the 100 watt light bulb dissapears?


A 27 watt CFL of course! It's supposed to be equivalent to a 100 watt incandescent, isn't it?
 
2012-12-17 11:25:39 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: This is the most significant cultural milestone since 1985 when Hasbro stopped making a "WHITES ONLY" EZ-Bake oven.


-facepalm- Some over-paid so called comedy writer is going to rip this off, get a raise and a blowjob at this years Holiday Party from a big titty temp who thinks he's just hilarious. you? you get Fark.

/Farked again! AGAIN!
 
2012-12-17 11:26:18 PM  
Most homes already have a gender-neutral oven. It's about the size of a washing machine and lives in the kitchen. Parental guidance advised.
 
2012-12-17 11:28:00 PM  

FraggleStickCar: Feminist theory...built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry


Uh oh, sorry guys. Thousands of years of feminist theory says science is lying. Guess you should all just shut up.
 
2012-12-17 11:28:03 PM  
Stop being a homo, kid.
 
2012-12-17 11:29:15 PM  

ElBarto79: Theaetetus:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.

Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli.


Where did you get your medical degree from, and what research have you done on the endocrine system in infants?

First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.

(i) The people that say "gender is simply a social construct" don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth, because I'll call you on it every single time.
(ii) The people that say "behavior... is hardwired into them" do exist, and, as shown above, have no credibility due to their lack of science or logic.

There are biological differences between the sexes. No one claims there are not (although there are plenty who will claim that someone says that, but you don't know her, she's from Canada. It's called straw feminism).
There are also differences between the sexes that are caused by social influences. Attempting to deny that means you're simply not looking at reality.
 
2012-12-17 11:29:52 PM  
Whats wrong with boys knowing how to cook? Thats not gay. Thats resourceful.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:08 PM  
Huh. When I was a kid we didn't have EZ-Bake ovens. We made pies out of mud. Mud is gender neutral, last I checked. So maybe the right thing to do is to abandon Hasbro and their gender confused appliances altogether, and go back to having kids play in the mud.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:14 PM  

D_Evans45: Whats wrong with boys knowing how to cook? Thats not gay. Thats resourceful.


Cakes is gay. Steaks is resourceful.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:16 PM  
i.imgur.com
Unavailable for comment.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:20 PM  

buckler: Most homes already have a gender-neutral oven. It's about the size of a washing machine and lives in the kitchen. Parental guidance advised.


This. Kids should learn how to bake for real. It's not that hard. The results will be more consistent and better than the EZ bake work. And you get to spend time with your kids. Sounds like a win win.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:37 PM  

chapman: FraggleStickCar: Feminist theory...built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry

Uh oh, sorry guys. Thousands of years of feminist theory says science is lying. Guess you should all just shut up.


Science called...
parentcoachingforautism.com
... it says you should stop trying to speak for it.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:51 PM  
CSB time:

My five year old nephew wanted an ez-bake for Christmas so badly, but he begged us to get it for him and not tell Santa (or anyone else) he wanted "a girl oven." This happened about 10 years ago, but I was shocked that my nephew was already aware of gender issues by then.
 
2012-12-17 11:32:50 PM  

Happy Hours: CruJones: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Ever think its simply to sell more?

This was all due to some 4 year old boy who liked to cook who had a 13 year old sister who wants to be an activist. Of those 44,000 people who signed the petition, they'll probably sell an additional 100 units or so.


I disagree. Cooking really isn't considered something that only girls do anymore. My father was and my brother is a great cook. My nephew enjoys pretending he is cooking like his dad. He also enjoys Legos, nerf guns, football and other typically boy stuff. A toy oven that was blue rather than pink would make all the difference to him.
 
2012-12-17 11:33:07 PM  

chapman: FraggleStickCar: Feminist theory...built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry

Uh oh, sorry guys. Thousands of years of feminist theory says science is lying. Guess you should all just shut up.


I'll give you another chance to read that post and respond with something relevant. D- on your first attempt.

Theaetetus:

I like you!
 
2012-12-17 11:34:26 PM  

FraggleStickCar: chapman: FraggleStickCar: Feminist theory...built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry

Uh oh, sorry guys. Thousands of years of feminist theory says science is lying. Guess you should all just shut up.

I'll give you another chance to read that post and respond with something relevant. D- on your first attempt.

Theaetetus:

I like you!


shop.ssgservices.com
 
2012-12-17 11:36:43 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Er marketing to boys*


Sounds like a fetish.

urban.derelict: I'm Italian -- I came out of mom's vagina with a spatula


More than we needed to know.
 
2012-12-17 11:38:42 PM  

saxchick: CSB time:

My five year old nephew wanted an ez-bake for Christmas so badly, but he begged us to get it for him and not tell Santa (or anyone else) he wanted "a girl oven." This happened about 10 years ago, but I was shocked that my nephew was already aware of gender issues by then.


A few years back, my 2 and a half year old niece got a wooden house with assorted toy fixtures for Christmas. Her older brother, then 4, joined her in playing with it... to which his grandfather angrily told him that that was a girl toy, he wasn't allowed to use it, and he should play with toy guns instead.

/but yeah, children's choices in toys are solely due to their genitals...
 
2012-12-17 11:40:31 PM  

FraggleStickCar: I'll give you another chance to read that post and respond with something relevant. D- on your first attempt.


To what? You made a laughable comment on the scope and strength of modern feminist theory. I don't think I need to pull out my D+ material for that. I'll save that for Fark wrestling threads.
 
2012-12-17 11:40:40 PM  
You know who else had gender neutral ovens?
 
