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(Salon)   Since most of the mass shootings in America come at the hands of white men, is it time to start profiling this demographic group?   (salon.com) divider line 432
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2012-12-17 02:06:10 PM  
Absolutely.
 
2012-12-17 02:11:58 PM  
Yes, that is exactly what happened in Fort Hood.
Oh wait, that was just a little workplace violence incident.
 
2012-12-17 02:12:43 PM  
I predict jumping tests at all TSA checkpoints within 6 months.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 02:21:31 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, that is exactly what happened in Fort Hood.
Oh wait, that was just a little workplace violence incident.


You have a point. Radical right wing white guys aren't any different than radicalized fundamentalist Muslim terrorists.
 
2012-12-17 02:25:39 PM  
"The United States faces the greatest internal threat to its existence since the Civil War. It faces disintegration of its culture; of its language; of its cohesiveness as a nation of free people. It faces massive infusion of unrelenting poverty; of crime; of diseases; of civil violence; of corruption at all levels; and worst of all, the United States faces balkanization that will destroy the fabric of its ability to function as a peaceful nation."

"One look at Los Angles with its Mexican-American mayor shows you [former Mexican President] Vicente Fox's general Varigossa [the correct spelling of the Los Angeles mayor's name is Antonio Villaraigosa] commanding an American city."

"Can we maintain our social fabric as a nation with Spanish fighting English for dominance? It's like injecting yourself with cancer cells to see what will happen. It's like importing leper colonies and hope we don't catch leprosy. It's like importing thousands of Islamic jihadists and hope they adapt to the American Dream."

"Tough, nasty illegals and their advocates grow in such numbers that law and order will not subdue them. They run us out of our cities and states. They conquer our language and our schools. They render havoc and chaos in our schools. I'm stunned at the speed of this invasion. I'm further stunned that most American don't see it or deny it or ignore it. We are much like the Titanic as we inbreed millions of Mexico's poor, the world's poor and we watch our country sink."


~Russell Pearce

As Russell Pearce states, we gotta defend our White Society. White is Right!

/feel ill posting this
 
2012-12-17 02:34:45 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Yes, that is exactly what happened in Fort Hood.
Oh wait, that was just a little workplace violence incident.


Here's a guy who doesn't understand the meaning of the word "most"!
 
2012-12-17 02:38:30 PM  
I am sure this discussion will be calm and well-reasoned.
 
2012-12-17 02:42:14 PM  
Profile away - I have nothing to hide from the po-po.

/ On a side note, "assault rifles" is a dumb definition - make it more precise by declaring all semi-auto weapons to be illegal.
 
2012-12-17 02:43:51 PM  
Great. There goes my backpack full of screwdrivers and Skittles.
 
2012-12-17 02:47:40 PM  

Elzar: Profile away - I have nothing to hide from the po-po.

/ On a side note, "assault rifles" is a dumb definition - make it more precise by declaring all semi-auto weapons to be illegal.


Why not make a special gunsmith classification as a requirement to own semi-autos? Millions of Americans own several semi-autos and they will never cause an issue. We do it for full auto weapons and the folks that own them never cause an issue.

Banning them will never work and punishing millions of law abiding citizens is not the way we should do things.
 
2012-12-17 02:54:14 PM  
We need to ban all white men. They're far too dangerous to have around the house.
 
2012-12-17 02:54:57 PM  

Elzar: Profile away - I have nothing to hide from the po-po.

/ On a side note, "assault rifles" is a dumb definition - make it more precise by declaring all semi-auto weapons to be illegal.


what about a double-action revolver? it can fire "semi-automatically" in the sense that it can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.
 
2012-12-17 02:56:10 PM  
For making this point, I quickly became the day's villain in the right-wing media. From the Daily Caller, to Fox News, to Breitbart, to Glenn Beck's the Blaze

Pissing off the kings of Derpistan usually means you're right.
 
2012-12-17 03:02:15 PM  
Males in their twenties. But not limited to white.
 
2012-12-17 03:03:04 PM  
Virginia Tech shooter wasn't white. Neither were the DC snipers.
 
2012-12-17 03:05:44 PM  
I thought the the general profile for serial killers in the US is a white male between the age of 20 and 50. Aren't we already profiling white men?
 
2012-12-17 03:09:57 PM  

SlothB77: Virginia Tech shooter wasn't white. Neither were the DC snipers.


The headline:
Since most of the mass shootings in America come at the hands of white men, is it time to start profiling this demographic group?

But, you know, black men will sleep with white women if they get high on marijuana, so let's outlaw the drug.
 
