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2012-12-17 02:12:28 PM
So "your mom" comments are still fair game? Awesome!
 
2012-12-17 02:13:32 PM
Doh, wrong thread
 
2012-12-17 02:24:28 PM
Jim Gaffigan also produced a digital download show, Mr. Universe. I highly recommend it, I was in tears a few times laughing so hard
 
2012-12-17 04:55:36 PM
I no longer do music, and the highest level of fame I got was an article in some mid-teir magazine with a full-color photo of me.  But from the beginning, I always gave my CD's away.  And when mp3's came out, I always gave those away to anyone that wanted them.  Had a full FTP server (actually still do), and personally put them on Napster and the like.
 
I figured the one thing I wanted is my music in more peoples hands.  No matter what.
 
This was my attitude before the whole piracy thing got big.
 
2012-12-17 04:58:46 PM
Shahrzad Rafati is drop dead gorgeous. I hate it when beautiful women are smarter than me.
 
2012-12-17 05:20:35 PM
No Radiohead?
 
2012-12-17 05:23:11 PM
Good for them.

/new Pathfinder comedian bard is named Elvie CK
 
2012-12-17 05:27:50 PM
I can proudly say I haven't seen the Psy video or heard the song. You may touch me.
 
2012-12-17 05:42:55 PM

Mugato: I can proudly say I haven't seen the Psy video or heard the song. You may touch me.


You're missing out. The video is phenomenal and the song is one of the greatest earworms ever written.
 
2012-12-17 06:07:46 PM
This means copyright is automatically abolished and Obama has to dance Gangnam Style in a Gotye parody video
 
2012-12-17 06:19:50 PM
meh, Louis CK made being funny work in his favor, and Psy made winning the ridiculous pop culture joke of the week lottery work in his favor. Psy would have turned as popular as 15 minutes worth of Metallica songs whether he allowed people to pirate his music or not.
 
2012-12-17 06:44:29 PM

serial_crusher: Louis CK made being funny work in his favor


Yeah. He didn't "make piracy work" for him as much as he decided the risk of it wasn't worth pissing off his fans with DRM bullshiat.


Doctorow, who just published a book with sci-fi great Charles Stross

SQUEE! Off to the library!
 
2012-12-17 07:35:59 PM

Mugato: I can proudly say I haven't seen the Psy video or heard the song. You may touch me.


You're in good company, friend.
 
2012-12-17 08:02:54 PM
Why do these lists never include Adobe? The rampant piracy of Photoshop in the late 90s was the best thing that ever happened to them.
 
2012-12-17 08:07:19 PM

SpaceButler: Why do these lists never include Adobe? The rampant piracy of Photoshop in the late 90s was the best thing that ever happened to them.


because Adobe doesn't support or endorse piracy of it's products unlike the ones in the article?

/what do i win?
 
2012-12-17 08:20:11 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: SpaceButler: Why do these lists never include Adobe? The rampant piracy of Photoshop in the late 90s was the best thing that ever happened to them.

because Adobe doesn't support or endorse piracy of it's products unlike the ones in the article?

/what do i win?


I don't think Louis C.K. does either, he just doesn't load his stuff down with DRM in a useless attempt to fight it. And the article title is "people who made a killing off piracy", not "people who embraced piracy". Adobe might have fought it kicking and screaming, but piracy still had a huge role in their success since so many of the graphic designers of the 2000s got started with a pirated copy of Photoshop in high school and thus already had expertise with it when they went pro.
 
2012-12-17 08:33:31 PM
Bill Gates?

Microsoft made no effort to crack down on piracy for a long time; it was well understood that their initial policy was that they would rather you pirate their product than use their competitor's. In the long run, they earned far more from the gain in market share than they lost in sales.

Piracy generally tends to benefit those who have a good product but low market share / exposure. For example, much anime in the US is released technically pirated first (fansubs of TV shows). This gives the product exposure in a market that otherwise it would not have, and is a huge boost on their sales when they do bring commercial versions later on. Even for US-owned media, it generates word of mouth that is effective advertisement.

Where piracy hurts most are established brands and subpar products - established brands don't need exposure, and subpar products generate entirely the wrong kind of word of mouth.
 
2012-12-17 08:37:54 PM
It's not really "piracy" if they allow people to download stuff from their own site and ask for people to pay what they want or put ads on youtube or even just allow people to freely trade their music.

