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2012-12-17 02:19:29 PM  
Thanks Obama.

dtdstudios.com
 
2012-12-17 02:40:36 PM  
Less hairspray, polyester, and angst?
 
2012-12-17 03:21:36 PM  
1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.
 
2012-12-17 03:25:04 PM  
Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!
 
2012-12-17 03:25:40 PM  

FishyFred: 1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.


Whatever. This data point is just a data point like all the other data points on the graph and we all know trends, not a data point, are what's meaningful.

/ ow... the human brain isn't meant to twist that way...
 
2012-12-17 03:25:53 PM  
Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?
 
2012-12-17 03:26:33 PM  
Nice! I'm finally going to be able to burn down that new stretch of forest so I can plant some more cash crops for a few years till the soil depletes.
 
2012-12-17 03:28:32 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: FishyFred: 1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.

Whatever. This data point is just a data point like all the other data points on the graph and we all know trends, not a data point, are what's meaningful.

/ ow... the human brain isn't meant to twist that way...


If we exclude 1998 as an outlier, do we see more warming, or a stall?
 
2012-12-17 03:29:05 PM  

elchip: Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?


See, that is the funny thing about a concensus.
 
2012-12-17 03:30:05 PM  
Fark.


What am I going to do now?
 
2012-12-17 03:31:27 PM  
Oh, wow.

Some other surely brilliant pieces from wunderkind Lewis Page just since the start of November:

New science upsets calculations on sea level rise, climate change
AARGH! We're ALL DOOMED, bellows UN - right on schedule
Climate NON-change: No increase in droughts since 1950, say boffins
Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions'
Swedish boffins: An ICE AGE is coming, only CO2 can save us

Yea. This guy doesn't seem to have any sort of agenda that would throw the credibility of his work into question...
 
2012-12-17 03:31:34 PM  
its hot as fark here in texas
 
2012-12-17 03:33:05 PM  
I still think there are temperature regulating feedbacks that counter CO2 buildups. Like increased cloud formation reducing solar inputs. I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants than find out first hand how well these temp regulators work. Hydrocarbons are too valuable to burn. I'd rather we use them for chemical feedstocks for plastics and such.
 
2012-12-17 03:33:50 PM  
Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

www.metoffice.gov.uk

Nope, no trends there!
 
2012-12-17 03:33:54 PM  

elchip: If we exclude 1998 as an outlier, do we see more warming, or a stall?


I don't know, but statistics doesn't work that way. Or at least doesn't have to here. The problem isn't that we need to exclude the outlier, the problem is that idiots like TFA's retarded author need to stop cherry-picking tiny segments of the data set to try and prove a point that doesn't exist.

I think you misunderstood the sarcasm of my prior post.
 
2012-12-17 03:34:33 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Thanks Obama.

[dtdstudios.com image 600x463]


Yeah, but what is that as a percentage increase? I bet it's even worse!
 
2012-12-17 03:34:55 PM  
I expect this thread to contain a rational discussion on climate change.
 
2012-12-17 03:35:08 PM  

elchip: Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?


Yes, it's an inverse relationship. Subby's just confused.

The warming trend has stalled a bit most likely due to the unrest in Somalia giving us a few more years before the climate really goes to shiat, but we can't count on them to hold oil tankers hostage for us forever. It's time the developed nations realize they have to take things into their own hands, and put more funding into their own piracy career training programs.
 
2012-12-17 03:35:12 PM  

mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants


why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.
 
2012-12-17 03:35:35 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Thanks Obama.

[dtdstudios.com image 600x463]


Jefferson needs a spot on there.
 
2012-12-17 03:37:13 PM  

elchip: Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?


 



This.

 
2012-12-17 03:37:51 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: elchip: Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?

 

This.


Screw these new WYSIWYG buttons.
 
2012-12-17 03:40:30 PM  
militarytimes.com

*A-farkING-HEM*

You're welcome, world.
 
2012-12-17 03:40:31 PM  

elchip: Vegan Meat Popsicle: FishyFred: 1998! 1998!

Those four numbers cause my bullshiat alarm to ring in climate threads.

Whatever. This data point is just a data point like all the other data points on the graph and we all know trends, not a data point, are what's meaningful.

