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(Charleston Gazette)   Ever wonder how MTV gets permission to film their "reality" shows in various locations? Apparently, they lie   (wvgazette.com) divider line 63
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2012-12-17 02:23:30 PM  
Pretty standard in reality TV and news TV. Create a nice sounding front production company, lie about what you're going to film, and you're done. Its also how Borat was filmed. The courts have ruled its perfectly legal.
 
2012-12-17 02:26:56 PM  
Maybe the guy is just out of touch, but if MTV wants to film in my place... I'm absolutely going to look up what the show is about.
 
2012-12-17 02:29:01 PM  
Isn't this basically the same way Sacha Baron Cohen makes all his movies?
 
2012-12-17 03:09:07 PM  
Good man , glad someone put a stop to that sort of crap.
 
2012-12-17 03:13:17 PM  
Pre-empting the inevitable post (nsfw language)
 
2012-12-17 03:15:12 PM  
Well they already ruined their show by saying that when they were fighting it was "acting". This really is a race to the bottom and I thought that MTV couldnt lower the bar after Jersey Shore.
 
2012-12-17 03:19:16 PM  
Good for him.

No, really.

/everything I write on Fark anymore sounds either sarcastic or snarky
 
2012-12-17 03:25:23 PM  

downstairs: Maybe the guy is just out of touch, but if MTV wants to film in my place... I'm absolutely going to look up what the show is about.


You might not even know it is MTV though. For all you know it could be some random production company name on some official legal documents and they tell you they are filming a reality series that they are "trying" to get their show on discovery or make a documentary to take to Sundance or something and then after it is shot they decide to edit it and put it on MTV. But I think typically once you sign away permission there is some sort of legal wording that lets them use what they film for whatever they want, So really the moral of the story is don't sign anything that lets other people use you, your name, or your place of business on camera.
 
2012-12-17 03:33:43 PM  

ShawnDoc: Pretty standard in reality TV and news TV. Create a nice sounding front production company, lie about what you're going to film, and you're done. Its also how Borat was filmed. The courts have ruled its perfectly legal.


Of course, since this bar owner was lied to, it's also perfectly legal for him to pull out.
 
2012-12-17 03:34:27 PM  

mechgreg: downstairs: Maybe the guy is just out of touch, but if MTV wants to film in my place... I'm absolutely going to look up what the show is about.

You might not even know it is MTV though. For all you know it could be some random production company name on some official legal documents and they tell you they are filming a reality series that they are "trying" to get their show on discovery or make a documentary to take to Sundance or something and then after it is shot they decide to edit it and put it on MTV. But I think typically once you sign away permission there is some sort of legal wording that lets them use what they film for whatever they want, So really the moral of the story is don't sign anything that lets other people use you, your name, or your place of business on camera.


Ahhh, good point.  That's how Sacha Baron Cohen was able to get away with his stuff for so long.  It was all done under some innocuously named company like "American Documentary Films, Inc" or whatever.
 
2012-12-17 03:35:32 PM  

mechgreg: downstairs: Maybe the guy is just out of touch, but if MTV wants to film in my place... I'm absolutely going to look up what the show is about.

You might not even know it is MTV though. For all you know it could be some random production company name on some official legal documents and they tell you they are filming a reality series that they are "trying" to get their show on discovery or make a documentary to take to Sundance or something and then after it is shot they decide to edit it and put it on MTV. But I think typically once you sign away permission there is some sort of legal wording that lets them use what they film for whatever they want, So really the moral of the story is don't sign anything that lets other people use you, your name, or your place of business on camera.


I for at least the Real World in this most current season approached local bar/restaurant owners and set up filming ahead of time disclosing it was MTV and TRW. There was a list of approved businesses that the cast could frequent. Many other establishments told them to fark off or they simply weren't approached so the cast only had 5/10 bars they were allowed into. When the casual public asked the crew/cast what they were filming though, they would say it was a "documentary" and that was it.

/Real World filmed at the bar across from house this summer.
 
2012-12-17 03:36:01 PM  
So after reading his interview, he sounds like a really nice guy. I want to eat at his restaurant based just on his personality.
 
2012-12-17 03:36:08 PM  

mechgreg: So really the moral of the story is don't sign anything that lets other people use you, your name, or your place of business on camera.



Also, I wouldn't go that far.  I'd just have my lawyers look deeply into it, and set boundries in the contract.  If I were a BBQ place, I'd absolutely want to be on Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.
 
2012-12-17 03:37:48 PM  
I occasionally get requests from reality tv shows looking to rent one of my properties for their television show.

I saw no, always.
 
2012-12-17 03:37:49 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: I for at least the Real World in this most current season approached local bar/restaurant owners and set up filming ahead of time disclosing it was MTV and TRW. There was a list of approved businesses that the cast could frequent. Many other establishments told them to fark off or they simply weren't approached so the cast only had 5/10 bars they were allowed into. When the casual public asked the crew/cast what they were filming though, they would say it was a "documentary" and that was it.