But for the loose definition of piracy used in TFA why didn't they mention the Grateful Dead? They went so far as to set aside whole sections of the seating at their shows just so people could set up microphones.
 
2012-12-17 08:38:47 PM
What about Metallica? Their biatching about Napster put Lars Ulrich's whiny puss on the news for like a year. Lots of free pub.
 
2012-12-17 08:41:39 PM
'...Has anyone seen the price come down? Okay, well, you know what that means: STEAL IT. Steal away. Steal and steal and steal some more and give it to all your friends and keep on stealing. Because one way or another these motherf*ckers will get it through their head that they're ripping people off and that's not right.'"

I have two free albums from him and turned around to pay for them before returning to buy albums I never bought previously, cause he makes great music and doesn't give me hassle. Also, he wants you to mix his material online and share.

You can lose control of your brand positively or negatively. Positively means you give the means for others to take control, and negatively means you try and combat the millions of folks out there while punishing customers.
 
2012-12-17 08:42:04 PM
I paid the 5 dollars for the Louis CK special, and it was worth every penny. If he had made it inconvenient and loaded it with DRM, I may have been tempted to pirate it.

I happily paid for the first two Mass Effect games. I was hoping to buy the 3rd Mass Effect game, but there was no way around their Origin requirement, so guess what happened?
 
2012-12-17 08:50:04 PM
No Jonathan Coulton?
 
2012-12-17 09:10:00 PM
I paid the $5 for Louis CK's thing.

\just sayin'
 
2012-12-17 09:12:24 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-17 09:27:05 PM
My experience with The Sims franchise is similar. I pirated throughout the first and second versions because I couldn't afford it at the time but when I could I'd buy individual expansion packs etc when they were new because I wanted to support the game. When TS3 came out I got a legal copy, but by then EA had gone a little crazy with the DRM and the game constantly broke, telling me it wasn't a legit copy when it was. So I went back to pirating since it was too much of a hassle not to.
 
2012-12-17 09:31:16 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-17 09:37:17 PM
Humble Bundle.

That is all.
 
2012-12-17 09:57:55 PM
I generally don't mind when people use "off of" when they talk or email. But in a headline? C'mon man.
 
2012-12-17 10:49:25 PM
Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?
 
2012-12-17 11:11:06 PM

Mugato: What about Metallica? Their biatching about Napster put Lars Ulrich's whiny puss on the news for like a year. Lots of free pub.


Anything they were to do had been done by then.

fark'em All.
 
2012-12-17 11:12:21 PM

LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?


Only thing I'm having "success" with is "Remove It Permanently." Not liking it.
 
2012-12-17 11:36:11 PM

LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?


It's probably best not to discuss how to defeat a site's nagware *on* the site whose nagware you're trying to circumvent; that seems likely to provoke either bans, or an arms race of people developing methods to stop the nag bar with people developing methods to counter the methods to stop the nag bar.

The absolute simplest is to kill Javascript, but the site has pretty ugly <noscript> layout so you will just trade one irritating layout for another.
 
2012-12-17 11:37:42 PM
fusillade762

Doctorow, who just published a book with sci-fi great Charles Stross

SQUEE! Off to the library!


The Rapture of the Nerds by Doctorow, Cory; Stross, Charles

Welcome to the fractured future, at the dusk of the twenty-first century. Earth has a population of roughly a billion hominids. For the most part, they are happy with their lot, living in a preserve at the bottom of a gravity well. Those who are unhappy have emigrated, joining one or another of the swarming densethinker clades that fog the inner solar system with a dust of molecular machinery so thick that it obscures the sun. The splintery metaconsciousness of the solar-system has largely sworn off its pre-post-human cousins dirtside, but its minds sometimes wander... and when that happens, it casually spams Earth's networks with plans for cataclysmically disruptive technologies that emulsify whole industries, cultures, and spiritual systems. A sane species would ignore these get-evolved-quick schemes, but there's always someone who'll take a bite from the forbidden apple. So until the overminds bore of stirring Earth's anthill, there's Tech Jury Service: random humans, selected arbitrarily, charged with assessing dozens of new inventions and ruling on whether to let them loose. Young Huw, a technophobic, misanthropic Welshman, has been selected for the latest jury, a task he does his best to perform despite an itchy technovirus, the apathy of the proletariat, and a couple of truly awful moments on bathroom floors.
 
