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2012-12-18 07:22:23 AM

Gordon Bennett: Let's try that again, with the picture this time. Preview is my friend. 

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Yep, WinCE all over again. Except it should have been obvious that those devices couldn't run regular apps, with a screen that small and (on most devices) no keyboard. What tripped me up back then was finding out too late that there were TWO WinCEs which could not run each other's software.

Then, of course, there was Windows NT, which looked like regular Windows but was incompatible with a lot of Windows desktop software. People may not have bought it for desktop PCs accidentally, but the Windows brand & look helped it dominate and destroy Novell, even though it was a shiatty OS for a network server -- precisely because it had all that extra code & cycles devoted to running a Windows GUI. People had no idea how much that 3D pipes screensaver was dragging down their performance.

In my day, there was none of this namby-pamby "user friendly" crap. We entered code a byte at a time on binary switches -- and we liked it!

(I kid. We used punchcards.)
 
2012-12-18 07:32:43 AM
Does anybody expect to be able to run Windows software on Windows phones?
 
2012-12-18 07:37:53 AM

finnished: Does anybody expect to be able to run Windows software on Windows phones?


You mean you can`t?
 
2012-12-18 07:55:43 AM

finnished: Does anybody expect to be able to run Windows software on Windows phones?


What's a Windows phone?
 
2012-12-18 08:11:40 AM
The ONLY thing Microsoft really has going for it, even today, is brand recognition and the homogeneity of its product lines. People buy Microsoft because they've always bought Microsoft. People expect that when you buy Windows you can run Windows software like Office. They expect to be able to run current, future and past Windows software like Office 2007 or 2010.

When you release a version of Windows that can't run Windows software, you're throwing everything you have to sell right out the window.

/ to be fair, I never thought Ballmer was terribly bright to begin with and he's part of the reason I'm afraid to invest in Microsoft long term
 
2012-12-18 08:22:29 AM

terminalx: Why I sold my IPad for the Surface.

First, I researched windows rt before I bought it (I know thats crazy!)

My printer works without any third Party software or utility.
Battery life is similar to what I got on my Ipad
I can use my Xbox controller to play games made for it
I can run two apps side by side
The share option remembers the last few things you did to make it faster in repeating that task. For example, I emailed some pics but a couple hours later I had more to send so it gives me the email address of who I sent before.
I can connect a mini hdmi cable and get an even bigger screen to play games, movies whatnot on.
I can expand my storage with a micro sd card
I can listen to all the music I want for 9.99 a month online or offline
I have office that comes free with my device
I have support for the device until 2016
I can use over 400,000,000 devices with it
My windows phone can be managed from my tablet and I can charge it without being plugged into a power source.
My favorites are the same on both my pc and tablet.
The only thing I could perceive as a negative would be lack of apps but lets be real here its MS eventually everyone will be on board.


This.

I picked up a 64 gb Surface last week so I could get first-hand experience with it, and after a week of use, I don't get what all the snarking is about (and I've tossed some weapons-grade snark over the years). I've owned every iPad, and several of the higher-end Android devices. All were (mostly) great devices. However, my Surface is simply the best tablet I've ever owned. It does everything I need, and is the first tablet that had a prayer of replacing my laptop on a short business trip - thanks to the keyboard cover and Office.

I'm no fanboy of any platform, but I'm really pleased with Microsoft's admittedly late entry into this space.
 
2012-12-18 08:28:18 AM

finnished: Does anybody expect to be able to run Windows software on Windows phones?


As long as the phone meets the technical specs, why not? Your average Windows user has no idea about processor architecture. Theoretically, the Lumia 920 meets the technical specifications to run Office 2010 and Office 2010 runs on Windows 8 and this is a Windows 8 phone so why shouldn't it be possible, right?

Even more importantly, running Office on a Surface actually makes some sense and the typical Surface RT user is the regular Joe "Angry Birds" Consumer. You think he's going to understand that the ARM processor-based tablet isn't going to let him run Office on Windows? It's Office, it runs on Windows, it's a tablet that runs Windows, why shouldn't it work?

I can understand if they did this with the Surface version that was aimed at professionals since you're more likely to get an IT person involved who will understand all these things, but to make this decisions with the consumer version that you're aiming at people who think "Intel" is the processor in their computer and have never even heard of "ARM" is just terrible business. 