2012-12-17 11:41:54 PM  

ultraholland: You know who else had gender neutral ovens?


img16.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-17 11:43:07 PM  
My sons have always liked to cook and when they were younger had pretend dishes, kitchen toys, etc. When they were 5 & 6 I remember asking them if they would like an EZ Bake Oven and they said "no way, that's a girl toy". When I asked them why they said it was because the box only showed girls playing with it and no boys.
 
2012-12-17 11:43:09 PM  

ElBarto79: Theaetetus:
Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.

Except they are, I taught young children for awhile. There are clear differences in boys and girls even from a very young age. Boys are hyper and fidgety, they have a lot of trouble sitting still and focusing while the girls are much more calm and pleasant. This is hormones, biology, it has nothing to do with gender specific stimuli. Put a bunch of little kids in a room, you will see the girls begin to form groups and talk and play games with each other while the boys are attaching each other and throwing things around. You can try and bend their behavior as much as you want, you will never succeed, it is hardwired into them. You can do this again and again as much as you want with as many kids as you want and you will always see similar results.

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.


Pffttt...."reality" itself is nothing more than an ideological construct propagated to shore up the hegemony of the phallocentric Western scientific establishment.

Poor, naive fool...
 
2012-12-17 11:43:29 PM  

whatshisname: D_Evans45: Whats wrong with boys knowing how to cook? Thats not gay. Thats resourceful.

Cakes is gay. Steaks is resourceful.



You need a well rounded kid. Make the frosting manly colors, with manly crushed candy toppings like Heath.
 
2012-12-17 11:44:12 PM  

Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.


Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences? The differences in testosterone, for instance, between males and females makes no difference at all in things like aggression and muscle development? And those have absolutely no effect on how males and females interact with their environment and one another?

Nothing at all? It's ALL socially determined?
 
2012-12-17 11:45:31 PM  

whatshisname: D_Evans45: Whats wrong with boys knowing how to cook? Thats not gay. Thats resourceful.

Cakes is gay. Steaks is resourceful.


Actually hot, juicy beef sounds pretty gay.
 
2012-12-17 11:46:00 PM  
Eh, teach a kid how to cook by cooking with a real appliance. Easy Bake Ovens are bullshiat, regardless of the color.
 
2012-12-17 11:46:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.

Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences?


/facepalm

Maybe you should stop Farking for the evening. You're starting to become a parody of yourself.
 
2012-12-17 11:46:41 PM  

Theaetetus: Where did you get your medical degree from, and what research have you done on the endocrine system in infants?

First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".

The people that say gender is simply a social construct are not looking at the reality of the biological and hormonal differences between the sexes.

(i) The people that say "gender is simply a social construct" don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth, because I'll call you on it every single time.
(ii) The people that say "behavior... is hardwired into them" do exist, and, as shown above, have no credibility due to their lack of science or logic.

There are biological differences between the sexes. No one claims there are not (although there are plenty who will claim that someone says that, but you don't know her, she's from Canada. It's called straw feminism).
There are also differences between the sexes that are caused by social influences. Attempting to deny that means you're si ...


Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.

No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period. The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.
 
2012-12-17 11:47:29 PM  

FraggleStickCar: ElBarto79:

andyfromfl:

Gyrfalcon:

This just in: Feminist theory, an ever-expanding realm of academia and a socio-political movement with widely varying schools of thought that incorporates scientific studies in the fields sociology, anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, biology, and is built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry, was debunked by some white heterosexual men in an online forum. Story at 11


This just in: somebody in an online forum seems to think that feminist theory is something other than a perpetually marginal body of literature in the fields of sociology, anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, and biology.
 
2012-12-17 11:48:47 PM  
I think invalidation of anyone's opinions should be eradicated. We all get the blue ribbon. Or gibbon. Or something.
 
2012-12-17 11:49:03 PM  

ElBarto79: Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.


Aw, u mad, bro? I'm sorry if my snark and mockery made you tear up. I honestly didn't mean you to take it harshly, but rather to question some of your incorrect assumptions.

No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period.

I'm amused by the fact that you think your third sentence is consistent with your second.

The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.

... and that's it, thread over. We've gone to Extreme Derp.
 
2012-12-17 11:49:48 PM  
Apparently Hasbro had issues with the previous design of the oven after having switched over from an incandescent bulb. Their current marketing is aimed at girls - even their website specifies that it is for girls.

The whole letter is probably just a publicity stunt. Hasbro probably realized their branding for this product was out of date and they could squeeze out some more sales if they aimed it at both sexes.

I'm sure people will eat it up as being progressive like people eat up misleading "carbon-neutral" and other enviro-bullshiat that every product has on it now.
 
2012-12-17 11:49:50 PM  

Bumblefark: This just in: somebody in an online forum seems to think that feminist theory is something other than a perpetually marginal body of literature in the fields of sociology, anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, and biology.


Well you can't expect them to be seen in public saying such stupid shiat, can you?
 
2012-12-17 11:49:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.

Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences?

/facepalm

Maybe you should stop Farking for the evening. You're starting to become a parody of yourself.


You started it. :p
 
2012-12-17 11:50:53 PM  
Simple: Give it a branding. Make it a Gordon Ramsay easy-bake oven. Have it berate you with insults when you burn the meal. That will teach you to be a good chef!
 
2012-12-17 11:52:20 PM  
"Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?"
www.germes-online.com
WHAT?!?
"You bake cookies with... a light bulb?!? I'm made of steel and circuitry, damn you!"
"I'm a MAN'S toy oven for Ages 8 to 80! Tell your son to grow a pair!"
 
