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(Daily Mail)   Doctors to mother of three girls: The good news: Your hysterectomy was successful. Now the bad news: You were pregnant and we aborted the son you always wanted   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 64
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2012-12-17 09:09:21 PM  
9 votes:
A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?
2012-12-17 09:49:02 PM  
7 votes:
I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.
2012-12-17 11:12:51 PM  
4 votes:

namatad: 14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.


Maybe the fact that there's something wrong with her uterus, leading to her needing a hysterectomy? Unless you have documentary evidence that her periods were regular every prior month, you should probably shut it, since you look like even more of an asshole than usual.
2012-12-17 10:33:17 PM  
4 votes:

namatad: Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.


Why have doctors at all? Why have them go through all the training?

If somebody wants a hot tub, I make sure their electrical service can handle it. I can't just install the wiring to the hot tub, then when the main breaker is tripping all the time tell them, "LOL you should have checked to see if your service could handle it!"

That's my job. A doctor's job is to make sure a patient is properly prepared for the surgery. In this case, a pregnancy test to see what they might find when they cut her open.
2012-12-18 12:30:25 AM  
3 votes:
Presumably, she was having the hysterectomy for a reason. I wonder if she would have even been able to sustain a pregnancy?
2012-12-17 11:09:22 PM  
3 votes:
There's really only a few options.

1. They did a pregnancy test, it came up negative, and so they did the operation thinking it was okay.
2. They didn't do a pregnancy test, because the woman said she did one already and they took her at her word.
3. They didn't do a pregnancy test, because the woman said she didn't care if she was pregnant.
4. They didn't do a pregnancy test, and were totally shocked with what they found inside.

If #1, they're in the clear, because it was an honest error. If #2 or #3, then not so good for the hospital, but it might be okay if the woman signed an informed consent form, saying she understood the risks and accepted them. If #4, they're screwed. At least in America.
2012-12-17 11:05:52 PM  
3 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Not to mention that even if I go in for a cold they ask me when my last period was. Now, implantation of the fetus can cause spotting right about when your first missed period would be, so lots of women who only ever spot don't catch it until the second, but she had to have missed at least one more that would've become obvious with that one simple question.

\Not to mention that I can't think of a condition requiring a hysterectomy that shouldn't have required a scan of some sort for diagnosis. But then, they are often performed unnecessarily.
2012-12-17 11:01:04 PM  
3 votes:
What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

A certain percentage of doctors should be riffed out of the profession every year. Sure they've spent half a lifetime learning to be doctors, but some of them just suck at it and need to have their license revoked. The medical community protects their own, it's hard to get bad doctors out of medicine. In the US, it's nearly impossible, they just keep moving down the food chain. First they'll move to other states, then when no state board will have them, military, native American reservations, prisons, private prisons.

When customers can get more information on the quality of a home repair expert than a human repair expert, the system is farked.
2012-12-17 10:56:59 PM  
3 votes:
For the record, some women have irregular menstruation or will have bleeding during pregnancy, thus leading them to believe they aren't pregnant(well, at least for the first couple trimesters)

If a woman has uterine conditions such as fibroids, it may visually obscure an early term fetus on an ultrasound. That said, a stethescope should easily pick up a heartbeat of a baby that age.
2012-12-17 10:55:17 PM  
3 votes:
I had periods about once every 12-18 months, so there was no way to use that particular metric to tell if I was pregnant.

Being pregnant (especially more than once) can cause discomfort. The main thing that gynecologists want to do with you if you say you're "uncomfortable" down there is jerk out your uterus. They tell you, somewhat enigmatically, that your "sex life will improve" and your husband will be happy.

Some women think this may not be completely true and that it's somewhat similar to a man having his scrotum removed. Some kind of loss of sensation and...well...something else.

At any rate, it's not surprising they jerked it out. That's what they do. It takes quite a fighting spirit to keep them from yanking it out, especially if you've got three kids (seriously, who needs four kids, boys or no boys?)
2012-12-17 10:51:39 PM  
3 votes:
There's a lot of questions here that aren't answered...like:

-Did they give a pregnancy test that turned up negative?
-Did they do a standard of care exam after that which didn't note anything that indicated pregnancy?

If so, it's just a tragic incidence. If not, it's malpractice.
2012-12-17 10:51:39 PM  
3 votes:
Damn, that's heartbreaking.

/trolls be trollin' in herrrrre
2012-12-18 01:57:42 AM  
2 votes:
This is a DailyMail article, so God knows what's really going on, still...