And then top it all off with the fact that the marketing guys are running around saying "Windows 8 is completely compatible with existing Windows apps!" and "It's one OS on everything now!" and the whole thing is just plain absurd. I don't see how they thought anything less than significant confusion would ensue.
 
2012-12-18 08:33:48 AM
Surface is a really nice product. Hopefully it takes off. Competition in the tablet market only helps.
 
2012-12-18 08:35:00 AM

Dinjiin: StoPPeRmobile: ATM Machine?

JITC = Just-in-time compilation. It falls between source interpreters/emulators and source compilers/translators. Think of an old BASIC code interpreter that can save its work in a cache after interpreting it. If it comes across a line of code that is already in the cache, it hits the cache instead of re-interpreting it.


FTFY
 
2012-12-18 08:55:16 AM

terminalx: Unobtanium: StoPPeRmobile: I kinda miss mine. Instant boot.

I had an HPC, too, a Compaq. Went next to a Palm IIIc. After my Palm died I went without for a while, running an Android phone now.

I was in an airport last week, and they were offering "prizes" for trying out the RT tablets. I couldn't get the guy to admit that it would not run Office actually on the machine. The lines were along, "well,you have access to all the same Office apps." "You have 32 GB of on-board storage." To be fair, I didn't push it that hard, but it felt a little misleading. I probably should have asked a very specific question - "If I take this on a plane, and don't pay for on-board internet access, can I still use Office in flight?"

Oh, yeah, my "prize" was a five-dollar "coupon" on Living Social - no thanks. I was pleasantly surprised they didn't ask for an e-mail address just to fill out the post-demo survey.

I can't tell if you are trolling or truly believe what you wrote.

Office actually runs on the surface with no network connection I am in airplane mode and word opens like it should.

If you move the recovery partition to a USB drive you have about 21 GB available. You can add a mini SD card to get more space but can't save apps to it, that could change the OS is barely 2 Months old.


I will apologize then. I was going on bad info, apparently. It didn't help that the guy doing the demo seemed to not answer my questions.
 
2012-12-18 09:03:59 AM
An entire decade has passed and I still can't stop laughing at Windows RG
 
2012-12-18 09:06:44 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You think he's going to understand that the ARM processor-based tablet isn't going to let him run Office on Windows?


every Surface RT has a version of office preloaded. can we stop with this incorrect talking point?

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And then top it all off with the fact that the marketing guys are running around saying "Windows 8 is completely compatible with existing Windows apps!" and "It's one OS on everything now!" and the whole thing is just plain absurd. I don't see how they thought anything less than significant confusion would ensue.


well it is one OS. but only the new "Windows Run Time" (aka "Metro") style apps will be auto-portable between architectures.

Unobtanium: I will apologize then. I was going on bad info, apparently. It didn't help that the guy doing the demo seemed to not answer my questions.


on the commuter bus to work every day i sit behind one of the higher ups in training those field sales techs. he's constantly cranky because they're idiots who don't learn what they're taught.



I agree that the naming will creating confusion.

"Windows Phone" is obviously a phone, people are not going to expect it to run their desktop apps
"Windows Surface RT" is a tablet, it looks like their desktop version of windows, but it cannot run all the apps (RT=Run Time, btw. Metro apps run in "Windows RT")
"Windows Surface Pro" is a tablet, but it's also an ultraboook. it runs the desktop version of windows (W8Pro), and runs everything
"Windows 8"/"Windows 8 Pro" is the desktop version.


I totally agree that there is not sufficient built-in-naming differentiation - blame branding who thinks we need to stomp "Windows" on everything that uses the windows kernel.
 
2012-12-18 09:07:29 AM
Or they could just have an emulator that can run x86 programs.
 
2012-12-18 09:11:11 AM
The problem here is that Microsoft cares much more about what is good for Microsoft than it cares about what is good for their customers. This shows massive contempt for their users and leads to piss poor decisions such as:

Releasing a Flagship Windows Phone only months ago, despite knowing it will never be upgradable to Windows Phone 8 or be able to run apps made for Windows Phone 8. Now there are customers with a new two year contract stuck with instantly outdated hardware.

Forcing the Metro interface on Windows 8 users on the desktop, because the most important thing for Microsoft is to leverage Windows to break into the tablet space, not to allow users to leverage 20 years of training to get their work done. There's nothing wrong with Metro on a touch screen, but forcing it on desktops over screams of protest from your customers shows a high level of contempt for your customers.