Yeah, I know for a fact that people know its The Real World in advance.  Everyone did down here in New Orleans.  Heck, TRW puts out a press release stating where they're filming (not the exact spots and days at those spots- for obvious reasons.)
 
2012-12-17 03:40:49 PM  

Girion47: So after reading his interview, he sounds like a really nice guy. I want to eat at his restaurant based just on his personality.


He is. And the wings are pretty darned good.
 
2012-12-17 03:41:22 PM  
"From my understanding, this show doesn't do our people or state justice. I don't want them here."

So he decided to take a stand on his principles. Mtv was so confused by that concept that all they could think to do was throw more money at him.
 
2012-12-17 03:44:18 PM  
I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

www.wvgazette.com

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.
 
2012-12-17 03:46:02 PM  

Dogberry: Girion47: So after reading his interview, he sounds like a really nice guy. I want to eat at his restaurant based just on his personality.

He is. And the wings are pretty darned good.


I wouldn't care if the wings sucked and the beer was 50 degrees. I'd stop in his restaurant just for telling those greasy leeches to go fark themselves. I can visualize that smarmy little asshole saying "Let me call California".
 
2012-12-17 03:47:03 PM  

groppet: Well they already ruined their show by saying that when they were fighting it was "acting". This really is a race to the bottom and I thought that MTV couldnt lower the bar after Jersey Shore.


Don't tell me you actually think that anything on reality TV is real.
 
2012-12-17 03:48:09 PM  
Stupid Real World Denver way back took over my favorite bar downtown. Red Monkey room was the bomb!
 
2012-12-17 03:48:15 PM  

FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.


I got Steigl, Newcastle, Bud Light, Miller Lite, PBR, Shock Top, Guinness.

/what do you want from me, I'm a whiskey drinker
 
2012-12-17 03:51:31 PM  

FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.


And there's a whole other bank of taps on the other counter.
 
2012-12-17 03:51:59 PM  

downstairs: mechgreg: So really the moral of the story is don't sign anything that lets other people use you, your name, or your place of business on camera.


Also, I wouldn't go that far.  I'd just have my lawyers look deeply into it, and set boundries in the contract.  If I were a BBQ place, I'd absolutely want to be on Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.


Of course things like cooking shows are an exception. But for general reality type shows I would probably just say no. Those shows are filmed for so cheap that I imagine there isn't even time for your lawyer to review contract and set boundaries. I imagine there people come in and ask, and if you say yes they are filming very soon after that. If you say know they realize that in most cities there are enough bars and restaurants where they can just move on to the next one and ask them.
 
2012-12-17 03:55:57 PM  

ShawnDoc: Pretty standard in reality TV and news TV. Create a nice sounding front production company, lie about what you're going to film, and you're done. Its also how Borat was filmed. The courts have ruled its perfectly legal.


Which is why when someone asks to films something or sticks a camera in your face the answer is no go the fark away. I got burned by something similar in college by a local newspaper and I will never ever give a report the time of day again. Make me look like an asshole once, well you never get the chance to do it again.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:36 PM  
Born in Brazil and raised in Lebanon, Smeedy said he's a redneck by choice.

That would make a better article than this MTV nonsense.
 
2012-12-17 03:58:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Born in Brazil and raised in Lebanon, Smeedy said he's a redneck by choice.

That would make a better article than this MTV nonsense.


And he's more of an American than most of the people who were born here.
 
das
2012-12-17 03:59:06 PM  

Dogberry: FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.

And there's a whole other bank of taps on the other counter.


I didn't know they still made Old Style.
 
2012-12-17 04:01:25 PM  
God I hate reality TV. Except Comic Book Men. Even though everyone on the show is a douchebag. the stuff with comics and movie memorabilia is cool.
 
2012-12-17 04:02:41 PM  

dragyne: groppet: Well they already ruined their show by saying that when they were fighting it was "acting". This really is a race to the bottom and I thought that MTV couldnt lower the bar after Jersey Shore.

Don't tell me you actually think that anything on reality TV is real.


Oh hell no! But the production company at least tries to keep the illusion of "reality" alive until some bitter ex person on the show ( I wont say star) busts them for things being scripted.
 
2012-12-17 04:05:02 PM  

das: I didn't know they still made Old Style.



Still big in Chicago, for sure.
 
2012-12-17 04:12:23 PM  

downstairs: das: I didn't know they still made Old Style.


Still big in Chicago, for sure.


And still the worst beer ever.
 
2012-12-17 04:16:40 PM  

domo_kun_sai: downstairs: das: I didn't know they still made Old Style.


Still big in Chicago, for sure.

And still the worst beer ever.


You guys spelled "Narragansett" wrong.
 
