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2012-12-17 02:15:09 PM
Hey farkers. We're called Assoline, and we're a 7 piece folk/funk group with a bit of a bluegrass feel. We hail from SoCal, and we're just getting on our feet. This little ditty is called "Fish On", and I was hoping some of you kind folks would give it a listen and maybe provide some feedback.

Flame on!
 
2012-12-17 03:40:44 PM
Your lead guitarist is good, your horn players and drums are passable. I can't even tell if you have a bass - you should either turn their levels way up or hire one. Also, fire your lead singer and get a female, it would compliment your band better. Don't let your band sing back up either, you sound like a shiatty sketch on the muppets when they come on
 
2012-12-17 04:49:17 PM
I like it.
 
I can see why one would say "don't let your bandmates sing backup, they would like muppets"... but I dunno, it works for me.
 
Beyond brass bands... this type of music is big down here (New Orleans).  I don't know anything about sub-generes, I call it "courtyard music".  You all would do well down here
 
Criticism: don't use soundcloud!  I hate that you can't fast forward.  I'm not patient, would have liked to sample parts of the song.
 
2012-12-17 04:52:08 PM

downstairs: I like it.
 
I can see why one would say "don't let your bandmates sing backup, they would like muppets"... but I dunno, it works for me.
 
Beyond brass bands... this type of music is big down here (New Orleans).  I don't know anything about sub-generes, I call it "courtyard music".  You all would do well down here
 
Criticism: don't use soundcloud!  I hate that you can't fast forward.  I'm not patient, would have liked to sample parts of the song.


FatSteveWasted - If you guys play in New Orleans, I'm soooo there.
 
2012-12-17 04:58:51 PM
Your name is really misleading - I wasn't expecting to hear what I did.
It's really not my thing at all, that kind of music -- it's too hippie/weird for me. But at the same time, I can see a lot of people liking it and getting into it. You just have to target the right audience.

As someone else said, Soundcloud kind of stinks - Bandcamp has more options. My band is collecting our mixed/mastered CD tomorrow night and the online version is going into Bandcamp.

Good luck with your music, I think you actually do have something there, which is about as objective as I ever get with music. (In fairness, you're talking to a chick who listens mostly to metal, hard rock, and punk stuff.)
 
2012-12-17 05:14:41 PM

downstairs: Criticism: don't use soundcloud! I hate that you can't fast forward. I'm not patient, would have liked to sample parts of the song.


Just click on the part of the song you want to skip to.

FatSteveWasted: Hey farkers. We're called Assoline, and we're a 7 piece folk/funk group with a bit of a bluegrass feel. We hail from SoCal, and we're just getting on our feet. This little ditty is called "Fish On", and I was hoping some of you kind folks would give it a listen and maybe provide some feedback.


The guitar playing pretty much the exact same riff for the majority of the song is pretty obnoxious, particularly with the vocals basically following the guitar around.

The song could use either more energy or less - it's like it's trying to be an uproaring drinking song but has too low a tempo and too monotonous a pace to pull it off. Not that your sound is the same, but something like Murder by Death's Sometimes You Walk The Line is an example of the kind of tempo/variety I'm talking about.
 
2012-12-17 05:15:34 PM

serpent_sky: Your name is really misleading - I wasn't expecting to hear what I did.



Yeah, I really don't like the name.  And I think its going to be a hinderance in booking... since the music you play would fly at some settings where the audience would be turned off by that.
 
If you told me your band name without me hearing you, I'd think its some terrible crap aimed at fratboys.  Or noise music.
 
2012-12-17 05:32:19 PM

FatSteveWasted: Hey farkers. We're called Assoline, and we're a 7 piece folk/funk group with a bit of a bluegrass feel. We hail from SoCal, and we're just getting on our feet. This little ditty is called "Fish On", and I was hoping some of you kind folks would give it a listen and maybe provide some feedback.

Flame on!


Good jam! Like the vocals. Some comments, if I may:

1) there's literally zero dynamic changes throughout the song. This is obvious just by *looking* at the Soundcloud waveform. Same height, no breaks or changes all the way across the entire track.

2) Intro is a little generic. 4x times guitar chords, 4x times with the band... *yawn*... good bands don't do that. ;) Try something punchier, e.g. add some snare/percussion to the guitar intro to make it jazzier, then have the vocals start right away when the rest of the band comes in.