/ ow... the human brain isn't meant to twist that way...

If we exclude 1998 as an outlier, do we see more warming, or a stall?


Someone actually crunched the math. If you exclude 1998 and start at 1999 or if you include 1997 as the starting point of that set instead of 1998, then the trend essentially becomes positive again. Only if you start at 1998 does the data look like it's going to stall.
 
2012-12-17 03:41:19 PM  
Oh great. Now what am I supposed to do with all these air conditioning units me and me mateys captured from that Taiwanese freighter earlier this fall?
 
2012-12-17 03:41:23 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Thanks Obama.

[dtdstudios.com image 600x463]


Dammit so much FartNambla! Now we'll have three more global warmings!
 
2012-12-17 03:46:59 PM  
So because the excess heat is going into melting the icecaps rather than heating the air, it doesn't exist? Nice logic there!
 
2012-12-17 03:47:26 PM  
Okay, that is the average, now get us the high / lows. Extra heat in summer and extra cold in winter is still climate change. Even if they produce a lower average.
 
2012-12-17 03:49:00 PM  

mark12A: I still think there are temperature regulating feedbacks that counter CO2 buildups. Like increased cloud formation reducing solar inputs. I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants than find out first hand how well these temp regulators work. Hydrocarbons are too valuable to burn. I'd rather we use them for chemical feedstocks for plastics and such.


If I was God, that is how I would have done it.
They tell me I am the spittin' image, so,,,
 
2012-12-17 03:49:15 PM  
faculty.eicc.edu

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS
 
2012-12-17 03:49:30 PM  

zackthebass: Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

[www.metoffice.gov.uk image 640x455]

Nope, no trends there!


So 50 out of every 100 years are above average, while the other 50 are below average. Averages, how do they work?!?!?!
 
2012-12-17 03:51:08 PM  

thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.


Because the same people talking about climate change now were carrying "no nukes" banners in the eighties.
 
2012-12-17 03:51:11 PM  

Bullseyed: zackthebass: Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

[www.metoffice.gov.uk image 640x455]

Nope, no trends there!

So 50 out of every 100 years are above average, while the other 50 are below average. Averages, how do they work?!?!?!


Are you a math god?
 
2012-12-17 03:53:37 PM  
Math god sez, half of all people are of below average intelligence.

And all have opinions.
 
2012-12-17 03:54:59 PM  
considering the number of pirate movies made since 1998 you'd think that graph would be a bit different
 
2012-12-17 03:55:31 PM  

ImperialHazman: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

Because the same people talking about climate change now were carrying "no nukes" banners in the eighties.


nuclear reactors !== nukes, or were they too high to know that?
 
2012-12-17 03:56:46 PM  
www.sports-logos-screensavers.com

The Pirates haven't been a threat since at least 1992.
 
2012-12-17 03:57:30 PM  
Where does this fit in to all of this?
Climate was HOTTER in Roman, medieval times than now
 
2012-12-17 03:59:55 PM  

Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!


No doubt it was, but it's impossible to get their numbers to graph them. Quite the conundrum.
 
2012-12-17 04:00:23 PM  

zackthebass: Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:
[image]
Nope, no trends there!



img707.imageshack.us

You'll notice that the graph levels off after 1998 to the present, which is what was talked about in the article. So either the warming trend is only a fraction of what is was in the drastic 1980s, or the warming trend will actually be flat for a few more years.
 
2012-12-17 04:00:29 PM  
I don't suppose five years of recession could have anything to do with the so-called stall.

But to correct the factual errors and false impressions given by the article I would like to point out:

* The "stall" is only a stall relative to one year, 1998, which was the hottest year on record. Seeing as super-hot record years tend to be scattered more or less randomly through history, this is neither surprising nor significant. What is significant is that ALL of the last 330 months are above the average and the base line, which is a running average that is adjusted every 15 years, has risen.

* The climatologists predicted a period of cooling would begin in 2009. It did. They based this on known climate cycles. These are separate from the general warming trend predicted by climatologists based on increasing GHG in the atmosphere. Also, they tend to be fairly large swings so they swamp the still small increases of year to year warmth.

