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(Fox News)   In a tiny bit of silver lining to the latest mass slaughter committed through the use of high-capacity firearms, Discovery is cancelling one of its gun-fetish shows   (foxnews.com) divider line 231
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2012-12-18 04:37:26 AM

log_jammin: 3StratMan: SmellsLikePoo: The Troof hurts: Either way it would be nice if the media would stop calling the AR-15 an assault rifle.

This should be good... Go on, we're all listening....

What makes a rifle an "assault rifle" anyway?

In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[4][5][6]

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
It must be capable of selective fire;
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.
And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet)

an AR-15 is an assault rifle and it always has been despite what The Troof hurts and rush limbaugh would have us believe.


No selective fire on the AR-15. Semi auto only.
 
2012-12-18 04:47:16 AM

StoPPeRmobile: No selective fire on the AR-15. Semi auto only.


that's because they have to be by law. Pre 1986 have selective fire.

regardless, it is an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-18 06:19:02 AM
Can we all agree on one thing please: Paige is hawt.

/first time seeing her in this thread
//came for the gun law pontificating, leaving satisfied
 
2012-12-18 06:46:24 AM
FTA: "Nonetheless this tragedy has as much to do about lawful use of guns as the lawful use of cars has to do with a car bombing."

Cars are not mentioned as a cause in car bombings because the bomb is what causes the explosion and killing power. In this tragedy, like others, the guns are what caused the high death toll. Guns are used because they are easier to acquire and use in a deadly fashion.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:24 AM

The Troof hurts: Either way it would be nice if the media would stop calling the AR-15 an assault rifle.


Why? it was just used in a petty horrific assault now wasn't it?

Noting akes non-gun people roll their eyes at you faster than this ridiculous obsession with labels and nomenclature
 
2012-12-18 07:34:29 AM
Yea that daughter is hot

Sad day indeed
 
2012-12-18 08:00:01 AM
Well, once you start going down this road, where do you draw the line? What about the game assassins creed? It's commercials are of a sniper taking a head shot of some unwitting guy.
 
2012-12-18 08:47:01 AM

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Skipping over the not-unanticipated derp, I will say that I wish Discover would cancel everything but Mythbusters and Dirty Jobs and start all over again, going back to the original mission statement about it being some kind of learning experience. "Deadliest Catch" has run its course.


Bad news there, dude: it was canceled a few weeks ago. 

www.deadline.com/2012/11/discovery-channels-dirty-jobs-cancelled/
 
2012-12-18 08:55:18 AM

kg2095: The Troof hurts: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: wildcardjack: orclover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.motherjones.com image 466x625]

/but don't call it a fetish

If I had a bushmaster, this ad would make me want to melt it down out of shame.

It's a toy. Something people dress up and buy all sorts of accessories for. Just because it can put a hole in something it's regarded as a dangerous object.

I can think of some other reasons.

Alcohol kills more people than pistols and rifles in this country. Why the rage about rifles?

Because they are totally unnecessary accessories for people who feel inadequate.

A gun is a machine that is used to kill. Now why would anyone want such a machine unless they were aimin' to do themselves some killin'?

Self Defense? When was the last time any of you gun fetishists ever defended yourself or anyone else with your killing machine?

In case of foreign attack? Your gun is equally useless against ICBMs and 767s.

Guns are for psychos and knobs.


Um, I used my gun to protect myself. Did not have to fire it. Without my gun, I am sure I would have been beaten and robbed at the least. Maybe I would have been killed. I was away from home, so I would have been stranded. But yeah, protecting your own life is completely psychotic.
 
2012-12-18 09:14:55 AM
But all the other reality shows highlighting and celebrating mental illness for fun and profit get to stay on. Good to know they've focused on the real problem here.
 
2012-12-18 09:37:49 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day (the 80s) DnD and heavy metal music were responsible for violent youth.

If Im going to blame anything other than the shooter it would be our crappy mental healthcare system.

I'm a D&D-playing headbanger, but this post is retarded. Unless you know of a whole bunch of people who were mass murdered by Player's Handbook-wielding madmen?

*book to the neck*

CRIT!


You obviously do not remember the 1980's or you were not born yet. D & D was blamed for deaths as well as Heavy Metal...or has everyone forgot Tipper Gore?
 
