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2012-12-17 09:09:21 PM
A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?
 
2012-12-17 09:12:01 PM
D'oh! Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Maybe they can cram everything back in.
 
2012-12-17 09:47:48 PM

SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?


a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit
 
2012-12-17 09:49:02 PM
I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.
 
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2012-12-17 10:00:04 PM

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Yeah, if a doctor farks up it's always the patients fault.
 
2012-12-17 10:02:39 PM

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


You say this like those tests are 100 percent accurate.
 
2012-12-17 10:16:08 PM

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.
 
2012-12-17 10:24:17 PM

jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.


and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it
 
2012-12-17 10:33:17 PM

namatad: Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.


Why have doctors at all? Why have them go through all the training?

If somebody wants a hot tub, I make sure their electrical service can handle it. I can't just install the wiring to the hot tub, then when the main breaker is tripping all the time tell them, "LOL you should have checked to see if your service could handle it!"

That's my job. A doctor's job is to make sure a patient is properly prepared for the surgery. In this case, a pregnancy test to see what they might find when they cut her open.
 
2012-12-17 10:50:37 PM

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


1/10. You're trying too hard.
 
2012-12-17 10:51:21 PM
In other news

OMG SOMEBODY HAD SEX WITH THAT WOMAN!
 
2012-12-17 10:51:39 PM
Damn, that's heartbreaking.

/trolls be trollin' in herrrrre
 
2012-12-17 10:51:39 PM
There's a lot of questions here that aren't answered...like:

-Did they give a pregnancy test that turned up negative?
-Did they do a standard of care exam after that which didn't note anything that indicated pregnancy?

If so, it's just a tragic incidence. If not, it's malpractice.
 
2012-12-17 10:51:51 PM

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


...not sure if serious.

/lots of women have no idea they're pregnant, eapecially at 14 weeks
//and they can still have periods, especially in the 1st trimester
///there's a bunch of reasons women need a hysterectomy
////slashes

If not serious, lulz!
 
2012-12-17 10:53:31 PM

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


Is this like Logan's Run extreme? At 13 weeks we send them to Carousel?
 
2012-12-17 10:54:12 PM

jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.


Yes And the operation was performed successfully. What's the issue?
 
2012-12-17 10:55:03 PM

namatad: a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live


Well, this escalated quickly.

seriously, DERP

Hey, you said it, not me.
 
2012-12-17 10:55:17 PM
I had periods about once every 12-18 months, so there was no way to use that particular metric to tell if I was pregnant.

Being pregnant (especially more than once) can cause discomfort. The main thing that gynecologists want to do with you if you say you're "uncomfortable" down there is jerk out your uterus. They tell you, somewhat enigmatically, that your "sex life will improve" and your husband will be happy.

Some women think this may not be completely true and that it's somewhat similar to a man having his scrotum removed. Some kind of loss of sensation and...well...something else.

At any rate, it's not surprising they jerked it out. That's what they do. It takes quite a fighting spirit to keep them from yanking it out, especially if you've got three kids (seriously, who needs four kids, boys or no boys?)
 
2012-12-17 10:56:19 PM

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


Damn, dude, what the hell? I'm not sure if that's trolling, genuine, or insanity.
 
2012-12-17 10:56:41 PM

Shostie: Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.

You say this like those tests are 100 percent accurate.


If they did the test and it came back negative, then it wouldn't quite be malpractice now would it? It's all about due diligence.
 
2012-12-17 10:56:59 PM
For the record, some women have irregular menstruation or will have bleeding during pregnancy, thus leading them to believe they aren't pregnant(well, at least for the first couple trimesters)

If a woman has uterine conditions such as fibroids, it may visually obscure an early term fetus on an ultrasound. That said, a stethescope should easily pick up a heartbeat of a baby that age.
 
2012-12-17 10:57:40 PM
loudboy

In other news

OMG SOMEBODY HAD SEX WITH THAT WOMAN!


In St Mabyn, Cornwall there aren't a lot of options. Sheep are watched closely.
 
2012-12-17 11:00:37 PM

jaylectricity: namatad: Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.

Why have doctors at all? Why have them go through all the training?

If somebody wants a hot tub, I make sure their electrical service can handle it. I can't just install the wiring to the hot tub, then when the main breaker is tripping all the time tell them, "LOL you should have checked to see if your service could handle it!"

That's my job. A doctor's job is to make sure a patient is properly prepared for the surgery. In this case, a pregnancy test to see what they might find when they cut her open.


Eh...it involved the NHS so there's a reflexive defense of it. Don't take the person defending the hospital too seriously. It's reflexive and not a conscious decision.
 
2012-12-17 11:01:04 PM
What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

A certain percentage of doctors should be riffed out of the profession every year. Sure they've spent half a lifetime learning to be doctors, but some of them just suck at it and need to have their license revoked. The medical community protects their own, it's hard to get bad doctors out of medicine. In the US, it's nearly impossible, they just keep moving down the food chain. First they'll move to other states, then when no state board will have them, military, native American reservations, prisons, private prisons.