The article gives the impressions that scientists are being disingenuous if not dishonest, but they aren't. On the contrary, they have been frank about what they do and do not know and were actually ahead of the denialists in predicting this cooling period.

When the economies of North America and Europe recover from the recession, they will resume pumping GHG. Meanwhile, the economies of China and India have slumped slightly. Since China is now the number one producer of GHG and pollution (aerosols that create a brown haze of smog that is visible from space), and since the US and India are next, we can expect moderate growth in the mean global temperature from anthropogenic sources for a while longer.

There may also be natural factors at play, seeing as the IPCC report and climatologists acknowledge the existence of natural forcing agents both pro- and anti- warming.

The climatologists have been totally frank and honest in their statements about these and other mysteries or fluctuations of climate change.

Mistaking a glimpse of sunlight for the end of the storm is a common error. This is very similar.

I will go on pointing out the foolishness of calling the failure to match or beat a random annual record a disprove of the global long-range trend as long as it takes.

It's nice to see the non-ideological doubting Thomases are beginning to come around based on the evidence of their own experience of extreme weather (even though this may be anecdotal and thus not the best evidence, that being largely understood ONLY by climatologists and not by random members of the general public, or denialists with no scientific or climatological training.

I'm also glad to see evangelicals becoming concerned. Even though they are not very happy with what science tells them and thus prone to denying well-established scientific theories and facts, they have enough of a sense that God demands stewardship and not quietism of Christians (and Jews and Muslims, among others). As the parable of the Good Steward teaches, it is not enough to bury your talent in the ground and passively return God's investment intact. You should be actively using the riches God gives you to increase the wealth with which you are intrusted. Liberal Christians have believed this for decades, even before the 1960s. The Good Fight is not a passive resistance against evil--it is a struggle to make life happier and better for all, even sinners.

This is the kind of religion humanity can use. It pursues a better world rather than waiting for the New Jerusalem to drop down from heaven as big as the Moon.

This article, like a steady stream of Denialist propaganda, misrepresents the opinions, actions and motivations of scientists, as well as the facts. Who needs another piece of flim-flam like that?
 
2012-12-17 04:00:31 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Graph of Climate Change vs. Year
DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 04:01:58 PM  

Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!


Maybe it was Robot Ninjas! Robot Ninjas are the deadliest enemy of pirates.
 
2012-12-17 04:02:09 PM  

thecpt: ImperialHazman: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

Because the same people talking about climate change now were carrying "no nukes" banners in the eighties.

nuclear reactors !== nukes, or were they too high to know that?


Best I can recall there were protests against both weapons and the power industry. TMI and Chernobyl scared a lot of people.
 
2012-12-17 04:03:23 PM  

brantgoose: Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!

Maybe it was Robot Ninjas! Robot Ninjas are the deadliest enemy of pirates.


Nothing is sadder when a Ninja dies in a line of doody.

i8.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 04:05:29 PM  
It appears that we are ignoring the global cooling issue!!!!
 
2012-12-17 04:06:18 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190]

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


There are no labels on that graph. Without labels, a graph is nothing but a couple of lines and a bunch of meaningless numbers.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:13 PM  

JackieRabbit: Oh great. Now what am I supposed to do with all these air conditioning units me and me mateys captured from that Taiwanese freighter earlier this fall?


Build an AC igloo. Sure, it's been done before, but then, so have meat dresses--there was one hanging in the National Art Gallery of Canada years before I ever heard of Lady Gaga.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:11 PM  

thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.


You sound young.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:39 PM  
www.metoffice.gov.uk

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-17 04:11:08 PM  
Free market working!
 
2012-12-17 04:11:25 PM  
i877.photobucket.com

I'll keelhaul the lot of ye
Ye slimy scallywags!
 
2012-12-17 04:15:30 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

You sound young.


i am..., I love reading about the history of nuclear power, so I'm afforded the luxury of reading it with 20/20 hindsight and none of that fear mongering that happened during disasters. I'm fairly certain most Americans don't know that TMI has never accounted for a single death.
 
2012-12-17 04:16:35 PM  

zackthebass: Here's the graph they're going by, as linked in the article:

[www.metoffice.gov.uk image 640x455]

Nope, no trends there!