Then there is the part where you ignore good advice from Dell. Your customers are supposed to be more important to you than "leveraging the Windows brand." You could have gone with Windows Metro, at least.
 
2012-12-18 09:12:52 AM

Dinjiin: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Q12013 the Surface Pro comes out and does exactly what this Dell doorknob is complaining about, but that would mean that salespeople wouldn't get their pre-xmas commission checks.

It would have been nice if Microsoft had included an x86->ARM binary translator. I used an x86->Alpha translator (FX!32) on my DEC Alpha workstation back in the day and it ran apps at about 90% of native speed*. Given that we've had a decade of research into JITC compilers and x86 virtual machines, I'd expect translators to be even better.

Sorry MS, you have to beat Apple via some other game. Giving people access to a huge library of Windows app was one of them. But you had to fark that up, too.


/once the app translation was mostly in cache


Two things:
Alpha RISC >> x86 (the Pentium Pro gained more ground than anyone expected, but Alpha ruled until Carly Fiorina bought DEC and killed Alpha).
X86 >> ARM (at least in performance)

Was the 90% native speed the native speed on a pentium vs. Alpha? Thats a hit of at least a factor of 3-4. Going the other way is going to make windows insanely painful.

The other catch is that RT only uses apps bought from the MSStore. It isn't like they want to give that up.
 
2012-12-18 09:17:21 AM
On the subject of computing devices with no real-world use, I really wish someone would finally come up with a version of Linux which will run on my Sun Blade 100.

/A big, inconvenient phone without the phone part or a slow, crippled laptop that you can't type on.
 
2012-12-18 09:34:51 AM

Dinjiin: JITC compiler... StoPPeRmobile: ATM Machine?

JITC = Just-in-time compilation compiler compiler. So yeah, ATM Machine.


FTFY
 
2012-12-18 09:40:34 AM

namatad: why buy a windows tablet to start with?
between droid and ios, WHY would you use anything else?
esp since the turd wont run windows apps??


I edited you LOL comment out, because it didn't fit.

I'd love to have it on a celluar phone, the Lumia 920 for instance. IMHO Metro is far superiour to iOs, and somewhat superiour to Androids widgets.

It doesn't have as many applications, but who cares, there's like 10 applications max. I want to run on a celluar phone, and it has those.


I think the number of available applications means more on a tablet, which is why I got an Nexus 7, but the picture is still kinda the same. Metro rules for touch based devices, it just does. I don't really know what applications I'd want for a tablet that Windows RT doesn't have, since again, all the common stuff people want is the stuff that gets ported first.
 
2012-12-18 09:47:30 AM
Kazan: on the commuter bus to work every day i sit behind one of the higher ups in training those field sales techs. he's constantly cranky because they're idiots who don't learn what they're taught.

I also do a lot of training, in a different field. I can sympathize.

/Since this is Fark, instead of apologizing to terminalx, I probably should have thrown an ad hominem "fanboi" and run off.
 
2012-12-18 09:57:29 AM

Unobtanium: Kazan: on the commuter bus to work every day i sit behind one of the higher ups in training those field sales techs. he's constantly cranky because they're idiots who don't learn what they're taught.

I also do a lot of training, in a different field. I can sympathize.

/Since this is Fark, instead of apologizing to terminalx, I probably should have thrown an ad hominem "fanboi" and run off.


Oddly, these threads can be informative and downright pleasant as long as the usual suspects of brand boosters don't show up.

I ended up trying a Windows RT tablet this weekend at the Microsoft Store at the Mall of America this weekend (right before buying an iPhone 5 across the hall at the Apple store, oddly enough). For the most part I liked it. there were little quirks I need to learn to use one effectively, though. For example, I was trying to figure out the gesture to bring up the charm bar.

I'm interested in seeing how the Surface Pros with Atoms perform. I recently tried running a WMCE PC on an Atom D2500 and it was a little bit of a let down.
 
2012-12-18 09:59:24 AM
cache.gizmodo.com
 
2012-12-18 10:19:28 AM

finnished: Does anybody expect to be able to run Windows software on Windows phones?


I dunno, but I wouldn't blame someone if they made that mistake.

I'm sure that the MS tablets will be just as successful as the Zune.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:28 AM

BullBearMS: The problem here is that Microsoft cares much more about what is good for Microsoft than it cares about what is good for their customers. This shows massive contempt for their users and leads to piss poor decisions such as:


I agree with everything you said, but I would say MS cares about what it THINKS is good for MS. Making the customers happy and turning a profit should be the top two things any company that cares about its future does.