2012-12-17 03:12:00 PM  
I predict this thread will become a complete trainwreck, alleging that white people are simply over-represented by the racist media, which refuses to equate random murder sprees to acts of domestic or gang violence in, say, downtown Chicago.
 
2012-12-17 03:13:21 PM  
Man, if I were a broad I'd be annoyed by this mass shooting gender gap.
 
2012-12-17 03:18:04 PM  
Their problem is their culture. They learn to act that way from their peers and their community.
 
2012-12-17 03:21:41 PM  
Is it time to start profiling this demographic group?

Sure, why not? All you need to know:

Gopher321 - Sex: male Age: 42 Number of firearms owned: 0



There ya go. Now stop bugging me and go focus on the gun-owning, looneytunes crowd.
 
2012-12-17 03:23:11 PM  
I got profiled last night. Several cop cars were whizzing around my block and the adjoining area. Two stopped to look at my face. I guess I wasn't the guy, though...
 
2012-12-17 03:26:42 PM  
How about we teach people to profile notice signs of a mental health breakdown in friends and family, and give them the legal tools to have a loved one committed involuntarily for a psych eval, and education about that process (commercials, targeted mailings, papers that schools send home with kids, etc.)

Oh never mind, lets make it about race. That's a real winner.

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2012-12-17 03:28:27 PM  

violentsalvation: How about we teach people to profile notice signs of a mental health breakdown in friends and family, and give them the legal tools to have a loved one committed involuntarily for a psych eval, and education about that process (commercials, targeted mailings, papers that schools send home with kids, etc.)

Oh never mind, lets make it about race. That's a real winner.

This post is brought to you by the Ad Council and the Partnership For No More Stupid Salon Articles.


Yeah. All we need is a country full of arm-chair psychologists making life a legal hell for anyone who's not a 100-IQ extrovert.
 
2012-12-17 03:28:57 PM  

Shostie: Man, if I were a broad I'd be annoyed by this mass shooting gender gap.


Them dames are a hysterical bunch.
 
2012-12-17 03:28:58 PM  

violentsalvation: How about we teach people to profile notice signs of a mental health breakdown in friends and family, and give them the legal tools to have a loved one committed involuntarily for a psych eval, and education about that process (commercials, targeted mailings, papers that schools send home with kids, etc.)

Oh never mind, lets make it about race. That's a real winner.

This post is brought to you by the Ad Council and the Partnership For No More Stupid Salon Articles.


See, the problem is, you want to create a solution that won't benefit someone financially. That just won't do!
 
2012-12-17 03:31:44 PM  

Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: How about we teach people to profile notice signs of a mental health breakdown in friends and family, and give them the legal tools to have a loved one committed involuntarily for a psych eval, and education about that process (commercials, targeted mailings, papers that schools send home with kids, etc.)

Oh never mind, lets make it about race. That's a real winner.

This post is brought to you by the Ad Council and the Partnership For No More Stupid Salon Articles.

See, the problem is, you want to create a solution that won't benefit someone financially. That just won't do!


Oh, like hell it wouldn't. Think of all the lawyers people being accused would have to hire. Think of all the money going to psychiatric hospitals when the witch hunt was authorized. There'd be money flowing everywhere.
 
2012-12-17 03:32:46 PM  
Good. As a churchgoing single mother of two, I'm tired of having to cross the street to avoid the avaricious stares of these unruly honkies.
 
2012-12-17 03:33:53 PM  

coco ebert: I am sure this discussion will be calm and well-reasoned.


I've disagreed with you before, and it has never been anything but civil.

That makes.............. One I think.
 
2012-12-17 03:35:21 PM  
Um, don't they already do that?

I mean, weren't they at first looking for a young adult white guy during the Washington DC/VA shootings?

/no I drtfa
 
2012-12-17 03:38:56 PM  
FTA: I said that because most of the mass shootings in America come at the hands of white men with mental illness

FTFT. We already know what the threat is. Quit trying to blame firearm owners or white folk as a whole and try improving the quality and availability of mental health services instead.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:39 PM  
It is strange that MK Ultra delta programming is so sexist.
 
2012-12-17 04:16:40 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: I said that because most of the mass shootings in America come at the hands of white men with mental illness

FTFT. We already know what the threat is. Quit trying to blame firearm owners or white folk as a whole and try improving the quality and availability of mental health services instead.


I don't disagree, but how exactly does one do this?

Making health care in general more available is just one little piece of this puzzle.

Most people who need mental health care either aren't aware of it (for obvious reasons), or are rightfully concerned about the lifelong stigma that will follow seeking even an evaluation, much less diagnosis and treatment.