If AGW were as significant as some say, without it, would we not be at 1910 temps and falling into a new mini Ice Age? Or is the truth somewhere in between?
 
2012-12-17 04:17:03 PM  
False.
 
2012-12-17 04:17:19 PM  

Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!


I've got a theory. It could be bunnies.
 
2012-12-17 04:20:09 PM  
elchip: Wait, I thought less pirates meant more global warming?

Fark Rye For Many Whores: This.


Not necessarily. Pirates do SOMETIMES cause Global Warming. But a pirate can do what he wants, because a pirate is free!
 
2012-12-17 04:22:13 PM  

thecpt: StoPPeRmobile: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

You sound young.

i am..., I love reading about the history of nuclear power, so I'm afforded the luxury of reading it with 20/20 hindsight and none of that fear mongering that happened during disasters. I'm fairly certain most Americans don't know that TMI has never accounted for a single death.


I was taking Nuclear Science my senior year when that happened. Our teacher showed us a newspaper article about people leaving the area and flying out of state. He showed us that those people who flew away got more radiation being in an airplane than if they had been standing naked outside the fence through the whole ordeal. Yeah, there was a lot of stupidity and panic when that happened.
 
2012-12-17 04:23:34 PM  

BronyMedic: brantgoose: Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!

Maybe it was Robot Ninjas! Robot Ninjas are the deadliest enemy of pirates.

Nothing is sadder when a Ninja dies in a line of doody.

[i8.photobucket.com image 600x449]


Which is why I am so concerned about the world's shrinking stockpiles of Faygo.
 
2012-12-17 04:41:37 PM  
Does that mean it's time for global cooling?
 
2012-12-17 04:41:44 PM  
Yeah Nukes!!

Not just for turning our enemys into vapor anymore.

The whole Church of AGW must be agog, much like those other zealots that predicted a Rapture not yet to be.

Gee, what happens when you predict global devistation, and it doesn't occur? Beside smelling scorched careers.

Here we are, with well over 100 years of fuel left, now is the time for rational planning. But lets leave the governmet out of the loop, they'd screw it up.
 
2012-12-17 04:46:47 PM  

BronyMedic: brantgoose: Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!

Maybe it was Robot Ninjas! Robot Ninjas are the deadliest enemy of pirates.

Nothing is sadder when a Ninja dies in a line of doody.

[i8.photobucket.com image 600x449]


In light of recent events, that picture is a whole lot less funny than it would have been a few weeks ago.
 
2012-12-17 04:47:45 PM  

Slam1263: Yeah Nukes!!

Not just for turning our enemys into vapor anymore.

The whole Church of AGW must be agog, much like those other zealots that predicted a Rapture not yet to be.

Gee, what happens when you predict global devistation, and it doesn't occur? Beside smelling scorched careers.

Here we are, with well over 100 years of fuel left, now is the time for rational planning. But lets leave the governmet out of the loop, they'd screw it up.



Anyone care to flow-chart how any one of these individual statements corresponds to any of the others? I'm getting whiffs of Time-Cube off of this post.
 
2012-12-17 04:59:36 PM  
Meh, it just means the people aren't panicking over AGW any more, and Fukushima is still fresh enough that we can start a panic about nuclear power, so we're flipping the switch back from "CO2 bad, nukes good!" to "CO2 good, nukes bad!"

/drives a rice burner and rides a bike
//not to save the planet, just to save money
 
2012-12-17 05:01:19 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I expect this thread to contain a rational discussion on climate change.


I expect you to be disappointed :-)
 
2012-12-17 05:07:00 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190]

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS



forum.battleclinic.com
Dat Axis!! 
 
2012-12-17 05:23:04 PM  

hdhale: BronyMedic: brantgoose: Resident Muslim: Was it the Ninjas? It was the Ninjas, wasn't it?!

Maybe it was Robot Ninjas! Robot Ninjas are the deadliest enemy of pirates.

Nothing is sadder when a Ninja dies in a line of doody.

[i8.photobucket.com image 600x449]

In light of recent events, that picture is a whole lot less funny than it would have been a few weeks ago.


And yet I couldn't help but laugh. I am a bad human being. :(

/To be fair to myself, I think my laughing might have been more at the word "doody" than anything else.
 
