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2012-12-18 10:46:24 AM
2 votes:
So it seems like it should be summed up like this
1. People have a right to go about their business unmolested
2. Dogs, even the best trained and socialized dogs, are still animals who can behave unpredictably
3. Dogs, being much better designed animals than humans, can do a great deal of damage in a small amount of time before they can be stopped
4. Many people have not been raised around dogs and are anxious around dogs. Many people have been attacked by dogs and are anxious around dogs. Dogs can sense tension and respond to it
5. A well trained and friendly dog looks no different than an untrained and aggressive dog.

So, to sum up, unless you are in a dog park or off leash park, leash your dog. To not do so is not only not safe (for both the dog as well as people, as some people will respond to what they perceive as a threat with overwhelming force), but it also smacks of inconsiderate douchbaggery.
2012-12-17 10:09:25 PM
2 votes:
I've played disc golf in quite a few multi-use parks in New England. I don't think I've ever had a problem with a loose dog. Far more issues with loose children. There's where the leash laws could come in handy.
2012-12-17 09:58:59 PM
2 votes:

DigitalCoffee: It's not just Sarasota. Florida, in general, is very dog un-friendly. I live just south, in Brevard County, where we have ~60 miles of beach/coast line. Back around 2005ish I remember watching a series of county commission meetings where a group was trying to get a small section of beach (less than .25 miles) declared a 'Dog Beach'. It was shot down... unanimously. The vast majority of parks around here do NOT allow dogs at all and the very few that do require leashes. There is one dog park "near by" that we go to on occasion that is about 12 miles away out in the boonies. My dog (chow chow/yellow lab mix (short hair, purple tongue, curly tail)) deserves better than this.


Having grown up and kept my first dog in an area of the midwest with no dog parks at all, I do understand your longing for a place for dogs to run free.

All I can say is raise donations for another dog park. A multi-purpose park is not a good place for off-leash dogs.
2012-12-17 09:58:55 PM
2 votes:
Played disc golf for years, encountered unleashed dogs all the time...although now that I think about it, it was more while mountain biking than disc golfing. I hate unleashed dogs in leash zones. No I don't literally hate the dog, I just hate encountering unleashed dogs. The owners always say 'oh the dog won't bite'. I really don't like to leave that up to the dog.
2012-12-17 09:37:15 PM
2 votes:

spidermilk: OK the funny part is that about 5 houses down we have a nice city park which includes a nice, big, partially wooded disc golf course. And of course I let my dog run around without a leash. My dog is trained to come when I call though and he listens to me plus has an extreme 'leave it' that keeps him from any stray frisbees.

He isn't really used to chasing frisbees anyway so he isn't really attracted to them- I have tried throwing frisbees for him because I can throw them further with less effort, but they are WAY too easy for him to destroy. Any normal frisbee he can immediately crack in half. The black kong frisbee was also easily destroyed...

Yea we go leashless all the time- it is why I love winter because all our great city parks are empty. I never do this around busy streets and we always leash up when we are going to pass someone. Never had a problem.


never had a problem - until the first time. there are leash laws for good reasons. know it all's like you are why other peoples pets get bit or animal lovers (like my wife) cry many tears when your dog finally does chase whatever one day and it's dusk/dark, rainy and wham. then you're upset, my wife is upset, it costs us over $1500 to fix the undercarriage of the Scion not including the front air dam still needing replacement but worst of all your pet is dead. people like you that are so cock-sure they are just great dog trainers and pet owners bring sorrow to other people and pets, it's just a matter of time. the world is full of your type. you'll never change. mr know it all. you make me sick.
2012-12-17 09:08:40 PM
2 votes:

spidermilk: OK the funny part is that about 5 houses down we have a nice city park which includes a nice, big, partially wooded disc golf course. And of course I let my dog run around without a leash. My dog is trained to come when I call though and he listens to me plus has an extreme 'leave it' that keeps him from any stray frisbees.

He isn't really used to chasing frisbees anyway so he isn't really attracted to them- I have tried throwing frisbees for him because I can throw them further with less effort, but they are WAY too easy for him to destroy. Any normal frisbee he can immediately crack in half. The black kong frisbee was also easily destroyed...