2012-12-18 09:40:31 AM

Tickle Mittens: I'm sorry how did this not turn into a Paige Wyatt thread?
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I damn well know no one is watching that show to see old fat guys yell at each other.


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2012-12-18 09:56:36 AM

doglover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: wildcardjack: orclover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.motherjones.com image 466x625]

/but don't call it a fetish

If I had a bushmaster, this ad would make me want to melt it down out of shame.

It's a toy. Something people dress up and buy all sorts of accessories for. Just because it can put a hole in something it's regarded as a dangerous object.

I can think of some other reasons.

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22 kids in Connecticut is a tragedy.

1000 people, many of them children, in Afganistan is a statisic.


Not a statistic, FREEDOM.
 
2012-12-18 11:05:19 AM

Thank You Black Jesus!: doglover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: wildcardjack: orclover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.motherjones.com image 466x625]

/but don't call it a fetish

If I had a bushmaster, this ad would make me want to melt it down out of shame.

It's a toy. Something people dress up and buy all sorts of accessories for. Just because it can put a hole in something it's regarded as a dangerous object.

I can think of some other reasons.

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22 kids in Connecticut is a tragedy.

1000 people, many of them children, in Afganistan is a statisic.

Not a statistic, FREEDOM.


Drones have killed 180 kids in Pakistan, 69 in one go.

For freedom.

/it's okay when Obama does it.
 
2012-12-18 11:20:11 AM

ferretman: Mike Chewbacca: Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day (the 80s) DnD and heavy metal music were responsible for violent youth.

If Im going to blame anything other than the shooter it would be our crappy mental healthcare system.

I'm a D&D-playing headbanger, but this post is retarded. Unless you know of a whole bunch of people who were mass murdered by Player's Handbook-wielding madmen?

*book to the neck*

CRIT!

You obviously do not remember the 1980's or you were not born yet. D & D was blamed for deaths as well as Heavy Metal...or has everyone forgot Tipper Gore?


Way to miss the point.

Fear of D&D is ridiculous, and D&D isn't a tool used to kill people. D&D is also mocked in the main stream.

Guns, on the other hand, ARE used to kill people, and our society worships both guns and violence.

Yes, D&D was included in the Satanic Panic of the 80s. However, it is not an apt comparison to calls for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting. Guns actually kill people, D&D does not.
 
2012-12-18 11:22:25 AM
How most Farkers identify guns:

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2012-12-18 11:25:02 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Yes, D&D was included in the Satanic Panic of the 80s. However, it is not an apt comparison to calls for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting. Guns People actually kill people, D&D does not.


FTFY

We should ban mentally ill people from entering schools! Problem solved! Thank God for Laws!
 
2012-12-18 12:07:20 PM
STANDARD capacity.
 
2012-12-18 12:13:24 PM

StoPPeRmobile: chapman: This is right up there with blaming video games. So stupid.

or

Cars?

/why don't we do that?


Exactly, more people die from car accidents then guns every year.
When are they going to ban the Honda Civic, with some specific tweaks you can modify it into one of those (gasp) ricer cars.
That and Fast and the Furious, that movie just promotes the whole ricer mentality, movies like that and Gone in 60 Seconds promote dangerous driving.
Porsches, Ferraris and Lambos need to be banned or severely rev limited, no need to go over the 65 speed limit. Matter of fact maybe they should be restricted to 55 as it would be that much safer right? It may disuade some of these nutjobs from buying one.
Same logic
 
2012-12-18 12:28:08 PM

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a solid eight
 
2012-12-18 02:59:03 PM

log_jammin: regardless, it is an assault rifle.


Here's a nifty little ditty called "Armalite Rifle"

Armalite rifle police and ira
Armalite rifle use it everyday
Breaks down easy fits into a pram
A child can carry it do it no harm
Armalite rifle and the holy trinity
It's used against you for irish jokes and the bbc
Armalite rifle please skew the aim
Armalite rifle use it everyday
The rifle does harm it shoots for miles
If a bullet gets you in the heart destroys your insides
Armalite rifle police duty eh?
Armalite rifle use it everyday
It'll do you damage it'll do you harm
Blow your legs off blow your guts out
I disapprove of it so does dave
It'll do you damage it'll do you damage
Damage damage damage damage damage


//from 1978, hence the IRA references
 
2012-12-18 05:53:52 PM

ChiliCon: Mike Chewbacca: Yes, D&D was included in the Satanic Panic of the 80s. However, it is not an apt comparison to calls for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting. Guns People actually kill people, D&D does not.