2012-12-17 05:25:34 PM  

brantgoose: I don't suppose five years of recession could have anything to do with the so-called stall.

But to correct the factual errors and false impressions given by the article I would like to point out:

* The "stall" is only a stall relative to one year, 1998, which was the hottest year on record. Seeing as super-hot record years tend to be scattered more or less randomly through history, this is neither surprising nor significant. What is significant is that ALL of the last 330 months are above the average and the base line, which is a running average that is adjusted every 15 years, has risen.

* The climatologists predicted a period of cooling would begin in 2009. It did. They based this on known climate cycles. These are separate from the general warming trend predicted by climatologists based on increasing GHG in the atmosphere. Also, they tend to be fairly large swings so they swamp the still small increases of year to year warmth.

The article gives the impressions that scientists are being disingenuous if not dishonest, but they aren't. On the contrary, they have been frank about what they do and do not know and were actually ahead of the denialists in predicting this cooling period.

When the economies of North America and Europe recover from the recession, they will resume pumping GHG. Meanwhile, the economies of China and India have slumped slightly. Since China is now the number one producer of GHG and pollution (aerosols that create a brown haze of smog that is visible from space), and since the US and India are next, we can expect moderate growth in the mean global temperature from anthropogenic sources for a while longer.

There may also be natural factors at play, seeing as the IPCC report and climatologists acknowledge the existence of natural forcing agents both pro- and anti- warming.

The climatologists have been totally frank and honest in their statements about these and other mysteries or fluctuations of climate change.

Mistaking a glimpse of sunl ...


the most important part of the article is this: "something may be going on which is not understood", I think that the part that is known is extremely smaller than the part that is not known. When you are on that part of the curve, action should not be proposed. They should be spending their time trying to close that gap.
 
2012-12-17 05:52:09 PM  
I'm sure the hundreds of nuclear tests preformed in the atmosphere since the 50's has had little effect, right.

Besides how can we really know what the temperatures actually were hundreds of years ago, by ice samples? If you can show me how you can know what the temperature is in North America or Asia by knowing what the temp in Antartica then maybe I'll start to believe some of this psuedo-science. Weather patterns are so complex we can't even predict things within 6 hours with much accuracy.
 
2012-12-17 05:57:27 PM  

flynn80: I'm sure the hundreds of nuclear tests preformed in the atmosphere since the 50's has had little effect, right.

Besides how can we really know what the temperatures actually were hundreds of years ago, by ice samples? If you can show me how you can know what the temperature is in North America or Asia by knowing what the temp in Antartica then maybe I'll start to believe some of this psuedo-science. Weather patterns are so complex we can't even predict things within 6 hours with much accuracy.


Agrumentum ad ignorantiam - Sweet!

Only 2 more and I'll have B-I-N-G-O! 
i651.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 06:03:03 PM  

flynn80: I'm sure the hundreds of nuclear tests preformed in the atmosphere since the 50's has had little effect, right.


Right. A mature hurricane dumps out the energy equivalent of a 10-megaton nuclear explosion every 20 minutes, so the energy content of a nuclear test is pretty tame by comparison to the energy tied up in the full global circulation.
 
2012-12-17 06:04:56 PM  
Is the solar cycle already accounted for in graphs of temperature anomaly? Considering that the solar cycle was in a decline for most of the time that global temperatures had leveled off, wouldn't that mean that temperatures should have gone down instead of remaining flat if there was no other source of global warming?
 
2012-12-17 06:07:31 PM  
We're gonna die!

i651.photobucket.com

Wait, we're gonna freeze!

i651.photobucket.com

Help! How do graphs work?! 

i651.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 06:15:07 PM  

MarkEC: I was taking Nuclear Science my senior year when that happened. Our teacher showed us a newspaper article about people leaving the area and flying out of state. He showed us that those people who flew away got more radiation being in an airplane than if they had been standing naked outside the fence through the whole ordeal. Yeah, there was a lot of stupidity and panic when that happened.


To be fair, people weren't fleeing the area of TMI to avoid the radiation that was there. They were leaving the area so they could avoid the radiation that would be there if the situation became catastrophic.