Really, this whole product family launch has been epic in it's marketing failure. Windows RT. Windows Phone 8. Surface. Windows 8. Metro. No wait, Modern. Forget we ever said Metro. Surface RT. Surface Pro. Office RT: commercial use? Maybe. Compatible? Almost completely. IE 10, two versions! Surface is a tablet, not the table thing we used to call Surface. Windows Phone 7.8. Windows Tagg.

It's so bad that I have to wonder about the internal decision making at a company that would allow such a dismal launch. Is it all Ballmer's heavy handed and head-in-the-sand strategy, or is it that they are caught up in GroupThink and seriously can't smell their own shiat?
 
2012-12-18 10:21:34 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: This isn't Microsoft's fault. It's shiatty salespeople
...
Microsoft's goal is not to overtake iOS, it's to get a toe-hold in the tablet market.

Besides, I have a feeling that once the execs and salespeople get a good look at the Surface Pro, the Enterprise market will start driving towards it instead of the iPad.


Damn, just tear up that ticket, man, your horse is dying out there.

It's pretty sad to see people defending Microsoft so vehemently when they're dying slow death with that throwback Ballmer at the helm. Did you notice how 3 years ago there was no "tablet market" for these me-toos in which to dump their crappy, user-hostile products? Face it: only a longtime MS dev or "edgy" anti-Apple reverse-fanboi would possibly defend them, because the Microsoft strategy is--and essentially always has been--sifting through the proverbial dumpsters behind Apple's R+D. All they have is a few more years of slowing momentum before they die. Just let it go.
 
2012-12-18 10:26:19 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Besides, I have a feeling that once the execs and salespeople get a good look at the Surface Pro, the Enterprise market will start driving towards it instead of the iPad.


Not while outlook is left out in the cold they won't..
 
2012-12-18 10:28:30 AM

vpb: I can't imagine it will be that successful. The problem is that by the time it hit's critical mass where there is enough software for it to be useful, Windows pro will be available on Atom tablets for the same or a similar price.

So why buy the crippled version?


I'd say the reason to buy it would be to have all of your portable devices on the same platform. The way iPhones and iPads and iPod Touch all run iOS. And the way Android phones and tablets all run Android.

Except the Win8 Phone and Win8 RT platforms aren't directly compatible so...Um...Yeah, why would anyone buy the RT tablets?

Sure, properly designed "Metro" apps will work across all three platforms but how many useful Metro apps exist right now? The whole thing's just a big mess.
 
2012-12-18 10:30:29 AM
Oddly, these threads can be informative and downright pleasant

Yep.

As for the tablets, I am really in the market for a laptop, my current "want" keeps bouncing around either a Toshiba R935 or the Asus S405.

I am supposed to have a "free" Kindle Fire HD coming my way. Would not have been my first choice, but the price is right. Might root it.
 
2012-12-18 10:35:30 AM

ebamit: It does everything I need, and is the first tablet that had a prayer of replacing my laptop on a short business trip - thanks to the keyboard cover and Office.


You got a special licence for that? Cos if you look at your box, your breaking the terms of your licence agreement in a big way....
 
2012-12-18 10:42:45 AM

cman: Microsoft does not invest in common sense. Microsoft just does not get it. With Gates, Microsoft was at their zenith. Gates understood the product. Ballmer isn't a geek; he can never understand


No, no; they're both geeks, they just used very different definitions. Gates was a geek in the technologically-minded sense. Ballmer is a geek in the biting-the-heads-off-chickens-as-performance-art sense.
 
2012-12-18 10:47:33 AM

gerbilpox: Gordon Bennett: Let's try that again, with the picture this time. Preview is my friend. 

[www.richterscale.org image 418x342]

Yep, WinCE all over again. Except it should have been obvious that those devices couldn't run regular apps, with a screen that small and (on most devices) no keyboard. What tripped me up back then was finding out too late that there were TWO WinCEs which could not run each other's software.

Then, of course, there was Windows NT, which looked like regular Windows but was incompatible with a lot of Windows desktop software. People may not have bought it for desktop PCs accidentally, but the Windows brand & look helped it dominate and destroy Novell, even though it was a shiatty OS for a network server -- precisely because it had all that extra code & cycles devoted to running a Windows GUI. People had no idea how much that 3D pipes screensaver was dragging down their performance.