3) You play the entire chord pattern twice for the verse, then repeat the refrain "hook on a string" at 0:54 before going into the chorus. For a moment I thought you were going to play the chord pattern a third time, which kinda starts to drag a bit. So, again with the dynamics here, for the "hook on a string" refrain at 0:54, do something different with the instruments, like stop them altogether except bass and drum, or play something punchier, like everyone stabs on beats 1 ... 3 4, 1 ... 3 4 *boom* into the chorus. 

Just some ideas, nice job with your band ;)
 
2012-12-17 05:33:56 PM
For the record, the band consists of guitar, mandolin, bass, cajon, trumpet and vocals. Other songs also feature keys and djembe. The songs can also be heard at http://www.reverbnation.com/assoline.

Thanks so far for the criticism and compliments.
 
2012-12-17 05:34:45 PM

downstairs: Yeah, I really don't like the name. And I think its going to be a hinderance in booking... since the music you play would fly at some settings where the audience would be turned off by that.

If you told me your band name without me hearing you, I'd think its some terrible crap aimed at fratboys. Or noise music.


Yeah, I was thinking noise at first, too... though I see your point about crap aimed at fratboys. And even without the "well, that wasn't what I was expecting" part of it, the name was kind of a turn off right at the get go. The name sort of lowers talent expectations, which I guess is a good thing, aside from all the people who would immediately say "no thanks" to a band called Assoline.

I could be wrong, though... there are a lot of successful bands out there that I wouldn't give a chance to because their name/album title/image was really unappealing to me, and they did pretty damned well without my support.
 
2012-12-17 05:52:22 PM

serpent_sky: though I see your point about crap aimed at fratboys



I looked them up online,  and apparently according to urban dictionary, it "means":
 
"drinking some type of liquid to refuel the body after getting some ass."
 
Which sounds like fratboy speak to me.
 
2012-12-17 05:57:28 PM

SnakeLee: Don't let your band sing back up either, you sound like a shiatty sketch on the muppets when they come on


I was reading comments as the song was playing, before the band chimed in, I thought, "damn, that's a pretty cruel comment"... but after hearing the band chime in, I've never read a more apt comment in my life.
 
jgi
2012-12-17 06:17:33 PM
It does sound like a muppet chorus! But it reminds me of Man Man. I bet you guys like Man Man. If you haven't heard Man Man, get a record of theirs now. Like Captain Beefheart and Tom Waits got together at a carnival that takes place on a pirate ship.

The singer always seems late in the verses, and it doesn't seem as though it's on purpose. It seems like a confidence issue.

Also don't like the name.

Good luck!
 
2012-12-17 06:20:17 PM
I like your sound...although the vocals sort of went south for my taste. But your name...it's like you let your worst enemy name you.... Sorry.
 
2012-12-17 06:30:53 PM
Sounds really good.

Good job!
 
2012-12-17 06:41:16 PM
Stupid name, decent tune, bad vocals. The lead singer is decent. I'd listen to more songs if they were similar type or blues-ey types. Really don't like the chorus.

Change the name, get rid of the backup singers, make more folksy or blues music. I'd listen.

SnakeLee: Don't let your band sing back up either, you sound like a shiatty sketch on the muppets when they come on


This is exactly right.
 
2012-12-17 06:41:58 PM
Also, this is very brave to post stuff to Fark looking for feedback. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
 
2012-12-17 06:43:25 PM
Here's another track:

https://soundcloud.com/assoline/harvest-moon
 
2012-12-17 06:52:58 PM

bulldg4life: Also, this is very brave to post stuff to Fark looking for feedback. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.


I can take criticism from anonymous internet folks. In RL, no one wants to give honest criticism, so sometimes it helps to get put on blast in a forum like this. I appreciate y'all taking time out of your day to listen to our music.
 
2012-12-17 06:55:32 PM

bulldg4life: Also, this is very brave to post stuff to Fark looking for feedback. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.


That is ballsy.Good luck.

//Moar cow bell....
 
2012-12-17 06:57:20 PM
I like the second one. But, the chorus still doesn't seem to fit the songs.
 
2012-12-17 06:59:28 PM
I'd like to get some feedback

Sample some Hendrix.
 