I am mostly pro-nuclear-power, but the "radiation while flying away vs standing outside TMI" isn't a very good argument. Leaving that area at the time actually was a pretty reasonable decision.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190]

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


10/10, apparently.
 
2012-12-17 06:20:36 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

You sound young.


Nuclear power plants are too expensive and take too long to construct.

Good example is the Bay City Reactor 80 miles from my home town. Looked pretty good at $1.2 billion, but by the time they got it built, it was something like 3 years late and $6.5 billion. It will take 30 years to pay the white elephant off so we are stuck with expensive electricity for all that time, but if we let it go belly up, it will take several banks down with it, so we are screwed either way.
 
2012-12-17 06:30:49 PM  
Ooh, a charts and graphs thread!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 06:32:25 PM  

olddinosaur: StoPPeRmobile: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

You sound young.

Nuclear power plants are too expensive and take too long to construct.

Good example is the Bay City Reactor 80 miles from my home town. Looked pretty good at $1.2 billion, but by the time they got it built, it was something like 3 years late and $6.5 billion. It will take 30 years to pay the white elephant off so we are stuck with expensive electricity for all that time, but if we let it go belly up, it will take several banks down with it, so we are screwed either way.


Just wait till they have to decommission it. That's really expensive part.

///Probably will happen before the construction debt is paid off...
 
2012-12-17 06:32:40 PM  
Sweet! One less thing to worry about.
 
2012-12-17 06:39:42 PM  

chuckufarlie: brantgoose: I don't suppose five years of recession could have anything to do with the so-called stall.

But to correct the factual errors and false impressions given by the article I would like to point out:

* The "stall" is only a stall relative to one year, 1998, which was the hottest year on record. Seeing as super-hot record years tend to be scattered more or less randomly through history, this is neither surprising nor significant. What is significant is that ALL of the last 330 months are above the average and the base line, which is a running average that is adjusted every 15 years, has risen.

* The climatologists predicted a period of cooling would begin in 2009. It did. They based this on known climate cycles. These are separate from the general warming trend predicted by climatologists based on increasing GHG in the atmosphere. Also, they tend to be fairly large swings so they swamp the still small increases of year to year warmth.

The article gives the impressions that scientists are being disingenuous if not dishonest, but they aren't. On the contrary, they have been frank about what they do and do not know and were actually ahead of the denialists in predicting this cooling period.

When the economies of North America and Europe recover from the recession, they will resume pumping GHG. Meanwhile, the economies of China and India have slumped slightly. Since China is now the number one producer of GHG and pollution (aerosols that create a brown haze of smog that is visible from space), and since the US and India are next, we can expect moderate growth in the mean global temperature from anthropogenic sources for a while longer.

There may also be natural factors at play, seeing as the IPCC report and climatologists acknowledge the existence of natural forcing agents both pro- and anti- warming.

The climatologists have been totally frank and honest in their statements about these and other mysteries or fluctuations of climate change.

Mistaking a gli ...


Missing the point of NOW!, do it NOW!.
PROFIT and Redistribution of Entitlements.
The con is "Gimme that money NOW!"

The hucksters are really not willing to wait for the couple of centuries of meticulous data gathering and observation that is prerequisite.
 
2012-12-17 06:40:30 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ooh, a charts and graphs thread!

[i.imgur.com image 500x500]


keencityproductions.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-17 06:51:18 PM  

mark12A: I still think there are temperature regulating feedbacks that counter CO2 buildups. Like increased cloud formation reducing solar inputs. I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants than find out first hand how well these temp regulators work. Hydrocarbons are too valuable to burn. I'd rather we use them for chemical feedstocks for plastics and such.


Regardless of what I have you Farkied as, I can't find any fault with this statement.
 
2012-12-17 06:52:40 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190] Graph of Climate Change vs. Year


According to this X-axis, Jesus's birth was correlated with a strong downturn in temperature. Mary was a frigid biatch. I'll give you a hint "virgin birth" wasn't God's idea.

Also wordvomitfromthepostgraduatedotcom.files.wordpress.com didn't know pirates were still a thing too.
 