2012-12-17 11:52:24 PM  
The G.I. Joe EZ Bake Combat Oven!

Bake delicious cakes and cookies for you and your squadmates!
 
2012-12-17 11:54:56 PM  
Fark, please. I've whitelisted adblock but I have images turned off at work. Please stop nagging me.
 
2012-12-17 11:55:04 PM  
i'm a dude and i think that oven looks kind of cool.

is that how you know I'm gay?

/not gay
//not that there's anything wrong with that
 
2012-12-17 11:55:58 PM  

Theaetetus: ElBarto79: Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.

Aw, u mad, bro? I'm sorry if my snark and mockery made you tear up. I honestly didn't mean you to take it harshly, but rather to question some of your incorrect assumptions.

No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period.

I'm amused by the fact that you think your third sentence is consistent with your second.

The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.

... and that's it, thread over. We've gone to Extreme Derp.


Like I said, the fallback position of snark and mockery. This tells me all I need to know. Have a nice night.
 
2012-12-17 11:56:42 PM  

Old enough to know better: The G.I. Joe EZ Bake Combat Oven!

Bake delicious cakes and cookies for you and your squadmates!


Too bad they all taste like MRE pound cakes.
 
2012-12-17 11:58:24 PM  
Look for them on a clearance rack near you.
 
2012-12-18 12:01:52 AM  

cedarpark: A visual history of the Easy Bake Oven.

What I want to know is, what are they going to cook with once the 100 watt light bulb dissapears?


I presume they'll switch over to a halogen capsule of some sort.
 
2012-12-18 12:03:31 AM  

ElBarto79: Theaetetus: ElBarto79: Wow seems I really touched a nerve did I? I'd be happy to have a reasoned discussion but I don't have much patience for snark and mockery which is what so many self-described feminists seem to fall back on all too often when someone challenges their convictions.

Aw, u mad, bro? I'm sorry if my snark and mockery made you tear up. I honestly didn't mean you to take it harshly, but rather to question some of your incorrect assumptions.

No I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't appear you are either. I do have a Masters in engineering and years of experience in science and research so I am *somewhat* familiar with the scientific method. I report my observations with young kids and I stand by my assessment; boys and girls are different, period.

I'm amused by the fact that you think your third sentence is consistent with your second.

The current trend of our society is to make everything gender neutral and co-ed and I think this is a mistake. In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be discouraged.

... and that's it, thread over. We've gone to Extreme Derp.

Like I said, the fallback position of snark and mockery. This tells me all I need to know. Have a nice night.


Dude, you're claiming mass shootings are the result of Easy Bake ovens not being pink enough. You expect me not to snark and mock you? Hell, I've got you farky'd so that I can remember to mock you for this in the future!
 
2012-12-18 12:04:47 AM  

ElBarto79: Like I said, the fallback position of snark and mockery.


This is Fark, that's normally the initial approach.
 
2012-12-18 12:06:32 AM  

cedarpark: What I want to know is, what are they going to cook with once the 100 watt light bulb dissapears?


Two 50 watt light bulbs?
 
2012-12-18 12:11:29 AM  

uncleacid: There's nothing like filling the house with the smell of melting toy soldiers.


we used to do that in the garage with cans of mom's aqua net and packs of matches -- never burnt the garage down

got the piss beaten out of me by dad when i was about 5, burning lone matches on the BARE CONCRETE BASEMENT FLOOR cuz, yeah, concrete burns

/goddamnit why are people sofa king retarded
 
2012-12-18 12:12:01 AM  

eudemonist: Wait, she thinks purple is "girly"? Nice job filling you bigot daughter with preconceived societal bullshiat, parents!


Yes, everyone knows that purple is now reserved for the gays
 
2012-12-18 12:17:10 AM  

urban.derelict: //cooking is not difficult


Add salt and butter.
 
2012-12-18 12:17:45 AM  
or bacon.

/bacon
 
2012-12-18 12:18:48 AM  

whatshisname: Sex: Male ____ Female ____ NeutralOther ____

F T F Y
 
2012-12-18 12:18:56 AM  
What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.
 
2012-12-18 12:21:25 AM  

DownDaRiver: Yes, everyone knows that purple is now reserved for the gays


More specifically, the lesbians. Well, at least that was the case when NOW kicked all of them out of power back in the days when feminism quaked in fear of Ivy Botini and the lavender menace.
 
2012-12-18 12:22:52 AM  
I'm still waiting for the "E-Z Barbeque Grill"
 
2012-12-18 12:25:44 AM  

megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.


Or maybe you should stop dating men that you met at McDonald's or the frozen pizza section of Safeway?
 
2012-12-18 12:25:48 AM  

British: Simple: Give it a branding. Make it a Gordon Ramsay easy-bake oven. Have it berate you with insults when you burn the meal. That will teach you to be a good chef!


I have said for several years now they need to have the Gordon Ramsay toy kitchen. Children will be shouting at one another for not being able to tell the difference between winter savory and thyme.
 
2012-12-18 12:28:13 AM  

MrEricSir: megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Or maybe you should stop dating men that you met at McDonald's or the frozen pizza section of Safeway?


Well, there's my problem.
 
2012-12-18 12:30:57 AM  
Even if no boys ever bought the oven, why shouldn't it come in black and silver? Real ovens come in black and silver. The recommended age for this toy is 8+ - and as the parent of an 8-year-old, I know at least SOME of the kids of this age are very interested in "grown up" looking stuff, and not just cutesy kid toys.

I might just buy this for my boys. And no, I don't care if it doesn't work that well. Our kids like to play with real stuff, and it scares the heck out of me.
 