Something is missing from this story. So far as I know pregnancy tests are routine for any kind of... well, major treatment at all. There are so many drugs and procedures that you can't do, or have to manage differently, if the patient is pregnant. The hospital I worked at would give pregnancy a test for walking in the door, and they wouldn't accept,"I can't possibly be pregnant!" You'd practically have to whip out a dong to get 'em to lay off. I remember one of the nurses telling me that their policy was to assume any female was pregnant until proven otherwise.

(I was approached for a pregnancy test when I went in for a minor procedure that didn't even require anesthesia, probably because of my female given name. This led to a mutually embarrassing encounter in which a nurse stopped in the doorway, looked at the balding, bearded dude on the bed, and said, "Welp! I guess you won't be needing this!")

Maybe U.K. is lax on this sort of thing, but it seems unlikely. This reeks of DailyMail batbaby nonsense.
2012-12-18 12:44:36 AM  
2 votes:

Mitrovarr: Presumably, she was having the hysterectomy for a reason. I wonder if she would have even been able to sustain a pregnancy?


This. You don't just lose your baby box for shiats n giggles one day. If it was cancer, might as well have lost the kid.
2012-12-17 11:36:55 PM  
2 votes:
I knew I shouldn't have clicked on a daily fail link. When half the pics in a serious article of a botched hysterectomy are of David Cameron, you've got some pretty serious problems.

/Installs Kitten Block
2012-12-17 11:26:41 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Oh they do, I got sterilized at 24. Before my tubes got tied - pregnancy test. Since getting fixed:

Radiation therapy for the first round breast cancer - pregnancy test

Mastectomy for the second round of breast cancer- pregnancy test

Chemo therapy - pregnancy test

Reconstruction of my breast - pregnancy test

I'm pretty sure they gave her a pregnancy test, the test are not always accurate and sadly this one slipped though. Based on she was 14 weeks pregnant and didn't know, I'm assuming something weird was going on with the pregnancy that helped it escape detection. I had three failed pregnancies before getting sterilized and I always knew by 8 weeks, it's pretty hard not to notice you skipped your period for two months. But sometimes weird stuff happens, she might have still had a light period which may have led to it not being detected. It's very sad what happened but a person has to accept that medical science is not 100%. My cancer was not completely destroyed the first time around since some of it evaded detection for a period of time. It came back worse for round two, but I don't blame the hospital - they gave me the best care they could provide with the technology we have.
2012-12-17 11:25:49 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


You heard the man, anybody who's 14 weeks pregnant no longer deserves to live. Please raise your hands now, and collect your robes for the gas chamber.

Srsly, WTF? If you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it. You give decent, hardworking trolls a bad name. Now try again.

//JK, you're a farkwit and no one here likes you.
-1/10
2012-12-17 11:06:41 PM  
2 votes:
Is it just me or does she look like she's wearing a bunch of noodles around her neck?

i.dailymail.co.uk
2012-12-17 11:02:44 PM  
2 votes:
Pregnant at 42? Fetus probably had Down syndrome; the doctor did her (and the taxpayers) a favor.
2012-12-17 10:56:19 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


Damn, dude, what the hell? I'm not sure if that's trolling, genuine, or insanity.
2012-12-17 10:51:51 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


...not sure if serious.

/lots of women have no idea they're pregnant, eapecially at 14 weeks
//and they can still have periods, especially in the 1st trimester
///there's a bunch of reasons women need a hysterectomy
////slashes

If not serious, lulz!
2012-12-17 10:50:37 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


1/10. You're trying too hard.
2012-12-17 10:24:17 PM  
2 votes:

jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.


and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it
2012-12-18 05:35:06 PM  
1 votes:

2 Replies: Not getting her period the FIRST MONTH should have been the first clue.

I hate to feed the trolls, but please try Education, it tastes great: http://www.epigee.org/menstruation/irregularperiods.html
And for an added bonus, without the pill menstruation is notoriously bad at following the gregorian calendar. it's almost like time is a human construct...

shortymac: There's some pretty bad sexism in the medical community concerning Hysterectomies. Doctors are very willing to rip them out at the first sign of trouble for older women because "they don't need them any more". With this logical all men would get castrated after they are done having kids because "they don't need them anymore".


I have exciting uterine issues, and over the years my surgeon has kept me up to date on the attitudes towards hysterectomies, and he assures me that the attitude in the community is changing towards keeping woman 'whole' as long as possible. Gives me hope.
2012-12-18 10:51:26 AM  
1 votes:

Atypical Person Reading Fark: I had periods about once every 12-18 months, so there was no way to use that particular metric to tell if I was pregnant.