2012-12-17 06:55:24 PM  

Rufus Lee King: [i1041.photobucket.com image 437x425]


WAT
 
2012-12-17 07:03:53 PM  
Aren't they moving here?
 
2012-12-17 07:04:16 PM  

brantgoose: The All-Powerful Atheismo: [faculty.eicc.edu image 309x190]

Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS

There are no labels on that graph. Without labels, a graph is nothing but a couple of lines and a bunch of meaningless numbers.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-12-17 07:08:05 PM  
Geezus you guys are stooped.
It's not actual Pirates, it's pirate flatulence that casued globo worming.
Just like in 1920 when Nashunul Geodoseic document the northern passage open, Polur bars drowning because there was no ice, and stuff like that.

So there. Shut up.

The dynosores forted themsalved to deph.
 
2012-12-17 07:25:01 PM  
.
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-12-17 07:27:36 PM  
Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS


What, did you draw this using your phone?
You can not graph climate change as it references dozens of different factors. Are you supposedly referencing temperature change per year? Amount of ice melting? Frequency of occurrences of outlying temperatures more than 2 sigma above the average in Paris? All of these are climate change indicators. I think what we actually saw was a made up graph created and posted by a moron.

As I mentioned earlier, heat has been going into melting the ice caps rather than heating the air. Once they are gone we will see the air temperatures continue to rise. Here is what the National Snow and Ice Data Center has to say.
 
2012-12-17 07:43:38 PM  

thecpt: StoPPeRmobile: thecpt: mark12A: . I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants

why is our nation so against this? Like, we're really really against it.

You sound young.

i am..., I love reading about the history of nuclear power, so I'm afforded the luxury of reading it with 20/20 hindsight and none of that fear mongering that happened during disasters. I'm fairly certain most Americans don't know that TMI has never accounted for a single death.


A lot of people will need to pass on before the attitude changes, IMHO.
 
2012-12-17 07:46:49 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ooh, a charts and graphs thread!

[i.imgur.com image 500x500]


i.imgur.com

Why have I not seen this before?

/back spasm
 
2012-12-17 08:02:53 PM  

NotARocketScientist: Graph of Climate Change vs. Year

DEAL WITH IT LIBTARDOS

What, did you draw this using your phone?
You can not graph climate change as it references dozens of different factors. Are you supposedly referencing temperature change per year? Amount of ice melting? Frequency of occurrences of outlying temperatures more than 2 sigma above the average in Paris? All of these are climate change indicators. I think what we actually saw was a made up graph created and posted by a moron.

As I mentioned earlier, heat has been going into melting the ice caps rather than heating the air. Once they are gone we will see the air temperatures continue to rise. Here is what the National Snow and Ice Data Center has to say.


Is this some kind of reverse troll?

It's like a troll double-axel
 
2012-12-17 08:20:26 PM  
Can't believe nobody has posted this yet:

www.venganza.org
 
2012-12-17 08:34:17 PM  

Slam1263: Yeah Nukes!!

Not just for turning our enemys into vapor anymore.

The whole Church of AGW must be agog, much like those other zealots that predicted a Rapture not yet to be.

Gee, what happens when you predict global devistation, and it doesn't occur? Beside smelling scorched careers.

Here we are, with well over 100 years of fuel left, now is the time for rational planning. But lets leave the governmet out of the loop, they'd screw it up.



You know, I really try not to make fun of other people's tenuous grasp of science, but this combination of stupidity and smugness is really hard to pass up. 

Please, do go on.
 
2012-12-17 08:42:35 PM  

Aramis21: Can't believe nobody has posted this yet:

[www.venganza.org image 600x400]


I have an unrelated but just as important graph: 

i303.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 08:45:46 PM  
As a sustainability advocate, allow me to say: This is a good thing! Rooting for the world to be trashed so we can be proven right is a stupid goddamn attitude. The entire purpose of taking action is to make a positive impact.
 
2012-12-17 08:47:40 PM  

snocone: Missing the point of NOW!, do it NOW!.
PROFIT and Redistribution of Entitlements.
The con is "Gimme that money NOW!"

The hucksters are really not willing to wait for the couple of centuries of meticulous data gathering and observation that is prerequisite.