In my day, there was none of this namby-pamby "user friendly" crap. We entered code a byte at a time on binary switches -- and we liked it!

(I kid. We used punchcards.)


We knew in the datacenter. Someone had to remember to reboot the Windows NT servers at least weekly, or the Pipes screensaver would memory leak and crash the server.
 
2012-12-18 10:48:48 AM

Kazan: Vegan Meat Popsicle: You think he's going to understand that the ARM processor-based tablet isn't going to let him run Office on Windows?

every Surface RT has a version of office preloaded. can we stop with this incorrect talking point?

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And then top it all off with the fact that the marketing guys are running around saying "Windows 8 is completely compatible with existing Windows apps!" and "It's one OS on everything now!" and the whole thing is just plain absurd. I don't see how they thought anything less than significant confusion would ensue.

well it is one OS. but only the new "Windows Run Time" (aka "Metro") style apps will be auto-portable between architectures.

Unobtanium: I will apologize then. I was going on bad info, apparently. It didn't help that the guy doing the demo seemed to not answer my questions.

on the commuter bus to work every day i sit behind one of the higher ups in training those field sales techs. he's constantly cranky because they're idiots who don't learn what they're taught.



I agree that the naming will creating confusion.

"Windows Phone" is obviously a phone, people are not going to expect it to run their desktop apps
"Windows Surface RT" is a tablet, it looks like their desktop version of windows, but it cannot run all the apps (RT=Run Time, btw. Metro apps run in "Windows RT")
"Windows Surface Pro" is a tablet, but it's also an ultraboook. it runs the desktop version of windows (W8Pro), and runs everything
"Windows 8"/"Windows 8 Pro" is the desktop version.


I totally agree that there is not sufficient built-in-naming differentiation - blame branding who thinks we need to stomp "Windows" on everything that uses the windows kernel.


Would that "commuter bus" be a Seattle Metro 545 "trail of tears" from Seattle to Redmond perchance?
 
2012-12-18 10:51:00 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: This isn't Microsoft's fault. It's shiatty salespeople who are either uneducated about the product or deliberately deceptive and are trying to get sales in before Christmas.

Q12013 the Surface Pro comes out and does exactly what this Dell doorknob is complaining about, but that would mean that salespeople wouldn't get their pre-xmas commission checks.


Actually, it is. When Apple did a PPC -> Intel move, they simply provided software (Rosetta) to allow running non native on new boxes. Also made sure Devs can release universal versions.

Microsoft could have done that without any trouble, albeit with a slower end-product since it would be on a slower chip. But for 99.99% of the pc software, save for games it would be enough.

Just sayin'
 
2012-12-18 10:54:02 AM

thehighesttree: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: This isn't Microsoft's fault. It's shiatty salespeople
...
Microsoft's goal is not to overtake iOS, it's to get a toe-hold in the tablet market.

Besides, I have a feeling that once the execs and salespeople get a good look at the Surface Pro, the Enterprise market will start driving towards it instead of the iPad.

Damn, just tear up that ticket, man, your horse is dying out there.

It's pretty sad to see people defending Microsoft so vehemently when they're dying slow death with that throwback Ballmer at the helm. Did you notice how 3 years ago there was no "tablet market" for these me-toos in which to dump their crappy, user-hostile products? Face it: only a longtime MS dev or "edgy" anti-Apple reverse-fanboi would possibly defend them, because the Microsoft strategy is--and essentially always has been--sifting through the proverbial dumpsters behind Apple's R+D. All they have is a few more years of slowing momentum before they die. Just let it go.


Thats going to leave a pretty empty campus... over 100 buildings... lots of real estate, figuratively as well as literally.

I don't think they'll drop dead any time soon, there's a lot of revenue streams into the company besides consumer phones. This is still a move to gain customers... and it'll probably succeed, eventually, in some way or other.

Meanwhile those Sharepoint, Exchange, IIS, Office licenses just keep rollin along. XBOX is "long in the tooth" but still quite viable...

In the Enterprise, Microsoft is still king, and there is really no contender unless you credit Google Office... And a lot of companies have specific policies about not trusting weird third party data sharing. Google is being beat up in Europe over this very thing at the moment, which is ironic since 14 yrs ago Microsoft was the one that couldn't stay out of trouble in the EU.