2012-12-18 12:31:46 AM  

RedPhoenix122: I'm still waiting for the "E-Z Barbeque Grill"


Or the E-Z Home Distillery. That would be educational and maybe even profitable, too.
 
2012-12-18 12:32:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.


The blue for boys and pink for girls is 100% cultural. Used to be the reverse.
 
2012-12-18 12:35:12 AM  

FunkOut: hildren will be shouting at one another for not being able to tell the difference between winter savory and thyme.


I'd pay money for a show where cute kids yell at adults with gordon ramsey insults. A 5 year old calling an adult a damn stupid donkey? Ratings gold.
 
2012-12-18 12:37:24 AM  

chapman: FunkOut: hildren will be shouting at one another for not being able to tell the difference between winter savory and thyme.

I'd pay money for a show where cute kids yell at adults with gordon ramsey insults. A 5 year old calling an adult a damn stupid donkey? Ratings gold.


Oh, that's brilliant. "This macaroni and cheese with hotdogs is bleeding awful! Did you buy the hotdogs at a service station by any chance? You're an idiot!"
 
2012-12-18 12:41:56 AM  

brug: Even if no boys ever bought the oven, why shouldn't it come in black and silver? Real ovens come in black and silver. The recommended age for this toy is 8+ - and as the parent of an 8-year-old, I know at least SOME of the kids of this age are very interested in "grown up" looking stuff, and not just cutesy kid toys.


And some kids just prefer things that don't look tacky.

The only thing I've seen in that eggplant purple with swirly things look is a PT Cruiser. Personally, I think it's a great anti-crime move because the only person who will steal such a car is another middle aged white lady.
 
2012-12-18 12:43:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


It's just like the normal EZ Bake oven except that nobody is inspired to bake anything.
 
2012-12-18 12:44:57 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


It comes sans genitals.
 
2012-12-18 12:46:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


One that isn't a color that will get a boy gay slurred by a bully.
 
2012-12-18 12:48:43 AM  
Hasbro just as well take advantage of the publicity.

So... we can expect 44,000 units to sell immedately, right?
 
2012-12-18 12:48:44 AM  

ibsalamander: Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?

It comes sans genitals.


About time -- the one I had kept getting yeast infections.
 
2012-12-18 12:51:25 AM  

LargeCanine: Hasbro just as well take advantage of the publicity.

So... we can expect 44,000 units to sell immedately, right?


Of course. 44,000 internet petition signatures? That's worth like a billion sales right there bro. Internet petitions are the gold standard.
 
2012-12-18 12:53:47 AM  

spidermilk: Balchinian: Donnchadha: [www.ilovethe80s.com image 279x165]

Looks pretty gender neutral to me

What color is your apron?

Red & White Buffalo Check with a white trim!


Well, that's the problem.
 
2012-12-18 12:54:20 AM  

megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.


Ignorance is a choice.
 
2012-12-18 12:55:10 AM  
How long before we find out that the whole whoop-de-doo was just a viral marketing campaign?

/yes, I'm cynical
//loved those EZBake muffins when I was a kid. Mmmmm. Banana-nut with a hint of burnt plastic
 
2012-12-18 12:55:28 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.

Ignorance is a choice.


Yeah, well Speedway isn't.
 
2012-12-18 12:57:26 AM  

ElBarto79: In fact I would go so far as to say some of the problems we see with men in our society currently, including (yes I will go there) several recent mass shootings which all involved men could be at least partly a result of a society that seems to see masculinity and male traits as behavior to be unhealthily repressed


FTFY
 
2012-12-18 01:21:26 AM  

megarian: StoPPeRmobile: megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.

Ignorance is a choice.

Yeah, well Speedway isn't.


Only time I ever ate "food" from a gas station was in Turkey.
 
2012-12-18 01:29:12 AM  
Heh, you guys are arguing about an Easy-Bake Oven.
 
2012-12-18 01:41:14 AM  
Soon to realize no one will buy them and online petitions hold no weight. They are easy to do like praying...with similar results
 
2012-12-18 01:50:31 AM  
Nothing To See Here: Hence the name Hasbro, bro

they should break the company into two separate entities: Hasbro and Hasbroad.
 
2012-12-18 02:03:31 AM  

WhippingBoy: Heh, you guys are arguing about an Easy-Bake Oven.


You are commenting about people arguing about an Easy-Bake Oven.

/what's so easy about it?
 
2012-12-18 02:06:02 AM  
Weren't they always gender neutral? Little pink oven for the girls and gay boys?
 
2012-12-18 02:08:06 AM  
I had a Holly Hobbie oven. It kicked ass.
 
2012-12-18 02:10:35 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: WhippingBoy: Heh, you guys are arguing about an Easy-Bake Oven.

You are commenting about people arguing about an Easy-Bake Oven.

/what's so easy about it?


Is this Inception or irony?
 
2012-12-18 02:11:34 AM  

urban.derelict: vudukungfu: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: It's good to hear their expanding their marketing to guys. Nothing gets you laid faster than being able to cook well.

Agreed.

I'm Italian -- I came out of mom's vagina with a spatula

/or something
//cooking is not difficult


Cooking IS DIFFICULT, don't cook. Just eat! You're bound to mess up da cooking!
 
2012-12-18 02:32:18 AM  

ultraholland: they should break the company into two separate entities: Hasbro and Hasbroad.


Booyah!
 
2012-12-18 03:28:06 AM  

Theaetetus: First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".


Not so much.