Being pregnant (especially more than once) can cause discomfort. The main thing that gynecologists want to do with you if you say you're "uncomfortable" down there is jerk out your uterus. They tell you, somewhat enigmatically, that your "sex life will improve" and your husband will be happy.

Some women think this may not be completely true and that it's somewhat similar to a man having his scrotum removed. Some kind of loss of sensation and...well...something else.

At any rate, it's not surprising they jerked it out. That's what they do. It takes quite a fighting spirit to keep them from yanking it out, especially if you've got three kids (seriously, who needs four kids, boys or no boys?)


There's some pretty bad sexism in the medical community concerning Hysterectomies. Doctors are very willing to rip them out at the first sign of trouble for older women because "they don't need them any more". With this logical all men would get castrated after they are done having kids because "they don't need them anymore".
2012-12-18 10:46:39 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Every time I was admitted into a hospital since I was 16 they gave me a pregnancy test without even asking me or my parents. WTF?
2012-12-18 09:04:17 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


not true. wife just had surgery. signed the pregnancy test waiver. no test.
2012-12-18 08:31:35 AM  
1 votes:
I grew up in Cornwall, and Treliske Hospital is the only major hospital near most people there, and it has a dire reputation. I think it's incredible that nothing major has been done - every time I hear about some major malpractice case in the UK, it seems like a 50/50 chance that Treliske is involved.

For a litany of errors just google: treliske malpractice

This is as good news as it gets (I seem to remember this being on Fark too): http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/07/man-diagnosed-with-terminal-canc er-blows-lifes-savings/
2012-12-18 08:23:09 AM  
1 votes:
We don't even do an abdominal x-ray on a woman of childbearing age without positive confirmation that she isn't pregnant.

How on earth did they do a hysterectomy without getting that confirmation?
2012-12-18 07:45:24 AM  
1 votes:
Without the intervention of medication, I do not have periods and I no longer even ovulate without assistance at all, so strictly speaking an unplanned pregnancy is an incredibly unlikely event for me. Even with that, I'm given a pregnancy test even for dental procedures. I'm thinking this woman's doctor was really negligent, she thought she'd entered menopause (not unreasonable at 42) or they didn't think pregnancy was a possibility due to the nature of the condition for which she was having a hysterectomy.


octopied: For the record, some women have irregular menstruation or will have bleeding during pregnancy, thus leading them to believe they aren't pregnant(well, at least for the first couple trimesters)

If a woman has uterine conditions such as fibroids, it may visually obscure an early term fetus on an ultrasound. That said, a stethescope should easily pick up a heartbeat of a baby that age.



Uh, no. Not at 14 weeks. A doppler, yes, but not a stethoscope, not even a fetoscope. A fetal heart beat isn't usually audible with a fetoscope until around 20 weeks, at the earliest.
2012-12-18 05:10:48 AM  
1 votes:
Well you don't really need to debate whether the hospital messed up or not since the hospital said it did as did the patient. It sounds like they are in agreement.

The part I didn't get--and I assumed there were probably reasons for this I didn't comprehend--is why they wouldn't see the fetus before removing the uterus. I assumed they went in through the vagina and probably looked around while they figured out how to cut out the uterus. And given that the fetus is inside the uterus, I would think they would see it.

However, I looked this up, and I guess there are three ways to do a hysterectomy: through the stomach, through the vagina, and through both the stomach and vagina at the same time (where a small hole is made in the stomach to help guide the work from the vagina).

Even though through the stomach causes the most downtime, it's apparently the most common.

As for those saying she was doing this anyway to not have more babies, I don't think that hysterectomies are commonly done for that reason. That's usually done in the fallopian tubes, AFAIK.

Apparently hysterectomies are commonly done now even when not needed for benign conditions (got that from Wikipedia). I knew someone who had one done and I though she said it was for back problems, but I could be wrong.

Anyhow, I wish I had something funny to say about this story. But it's a downer really.
2012-12-18 05:03:15 AM  
1 votes:
The medical staff appears to have done everything they were supposed to. It's not like medical exams are all so magically perfect they can never screw up. They did the best job they were able to at the time, they realized they were wrong during surgery when it was too late to turn back, and they told her about it afterwards because they respected her rights as a human being. They appear to have been pretty responsible.

I understand she's upset - she essentially had an abortion she didn't intend - but nobody appears to have been particularly negligent. They did the standard testing and missed the pregnancy.