 

Right. Because waiting a couple of centuries before we do anything to halt this "debatable" climate change thing is perfectly safe. Nothing bad is going to happen due to our inaction during that time.
 
2012-12-17 09:00:51 PM  

ciberido: Right. Because waiting a couple of centuries before we do anything to halt this "debatable" climate change thing is perfectly safe. Nothing bad is going to happen due to our inaction during that time.


I agree, but I prefer a different action. We (aka the USA) need to develop a means to geoengineer the Earth's atmosphere, so we can exert some control on the balance of gases that compose it. If we don't, someone else will, and they might not have even the US's forbearance (Google search "China threatens release of potent greenhouse gases" for an example from two years ago what our nearest competitor might decide to do).

/or we will find out the hard way what happens when someone else gets to be the superpower
//and it won't be what you or I want to believe
 
2012-12-17 10:08:49 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Ooh, a charts and graphs thread!

[i.imgur.com image 500x500]

[i.imgur.com image 500x500]

Why have I not seen this before?

/back spasm


Cuz I stole it from this new site called Red Dot or something
 
2012-12-17 10:31:47 PM  
I don't care it's cold outside.
 
2012-12-17 10:55:02 PM  
No! We need to save the pirates!

www.200yearstoolate.com

Fark climate change!
 
2012-12-18 12:01:52 AM  

ciberido: snocone: Missing the point of NOW!, do it NOW!.
PROFIT and Redistribution of Entitlements.
The con is "Gimme that money NOW!"

The hucksters are really not willing to wait for the couple of centuries of meticulous data gathering and observation that is prerequisite. 

Right. Because waiting a couple of centuries before we do anything to halt this "debatable" climate change thing is perfectly safe. Nothing bad is going to happen due to our inaction during that time.


"Halt"
That word. It does not mean what you think it means in this instance.
Go on, Francis, let's see some halting.
 
2012-12-18 01:06:26 AM  

jst3p: Aramis21: Can't believe nobody has posted this yet:

[www.venganza.org image 600x400]

I have an unrelated but just as important graph: 

[i303.photobucket.com image 500x400]


i303.photobucket.com

farking Africa.
 
2012-12-18 05:26:42 AM  
What does an article on global warming have to do with piracy?
 
2012-12-18 08:21:55 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: What does an article on global warming have to do with piracy?


>Peaks at Profile.
>Tennesseeian. Furry.

pictures.mastermarf.com

Sir, do you have a moment to talk about Flying Spagetti Monster? Sir? Eternal salvation in a paradise of Stripper Factories and Beer Volcanos awaits you, if you only accept it as your lord and savior. Let yourself be touched by his noodly appendage.

It's a satirical statement based on the use of misleading charts and graphs that are common to creationist and anti-global warming groups to try to promote their world views.
 
2012-12-18 09:21:52 AM  

Hickory-smoked: mark12A: I still think there are temperature regulating feedbacks that counter CO2 buildups. Like increased cloud formation reducing solar inputs. I'd rather we start building lots of nuclear power plants than find out first hand how well these temp regulators work. Hydrocarbons are too valuable to burn. I'd rather we use them for chemical feedstocks for plastics and such.

Regardless of what I have you Farkied as, I can't find any fault with this statement.


You aren't trying very hard. Clouds act as an insulating blanket, retaining heat within the earth's atmosphere. Solar radiation passes through the clouds, warming the earth, which gives off heat, which is reflected back to earth by the clouds*. Increased cloud cover means increased heat retention.

*this is why temps generally drop more on a clear night than on a cloudy night.
 
2012-12-18 11:44:45 AM  

BronyMedic: It's a satirical statement based on the use of misleading charts and graphs that are common to creationist and anti-global warming groups to try to promote their world views.


Got that, thanx! I hadn't heard that particular "satirical statement" before, so I had no idea.
 
2012-12-20 01:46:47 PM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: BronyMedic: It's a satirical statement based on the use of misleading charts and graphs that are common to creationist and anti-global warming groups to try to promote their world views.

Got that, thanx! I hadn't heard that particular "satirical statement" before, so I had no idea.


Actually a double pump, FTA graph would indicate the reverse, but see, it was reversed for fun.
 
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