Regardless, MS isn't going anywhere, even if the Android is the default phone platform in the future, and even if some people still think MS's business model is tied to imitating Apple. Thats been dead for a long time. MS's revenue is squarely in the enterprise now, and these lines of business are still pretty solid.
 
2012-12-18 10:54:10 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The ONLY thing Microsoft really has going for it, even today, is brand recognition and the homogeneity of its product lines.


Homogenized Microsoft
2% FilchedMac
 
2012-12-18 10:56:48 AM
I called it. Just saying.

Microsoft has four app ecosystems: Windows 8 on the Desktop, Windows 8 on the Surface, the Surface RT, and Windows Phone. Yes, I realize that Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but apps not designed to run on the Surface specifically aren't going to work well there.
 
2012-12-18 11:09:37 AM

Esc7: Windows RT is the most godawful, wrongly formed name for an operating system in existence. What does it even FARKING MEAN? Run Time? That's stupid. Is it to call back to Windows CE that NO ONE CARES ABOUT?

It's just goddamn embarrassing to have such major company fail so hard at just creating a name that just isn't completely idiotic. It isn't hard. MetroOS, SurfaceOS, Windows Metro, any of those would be less dumb.


*clears throat*

"Windows Phone 8".

/ It's like they let the accounts receivable guy name it
 
2012-12-18 11:09:59 AM

MightyPez: I'm interested in seeing how the Surface Pros with Atoms perform. I recently tried running a WMCE PC on an Atom D2500 and it was a little bit of a let down.


Surface Pro is not running atom. Surface Pro is running on an Ivy Bridge i5. Atom based ones are being made by third parties i believe.

Bacontastesgood: Modern. Forget we ever said Metro.


that was a rumor

thehighesttree: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: This isn't Microsoft's fault. It's shiatty salespeople
...
Microsoft's goal is not to overtake iOS, it's to get a toe-hold in the tablet market.

Besides, I have a feeling that once the execs and salespeople get a good look at the Surface Pro, the Enterprise market will start driving towards it instead of the iPad.

Damn, just tear up that ticket, man, your horse is dying out there.

It's pretty sad to see people defending Microsoft so vehemently when they're dying slow death with that throwback Ballmer at the helm. Did you notice how 3 years ago there was no "tablet market" for these me-toos in which to dump their crappy, user-hostile products? Face it: only a longtime MS dev or "edgy" anti-Apple reverse-fanboi would possibly defend them, because the Microsoft strategy is--and essentially always has been--sifting through the proverbial dumpsters behind Apple's R+D. All they have is a few more years of slowing momentum before they die. Just let it go.


actually you're one of the few people in this thread being a pure fanboi or hater. shut up, hypocrite.

Generation_D: Would that "commuter bus" be a Seattle Metro 545 "trail of tears" from Seattle to Redmond perchance?


no. and i've never heard that nickname for it an i'm confused as to why.

i use the MS Connector to get to work. MS FTE only.

Lord Dimwit: Microsoft has four app ecosystems: Windows 8 on the Desktop, Windows 8 on the Surface, the Surface RT, and Windows Phone. Yes, I realize that Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but apps not designed to run on the Surface specifically aren't going to work well there.


you might want to check your 'facts'
 
Zel
2012-12-18 11:11:11 AM

terminalx: Why I sold my IPad for the Surface.

First, I researched windows rt before I bought it (I know thats crazy!)

My printer works without any third Party software or utility.
Battery life is similar to what I got on my Ipad
I can use my Xbox controller to play games made for it
I can run two apps side by side
The share option remembers the last few things you did to make it faster in repeating that task. For example, I emailed some pics but a couple hours later I had more to send so it gives me the email address of who I sent before.
I can connect a mini hdmi cable and get an even bigger screen to play games, movies whatnot on.
I can expand my storage with a micro sd card
I can listen to all the music I want for 9.99 a month online or offline
I have office that comes free with my device
I have support for the device until 2016
I can use over 400,000,000 devices with it
My windows phone can be managed from my tablet and I can charge it without being plugged into a power source.
My favorites are the same on both my pc and tablet.
The only thing I could perceive as a negative would be lack of apps but lets be real here its MS eventually everyone will be on board.


I was going to say this checklist looks like my new android, but there are a lot of caveats. For half what you paid I miss printing and "support till 2016" whatever that means. No hdmi, and getting the Xbox controller working will be a challenge.