FTFY

We should ban mentally ill people from entering schools! Problem solved! Thank God for Laws!


People kill people, but guns make people a whole lot more efficient at it. Seriously, your argument is weak and without merit. We don't make laws only as a deterrent, but also to allow for punishment.
 
2012-12-18 07:07:11 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7490597/81364669#c81364669" target="_blank">Mike Chewbacca</a>:</b> <i>ferretman: Mike Chewbacca: Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day (the 80s) DnD and heavy metal music were responsible for violent youth.

If Im going to blame anything other than the shooter it would be our crappy mental healthcare system.

I'm a D&D-playing headbanger, but this post is retarded. Unless you know of a whole bunch of people who were mass murdered by Player's Handbook-wielding madmen?

*book to the neck*

CRIT!

You obviously do not remember the 1980's or you were not born yet. D & D was blamed for deaths as well as Heavy Metal...or has everyone forgot Tipper Gore?

Way to miss the point.

Fear of D&D is ridiculous, and D&D isn't a tool used to kill people. D&D is also mocked in the main stream.

Guns, on the other hand, ARE used to kill people, and our society worships both guns and violence.

Yes, D&D was included in the Satanic Panic of the 80s. However, it is not an apt comparison to calls for gun control in the wake of a mass shooting. Guns actually kill people, D&D does not.</i>

This thread is dead but m point was this, the article was about a TV show that got pulled because it was about guns and we just had a mass shooting. Comments by some of those interviewed in the article said Hollywood was partially to blame for gun violence. Back in the 80s metal and dnd were scapegoated. Movies no more killed anyone than those things did 30 years ago. The article is about blaming Hollywood for violence not gun control.
 
2012-12-18 07:12:24 PM

cragmor: kg2095: The Troof hurts: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: wildcardjack: orclover: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [www.motherjones.com image 466x625]

/but don't call it a fetish

If I had a bushmaster, this ad would make me want to melt it down out of shame.

It's a toy. Something people dress up and buy all sorts of accessories for. Just because it can put a hole in something it's regarded as a dangerous object.

I can think of some other reasons.

Alcohol kills more people than pistols and rifles in this country. Why the rage about rifles?

Because they are totally unnecessary accessories for people who feel inadequate.

A gun is a machine that is used to kill. Now why would anyone want such a machine unless they were aimin' to do themselves some killin'?

Self Defense? When was the last time any of you gun fetishists ever defended yourself or anyone else with your killing machine?

In case of foreign attack? Your gun is equally useless against ICBMs and 767s.

Guns are for psychos and knobs.

Um, I used my gun to protect myself. Did not have to fire it. Without my gun, I am sure I would have been beaten and robbed at the least. Maybe I would have been killed. I was away from home, so I would have been stranded. But yeah, protecting your own life is completely psychotic.


Well then you've won me over. I now realize we should just accept that every now and then a shiat load of people are going to be killed by a Rambo wannabe just so the occasional assault can be neutralized.
 
2012-12-18 07:13:57 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Olympic Trolling Judge: Hey, kg, nice work finding all those stats while I was off in the football thread. Thanks!

kg2095: The United States in 2009 had 3 gun deaths for every 100,000 people over the course of the year, completely eclipsing the next nearest country's rate of .96, coming from Israel, by a wide margin.

This is the one that intrigues me the most. We're over three times as shooty as the nation that's been in a low-level war for decades. I mean, what the hell? (Though they may have us beat in deaths by bomb and/or rocket.)

How many Rhode Islands is Israel?


Since these stats are deaths per 100,000 the population is not relevant.
 
2012-12-18 07:34:14 PM

steamingpile: kg2095: 3StratMan: kg2095: Kuroshin: kg2095: Self Defense? When was the last time any of you gun fetishists ever defended yourself or anyone else with your killing machine?

Five years ago. Wife was being stalked by the director of the movie in which she was starring. He was dangerous and the police wouldn't do anything about him until he actually turned violent. Things went in that direction...

Your move, dipshiat.

OK, lets see a link to the news story where you went all Dirty Harry and killed a bad man. Otherwise, I don't believe you.