Yea we go leashless all the time- it is why I love winter because all our great city parks are empty. I never do this around busy streets and we always leash up when we are going to pass someone. Never had a problem.


Passed a woman in the last four-score weeks who had her big dog leash-less, "controlled" by whistles...

Look, I'm a walking human, walking to where I must go just now, and if your leash-less dog even so much as mildly threatens me, I will try to walk away, but if it continues to approach me hostily, I will continue to try to retreat from your angry leash-less dog, who knows why it's angrily approaching me, however, if this angry, leash-less dog gets too close, I will execute it swiftly...
2012-12-18 01:17:23 PM
1 votes:

gunther_bumpass: MisterRonbo:
Didn't kill any. Did have to stomp one, large dog, aggressively barking and basically looking like it was about to rip me apart. I yelled for the owner to grab it, more than once, he just sneered. I stomped the dog, he jumped me,



So, you basically attacked a dog because he was looking at you funny.



That's pretty badass.


No, I attacked the dog because it was barking, snarling, baring its teeth, ears back, all of the "I'm about to bite you" signs. And after giving the owner multiple warnings/requests to get his dog under control.

I guess "aggressively barking" and "looking like it was about to attack me" are too hard for you to comprehend. Jeez.
2012-12-18 12:05:11 PM
1 votes:
0z79
That's about the least cool thing I've ever read.
Let me get this straight: the fact that this person was tortured as a kid gives you the warm fuzzies. The nature of this abuse involved canines, which led to them retaliating against the torture device (which you think they had no right to do).
To this day they feel remorse about it... and somehow they deserve it all?
Dude, I've been lurking here for 10 years. I think I'm sick of reading you.
But I'm not going to block you. I'm going to keep you on, just so I have a reminder of how not to be a decent human being every time I read anything from you.
You're a self-admitted sociopath though, so I'll stop pissing in the wind. You go back to torturing kittens or whatever.


Well you are putting words in my mouth so I'm going to assume you are just going off because my post pissed you off. Which is fine ... my post was pretty angry. The summary of my point is that this guy claims to have hurt or killed dogs many times that were "threatening" him. I was a mail carrier for a few years and now I practically live in the park in the summer time and I've never had my life threatened by a dog once. The fact that this repeatedly happens to this guy means he is out there looking for an excuse to kill dogs because of his fear. That's it. And yes, I feel like those types of people are worthless and they should remove themselves from society.

As for the "self admitted sociopath" I have no idea what you are talking about. I guess you are just pissed about my post and decided to copy the words I used against the other guy, that's fine, vent away. My post was angry/mean/sarcastic but is the first time I have written a post like that in about a year.
2012-12-18 11:37:11 AM
1 votes:

timujin: I got the feeling BigLuca wasn't so much promoting the idea of letting your dog run loose off the street as he was the idea that shooting said dog might be a tad bit of an overreaction. I hope, for the sake of you kid, that you agree.


Yep, that's it. I keep my dogs on a leash 100% of the time. When they were about 6 months old a guy biking on the sidewalk ran into me and knocked my leash out of my hand. The female dog I have immediately ran and jumped in the lap of an older dude sitting in his car with the door open. The dog was about 8lbs at the time. The guy was understanding and just brought the leash back to me and helped me off the ground (I got hit pretty hard). In MisterRonbo world he would have killed or seriously hurt my dog and felt justified doing it. True, it's my fault and I should keep the leash in my hand at all time, but people drop leashes, ropes break, collars get loose. And then you have MisterRonbo proud in their mental illness and is proud that he kills dogs because they "approach him" repeatedly regardless of size, temperament or intent.
2012-12-18 10:28:19 AM
1 votes:
I am not a scary person, I am a 5' tall female; if someone had a problem with me I imagine they would tell me. Does it really upset you so much to see someone throwing a ball for a dog in an empty field 50 yards away???
Response 1 all wel & good until, as happened to me recetnly, your dog spots mine (on a leash) and comes charging after it. The owner was screaming at the dog to no avail. Fortunately I had enough time to scoop my small-ish dog up - ended up holding him above my head as the other dog was leaping at him while the owner came slowly jogging over "sorry soory he's never done that before" And i've never kicked a dog or a woman lady, but next time I will.