2012-12-17 07:50:15 PM
Don't let Les Claypool know you used a name he already used in a fishing song. :-)

I liked yours (lyrics are a riot - and so damned true). Then I had to segue to the Primus song of the same name.

Primus Version.
 
2012-12-17 08:06:15 PM
I agree with a lot of the comments here (terrible name, embarassing backup singing, song structure is repetitive).

I didn't see anybody mention that the lead singer's vocal style doesn't really favor his attempt to "growl" the lyrics in the chorus. He doesn't have the grit in his natural voice, so when he transitions from a cleaner sound to a growl that doesn't have much heft behind it, it just sounds silly. Just have him sing it straight up and see what happens.

Also, I'd give the mandolin something to do when it comes in after the first four bars instead of just mimicing the guitar rhythm. Let him pick out a little solo for those four bars.

As for "Harvest Moon," it shows that your lead singer just isn't that strong with his voice; the background singing (which is better on this track) overshadows him. He needs to find something interesting to do with the verses too.

You clearly have no idea what to do at the end of the choruses -- there are 8 bars with absolutely nothing happening each time, and this is when the listener is paying the most attention and ready for some kind of transition -- give someone a solo for pete's sake!
 
2012-12-17 08:25:16 PM
DeltaPunch made some very apt comments, I'd like to add a couple things:

Nearly every vocal entrance is late, and not in an intentionally-laid-back-phrasing kind of way. It almost sounds like there was 20-30ms latency in the monitors as you were recording and nobody went back and time-aligned the vocal.

Also, I'd say your singer needs to find his pitch before he starts the note. There was some cringe-worthy sliding up into the pitch. And every "she's gone" is sharp as hell. Also needs to be remastered with some compression to sit on top a little more.

Solos were blah pentatonic noodling. Both were like listening to a long run-on sentence: no space, very little phrasing, and no build - just went nowhere. The second solo could be cut altogether, or maybe combine the two: mandolin during the A section, trumpet during the bridge and final A. And only one time on the ride - repeating should just not happen until the soloists start to phrase and the band starts to support them.

You wanted criticism (from Fark, no less) and that's honorable, so use it to keep honing your craft. The fact that you're putting your music out there is fantastic and I say all these things with the utmost respect for your musicianship as it is.

BTW, my son was listening from his room next to my studio and he said he wants it on his playlist. Had to tell him no (because the language), but he's got decent taste in music for a 7-year-old, so... :)

downstairs:  
Criticism: don't use soundcloud!  I hate that you can't fast forward.  I'm not patient, would have liked to sample parts of the song.


Click elsewhere on the track and it will jump there.
 
2012-12-17 08:39:05 PM
Not bad, I think the vocals could have been mixed a lot better, but for what I was expecting I'm still impressed. I actually really liked the added vocals for emphasis. I think the brass could really have been better. I don't think it's the player, it's the recording of it. Really makes me cringe a bit, like a high pitched noise you want to avoid.

Catchy song, keep it up!
 
2012-12-17 08:41:50 PM
You know those guys who stand on street corners that can sort of sing and play but not really? Get yourself a guitar case for people to throw quarters into.
 
2012-12-17 09:58:31 PM
Hmmm...change the name, don't let anyone else sing but your lead, learn more music theory so you can write more interesting songs musically...looks like everything has been covered already except some general advice.

1. I agree that you'd do well in the SE of the country. Regional appeal is great, and you can make a good living off of it. But without radical changes you won't ever be sucessful outside that region.

2. Eight people is far too many for a band just starting out. You'll never get enough gigs that pay enough for it to be worthwhile for that many people until/unless you are well known and established in an area. Five max, and even then you are pushing it. I understand that your instrumentation is eclectic and I like that a lot. But you don't need everybody on every song. Go with a core group and let the ones who provide the "now and then" instrumentation "sit in" (i.e. unpaid, or play for beer) when they are around and available.

3. You definitely have a lot of potential, that is undeniable. So you should be encouraged by all these comments...you are heading in the right general direction. Good luck!
 