Fact is: Hormones heavily influence a lot about how we behave, and indeed, think. Depression, satisfaction, bonding, etc. The results are easily seen in people and lab rats alike when you add or remove(or block) hormones from their systems.

Testosterone and Estrogen play a large role in the behavior of all sorts of animals. It's very known that testosterone makes for aggression, for example, in pretty much all mammals.

Oxytocin also is a thing to be considered. Women have more receptors for it. In addition to it's bonding/empathy properties it can also impair some types of cognitive learning, but also increase social learning.

To pretend such things are not a heavy factor is borderline delusional. You rant about "anecdotal evidence", even when studies support our individual observations, and the fact that a LOT of us have the same anecdotal evidence(making it less anecdotal and more of a cloud of very similar findings, hundreds of observations of thousands of children....It's a collaborative effort, not simple anecdotal evidence).

All in all you sound like a religious person who's denying science because "God IS love, God granted us emotions."

Science threatens your mistaken world view so you lash out at it.

What I find consistently entertaining is how this overly liberal view of "born that way" is constantly at odds with "society makes us do what we do". "Women are STRONG but need protected from being influenced by the media" This blaming of society for "gender roles" is at odds with "boys shouldn't have to play with pink toys".

I know I won't convince you of the error of your ways, pretty much all zealots are that way. Please, continue to amuse us.
 
2012-12-18 03:32:46 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Theaetetus: First, with all due respect, I believe you're mistaking anecdotal evidence for data, and trying to dress it up in language you've heard from other people about "hormones, biology". For example, I doubt you can name the specific hormones involved other than the well-known three (starting with T, E, and A, specifically).

Second, your anecdotal evidence is an attempt to show causation from a vague correlation - children play differently... therefore it must be caused by "hormones, biology". Science has only a passing acquaintance with that conclusion.

Third, your evidence is several years late to discuss differences that are solely due to "hormones, biology," since you're talking about a bunch of talking kids. Start focusing on a year or less to try to avoid some of the social influences, and even then, we know that some social influences start at birth. You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".

Not so much.

Fact is: Hormones heavily influence a lot about how we behave, and indeed, think. Depression, satisfaction, bonding, etc. The results are easily seen in people and lab rats alike when you add or remove(or block) hormones from their systems.

Testosterone and Estrogen play a large role in the behavior of all sorts of animals. It's very known that testosterone makes for aggression, for example, in pretty much all mammals.

Oxytocin also is a thing to be considered. Women have more receptors for it. In addition to it's bonding/empathy properties it can also impair some types of cognitive learning, but also increase social learning.

To pretend such things are not a heavy factor is borderline delusional. You rant about "anecdotal evidence", even when studies support our individual observations, and the fact that a LOT of us have the same anecdotal evidence(making it l ...


And, folks, that's how you curb-stomp an idiot. Good night.
 
2012-12-18 04:37:23 AM  
...after online petition gets over 44,000 signatures

So in other words, more signatures than the average WhiteHouse.com secession petition.

Kinda puts that whole silliness in perspective, doesn't it?
 
2012-12-18 04:51:47 AM  

eudemonist: Wait, she thinks purple is "girly"? Nice job filling you bigot daughter with preconceived societal bullshiat, parents!


This haha
 
2012-12-18 04:59:13 AM  
Until 1920, pink was for boys (a child version of manly blood red), and powder.blue for girls (a child version of Virgin Mary blue),

Things changes, and will again. Like how purple has moved from mean royalty to meaning massive tranny.
 
2012-12-18 05:33:59 AM  

Bungles: Until 1920, pink was for boys (a child version of manly blood red), and powder.blue for girls (a child version of Virgin Mary blue),

Things changes, and will again. Like how purple has moved from mean royalty to meaning massive tranny.


I don't think pink will change, or rather, it will be a harder thing to shake. We're all pink in the middle, but the association with the vagina in general will have much longevity, now that we've a society that can talk about such things. Hell, pink is a slang term for the almighty vagina, regardless to how red and sore some few people's, like Thaeat's, get from sand.
 
2012-12-18 05:53:07 AM  
img.photobucket.com

Have a super sparkly day!
 
2012-12-18 06:45:52 AM  

Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.


you are a very confusing person since right above this, you said:

"Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals."


which seems to indicate in this post you feel we shouldn't recognize differences but in the prior post you seem to imply there are... so are you of two minds on the subject, or confused, or.... maybe it was the lasagna.
 
2012-12-18 06:47:01 AM  

FraggleStickCar: ElBarto79:

andyfromfl:

Gyrfalcon:

This just in: Feminist theory, an ever-expanding realm of academia and a socio-political movement with widely varying schools of thought that incorporates scientific studies in the fields sociology, anthropology, psychiatry, psychology, biology, and is built on a foundation of thousands of years of philosophical inquiry, was debunked by some white heterosexual men in an online forum reality. Story at 11


/FTFY
//Your welcome
 
2012-12-18 06:54:49 AM  
The EZBake hasn't been the same since they got rid of the light bulb.
I have a microwave speed cooker that uses two large halogen bulbs to brown the food while it nukes.
I call it the EZBake oven.
 
2012-12-18 06:58:07 AM  

jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls "feminine" is synonymous with "bad" or whatever? Pretty silly.


More to the point. Saying "Don't worry, playing with this won't make you girly" still gives off the impression that there's something inherently wrong with being "girly" in the first place.
 
2012-12-18 06:59:42 AM  

megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.


I think I noticed the problem...

Assuming the picture in your profile is actually you:

Guys that normally think they would have a shot with you tend to be the jocks, assholes, bad boys, etc... they tend not to do things they think of as feminine like cook.