2012-12-17 04:19:26 PM  

SkylineRecords: FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.

I got Steigl, Newcastle, Bud Light, Miller Lite, PBR, Shock Top, Guinness.

/what do you want from me, I'm a whiskey drinker


Magic Hat #9, Yeungling, Yeungling Light, Yeungling Black and Tan and I think Molson way down on the end
 
2012-12-17 04:24:32 PM  

Dogberry: FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.

And there's a whole other bank of taps on the other counter.


That isn't a bar! Its a holy shrine to BEER!
 
2012-12-17 04:26:46 PM  
Mark it....the last time integrity and honesty counted for something.

,,,and if I was local I'd be showing up for a cold one tonight and would buy a round.
 
2012-12-17 04:29:49 PM  

DSF6969: Dogberry: FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.

And there's a whole other bank of taps on the other counter.

That isn't a bar! Its a holy shrine to BEER!


A hundred taps. Sure, they all serve up Bud Light, but 100 TAPS!
 
2012-12-17 04:31:57 PM  
On another note, this guy thought someone was making an educational documentary titled "Buckwild". My sympathy can only extend so far.
 
2012-12-17 04:38:59 PM  
Their website lists most of the stuff on tap. Mostly gas station beer, but still better than an average bar.
 
2012-12-17 04:39:16 PM  

Lost Thought 00: On another note, this guy thought someone was making an educational documentary titled "Buckwild". My sympathy can only extend so far.


They didn't tell him it was for Buckwild, his GF found out that's what it was when she started investigating. They just told him it was for an educational documentary.
 
2012-12-17 04:44:39 PM  

Lost Thought 00: On another note, this guy thought someone was making an educational documentary titled "Buckwild". My sympathy can only extend so far.


They don't have to reveal the title of the show on the disclaimer. Just the production company. futoncritic has the listed studios as "Zoo Productions" and "Parallel Entertainment" It would take some googling to find out they do reality show and blue collar dreck.
 
2012-12-17 04:49:37 PM  

ShawnDoc: Pretty standard in reality TV and news TV. Create a nice sounding front production company, lie about what you're going to film, and you're done. Its also how Borat was filmed. The courts have ruled its perfectly legal.



Legal yes, ethical no.
 
2012-12-17 04:51:20 PM  
Good on the owner for not contributing to "reality TV." I would have liked to see him name the front companies they use to film this shiat and post the contact information given, and tell everyone in the area to avoid them like the plague. But a win is still a win.
 
2012-12-17 04:54:08 PM  

FishyFred: I sympathize with both parties in this spat, but the bar definitely looks solid. Check out the photo.

[www.wvgazette.com image 595x428]

It's time to play NAME THAT TAP HANDLE!

I can get at least nine no problem. I can guess at some of the other ones.


Hmmm. At a glance, I got:
Budwieser
Bud Light
Bud Select
Miller Lite
Michelob Ultra
Fosters
Great Lakes
Coors Light
Heineken
Amstel Light
Beer on Tap
Amberbock
Samuel Adams
Killians Red
Guiness-Bass
Newcastle
Shinerbock
Appalachian Ale
Blue Moon
Smithwicks
Woodchuck
 
2012-12-17 05:01:26 PM  
Brace for the follow-up story where MTV sues for the cost of all that gear transport and plane tickets for "reliance" issue.
 
2012-12-17 05:02:42 PM  
I loved the Real World in Philly where people started throwing things at them.
 
2012-12-17 05:04:24 PM  

SevenizGud: Brace for the follow-up story where MTV sues for the cost of all that gear transport and plane tickets for "reliance" issue.


Doubtful. MTV would lose out on bad press.
 
2012-12-17 05:11:23 PM  
no i don't.
MTV is irrelevant.
 
2012-12-17 05:28:17 PM  
Most of the time the shows are produced by small independent production companies that then sell the result to the network. so if they want to, they can go stealth and use their name only, or if it suits them they can tout that they are shooting for MTV.

I once did a shoot where permissions were thin on the ground for some of the locations, and we had to sneak shots while looking out for rent-a-security etc. I thought the producers were slime for doing that and vowed never to work on a shoot again where that situation existed.

Reality shows are slime to begin with, and it fits their ethos to do something like that.

Now I deal with production companies from the other side, they come to shoot what my company does, and the general rule is if you offer them an inch they'll try to get a mile. Gotta be careful in what you agree to.
 
2012-12-17 05:29:25 PM  
I always liked how, on "Penn & Teller's BULLshiat!", Penn would occasionally talk about the fictional production company name they used so as not to scare away the bozos they were going to mock. I admired Penn's honesty in telling us the truth -- thus I came to understand that it's ethical to lie to bozos, but not to the brainy people who watch TV.

I miss that show. No other science show contains enough profanity! Well, except that one episode of "Dinosaur Train" they can never repeat.
 
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