Really? People are afraid of dogs? That's ridiculous. I can see being scared of people, but dogs? You don't have to be tough to not be scared of dogs, that's just standard being a people.
Response 2 I'd be happy to share pictures of the scars on my face from an unprovoked dog attack. We were out in the middle of nowhere & the first doctor we could get to didn't want to even try to sticch me up - he just staple my face back together & we hauled ass to the nearest big city. 2 operations later I've got a scar 1/8 inch below my left eye & a round one on my throat about a 1/4" from my jugular- a result of him clamping onto my face. But he'd never done anything like that before!
End not Cool stories - and I still love all dogs. But they are still animals
2012-12-18 03:35:19 AM
1 votes:

BigLuca: MisterRonbo

The rest of the world seems to get by without getting mauled on a daily basis by joy filled toy poodles, maybe that should give you a hint that the problem is in your own brain (and you are just a scared scared little boy) and not with the vicious Pugs of the world. If you have some compulsion to kill dogs because of your self admitted irrational fear, maybe the next time you feel the need to pull a weapon on an innocent dog, you should just use it to end your own problem permanently.

I'm just going to post this and then I'm putting you (and your alt) on ignore because life is too short for trolls or retards or whatever the hell you are. Just because you had experience that turned you a bitter, twisted fark and got your ass kicked (I'd like to shake that guys hand btw) doesn't mean that you should unleash your misery on the rest of the world. And just because a dog looks at you and *gasp* approaches you and *double gasp* might try to jump up on you doesn't mean you get to take a baseball bat to a 7lbs Pomeranian's head. And they very fact you would try to brag about that on the internet really shows your worth as a human being.

My advice: Keep doing what your are doing. Pretty soon you will pull out your 9mm and put a cap in the ass of some golden retriever that happened to smell your shoe, and that Viet Nam vet whose helper, and last friend in the world, you just murdered will be carrying too, and he'll decide his freedom is a fair price to pay to take a piece of shiat like you out of the world.

And I'd like to shake that guys hand as well.


That's about the least cool thing I've ever read.

Let me get this straight: the fact that this person was tortured as a kid gives you the warm fuzzies. The nature of this abuse involved canines, which led to them retaliating against the torture device (which you think they had no right to do).

To this day they feel remorse about it... and somehow they deserve it all?

Dude, I've been lurking here for 10 years. I think I'm sick of reading you.

But I'm not going to block you. I'm going to keep you on, just so I have a reminder of how not to be a decent human being every time I read anything from you.

You're a self-admitted sociopath though, so I'll stop pissing in the wind. You go back to torturing kittens or whatever.
2012-12-18 03:28:44 AM
1 votes:

ahasp: BigLuca: MisterRonbo

The rest of the world seems to get by without getting mauled on a daily basis by joy filled toy poodles, maybe that should give you a hint that the problem is in your own brain (and you are just a scared scared little boy) and not with the vicious Pugs of the world. If you have some compulsion to kill dogs because of your self admitted irrational fear, maybe the next time you feel the need to pull a weapon on an innocent dog, you should just use it to end your own problem permanently.

I'm just going to post this and then I'm putting you (and your alt) on ignore because life is too short for trolls or retards or whatever the hell you are. Just because you had experience that turned you a bitter, twisted fark and got your ass kicked (I'd like to shake that guys hand btw) doesn't mean that you should unleash your misery on the rest of the world. And just because a dog looks at you and *gasp* approaches you and *double gasp* might try to jump up on you doesn't mean you get to take a baseball bat to a 7lbs Pomeranian's head. And they very fact you would try to brag about that on the internet really shows your worth as a human being.

My advice: Keep doing what your are doing. Pretty soon you will pull out your 9mm and put a cap in the ass of some golden retriever that happened to smell your shoe, and that Viet Nam vet whose helper, and last friend in the world, you just murdered will be carrying too, and he'll decide his freedom is a fair price to pay to take a piece of shiat like you out of the world.

And I'd like to shake that guys hand as well.