Guys that do cook generally are the ones that don't think they would have a shot with someone that looks like you.

Now, with all that said: This is the internet, and therefore, that cannot possibly be you in the picture, so all bets are off.
 
2012-12-18 07:04:21 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

// Mmmm. Neutrality.
 
2012-12-18 07:30:20 AM  

SinisterDexter: I consider it a natural progression since more women than men are getting degrees, entering the workforce and becoming managers. See: The End of Men. Soon it'll be normal for the boys to play house and girls to have all the 'occupational' toys.

/doing my part as a SAHD for ten years


Awesome, I love staying home.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:57 AM  
My son plays with his older sister's toys. While I don't care what he's playing with, my stepdad has made comments. I just ignore him...I'm not buying double of everything to appease his color palate.
 
2012-12-18 08:04:08 AM  
thelittlechimpsociety.com
 
2012-12-18 08:08:21 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Theaetetus: Gyrfalcon: No, apparently that is a bad thing. The idea that men and women might possibly be different is entirely a social construct and has nothing at all to do with our different body types and hormonal balances.

Viewing everything as a dichotomy may be comforting on some level, but it sure doesn't reflect reality.

you are a very confusing person since right above this, you said:

"Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals."

which seems to indicate in this post you feel we shouldn't recognize differences but in the prior post you seem to imply there are... so are you of two minds on the subject, or confused, or.... maybe it was the lasagna.


Nope, I think you're misreading it. In said post, I was pointing out that believing in a dichotomy of "men and women are different" vs. "men and women are identical" is incorrect. In prior post, I was pointing out that believing in a dichotomy of "behavior is caused by genitalia" vs. "hormones have no influence on behavior" is also incorrect. The "it's either this or that" dogma is incorrect in both cases.

Want to see something interesting, though? When I point out to one of these "it's only [x], not [y]" people that the dichotomy is false, they ignore what I'm saying and still hold to the dichotomy, believing that I'm actually arguing "it's [y], not [x]":

Gyrfalcon: Really? So men and women AREN'T different? They DON'T have physical differences and hormonal differences? The differences in testosterone, for instance, between males and females makes no difference at all in things like aggression and muscle development? And those have absolutely no effect on how males and females interact with their environment and one another?

omeganuepsilon: Testosterone and Estrogen play a large role in the behavior of all sorts of animals... Oxytocin also is a thing to be considered... To pretend such things are not a heavy factor is borderline delusional.


It's like they simply can't understand that an issue could have mixed causes, rather than just an either-or, so when anyone disagrees with them, they mentally place them at the other side of the spectrum.
 
2012-12-18 08:10:58 AM  

Larva Lump: [upload.wikimedia.org image 500x282]

// Mmmm. Neutrality.


Yeah, and you won't have to take a shiat for days after eating one of those. Clogs you up like a stopper. But the chocolate covered cookie is awesome.
 
2012-12-18 08:14:22 AM  
Imagine that. Hasbro, the creator of the 4th Gen My Little Pony memetic craze, would realize that gender targeting doesn't work anymore like it used to in the 60s and 70s.

The horror. Letting your little boy play with an oven or ponies won't turn him gay, and letting your little girl play with military stuff won't turn her into a butch killer.
 
2012-12-18 08:21:50 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


It's just a marketing gimmick, it's the same product without the tampon holder.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:42 AM  

British: Simple: Give it a branding. Make it a Gordon Ramsay easy-bake oven. Have it berate you with insults when you burn the meal. That will teach you to be a good chef!


When I first read this comment, I somehow read it as a Gordon Liddy easy-bake oven. Still works, I guess. Except everything gets farked up in the end due to incompetence.
 
2012-12-18 08:36:53 AM  

BronyMedic: Imagine that. Hasbro, the creator of the 4th Gen My Little Pony memetic craze, would realize that gender targeting doesn't work anymore like it used to in the 60s and 70s.

The horror. Letting your little boy play with an oven or ponies won't turn him gay, and letting your little girl play with military stuff won't turn her into a butch killer.


Agreed. Only good things can come from introducing kids to activities traditionally associated w/ the other sex. Also it's a whole lot easier to make things less pink than pink less girly.
 
2012-12-18 08:42:03 AM  
Wouldn't a Kickstarter have been better? It's all well and good for people to "feel" that they should make gender-neutral Easy Bake Ovens, but it matters when they've got money down for 'em.
 
2012-12-18 08:46:38 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.

I think I noticed the problem...

Assuming the picture in your profile is actually you:

Guys that normally think they would have a shot with you tend to be the jocks, assholes, bad boys, etc... they tend not to do things they think of as feminine like cook.

Guys that do cook generally are the ones that don't think they would have a shot with someone that looks like you.

Now, with all that said: This is the internet, and therefore, that cannot possibly be you in the picture, so all bets are off.


The picture is related to my job (I work for a university's art department). I always go for guys that are really into physics. They always think they're going to get a job because they are *ahem*, too smart and they should be doing something *cough* better. So you're right; jerks.

Next, guys that read and know their way around an EZBake oven.
 
2012-12-18 08:53:46 AM  
I still can't wrap my head around why the boy couldn't play with the pink/purple oven. Did someone tell him it was wrong? If someone did, why weren't the parents there to say that he can play with any toy he damn well pleases? Did the parents tell him it was wrong? If so, that's not a problem with the manufacturer. Same thing with toys with kids on the boxes and in the commercials that are the opposite gender. Want that toy? Then play with the damn toy. It doesn't matter if you don't look like the kid on the box.
 