2012-12-17 10:27:08 PM
i made the mistake of first listening to Harvest Moon. so i went and read your post in the thread then learned you wanted us to listen to Fish --- so i did that.

this time i was tortured by a boy and his instrument for almost 1:15 before the peanut gallery provided some comic relief. thankfully more instruments jam on around 1:30 so there's that.

i'm sorry, when i think of Funk i think of bootsy collins, parliament, the mothership, funkenstein, big brass sound that is wall to wall funkalicious dynamite. i appreciate fusion. i'm just not hearing what you are saying you do; it ain't funky, it don't have the funk.

Harvest Moon is something i'll never forgive you for. there is just so much more to life than a boy singing with a guitar. i'm sorry to be rude and mean, i apologize.

Your band name is fine if you don't want to be taken seriously by bar owners and club managers; some will not put a name like that on a poster etcetera. (i've watched my older brother, a professional musician, and i've seen a lot over 40 years of watching him).

You're bringing the same old same old to the table. People need fresh, new and exciting. Get yourself a fat stack of Frank Zappa / Mothers albums and listen to them until your ears bleed. Watch his interviews on YouTube and read books by him and about him. Put your face in Frank for a year and try to learn as much as you can from him. Your musicianship, creativity, originality and imaginations will take you to all-new sonic heights you've never explored before. If you are wise you will emerge as beautiful butterflies and fly, fly all over the stage. And they will love you my friend. People are dying for new sounds and excitement. You lads are too young and have far too much talent and potential to play shiat like 'Harvest Moon' that is dead from the neck up with worn out phrases and references that are simply beat to death. It's all been done before.

Let Frank inspire you. Listen to the Dead and feel the beauty of carefully crafted lyric, rhyme, prose and harmony. Pick up some weird-ass instruments and noisemaker toys, drop some really good acid and let it take you where you need to go. You've got it in you. Let it come out. And don't worry if it means changes along the way. Musicians are flakes with eternal problems, do what you have to do to get where you should be going. If you want to. I don't care. it's all up to you, and it all depends on how serious you are on making your mark and honing your craft.

Best of luck to you. Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year.
 
2012-12-17 10:31:53 PM
It's okay, but like everyone else has said it needs to be punched up and lose the Muppets vibe.

Also, Assoline? Really?
 
2012-12-17 11:46:23 PM

KrispyKritter: You're bringing the same old same old to the table. People need fresh, new and exciting. Get yourself a fat stack of Frank Zappa / Mothers albums and listen to them until your ears bleed.


Yes, you see the problem is you're just doing what people have done before, so instead you should do what Frank Zappa did.
 
2012-12-18 12:04:55 AM
Maybe if you flipped it on 45, so I could dance to it...
 
2012-12-18 06:58:24 AM

sprawl15: KrispyKritter: You're bringing the same old same old to the table. People need fresh, new and exciting. Get yourself a fat stack of Frank Zappa / Mothers albums and listen to them until your ears bleed.

Yes, you see the problem is you're just doing what people have done before, so instead you should do what Frank Zappa did.


Yeah, and don't forget the LSD. That always works.

/I'm hoping that was just a bad attempt at a troll.
 
2012-12-18 07:41:34 AM

I enjoyed the song - you certainly need to change the levels of your instruments, though.  The vocals were way too flat and I couldn't hear any bass at all.



 



And as it has been said - you gotta change the band name.  

 
2012-12-18 08:22:11 AM
As someone who lives in the heart of blue grass/country region, I gotta tell you that there are a million bands in my city that sound just like you that play in bars every night. But who knows, on the west coast it might different from what people are used to hearing so it will be novel enough to work. Best of luck to you.

/Assholine would only be a good name if you play underground outlaw country or Southern Rock inspired metal
 
2012-12-19 12:13:17 AM
Been hangin' out with the Growlers?
 
2012-12-19 04:51:31 AM
Well, I'm not involved in Music Theory, nor am I interested in the post-mortem punishment of Equines. Everybody else here gave you good feedback. Me, I liked the song. Yes it needs some polish, but I liked the Muppet vibe on the chorus, so what do I know? At least you guys weren't trying to ape Primus.
 
2012-12-20 11:38:45 AM

FatSteveWasted: Hey farkers. We're called Assoline, and we're a 7 piece folk/funk group with a bit of a bluegrass feel. We hail from SoCal, and we're just getting on our feet. This little ditty is called "Fish On", and I was hoping some of you kind folks would give it a listen and maybe provide some feedback.

Flame on!


Very good, kiddo. Keep it up.
 
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