Or....that Vietnam Vet could have just put his dog on a leash. My son is very allergic to dogs. As a results he is scared of them (he's just a little guy). He freaks out when we are out walking and some "friendly" dog starts running up to him and we hear the owner calling out from the distance "It's okay, he won't bite". Mind you, we only go to play in parks where dogs aren't allowed (none of ...


I got the feeling BigLuca wasn't so much promoting the idea of letting your dog run loose off the street as he was the idea that shooting said dog might be a tad bit of an overreaction. I hope, for the sake of you kid, that you agree.
2012-12-18 01:41:25 AM
1 votes:

BigLuca: MisterRonbo

The rest of the world seems to get by without getting mauled on a daily basis by joy filled toy poodles, maybe that should give you a hint that the problem is in your own brain (and you are just a scared scared little boy) and not with the vicious Pugs of the world. If you have some compulsion to kill dogs because of your self admitted irrational fear, maybe the next time you feel the need to pull a weapon on an innocent dog, you should just use it to end your own problem permanently.

I'm just going to post this and then I'm putting you (and your alt) on ignore because life is too short for trolls or retards or whatever the hell you are. Just because you had experience that turned you a bitter, twisted fark and got your ass kicked (I'd like to shake that guys hand btw) doesn't mean that you should unleash your misery on the rest of the world. And just because a dog looks at you and *gasp* approaches you and *double gasp* might try to jump up on you doesn't mean you get to take a baseball bat to a 7lbs Pomeranian's head. And they very fact you would try to brag about that on the internet really shows your worth as a human being.

My advice: Keep doing what your are doing. Pretty soon you will pull out your 9mm and put a cap in the ass of some golden retriever that happened to smell your shoe, and that Viet Nam vet whose helper, and last friend in the world, you just murdered will be carrying too, and he'll decide his freedom is a fair price to pay to take a piece of shiat like you out of the world.

And I'd like to shake that guys hand as well.


Or....that Vietnam Vet could have just put his dog on a leash. My son is very allergic to dogs. As a results he is scared of them (he's just a little guy). He freaks out when we are out walking and some "friendly" dog starts running up to him and we hear the owner calling out from the distance "It's okay, he won't bite". Mind you, we only go to play in parks where dogs aren't allowed (none of the city parks in my town allow dogs, except a fenced off dog run in one of the parks). And we go hiking on a trail where leashes are required. I equate dog owners who take their dogs off leash in places where dogs aren't allowed or are supposed to be leashed with douchenozzle bike riders who run reds. You and your dog are supposed to follow the rules too.
2012-12-18 01:30:31 AM
1 votes:
MisterRonbo

The rest of the world seems to get by without getting mauled on a daily basis by joy filled toy poodles, maybe that should give you a hint that the problem is in your own brain (and you are just a scared scared little boy) and not with the vicious Pugs of the world. If you have some compulsion to kill dogs because of your self admitted irrational fear, maybe the next time you feel the need to pull a weapon on an innocent dog, you should just use it to end your own problem permanently.

I'm just going to post this and then I'm putting you (and your alt) on ignore because life is too short for trolls or retards or whatever the hell you are. Just because you had experience that turned you a bitter, twisted fark and got your ass kicked (I'd like to shake that guys hand btw) doesn't mean that you should unleash your misery on the rest of the world. And just because a dog looks at you and *gasp* approaches you and *double gasp* might try to jump up on you doesn't mean you get to take a baseball bat to a 7lbs Pomeranian's head. And they very fact you would try to brag about that on the internet really shows your worth as a human being.

My advice: Keep doing what your are doing. Pretty soon you will pull out your 9mm and put a cap in the ass of some golden retriever that happened to smell your shoe, and that Viet Nam vet whose helper, and last friend in the world, you just murdered will be carrying too, and he'll decide his freedom is a fair price to pay to take a piece of shiat like you out of the world.

And I'd like to shake that guys hand as well.
2012-12-18 12:58:20 AM
1 votes:

AssAsInAssassin: Will the assault on our (dogs') freedom never end?


It's farking hard to find parks that allow dogs down here. Plenty of human dogs though.
2012-12-17 11:22:31 PM
1 votes:

spidermilk: [i37.photobucket.com image 534x800]
That is what my disc golf park looks like all winter- completely empty and full of pristine snow...