If we put the power into the hands of the public to accuse others, idiots will be making life hell for anyone they don't like, whether out of malice or ignorance. This latest round, we had a full day of psychological mumbo-jumbo stating the kid was "an introvert," as if introversion was itself a sign of mental illness rather than part of the normal distribution of personality types.

People would accuse people they don't like just because it gives them power. People who just like to mess with other people's lives for their own gratification would be pointing fingers everywhere and calling themselves "public safety activists."

How would we do this without it turning into a true witch hunt?
 
2012-12-17 04:21:16 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Shostie: Man, if I were a broad I'd be annoyed by this mass shooting gender gap.

Them dames are a hysterical bunch.


Agreed. biatches Be Wack.
 
2012-12-17 04:21:41 PM  
Make guns that can only fire while jumping. Since white men can't jump, problem solved
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 04:24:28 PM  

sammyk: Elzar: Profile away - I have nothing to hide from the po-po.

/ On a side note, "assault rifles" is a dumb definition - make it more precise by declaring all semi-auto weapons to be illegal.

Why not make a special gunsmith classification as a requirement to own semi-autos? Millions of Americans own several semi-autos and they will never cause an issue. We do it for full auto weapons and the folks that own them never cause an issue.

Banning them will never work and punishing millions of law abiding citizens is not the way we should do things.


Even though it has worked just fine in every other developed nation? (Including Switzerland)
 
2012-12-17 04:27:35 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: How would we do this without it turning into a true witch hunt?


==

FTFA: Any honest observer should be able to admit that if the gunmen in these mass shootings mostly had, say, Muslim names or were mostly, say, African-American men, the country right now wouldn't be confused about the causes of the violence, and wouldn't be asking broad questions. There would probably be few queries or calls for reflection, and mostly definitive declarations blaming the bloodshed squarely on Islamic fundamentalism or black nationalism, respectively. Additionally, we would almost certainly hear demands that the government intensify the extant profiling systems already aimed at those groups.

I think the TFA's point is that it already is a witch hunt.....just one for Black and Muslim warlocks. 

We don't "profile" whiteness because whiteness is already the defacto cultural profile for everyone else to be measured by. Its supposed to be the "invisible" standard.
 
2012-12-17 04:31:35 PM  

sammyk: punishing millions of law abiding citizens is not the way we should do things.


No one would be punishing citizens. You'd be punishing an object "of reverence. Devotion to it precludes interruption with the sacrifices it entails. Like most gods, it does what it will, and cannot be questioned. Its acolytes think it is capable only of good things. It guarantees life and safety and freedom. It even guarantees law. Law grows from it. Then how can law question it?"
 
2012-12-17 04:34:52 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I don't disagree, but how exactly does one do this?


I'm not sure, and you have a lot of valid points. All I know if that the United States is not the only western nation to have a high number of privately-owned firearms. Canada, Finland, France, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland have a fair number as well. They also have access to violent movies, television series and video games. Several of them have high numbers of immigrants. Many have low religious attendance. Yet they just do not seem to have the same issue we do with whackos shooting the place up. The only thing that makes us stand out is our mental health support system.

Maybe some of our European Farkers can comment. Because involuntarily institutionalization in this country has been a bit harder to do since O'Connor v. Donaldson. Maybe they make it easier to accuse, but have better standards to ensure that innocent people don't get put into the system when they should not.
 
2012-12-17 04:41:41 PM  
What age range were they?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 04:42:18 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Dinjiin: FTA: I said that because most of the mass shootings in America come at the hands of white men with mental illness

FTFT. We already know what the threat is. Quit trying to blame firearm owners or white folk as a whole and try improving the quality and availability of mental health services instead.

I don't disagree, but how exactly does one do this?

Making health care in general more available is just one little piece of this puzzle.

Most people who need mental health care either aren't aware of it (for obvious reasons), or are rightfully concerned about the lifelong stigma that will follow seeking even an evaluation, much less diagnosis and treatment.

If we put the power into the hands of the public to accuse others, idiots will be making life hell for anyone they don't like, whether out of malice or ignorance. This latest round, we had a full day of psychological mumbo-jumbo stating the kid was "an introvert," as if introversion was itself a sign of mental illness rather than part of the normal distribution of personality types.

People would accuse people they don't like just because it gives them power. People who just like to mess with other people's lives for their own gratification would be pointing fingers everywhere and calling themselves "public safety activists."

How would we do this without it turning into a true witch hunt?