Still, droid has bookmarks sharing, music streaming, app support out the wazoo... this one has splitscreen, sd cards, and everyone has email addresses sharing memory.
 
2012-12-18 11:14:07 AM

jake_lex: This is exactly why Apple doesn't call what runs on an iPad, iPhone, or iPod Touch "OS X", and even why Google keeps Android on phones and tablets and has another name entirely for what runs on laptop devices, Chrome OS.

You'd think Microsoft would have realized that.


This. All of this.
 
2012-12-18 11:15:45 AM

xsarien: / It's like they let the accounts receivable guy name it


You mean Randy Thompson?
 
2012-12-18 11:19:00 AM

Kazan: that was a rumor


What are you talking about?

Metro was the official 'design language' of the tile phone interface, and was widely promoted up until August this year as the tile interface for W8. Then MS ran into trademark trouble with Metro AG, a German company. So they sent out missives to stop using that term and flirted with the term "Modern" for the UI. At some point they then started calling the UI simply "Windows 8", or sometimes "Microsoft Design Language".

So, it's even more confusing than what I said, but there was no "rumor". This happened, there are numerous press releases and memos. It's a marketing clusterfark because even tech reporters are still using every farking term above to refer to the tile interface.
 
2012-12-18 11:19:15 AM
No Probs here. I run Windows LM. Linux Mint.
 
2012-12-18 11:20:15 AM
Windows ReTurn for a Refund.



you're welcome
 
2012-12-18 11:33:02 AM

Kazan: Bacontastesgood: Modern. Forget we ever said Metro.

that was a rumor


Ah, an astroturfer.
 
2012-12-18 11:33:34 AM

Kazan: Lord Dimwit: Microsoft has four app ecosystems: Windows 8 on the Desktop, Windows 8 on the Surface, the Surface RT, and Windows Phone. Yes, I realize that Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but apps not designed to run on the Surface specifically aren't going to work well there.

you might want to check your 'facts'


What there is incorrect?
 
2012-12-18 11:34:47 AM
Though I agree, what do you expect from Dell customers?

narkor: Headline is neckbeard Linux fanboy trolling. Dell doesn't make a Windows RT device.


Have you seen the Dell XPS 10?

Click on the "Tech Specs" tab for Windows RT goodness.
 
2012-12-18 11:36:41 AM

CmndrFish: Windows RT shouldn't even exist. You can get very competitive battery life and better performance out of a Clovertrail (the new Atom) processor.

It seriously has no point in existing. Just dump the platform entirely and give everybody who made the mistake of buying a Surface RT a few hundred off of a (hypothetical) Clovertrail Surface or Surface Pro and be done with it.


All MS really needed to do was figure out how to deploy a x86 tablet with some basic 3D support for the price of a iPad instead of an ultrabook. You could run all your classic games on it and have it run the work related x86 applications as well. A couple SD cards with the games and one with the work stuff. Instead they're deploying a lower end crippleware platform and an upper end platform whose price makes me go "fark it, I'll just buy a laptop."
 
2012-12-18 11:38:06 AM

Lord Dimwit: Kazan: Lord Dimwit: Microsoft has four app ecosystems: Windows 8 on the Desktop, Windows 8 on the Surface, the Surface RT, and Windows Phone. Yes, I realize that Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but apps not designed to run on the Surface specifically aren't going to work well there.

you might want to check your 'facts'

What there is incorrect?


Win8 desktop IS what will run on the full-power Surface. It will run the same apps as any other desktop (subject to processing power and all, probably not doing CAD on it). It's basically a laptop.
 
2012-12-18 11:42:34 AM
 
2012-12-18 11:43:46 AM

LasersHurt: Lord Dimwit: Kazan: Lord Dimwit: Microsoft has four app ecosystems: Windows 8 on the Desktop, Windows 8 on the Surface, the Surface RT, and Windows Phone. Yes, I realize that Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but apps not designed to run on the Surface specifically aren't going to work well there.

you might want to check your 'facts'

What there is incorrect?

Win8 desktop IS what will run on the full-power Surface. It will run the same apps as any other desktop (subject to processing power and all, probably not doing CAD on it). It's basically a laptop.


Right, that's what I said. Windows 8 Surface and Windows 8 Desktop are the same thing, but if your app isn't designed to run without a keyboard, it's going to be more difficult to use on the Surface.
 
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