2012-12-18 09:05:18 AM  
i'm a chinese jet pilot

/i want an easy bake oven suited for me
 
2012-12-18 09:07:00 AM  

I drunk what: i'm a chinese jet pilot

/i want an easy bake oven suited for me


Hmm....that is a very underrepresented demographic.
 
2012-12-18 09:10:54 AM  

megarian: I drunk what: i'm a chinese jet pilot

/i want an easy bake oven suited for me

Hmm....that is a very underrepresented demographic.


it's a third gender, all these closed minded bigots think there are only 2, such a false dichotomy
 
2012-12-18 09:16:19 AM  
Ah, the age-old "nature vs. nurture" debate. Isn't it possible that it's a little bit of both, and that it could be different for each individual?

CSB: My sister had the 1969-vintage version of the Easy-Bake - but it was teal-and-white rather than puke yellow (but definitely not the 1963-style unit) I didn't use it myself, but I recall watching it work.

I was more interested in Whizzer spinning tops (remember those?), toy trains, toy spacemen, Tonka trucks and Tinkertoys. How much of that was inborn and how much of that was socialization, I'll never know.

As an adult, I can cook reasonably well, but only do so when I must or the mood strikes.

/had a Billy Blastoff set in those days
//remember Neil Armstrong landing on the moon
///now haz a sad that nobody has gone beyond low Earth orbit since 1972
 
2012-12-18 09:23:13 AM  

I drunk what: megarian: I drunk what: i'm a chinese jet pilot

/i want an easy bake oven suited for me

Hmm....that is a very underrepresented demographic.

it's a third gender, all these closed minded bigots think there are only 2, such a false dichotomy


As long as they don't get married in MY 'Merica.
 
2012-12-18 09:31:02 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Eh, teach a kid how to cook by cooking with a real appliance. Easy Bake Ovens are bullshiat, regardless of the color.


I agree. My son wanted one of those cheesy, wooden track railroads. Instead I bought him a controlling stake in a local short line railroad.
 
2012-12-18 09:33:19 AM  

I drunk what: i'm a chinese jet pilot

/i want an easy bake oven suited for me


As long as it protects the Necronomicon.
 
2012-12-18 09:36:18 AM  

whatshisname: Sex: Male ____ Female ____ Neutral ____


sharetv.org

"Inadequate."
 
2012-12-18 09:39:50 AM  

Happy Hours: CruJones: jdamaral: I can appreciate the move but at the same time, can't we just let our boys play with pink stuff without giving them the impression that they're gay or girls or whatever? Pretty silly.

Ever think its simply to sell more?

This was all due to some 4 year old boy who liked to cook who had a 13 year old sister who wants to be an activist. Of those 44,000 people who signed the petition, they'll probably sell an additional 100 units or so.


I was wondering how much they'll spend on new packaging to get those 100 units sold.

Probably not real profitable.
 
2012-12-18 09:43:03 AM  
Better then their gender neutering oven.
 
2012-12-18 09:51:04 AM  
WTF people? I am married for 35 years, straight and I do 99.9% of the cooking and cleaning in the house. Since when has it been considered "gay" to cook? Our country is getting so stupid. I guess they got shiattons of free publicity out of this, so it was a good move, like the "new Coke" thing that I think was just a big ruse.
 
2012-12-18 10:01:15 AM  

Theaetetus: ElBarto79: Is it so terrible to have some stuff designed to appeal to girls and some designed to appeal to boys?

Yes, when "appealing to girls or boys" isn't actually an inherent or intrinsic quality in the "stuff", and it only does so because of extrinsic marketing. In other words, if boys are or are not playing with toy [x] because of your gendered advertising, then you're the one causing the difference in appeal, not the toy.

In this case, the boy wants to play with an oven. So why design toy ovens to suppress that appeal?

Honestly I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this countries problems if people, and especially feminists, could accept that men and women are *gasp* different.

Honestly, I think we could go a long way towards addressing some of this country's problems if people, and especially anti-feminists, would realize that many of those differences are *gasp* not actually caused by genitals.


Anti-feminists? Wtf... such a stupid idea.
 
2012-12-18 10:06:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: What, pray tell, is a "gender neutral" oven?


It makes doughnuts with no holes.
 
2012-12-18 10:07:26 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: The other day I discovered that Fisher-Price now makes two versions of their doctor's kit: the traditional blue and yellow, and a new pink and yellow. Why does everything have to have a gender assignment?

\Interestingly, both boxes had a picture of a girl on them.


So you have to buy more than one of them...
 
2012-12-18 10:11:09 AM  

spamdog: Apparently Hasbro had issues with the previous design of the oven after having switched over from an incandescent bulb. Their current marketing is aimed at girls - even their website specifies that it is for girls.

The whole letter is probably just a publicity stunt. Hasbro probably realized their branding for this product was out of date and they could squeeze out some more sales if they aimed it at both sexes.

I'm sure people will eat it up as being progressive like people eat up misleading "carbon-neutral" and other enviro-bullshiat that every product has on it now.


No, the design issues happened in 2007, before the switch from incandescent bulbs to a dedicated heating element.
 
2012-12-18 10:19:21 AM  

megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.


OCC is likely not the best place to fish for guys, based on the employees I've had come out of there.

/vacation up in Houghton and reap the rewards of gender ratio
//AA is okay, but when I was there the standard was to only date other Michigan students
 
2012-12-18 10:22:09 AM  

ha-ha-guy: megarian: What the hell...I think I have a force field that keeps guys that like to cook away from me.

Apparently, it also deflects guys with steady employment.