I think with real Antisocial Personality Disorder has displays more signs of his condition than mere introversion. Things like hitting public web sites with pro-gun politics right after a major mass shooting for instance. Also paranoia, violent fantasies, delusional disorder.

It's too bad that there isn't some sort of national organization for people like that that would have them identified already. A sort of Nut Registration Association if you will.
 
2012-12-17 04:43:28 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: What age range were they?


White to caucasian. Why?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 04:44:41 PM  

Dinjiin: Lenny_da_Hog: I don't disagree, but how exactly does one do this?

I'm not sure, and you have a lot of valid points. All I know if that the United States is not the only western nation to have a high number of privately-owned firearms. Canada, Finland, France, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland have a fair number as well. They also have access to violent movies, television series and video games. Several of them have high numbers of immigrants. Many have low religious attendance. Yet they just do not seem to have the same issue we do with whackos shooting the place up. The only thing that makes us stand out is our mental health support system.

Maybe some of our European Farkers can comment. Because involuntarily institutionalization in this country has been a bit harder to do since O'Connor v. Donaldson. Maybe they make it easier to accuse, but have better standards to ensure that innocent people don't get put into the system when they should not.


The only thing that stands out is that those countries all have stricter gun control laws.
 
2012-12-17 04:45:50 PM  

Somacandra: Lenny_da_Hog: How would we do this without it turning into a true witch hunt?

==

FTFA: Any honest observer should be able to admit that if the gunmen in these mass shootings mostly had, say, Muslim names or were mostly, say, African-American men, the country right now wouldn't be confused about the causes of the violence, and wouldn't be asking broad questions. There would probably be few queries or calls for reflection, and mostly definitive declarations blaming the bloodshed squarely on Islamic fundamentalism or black nationalism, respectively. Additionally, we would almost certainly hear demands that the government intensify the extant profiling systems already aimed at those groups.

I think the TFA's point is that it already is a witch hunt.....just one for Black and Muslim warlocks. 

We don't "profile" whiteness because whiteness is already the defacto cultural profile for everyone else to be measured by. Its supposed to be the "invisible" standard.


FTFMe -- We had moved on to the matter of mental health as part of the discussion, but thanks for not paying attention.
 
2012-12-17 04:50:44 PM  

Shostie: Man, if I were a broad I'd be annoyed by this mass shooting gender gap.


Bunch of underachievers is what they are.
 
2012-12-17 04:51:29 PM  

vpb: sammyk: Elzar: Profile away - I have nothing to hide from the po-po.

/ On a side note, "assault rifles" is a dumb definition - make it more precise by declaring all semi-auto weapons to be illegal.

Why not make a special gunsmith classification as a requirement to own semi-autos? Millions of Americans own several semi-autos and they will never cause an issue. We do it for full auto weapons and the folks that own them never cause an issue.

Banning them will never work and punishing millions of law abiding citizens is not the way we should do things.

Even though it has worked just fine in every other developed nation? (Including Switzerland)


You don't believe in American exceptionalism? Those lesser nations use the metric system, too.
 
2012-12-17 04:55:16 PM  
This is great. Keep this thread active until all of FARK's hardcore white supremacists come out of the woodwork, and then nuke it from orbit.
 
2012-12-17 04:55:55 PM  

Dinjiin: Lenny_da_Hog: I don't disagree, but how exactly does one do this?

I'm not sure, and you have a lot of valid points. All I know if that the United States is not the only western nation to have a high number of privately-owned firearms. Canada, Finland, France, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland have a fair number as well. They also have access to violent movies, television series and video games. Several of them have high numbers of immigrants. Many have low religious attendance. Yet they just do not seem to have the same issue we do with whackos shooting the place up. The only thing that makes us stand out is our mental health support system.

Maybe some of our European Farkers can comment. Because involuntarily institutionalization in this country has been a bit harder to do since O'Connor v. Donaldson. Maybe they make it easier to accuse, but have better standards to ensure that innocent people don't get put into the system when they should not.


That would be cool. I'm truly curious about how countries with actual medical access identify and treat mental illness, potentially suicidal/homicidal/self-damaging people, etc.

Is mental health care as stigmatized elsewhere?
 
2012-12-17 04:56:00 PM  
Whites make up about 80% of the population, including Hispanic whites. Women, for whatever reason, rarely commit spree killings. So....
 
2012-12-17 04:56:07 PM  
Can we please take a breath and not let emotion and reaction dictate our policy regarding gun laws? It was a tragedy and it was terrible, but lashing out at gun ownership is little better than lashing out against atheism or video games or politics. Emotional responses to tragedy are no way to make policy. If we learned anything from 9/11, it should have been that.
 
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