I mean, if it's really important to her to spend several years and legal cases telling her daughters "All I wanted was a son, you worthless coonts," then I really don't think her emotions should be respected. Because she clearly doesn't care about anyone else's.
2012-12-18 03:52:01 AM  
1 votes:
The article purposely leaves out why she had a hysterectomy. Sorry, but people do not have hysterectomies for no reason at all. Certainly not as birth control.
2012-12-18 03:23:15 AM  
1 votes:

Great Porn Dragon: some women who have to have D&Cs before the ablation proper because they have adhesions that make doing actual work Down There like hacking through the Green Hell of the Brazilian Rainforest


I don't know what language that is. Should I be aroused or disgusted?
2012-12-18 03:17:03 AM  
1 votes:
So she goes in for a surgery that will prevent her from having a kid then is upset when she can't have a kid. Settin' the bar a little high for America aren't we UK?
2012-12-18 02:19:57 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Mitrovarr: Presumably, she was having the hysterectomy for a reason. I wonder if she would have even been able to sustain a pregnancy?

This. You don't just lose your baby box for shiats n giggles one day. If it was cancer, might as well have lost the kid.


That was my first thought, hysterectomies aren't done for shiats and giggles, they're major surgery. And I'm calling shenanigans on the lack of pregnancy test, or at the very least I'm thinking it would have been dangerous for her to try to carry the baby to term.

/my cousin in the Navy has to get a pelvic exam every time she goes to the doc, even for a sinus infection.
2012-12-18 01:56:25 AM  
1 votes:
Wow... First time ever for this... I'm 42 and high on pain pills recovering from my hysterectomy so getting a kick or whatever ha

One off the first things the anesthesiologist said was "good news, you aren't pregnant! We can proceed" he did say its a bad day when that does happen tho so apparently it happens
2012-12-18 01:53:18 AM  
1 votes:

RandomRandom: What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.


On top of that, the drop out rate from med school is very low - varies but usually around 5%.
2012-12-18 01:28:05 AM  
1 votes:
I'm guessing that she had been on a list for surgery for months and had a normal, i.e. nonpregnant, ultrasound and physical and by the time they actually got around to doing the surgery 5 or 6 months later they didn't repeat the labs, ultrasound or even the physical exam. The doc lost his "licence" so I'm guessing he falsified that in some way and that's what got him "struck off."

No woman in America has any procedure requiring general anesthesia without a pregnancy test and that includes grandmas. The reason for that is that if some kid is born after inadvertently being subjected to an elective anesthetic and 21 years later if he's not a first round draft pick or a world renown rocket surgeon then it's definitely the hospital's fault and they're going to have to pay out of the ass.
2012-12-18 01:19:28 AM  
1 votes:
Dafuq? Don't they do ultrasounds before doing this kind of thing? Nobody bothered to palpate her stomach?
Wtf.

/nursing student, getting a kick, etc
2012-12-18 01:14:41 AM  
1 votes:
Not only a pregnancy test, I'd expect ultrasound to be done for anything more than trivial surgery. It's fast, non-invasive, safe, and the only real expense is the time of the technician. You'd think the surgeon would want a heads-up on any structural abnormalities that they might encounter, no? And a 14-week fetus is going to show up easily...
2012-12-18 12:55:56 AM  
1 votes:

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


I have no idea why but you are favorited, seriously I need to see where this goes
2012-12-18 12:55:38 AM  
1 votes:

queen biatch of the universe: Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.

Oh they do, I got sterilized at 24. Before my tubes got tied - pregnancy test. Since getting fixed:

Radiation therapy for the first round breast cancer - pregnancy test

Mastectomy for the second round of breast cancer- pregnancy test

Chemo therapy - pregnancy test

Reconstruction of my breast - pregnancy test

I'm pretty sure they gave her a pregnancy test, the test are not always accurate and sadly this one slipped though. Based on she was 14 weeks pregnant and didn't know, I'm assuming something weird was going on with the pregnancy that helped it escape detection. I had three failed pregnancies before getting sterilized and I always knew by 8 weeks, it's pretty hard not to notice you skipped your period for two months. But sometimes weird stuff happens, she might have still had a light period which may have led to it not being detected. It's very sad what happened but a person has to accept that medical science is not 100%. My cancer was not completely destroyed the first time around since some of it evaded detection for a period of time. It came back worse for round two, but I don't blame the hospital - they gave me the best care they could provide with the technology we have.



Good luck to you. I hope you are well, and dont have to go through anymore cancer b.s.
2012-12-18 12:31:32 AM  
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farkin breeder had too many anyway.
2012-12-18 12:18:42 AM  
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KrispyKritter: i'm thinking in the real world when things like this happen the Dr.'s keep their frickin' mouths shut so as not to get sued out of a career.


Really. And you know what? She'd be better off if she never found out. You can't, uh, put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Tenatra: Is it just me or does she look like she's wearing a bunch of noodles around her neck?
It's how they mourn in Cornwall. fark you're insensitive of other cultures.