When customers can get more information on the quality of a home repair expert than a human repair expert, the system is farked.
 
2012-12-17 11:02:44 PM
Pregnant at 42? Fetus probably had Down syndrome; the doctor did her (and the taxpayers) a favor.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:31 PM

RandomRandom: What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

A certain percentage of doctors should be riffed out of the profession every year. Sure they've spent half a lifetime learning to be doctors, but some of them just suck at it and need to have their license revoked. The medical community protects their own, it's hard to get bad doctors out of medicine. In the US, it's nearly impossible, they just keep moving down the food chain. First they'll move to other states, then when no state board will have them, military, native American reservations, prisons, private prisons.

When customers can get more information on the quality of a home repair expert than a human repair expert, the system is farked.


Ooooookay. Was your family raped by a pack of wild doctors?
 
2012-12-17 11:05:52 PM

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Not to mention that even if I go in for a cold they ask me when my last period was. Now, implantation of the fetus can cause spotting right about when your first missed period would be, so lots of women who only ever spot don't catch it until the second, but she had to have missed at least one more that would've become obvious with that one simple question.

\Not to mention that I can't think of a condition requiring a hysterectomy that shouldn't have required a scan of some sort for diagnosis. But then, they are often performed unnecessarily.
 
2012-12-17 11:06:41 PM
Is it just me or does she look like she's wearing a bunch of noodles around her neck?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-12-17 11:06:57 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Pregnant at 42? Fetus probably had Down syndrome; the doctor did her (and the taxpayers) a favor.


Fortunate mistake? In my hysterectomy? It's more likely than you think.
 
2012-12-17 11:09:22 PM
There's really only a few options.

1. They did a pregnancy test, it came up negative, and so they did the operation thinking it was okay.
2. They didn't do a pregnancy test, because the woman said she did one already and they took her at her word.
3. They didn't do a pregnancy test, because the woman said she didn't care if she was pregnant.
4. They didn't do a pregnancy test, and were totally shocked with what they found inside.

If #1, they're in the clear, because it was an honest error. If #2 or #3, then not so good for the hospital, but it might be okay if the woman signed an informed consent form, saying she understood the risks and accepted them. If #4, they're screwed. At least in America.
 
2012-12-17 11:11:17 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.

Not to mention that even if I go in for a cold they ask me when my last period was. Now, implantation of the fetus can cause spotting right about when your first missed period would be, so lots of women who only ever spot don't catch it until the second, but she had to have missed at least one more that would've become obvious with that one simple question.

\Not to mention that I can't think of a condition requiring a hysterectomy that shouldn't have required a scan of some sort for diagnosis. But then, they are often performed unnecessarily.


Not to mention I should stop posting tonight because obviously the cold meds have dropped my coherence and anti-repetition filters.
 
2012-12-17 11:12:30 PM
Again, gynecologists routinely offer hysterectomies to uncomfortable women without giving them "scans." They do a regular exam and suggest the operation.
 
2012-12-17 11:12:51 PM

namatad: 14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.


Maybe the fact that there's something wrong with her uterus, leading to her needing a hysterectomy? Unless you have documentary evidence that her periods were regular every prior month, you should probably shut it, since you look like even more of an asshole than usual.
 
2012-12-17 11:12:57 PM

namatad: jaylectricity: namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit

Don't act dumb. She didn't expect to be pregnant, she wasn't trying to get pregnant. She went to the doctor to have an operation concerning her reproductive system.

It's common sense to do a pregnancy test on her before the surgery.

and therefore why would she be upset about the operation being a success?
did expect?
did expect that having sex could lead to a baby?
STRANGE, they said she already had children. You would think after 3 children that you would learn that SEX leads to BABIES.

14 weeks? So she did have he period for 3+ months, AFTER having sex?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder what could be the reason for that.

WHY was she have the Hysterectomy? so that she couldnt get pregnant anymore?
Yes, I know, without details it could have been endo or any one of a billion other reasons.
But in the end, she had no expectation of a baby when she went to have her uterus taken out.

WHY is it that no one is responsible anymore?
IF a baby was so important, why did she have the operation to start with?
WHY was she extra careful about getting tested before the surgery??

Sick and tired of the "it is someone else's fault" syndrome.
I guess the best thing happened, aborting the baby. She would have raised a terrible child.

meh
whatever
boohooo poor mommy

/sorry not buying it


cdn.styleforum.net
 
2012-12-17 11:20:53 PM
i'm thinking in the real world when things like this happen the Dr.'s keep their frickin' mouths shut so as not to get sued out of a career.
 
2012-12-17 11:24:40 PM
Daily outrage made up story of outrage? Check.
 