/chick
//can't cook or bake well*
///I'll be in the kitchen making sammiches

*I did make banana bread tonight. Nothing exploded.

OCC is likely not the best place to fish for guys, based on the employees I've had come out of there.

/vacation up in Houghton and reap the rewards of gender ratio
//AA is okay, but when I was there the standard was to only date other Michigan students


I went to Michigan State for 5 years. Also not the best place to search for guys. Or employees.
 
2012-12-18 10:41:15 AM  

BronyMedic: Imagine that. Hasbro, the creator of the 4th Gen My Little Pony memetic craze, would realize that gender targeting doesn't work anymore like it used to in the 60s and 70s.

The horror. Letting your little boy play with an oven or ponies won't turn him gay, and letting your little girl play with military stuff won't turn her into a butch killer.


Rumor has it that Hasbro has labeled their male following for the pony show as "perverts". Though I'm pretty sure that this has more to do with adult males than children. (I just looked at who I was responding to. ROFL)
 
2012-12-18 10:47:37 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: As long as it protects the Necronomicon.


klaatu barada n...nickel
 
2012-12-18 10:54:59 AM  

myne: Rumor has it that Hasbro has labeled their male following for the pony show as "perverts". Though I'm pretty sure that this has more to do with adult males than children. (I just looked at who I was responding to. ROFL)


You know what they say about rumors, don't you?

/if you're trying to claim that, you might what to hear what Faust et. all has said about it, or the fact that S2-S3 is basically one big shout-out to the fandoms.
 
2012-12-18 11:13:38 AM  
Um guys cook too....
 
2012-12-18 11:14:29 AM  

Theaetetus: omeganuepsilon: Testosterone and Estrogen play a large role in the behavior of all sorts of animals... Oxytocin also is a thing to be considered... To pretend such things are not a heavy factor is borderline delusional.

It's like they simply can't understand that an issue could have mixed causes, rather than just an either-or, so when anyone disagrees with them, they mentally place them at the other side of the spectrum.


I state no such absolute "either/or" situation. I imply none of that black/white dichotomiy that you're consistently complaining about. Project some more.

I addressed your actual points, as you made them. You said it's virtually impossible to test the theories of the effects on hormones on anyone but babies, and even then.... Here, I will even quote it again:

Theaetetus: You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".


I simply showed that to be wrong and science denial. If you genuinely cannot see that, all you'll get from me is pity.

Furthermore:

Theaetetus: You need to be literally working on newborns to attempt to make claims about significant gender differences due to "hormones, biology"... otherwise, all you're really talking about are gender differences due to "advertising".

(i) The people that say "gender is simply a social construct" don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth, because I'll call you on it every single time.


That's a very poor backpedal, as you did say as much within that very same post. You state that knowledge about hormones is so difficult to come by that it may as well be irrelevant, and by default, all we are left with is societal influence.

That is not "putting words in your mouth" it's very accurate paraphrasing. It's right there for all to see, I even quoted it. I mean, of course you'll deny it, you can't help but do such. I did make one mistake. I stated that you're "borderline delusional". I would further correct that by removing the "borderline" part.

If you truly do not mean to say such things, work on how you word things. If this is the case, your grasp of language is so poor, you do your public image no favors by insisting on getting into such text based debates. If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest you take a remedial English class or three, and maybe...IF you can get a passing grade in those, take some debate classes as well.
 
2012-12-18 11:42:53 AM  
In other news, new child's toy debuts to great fanfare and sells poorly.
 
2012-12-18 11:47:26 AM  

BronyMedic: myne: Rumor has it that Hasbro has labeled their male following for the pony show as "perverts". Though I'm pretty sure that this has more to do with adult males than children. (I just looked at who I was responding to. ROFL)

You know what they say about rumors, don't you?

/if you're trying to claim that, you might what to hear what Faust et. all has said about it, or the fact that S2-S3 is basically one big shout-out to the fandoms.


No, i'm very aware of what Faust says. I like her attitude towards the fans. It's Hasbro's response to it's older following. Hasbro does not equal Faust.
 
2012-12-18 12:56:57 PM  

BronyMedic: myne: Rumor has it that Hasbro has labeled their male following for the pony show as "perverts". Though I'm pretty sure that this has more to do with adult males than children. (I just looked at who I was responding to. ROFL)

You know what they say about rumors, don't you?

/if you're trying to claim that, you might what to hear what Faust et. all has said about it, or the fact that S2-S3 is basically one big shout-out to the fandoms.


I feel like I gave you the wrong idea. It's just a rumor, and I know that you can't believe everything you read, It was just something that would make a little more sense if Hasbro did indeed not quite know what to do with a male following for a female targeted thing.

I enjoy fandoms that takeoff especially with people who it wasn't intended to amuse. I have enjoyed my share of the ponies especially the youtube video where they play Portal2.
 
2012-12-18 01:50:37 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: WTF people? I am married for 35 years, straight and I do 99.9% of the cooking and cleaning in the house. Since when has it been considered "gay" to cook? Our country is getting so stupid. I guess they got shiattons of free publicity out of this, so it was a good move, like the "new Coke" thing that I think was just a big ruse.


Put yourself in the mind of a little kid. When you go through the toy section, everything dealing with cooking is plastered in pink. That's where the perception originates.
 
2012-12-18 01:59:17 PM  
Can't they just make a smoker for the boys?
 
2012-12-18 02:33:32 PM  
A waste of time now that we have 3d printing.
 
2012-12-18 06:39:55 PM  

Fano: In other news, new child's toy debuts to great fanfare and sells poorly.


What this guy said.
 
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