2012-12-18 12:18:11 AM

Happy Hours: [upload.wikimedia.org image 150x250]


Did Hoffman ever make money on that book? I'm sure he benefited in terms of publicity, but the guy never got particularly wealthy as far as I know. (Then again, if he had money he probably would have given it all away.)

/proud owner of a legal copy
 
2012-12-18 03:04:32 AM

NowhereMon: So "your mom" comments are still fair game? Awesome!


images.wikia.com
 
2012-12-18 03:17:56 AM
Wish I could do the same and still be profitable. Without getting into the specifics of my work, I've priced some of my creative work very low, and some very high, of the same quality/caliber simply to test the market viability of this approach (cheap enough to make you guilt into buying instead of pirating). I made a lot more money off the higher priced items overall, and had more sales. I think there's a perceived quality to a higher priced item that can make it more attractive in some markets.

My line of work is also plagued by piracy. I honestly have no clue how much money I lose to it though, and I make little to no effort to find out. I'm not going to be involved in bankrupting some poor asshole over my work. And beyond joining those types groups to go to town for me (and I'd see pretty much nothing from that, but it has scare value) which I simply *won't* do...there's nothing I can really do. So I try not to pay attention to it, and go with the assumption that even if my work is being stolen liberally, many of those wouldn't be buying if they couldn't pirate anyway.

So mostly I just don't think too much about it.
 
2012-12-18 04:29:16 AM
TFA: Rafati started Broadband TV in 2005 with the aim of monetizing and legitimizing pirated video. The Canadian company searches video sharing services, looking for copyrighted material. Instead of removing it, Broadband TV re-brands the content, includes relevant ads, and reposts


Totally useless without any information on what they mean by "re-brand." The article linked within the article isn't any help, either.
 
2012-12-18 06:36:38 AM
The Broadband TV thing is everything that is wrong with YouTube. Oh, it's a popular video (or even one that no one else has ever seen before)? Upload it yourself and get your own slice of the views/ad revenue. It's even more insidious because this is apparently sanctioned by the actual corporations that own the copyright, loaded with even more ads that people want to get away from in the first place.

Or am I misunderstanding the word 'repost' and this doesn't involve uploading yet another copy of the completely unmodified original?
 
2012-12-18 07:29:21 AM

StoPPeRmobile: LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?

Only thing I'm having "success" with is "Remove It Permanently." Not liking it.


I disabled ABP on Fark. The ads are not annoying. If they become annoying, it will be turned back on. 

/nuff said
 
2012-12-18 07:34:05 AM

MarkEC: I disabled ABP on Fark. The ads are not annoying. If they become annoying, it will be turned back on. 

/nuff said


Even the animated ones? I can't read with the flash ads in my peripheral. Sorry Fark. It's nothing I would have bought anyway.
 
2012-12-18 08:24:23 AM
Man, Cory Doctorow always looks like a smarmy smug biatch. Look at this face! Jesus, it just screams "PUNCH ME REALLY REALLY HARD!"

www.geek.com
 
2012-12-18 08:32:16 AM
I just right clicked on the little annoying bar thingy on top and 'blocked element' or somesuch. It was so easy I can't remember. That said I do click on Fark's ads every so often to assuage my guilt, but it's when I want to.
 
2012-12-18 09:46:06 AM
Apparently Joe Rogan is selling his new comedy special directly from his website, as well.
 
2012-12-18 09:52:32 AM

Raging Whore Moans: This means copyright is automatically abolished and Obama has to dance Gangnam Style in a Gotye parody video


Your wish has been granted.

Link
 
2012-12-18 10:16:06 AM

Gig103: Jim Gaffigan also produced a digital download show, Mr. Universe. I highly recommend it, I was in tears a few times laughing so hard


Thanks I just now bought that. I love his stuff.
 
2012-12-18 10:20:19 AM

ITGreen: Shahrzad Rafati is drop dead gorgeous. I hate it when beautiful women are smarter than me.


I just like meeting people smarter than me, it restores my faith in humanity. If they are a beautiful woman all the better.
 