And these contraptions are how you know it is a disc golf course for those who have never heard of this sport: 
[i37.photobucket.com image 572x800]


That's a good looking dog you have there.
2012-12-17 11:17:11 PM
1 votes:
Normally a thread like this will be full of people with their CSBs about their pets and a bazillion pictures. Tonight it seems that all the douche bags are out with threats to kill, kick, or shoot your dog. Seriously, what the fark?
2012-12-17 11:06:54 PM
1 votes:

MisterRonbo: If you pull out a pistol to deal with it, I guess one of us is going to die. Maybe you think if you're the survivor that makes you right. And who knows, maybe you will be the survivor. Maybe.


i.imgur.com
2012-12-17 10:55:18 PM
1 votes:

tsferg: spidermilk: OK the funny part is that about 5 houses down we have a nice city park which includes a nice, big, partially wooded disc golf course. And of course I let my dog run around without a leash. My dog is trained to come when I call though and he listens to me plus has an extreme 'leave it' that keeps him from any stray frisbees.

He isn't really used to chasing frisbees anyway so he isn't really attracted to them- I have tried throwing frisbees for him because I can throw them further with less effort, but they are WAY too easy for him to destroy. Any normal frisbee he can immediately crack in half. The black kong frisbee was also easily destroyed...

Yea we go leashless all the time- it is why I love winter because all our great city parks are empty. I never do this around busy streets and we always leash up when we are going to pass someone. Never had a problem.

I cant quite put my finger on it...maybe its the humblebrag, maybe its the lack of comprehension of the problem....but man are you a douchebag.


What *is* the problem? I walk my dog off-leash in the deserted wooded portion of a park, the disc golfers smoke weed, some bratty teens litter. The problem is???

I am not a scary person, I am a 5' tall female; if someone had a problem with me I imagine they would tell me. Does it really upset you so much to see someone throwing a ball for a dog in an empty field 50 yards away???
2012-12-17 10:11:24 PM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: spidermilk: OK the funny part is that about 5 houses down we have a nice city park which includes a nice, big, partially wooded disc golf course. And of course I let my dog run around without a leash. My dog is trained to come when I call though and he listens to me plus has an extreme 'leave it' that keeps him from any stray frisbees.

He isn't really used to chasing frisbees anyway so he isn't really attracted to them- I have tried throwing frisbees for him because I can throw them further with less effort, but they are WAY too easy for him to destroy. Any normal frisbee he can immediately crack in half. The black kong frisbee was also easily destroyed...

Yea we go leashless all the time- it is why I love winter because all our great city parks are empty. I never do this around busy streets and we always leash up when we are going to pass someone. Never had a problem.

never had a problem - until the first time. there are leash laws for good reasons. know it all's like you are why other peoples pets get bit or animal lovers (like my wife) cry many tears when your dog finally does chase whatever one day and it's dusk/dark, rainy and wham. then you're upset, my wife is upset, it costs us over $1500 to fix the undercarriage of the Scion not including the front air dam still needing replacement but worst of all your pet is dead. people like you that are so cock-sure they are just great dog trainers and pet owners bring sorrow to other people and pets, it's just a matter of time. the world is full of your type. you'll never change. mr know it all. you make me sick.


This is exactly how it happens.
2012-12-17 10:09:01 PM
1 votes:

noitsnot: Dog parks just concentrate irresponsible dog owners into mosh pits of horrible behavior and slack-jawed owners who are "so sorry" about how your dog now needs stitches


Yea I quit going to our dog parks because people were constantly bringing in their brand new, unvaccinated puppies, or throwing their terrified dogs in the lake (I once saw someone throw their ENGLISH BULLDOG into the lake- not a deep lake, but English Bulldogs cannot swim, and the owner immediately had to jump in and retrieve the dog), or allowing aggressive dogs to pin other dogs.

Most of all there would be about 40 dogs in a 1/2 acre park- in my opinion it is just highly unlikely that 40 dogs are going to calmly frolic together all the time- especially when new dogs are constantly coming in.
2012-12-17 10:04:28 PM
1 votes:

Abox: Played disc golf for years, encountered unleashed dogs all the time...although now that I think about it, it was more while mountain biking than disc golfing. I hate unleashed dogs in leash zones. No I don't literally hate the dog, I just hate encountering unleashed dogs. The owners always say 'oh the dog won't bite'. I really don't like to leave that up to the dog.