2012-12-17 11:25:33 PM

Chibi Shinigami: If so, it's just a tragic incidence. If not, it's malpractice.


Do they not use an ultrasound? I don't understand...
 
2012-12-17 11:25:49 PM

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


You heard the man, anybody who's 14 weeks pregnant no longer deserves to live. Please raise your hands now, and collect your robes for the gas chamber.

Srsly, WTF? If you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it. You give decent, hardworking trolls a bad name. Now try again.

//JK, you're a farkwit and no one here likes you.
-1/10
 
2012-12-17 11:26:23 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Again, gynecologists routinely offer hysterectomies to uncomfortable women


Oh, I know a lot of uncomfortable women. This could go big!
 
2012-12-17 11:26:41 PM

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Oh they do, I got sterilized at 24. Before my tubes got tied - pregnancy test. Since getting fixed:

Radiation therapy for the first round breast cancer - pregnancy test

Mastectomy for the second round of breast cancer- pregnancy test

Chemo therapy - pregnancy test

Reconstruction of my breast - pregnancy test

I'm pretty sure they gave her a pregnancy test, the test are not always accurate and sadly this one slipped though. Based on she was 14 weeks pregnant and didn't know, I'm assuming something weird was going on with the pregnancy that helped it escape detection. I had three failed pregnancies before getting sterilized and I always knew by 8 weeks, it's pretty hard not to notice you skipped your period for two months. But sometimes weird stuff happens, she might have still had a light period which may have led to it not being detected. It's very sad what happened but a person has to accept that medical science is not 100%. My cancer was not completely destroyed the first time around since some of it evaded detection for a period of time. It came back worse for round two, but I don't blame the hospital - they gave me the best care they could provide with the technology we have.
 
2012-12-17 11:31:09 PM

namatad: SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?

a mother who was 14 weeks pregnant should not be allowed to have children ... or live
seriously, DERP
not like there were no way for this tard to go to the store and buy a test kit


HA no doubt.
And at 14 weeks, (over three months) a test is almost not even necessary.
Not getting her period the FIRST MONTH should have been the first clue.
 
2012-12-17 11:33:54 PM
unrealitymag.com
 
2012-12-17 11:35:12 PM

SecretAgentWoman: A gynecologist that can't figure out a mother is 14 weeks pregnant before surgery should never be allowed to practice medicine again. WTF?


True, but a woman who still "wants" a boy shouldn't get a hysterectomy.

/also, it's the Daily Mail, so chances are the 'mom' was actually a sick chimpanzee or something
 
2012-12-17 11:36:55 PM
I knew I shouldn't have clicked on a daily fail link. When half the pics in a serious article of a botched hysterectomy are of David Cameron, you've got some pretty serious problems.

/Installs Kitten Block
 
2012-12-17 11:37:02 PM

Ambivalence: I thought it was normal practice to give women pregnancy tests before any moderate to major medical procedure. I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant and they still give me the pee test. Every...single...time.


Exactly. When I had surgery they made me take a pee test and they did a blood test just to be certain. There's no way a competent doctor wouldn't have done those tests.
 
2012-12-17 11:37:50 PM

loudboy: In other news

OMG SOMEBODY HAD SEX WITH THAT WOMAN!


I'm confused. That's actually a dude, right? How can he be pregnant?
 
2012-12-17 11:40:03 PM
I can only speak for myself, but I'd likely be happy that my surgeon removed a large parasite from my body.
 
2012-12-17 11:40:45 PM

RandomRandom: What do they call the guy who finished last in his class at medical school?

Doctor.

A certain percentage of doctors should be riffed out of the profession every year. Sure they've spent half a lifetime learning to be doctors, but some of them just suck at it and need to have their license revoked. The medical community protects their own, it's hard to get bad doctors out of medicine. In the US, it's nearly impossible, they just keep moving down the food chain. First they'll move to other states, then when no state board will have them, military, native American reservations, prisons, private prisons.

When customers can get more information on the quality of a home repair expert than a human repair expert, the system is farked.


There's also the problem that some of them start out good but age gets to them.
 
2012-12-17 11:42:42 PM
Ambivalence: I could tell a doctor there is absolutely NO way I'm pregnant

It's been that long, huh?
 
2012-12-17 11:43:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: If #1, they're in the clear, because it was an honest error. If #2 or #3, then not so good for the hospital, but it might be okay if the woman signed an informed consent form, saying she understood the risks and accepted them. If #4, they're screwed. At least in America.


Whoa, slow down. On #3, that's the whole reason for the dispute. If she's the one that's upset because of the abortion and she said she didn't care if she was pregnant, then she's a crazy person and it's not the hospital's fault. It sounds to me like she wanted the operation because she was tired of wishing for a boy. Get your tubes tied, remove all chance of getting a boy, move on with your life.

But a new baby boy withing a few months of that decision would certainly negate those feelings.
 
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