It's no different than wearing a cross around your neck.

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2012-12-18 12:06:29 AM  
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Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.

Exactly. When I had surgery they made me take a pee test and they did a blood test just to be certain. There's no way a competent doctor wouldn't have done those tests.


True. When I had surgery to remove a failed pregnancy, they still gave me a blood test to check. Something's fishy here with this story.
2012-12-17 11:52:41 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Yup. When you're a woman of childbearing age, the very first thing every medical professional asks you to do is pee in a friggin' cup.
2012-12-17 11:46:11 PM  
1 votes:
2012-12-17 11:44:35 PM  
1 votes:
Why is it possible to book a hysterectomy at that hospital without having a negative pregnancy test (or deliberately falsifying a form, in which case the doc is farked)?

Fix the system and it won't happen again. Punish one person on the team for (tragic) human error and not a lot is accomplished except encouraging sweeping mistakes under the rug.

/puts on flame-retardant suit
2012-12-17 11:43:27 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: If #1, they're in the clear, because it was an honest error. If #2 or #3, then not so good for the hospital, but it might be okay if the woman signed an informed consent form, saying she understood the risks and accepted them. If #4, they're screwed. At least in America.


Whoa, slow down. On #3, that's the whole reason for the dispute. If she's the one that's upset because of the abortion and she said she didn't care if she was pregnant, then she's a crazy person and it's not the hospital's fault. It sounds to me like she wanted the operation because she was tired of wishing for a boy. Get your tubes tied, remove all chance of getting a boy, move on with your life.

But a new baby boy withing a few months of that decision would certainly negate those feelings.
2012-12-17 11:40:03 PM  
1 votes:
I can only speak for myself, but I'd likely be happy that my surgeon removed a large parasite from my body.
2012-12-17 11:37:02 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Exactly. When I had surgery they made me take a pee test and they did a blood test just to be certain. There's no way a competent doctor wouldn't have done those tests.
2012-12-17 11:35:12 PM  
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SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?


True, but a woman who still "wants" a boy shouldn't get a hysterectomy.

/also, it's the Daily Mail, so chances are the 'mom' was actually a sick chimpanzee or something
2012-12-17 11:20:53 PM  
1 votes:
i'm thinking in the real world when things like this happen the Dr.'s keep their frickin' mouths shut so as not to get sued out of a career.
2012-12-17 11:12:30 PM  
1 votes:
Again, gynecologists routinely offer hysterectomies to uncomfortable women without giving them "scans." They do a regular exam and suggest the operation.
2012-12-17 11:05:31 PM  
1 votes:

RandomRandom: What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

A certain percentage of doctors should be riffed out of the profession every year. Sure they've spent half a lifetime learning to be doctors, but some of them just suck at it and need to have their license revoked. The medical community protects their own, it's hard to get bad doctors out of medicine. In the US, it's nearly impossible, they just keep moving down the food chain. First they'll move to other states, then when no state board will have them, military, native American reservations, prisons, private prisons.

When customers can get more information on the quality of a home repair expert than a human repair expert, the system is farked.


Ooooookay. Was your family raped by a pack of wild doctors?
2012-12-17 11:00:37 PM  
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jaylectricity: namatad: Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.

Why have doctors at all? Why have them go through all the training?

If somebody wants a hot tub, I make sure their electrical service can handle it. I can't just install the wiring to the hot tub, then when the main breaker is tripping all the time tell them, "LOL you should have checked to see if your service could handle it!"

That's my job. A doctor's job is to make sure a patient is properly prepared for the surgery. In this case, a pregnancy test to see what they might find when they cut her open.


Eh...it involved the NHS so there's a reflexive defense of it. Don't take the person defending the hospital too seriously. It's reflexive and not a conscious decision.
2012-12-17 10:56:41 PM  
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Shostie: Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.

You say this like those tests are 100 percent accurate.


If they did the test and it came back negative, then it wouldn't quite be malpractice now would it? It's all about due diligence.
2012-12-17 10:53:31 PM  
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namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Is this like Logan's Run extreme? At 13 weeks we send them to Carousel?
2012-12-17 10:51:21 PM  
1 votes:
In other news

OMG SOMEBODY HAD SEX WITH THAT WOMAN!
2012-12-17 10:16:08 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.
2012-12-17 10:02:39 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


You say this like those tests are 100 percent accurate.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 10:00:04 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Yeah, if a doctor farks up it's always the patients fault.
2012-12-17 09:12:01 PM  
1 votes:
D'oh! Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Maybe they can cram everything back in.
 
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