Funny enough, in my city (which apparently is EXTREMELY dog friendly with our 3 fenced and 3 unfenced off-leash dog parks) one of the unfenced off-leash dog parks IS ALSO a mountain biking course.

I have never understood it because it seems extremely dangerous for dogs to be running around and mountain bikers jetting around- like a horrible crash is imminent.
2012-12-17 10:02:51 PM
1 votes:
GungFu: wtf is a 'disc golf course'?

Ambivalence: It's golf for people who can't afford real golf. Frisbees mostly.

Disc golf:

No tee times.
Informal.
No one throws Frisbees.
No emphasis on putting. A disc-golf putt is more like sinking a basketball. You get close enough, you know it's going in.
Ambivalence: you don't know what you are talking about.
2012-12-17 09:49:54 PM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: never had a problem - until the first time. there are leash laws for good reasons. know it all's like you are why other peoples pets get bit or animal lovers (like my wife) cry many tears when your dog finally does chase whatever one day and it's dusk/dark, rainy and wham. then you're upset, my wife is upset, it costs us over $1500 to fix the undercarriage of the Scion not including the front air dam still needing replacement but worst of all your pet is dead. people like you that are so cock-sure they are just great dog trainers and pet owners bring sorrow to other people and pets, it's just a matter of time. the world is full of your type. you'll never change. mr know it all. you make me sick.


Are you joking? I make you sick? You really think that no dog can be trained to respond off-leash? What about the countless working dogs that do just that every single day?

Even though my dog is reliable, I never walk him *near* any roads let alone busy roads at night.

Also my town has 2 large, COMPLETELY UNFENCED dog parks that are large enough that your dog would have to run completely out of your site to get to the road. Weird, how people can allow their dogs to walk with them there and there are no problems with 100s of dead dogs littering the road.

and it is ms. know it all to you...
2012-12-17 09:30:22 PM
1 votes:
Dogs should only be off-leash when they're in a dog park. I'll forgive people for walking dogs off-leash in an empty park, but the moment another person shows up the leash should go on.
2012-12-17 09:28:18 PM
1 votes:
i37.photobucket.com
That is what my disc golf park looks like all winter- completely empty and full of pristine snow...

And these contraptions are how you know it is a disc golf course for those who have never heard of this sport: 
i37.photobucket.com
2012-12-17 09:04:23 PM
1 votes:

99.998er: Forget about the safety issues. What about the shiat disc players have to avoid?


I carry an entire roll of bags with me to clean up after my dog. And in the dog's defense, my local disc golf players have a problem with leaving bottles (occasionally broken!) around the park.
2012-12-17 09:03:45 PM
1 votes:

GungFu: wtf is a 'disc golf course'?

/drtfa


It's a special park for potsmokers.
2012-12-17 09:03:04 PM
1 votes:
OK the funny part is that about 5 houses down we have a nice city park which includes a nice, big, partially wooded disc golf course. And of course I let my dog run around without a leash. My dog is trained to come when I call though and he listens to me plus has an extreme 'leave it' that keeps him from any stray frisbees.

He isn't really used to chasing frisbees anyway so he isn't really attracted to them- I have tried throwing frisbees for him because I can throw them further with less effort, but they are WAY too easy for him to destroy. Any normal frisbee he can immediately crack in half. The black kong frisbee was also easily destroyed...

Yea we go leashless all the time- it is why I love winter because all our great city parks are empty. I never do this around busy streets and we always leash up when we are going to pass someone. Never had a problem.
2012-12-17 08:59:41 PM
1 votes:
images.mylot.com

FRISBEE!
2012-12-17 08:59:20 PM
1 votes:
Forget about the safety issues. What about the shiat disc players have to avoid?
2012-12-17 08:57:24 PM
1 votes:
Allowing dogs to run around in a city park without leashes: questionable actionable.

Having a dog, and letting it run free in a public place, is like owning an assault rifle.
 
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