Link

The linked story does not appear to have anything at all to do with you or your wife. I think you made that story up.

As for the article, it does give examples of incidents that would have been worse if armed bystanders didn't intervene. But that's precious little comfort to the loved ones of all those killed in temper tantrums that escalated to shootings - road rage for example. Or to those whose children were killed in a game of cops and robbers played with a real gun found under daddy's bed. And those victims far outnumber any saved by non-psychos carrying a weapon.

Among the world's 23 wealthiest countries, 80 percent of all gun deaths are American deaths and 87 percent of all kids killed by guns are American kids.

From here: Gun Deaths: A Familiar American Experience

That is a misleading article since they take the top 23 according to GDP per Capita.

Why is that a big deal, you ask? Well if you take it as just top economy by GDP without the per Capita which adds in a lot of the low population middle eastern countries and you exclude those with huge gun violence issues such as Brazil, which would drastically change the bullshiat they are trying to spout



There are numerous reasons for gun violence, mentally unstable people not getting help and large poor populations in the countries where the top half are rich.


In fact if you take it as just GDP you get only 7 that stay in the top 23 when you do it per Capita, a ...



That is a misleading article since they take the top 23 according to GDP per Capita.

Why is that a big deal, you ask? Well if you take it as just top economy by GDP without the per Capita which adds in a lot of the low population middle eastern countries and you exclude those with huge gun violence issues such as Brazil, which would drastically change the bullshiat they are trying to spout


The reason for comparing rich countries is to compare like with like. It makes no sense to compare the United States with middle eastern hell holes or Brazil for that matter. Those countries are not peers of the US - the wealthy countries are peers.

So, it would in fact be meaningless bullshiat if you were trying to compare the US gun death rate with that in the middle east or dodgy South American countries.



There are numerous reasons for gun violence, mentally unstable people not getting help and large poor populations in the countries where the top half are rich.

That is correct - inequality of income and opportunity is a driving force behind crime. Add to that the easy availability of guns which means that what may otherwise be non lethal violence like a fist fight will very often escalate to a deadly gun fight.

In the other wealthy nations the gap between rich and poor has been kept in check by a combination of effective social security, sensible taxation and business regulations. That removes one of the two legs gun violence stands on.

The other leg is the availability of firearms, which is effectively restricted in most other wealthy nations. An interesting exception is Switzerland that has a very low rate of gun crime despite a heavily armed populace. The reason for this is that the inequality of income that is so severe in the United States is very much less in Switzerland. Also the population is very well educated so that there are less macho morons who fancy themselves as Dirty Harry or Rambo.
 
2012-12-18 07:37:34 PM

steamingpile: kg2095: Note that the stats in that article are from the World Health Organization and the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime. I would think these are reputable sources to anyone but the most extreme.

Again, stating legal gun owners and then factoring all kills in a stat that include illegal gun deaths is not the least bit biased at all.........

The biggest issue america has is they spend billions to keep shiat illegal.


Gun deaths are gun deaths.

There is no getting around the fact that the United States rate of gun deaths is horrific compared to its peers. It's not just somewhat higher - it is astonishingly higher. And the one thing all the other nations have that the United States does not is strict gun control.
 
2012-12-19 11:21:17 AM

kg2095: steamingpile: kg2095: 3StratMan: kg2095: Kuroshin: In fact if you take it as just GDP you get only 7 that stay in the top 23 when you do it p ...



Your red and green post put me in the xmas spirit.
 
2012-12-19 11:39:25 AM

Mike Chewbacca: ...but also to allow for punishment


What part of murder is not punishable by the law? Your argument for MORE laws is even weaker. Do you really think that laws stop people from committing crimes?
 
2012-12-19 01:10:09 PM
What if I could show you that by actual numbers that have been agreed upon, and factual statistics that with guns about 370,000 people were affected by violent crimes, but that without guns, a minimum of over 1,000,000 people would have been affected. Most likely, well over 2,000,000 would have been affected.
 
2012-12-19 09:20:49 PM

stupiddream: kg2095: steamingpile: kg2095: 3StratMan: kg2095: Kuroshin: In fact if you take it as just GDP you get only 7 that stay in the top 23 when you do it p ...


Your red and green post put me in the xmas spirit.


You are more than welcome dear - oh and thanks for last night. You were fabulous!
 
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