2012-12-18 10:21:39 AM

Mugato: What about Metallica? Their biatching about Napster put Lars Ulrich's whiny puss on the news for like a year. Lots of free pub.


Well it made me never buy any of their records after they did that. If they are whiny pussies then they don`t get my `hard metal mofo` money....

/I don`t have money for whiny pussy music
 
2012-12-18 10:58:19 AM
C'mon, you never bought any Metallica albums anyway. Moochers can't handle the truth. See, election results.

And, Lars was right about Napster. Seems funny now, all that commotion over crap 128k mp3 files.

Anyway, the Napster thing happened right when Metallica changed their sound and look. Which, is really what had pissed their fans off. The people that complained the most were not even Metallica fans. They were just fans of free stuff, and who isn't?
 
2012-12-18 11:38:34 AM
I bought that Louis CK special. Still have it, and still watch it occasionally. Well worth the money..
 
2012-12-18 11:46:34 AM
I bought the Louis CK special, Jim Gaffigan's, and today Joe Rogan's. I like buying stand up this way. I feel like it's just buying a ticket to their show, and for them it's like potentially doing a show for millions of audience members. I think it works really well for comedy.

I would also probably buy a lot more movies if I could download a good 720p file for $5. Just the main movie. Save the extras for the DVD/Bluray. Doubt it'll be available that way soon though.
 
2012-12-18 11:50:10 AM

StoPPeRmobile: LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?

Only thing I'm having "success" with is "Remove It Permanently." Not liking it.


Add this as a custom filter in AdBlockPlus:

fark.com ###abPleaBar

Drew, I'll whitelist you when you eschew third-party ads altogether and post a written ad policy detailing what ads you accept (and that written policy specifically states no active content, no autoplaying videos, no imitation of system alerts, etc.) Not one second before. I don't give a damn about your reporting mechanism; I want your team to be personally responsible.
 
2012-12-18 05:57:10 PM

HeartBurnKid: StoPPeRmobile: LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?

Only thing I'm having "success" with is "Remove It Permanently." Not liking it.

Add this as a custom filter in AdBlockPlus:

fark.com ###abPleaBar

Drew, I'll whitelist you when you eschew third-party ads altogether and post a written ad policy detailing what ads you accept (and that written policy specifically states no active content, no autoplaying videos, no imitation of system alerts, etc.) Not one second before. I don't give a damn about your reporting mechanism; I want your team to be personally responsible.


You win the internet today.
 
2012-12-18 06:25:27 PM

dehehn: HeartBurnKid: StoPPeRmobile: LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?

Only thing I'm having "success" with is "Remove It Permanently." Not liking it.

Add this as a custom filter in AdBlockPlus:

fark.com ###abPleaBar

Drew, I'll whitelist you when you eschew third-party ads altogether and post a written ad policy detailing what ads you accept (and that written policy specifically states no active content, no autoplaying videos, no imitation of system alerts, etc.) Not one second before. I don't give a damn about your reporting mechanism; I want your team to be personally responsible.

You win the internet today.


I can't take credit for it; that code was made by SmiLA-LI-LU-LE-LO
 
2012-12-18 11:03:04 PM

Sum Dum Gai: LemSkroob: Speaking of keeping money out of corporate hands, anyway to kill the 'whitelist' request on fark?

It's probably best not to discuss how to defeat a site's nagware *on* the site whose nagware you're trying to circumvent; that seems likely to provoke either bans, or an arms race of people developing methods to stop the nag bar with people developing methods to counter the methods to stop the nag bar.

The absolute simplest is to kill Javascript, but the site has pretty ugly <noscript> layout so you will just trade one irritating layout for another.


I thought Drew made all the money he needs from those God-Awful right wing blogs that he parades as "not news".
 
2012-12-19 08:16:21 AM

HeartBurnKid: Drew, I'll whitelist you when you eschew third-party ads altogether and post a written ad policy detailing what ads you accept (and that written policy specifically states no active content, no autoplaying videos, no imitation of system alerts, etc.) Not one second before. I don't give a damn about your reporting mechanism; I want your team to be personally responsible.



Yeah, I've been pretty supportive of fark's ad model up until recently when I started getting popups for "scorecardresearch" and when I farked back about them, a modmin replied that they didn't consider those bad ads since they provide important demographic data.  A popup is a popup, guys.
 
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