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2012-12-17 04:00:29 PM  
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I don't suppose five years of recession could have anything to do with the so-called stall.

But to correct the factual errors and false impressions given by the article I would like to point out:

* The "stall" is only a stall relative to one year, 1998, which was the hottest year on record. Seeing as super-hot record years tend to be scattered more or less randomly through history, this is neither surprising nor significant. What is significant is that ALL of the last 330 months are above the average and the base line, which is a running average that is adjusted every 15 years, has risen.

* The climatologists predicted a period of cooling would begin in 2009. It did. They based this on known climate cycles. These are separate from the general warming trend predicted by climatologists based on increasing GHG in the atmosphere. Also, they tend to be fairly large swings so they swamp the still small increases of year to year warmth.

The article gives the impressions that scientists are being disingenuous if not dishonest, but they aren't. On the contrary, they have been frank about what they do and do not know and were actually ahead of the denialists in predicting this cooling period.

When the economies of North America and Europe recover from the recession, they will resume pumping GHG. Meanwhile, the economies of China and India have slumped slightly. Since China is now the number one producer of GHG and pollution (aerosols that create a brown haze of smog that is visible from space), and since the US and India are next, we can expect moderate growth in the mean global temperature from anthropogenic sources for a while longer.

There may also be natural factors at play, seeing as the IPCC report and climatologists acknowledge the existence of natural forcing agents both pro- and anti- warming.

The climatologists have been totally frank and honest in their statements about these and other mysteries or fluctuations of climate change.

Mistaking a glimpse of sunlight for the end of the storm is a common error. This is very similar.

I will go on pointing out the foolishness of calling the failure to match or beat a random annual record a disprove of the global long-range trend as long as it takes.

It's nice to see the non-ideological doubting Thomases are beginning to come around based on the evidence of their own experience of extreme weather (even though this may be anecdotal and thus not the best evidence, that being largely understood ONLY by climatologists and not by random members of the general public, or denialists with no scientific or climatological training.

I'm also glad to see evangelicals becoming concerned. Even though they are not very happy with what science tells them and thus prone to denying well-established scientific theories and facts, they have enough of a sense that God demands stewardship and not quietism of Christians (and Jews and Muslims, among others). As the parable of the Good Steward teaches, it is not enough to bury your talent in the ground and passively return God's investment intact. You should be actively using the riches God gives you to increase the wealth with which you are intrusted. Liberal Christians have believed this for decades, even before the 1960s. The Good Fight is not a passive resistance against evil--it is a struggle to make life happier and better for all, even sinners.

This is the kind of religion humanity can use. It pursues a better world rather than waiting for the New Jerusalem to drop down from heaven as big as the Moon.

This article, like a steady stream of Denialist propaganda, misrepresents the opinions, actions and motivations of scientists, as well as the facts. Who needs another piece of flim-flam like that?
2012-12-17 03:40:31 PM  
2 votes:

elchip: Vegan Meat Popsicle: FishyFred: 1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.

Whatever. This data point is just a data point like all the other data points on the graph and we all know trends, not a data point, are what's meaningful.

/ ow... the human brain isn't meant to twist that way...

If we exclude 1998 as an outlier, do we see more warming, or a stall?


Someone actually crunched the math. If you exclude 1998 and start at 1999 or if you include 1997 as the starting point of that set instead of 1998, then the trend essentially becomes positive again. Only if you start at 1998 does the data look like it's going to stall.
2012-12-17 03:35:12 PM  
2 votes:

mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants


why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.
2012-12-17 03:33:50 PM  
2 votes:
Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

www.metoffice.gov.uk

Nope, no trends there!
2012-12-17 08:42:35 PM  
1 vote:

Aramis21: Can't believe nobody has posted this yet:

[www.venganza.org image 600x400]


I have an unrelated but just as important graph: 

i303.photobucket.com
2012-12-17 04:47:45 PM  
1 vote:

Slam1263: Yeah Nukes!!

Not just for turning our enemys into vapor anymore.

The whole Church of AGW must be agog, much like those other zealots that predicted a Rapture not yet to be.

Gee, what happens when you predict global devistation, and it doesn't occur? Beside smelling scorched careers.

Here we are, with well over 100 years of fuel left, now is the time for rational planning. But lets leave the governmet out of the loop, they'd screw it up.



Anyone care to flow-chart how any one of these individual statements corresponds to any of the others? I'm getting whiffs of Time-Cube off of this post.
2012-12-17 04:09:39 PM  
1 vote:
www.metoffice.gov.uk

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-17 04:09:11 PM  
1 vote:

thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.


You sound young.
2012-12-17 04:06:18 PM  
1 vote:

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190]

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


There are no labels on that graph. Without labels, a graph is nothing but a couple of lines and a bunch of meaningless numbers.
2012-12-17 04:02:09 PM  
1 vote:

thecpt: ImperialHazman: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

Because the same people talking about climate change now were carrying "no nukes" banners in the eighties.

nuclear reactors !== nukes, or were they too high to know that?


Best I can recall there were protests against both weapons and the power industry. TMI and Chernobyl scared a lot of people.
2012-12-17 04:00:31 PM  
1 vote:

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Graph of Climate Change vs. Year
DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


i.imgur.com
2012-12-17 03:51:11 PM  
1 vote:

Bullseyed: zackthebass: Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

[www.metoffice.gov.uk image 640x455]

Nope, no trends there!

So 50 out of every 100 years are above average, while the other 50 are below average. Averages, how do they work?!?!?!


Are you a math god?
2012-12-17 03:40:30 PM  
1 vote:
militarytimes.com

*A-farkING-HEM*

You're welcome, world.
2012-12-17 03:34:55 PM  
1 vote:
I expect this thread to contain a rational discussion on climate change.
2012-12-17 03:33:54 PM  
1 vote:

elchip: If we exclude 1998 as an outlier, do we see more warming, or a stall?


I don't know, but statistics doesn't work that way. Or at least doesn't have to here. The problem isn't that we need to exclude the outlier, the problem is that idiots like TFA's retarded author need to stop cherry-picking tiny segments of the data set to try and prove a point that doesn't exist.

I think you misunderstood the sarcasm of my prior post.
2012-12-17 03:31:34 PM  
1 vote:
its hot as fark here in texas
2012-12-17 03:31:27 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, wow.

Some other surely brilliant pieces from wunderkind Lewis Page just since the start of November:

New science upsets calculations on sea level rise, climate change
AARGH! We're ALL DOOMED, bellows UN - right on schedule
Climate NON-change: No increase in droughts since 1950, say boffins
Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions'
Swedish boffins: An ICE AGE is coming, only CO2 can save us

Yea. This guy doesn't seem to have any sort of agenda that would throw the credibility of his work into question...
2012-12-17 03:30:05 PM  
1 vote:
Fark.


What am I going to do now?
2012-12-17 03:26:33 PM  
1 vote:
Nice! I'm finally going to be able to burn down that new stretch of forest so I can plant some more cash crops for a few years till the soil depletes.
2012-12-17 03:25:53 PM  
1 vote:
Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?
2012-12-17 03:25:40 PM  
1 vote:

FishyFred: 1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.


Whatever. This data point is just a data point like all the other data points on the graph and we all know trends, not a data point, are what's meaningful.

/ ow... the human brain isn't meant to twist that way...
2012-12-17 03:25:04 PM  
1 vote:
Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!
2012-12-17 03:21:36 PM  
1 vote:
1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.
2012-12-17 02:40:36 PM  
1 vote:
Less hairspray, polyester, and angst?
2012-12-17 02:19:29 PM  
1 vote:
Thanks Obama.

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