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(Chicago Sun-Times)   "I was just bluffing," says man with 47 guns who said he was going to shoot up a school. Notice the lack of laughter and amusement from your antics, sir   ( suntimes.com) divider line
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2012-12-17 02:35:33 PM  
2 votes:

Kuroshin: "Military Style" and "suddenly"?

So your gripe is with aesthetics?



I was being ironic.

My gripe is with people who have zero grasp of firearms history, technology, or usage thinking that my rights should be legislated away based on nothing but their own fearful ignorance.
2012-12-17 01:32:15 PM  
2 votes:
Also, the more information that comes out, the more the guy morphs into this in my head:

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2012-12-17 01:28:48 PM  
2 votes:

D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


If someone had 47 Camaros or Mustangs, you'd hopefully be asking the same question. Collectors will be collectors. However collectors of firearms owe it to themselves, their families, and to the community to keep the weapons they aren't using for home defense locked in a safe and most importantly don't go around bragging about their arsenal or making idle threats.
2012-12-17 01:19:14 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore


Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.
2012-12-17 01:12:25 PM  
2 votes:

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.


your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore
2012-12-17 12:18:18 PM  
2 votes:
This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.
2012-12-17 12:07:14 PM  
2 votes:
"If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.
2012-12-17 07:14:18 PM  
1 vote:

Pincy: Sorry, I can't comment on this until I know the exact make and model of each of his 47 guns.


this
And just because they have been called "antique collectibles" doesn't mean they are 16th century muzzle loaders.
A Viet Nam era M-16 fully automatic is an antique and quite collectable
2012-12-17 07:03:24 PM  
1 vote:
Bluffing is not joking. Bluffing is weaponized uncertainty. Is it a form of terrorism and should be punished as such.

However conspiracy to commit violence and intentionally empty threats to commit violence are two different crimes. They are both crimes to be sure but one is a 20-40 years in prison type and the other is the 0-5 years in prison type. Applying a blanket punishment to both is willful ignorance.
2012-12-17 03:01:36 PM  
1 vote:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.


You've never seen a speed loader, have you?

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2012-12-17 02:38:29 PM  
1 vote:
Johnny Ringo: My fight's not with you, Holliday.
Doc Holliday: I beg to differ, sir. We started a game we never got to finish. "Play for Blood," remember?
Johnny Ringo: Oh that. I was just foolin' about.
Doc Holliday: I wasn't.
2012-12-17 02:36:41 PM  
1 vote:

iaazathot: snocone: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.

Nobody is going to take your penis away. Obama will not engage in this debate right now. He isn't a Republican and it isn't birth control.


The "P" word?
My word, what a suprise.
You favor males so much you forget about female Gun Nutz?
2012-12-17 02:32:01 PM  
1 vote:

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
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Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


The funny part is that military technology often far lagged behind what civilians used.
We had Kentucky rifles in the day of the Brown Bess, lever action guns when civil war soldiers had muzzle loaders, garands and Thompsons in the era of bolt action mausers.
It's a trend that would have continued, if not for the NFA and those damn union busting politicians.

/altho it still happens, somewhat.
/5x7 and bullpups being targeted at civilian markets, to help get a foot in the door for military sales.
/a lot of high end optics are being bought with private money too.
2012-12-17 02:18:26 PM  
1 vote:

vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.


More like if I take a sports car and change out the high performance V-12 or V-8 engine, strip out the turbo and the other performance enhancements, and substitute in a nice, fuel efficient economical V-4. Sure it's still a car, it looks the part of a powerful vehicle, but...I wouldn't take the downsized engined car out for a spin at LeMans.

That said, any rifle of 5.56 mm, whether it's a lever action with an 8 round internal magazine, 10 round magazine bolt action, 10 round magazine semiauto, or 30 round magazine semiauto is going to be capable of shooting someone stone cold dead out to 300 meters (or more if I have a scope) and odds are I'm not going to have to shoot twice, but I can easily with any of these weapons and at a rate of fire that is similar--assuming I'm taking the time to aim of course.
2012-12-17 02:16:52 PM  
1 vote:

Marcintosh: Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


There are many Muslims in the world. It is a major religion. Some of them kill people, does this mean all Muslims are bad? Does it mean the religion should be banned?

Not everyone who owns a gun is planning to shoot up a school. They don't own them out of fear. Speaking as an Iowan, you have at most one degree of seperation from a gun. Either you own one or know someone who does. We collect them, we pass them on as heirlooms, we hunt with them. They are the equivalent of a painting on the wall, a tool in the shed or something akin to a soccer ball. We grew up with them, they are not scary.

Preppers, and the like are the exception to the rule. The extremest. The people who actually do shoot up a school or even a single other person have something more wrong with them than owning a gun. If a person has made up their mind to rampage, they will find a way to do it.
2012-12-17 02:07:04 PM  
1 vote:
The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
www.militaryfactory.com
www.dougwilson.com
www.uberti.com
www.uberti.com
1-22infantry.org
images2.wikia.nocookie.net 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.
2012-12-17 02:01:17 PM  
1 vote:

Marcintosh: No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


What's wrong with trying to avoid storing oily rags next to the water heater and buying a fire extinguisher?
2012-12-17 01:57:37 PM  
1 vote:
Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.
2012-12-17 01:51:48 PM  
1 vote:

vpb: That's amusing. I suspect Eugene Stoner would be surprised to learn that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.


If so, then Eugene Stoner doesn't know what an assault rifle is. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic version of the M-16, which is an assault rifle. Being capable of automatic fire is part of the definition of an assault rifle...the AR-15 has had this capability removed.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:46:20 PM  
1 vote:

Kimpak: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

No, but calling every rifle in a collection an 'assault' weapon is misleading. Some people collect stamps, some people collect guns. Every hunting rifle, or trap shooting rifle is not an 'assault' weapon. its not its intended use. Just like all the knives in my kitchen aren't assault knives, or my sports closet doesn't contain assault baseball bats.


That's why no one does.
2012-12-17 01:43:22 PM  
1 vote:

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

My

free society, that considers checking someone isn't a danger to themselves or others before you let them own a gun (and every now and then once they own it) a perfectly normal and sensible thing to do, frowns on your shenanigans.
2012-12-17 01:38:49 PM  
1 vote:
Still a threat, even if you were "bluffing".
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:38:02 PM  
1 vote:

hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.


So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.
2012-12-17 01:37:55 PM  
1 vote:

snocone: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

They don't exist in this story.
Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.
At least this shooter knew how to clear it, a necessary skill if you use the thing.


Pretty much a worthless gun for everything but clearing a room of kindergartners.
2012-12-17 01:37:49 PM  
1 vote:
Fact appears to be, it was a .223 Bushmaster, a carbine.
$5-700.
Still jams too much w/ light loads 

What carbine used to mean: The carbine was originally a lighter, shortened weapon developed for the cavalry. Carbines were short enough to be loaded and fired from horseback but this was rarely done - a moving horse is a very unsteady platform, and once halted a soldier can load and fire more easily if dismounted, which also makes him a smaller target. The principal advantage of the carbine's length was portability. Troops could carry full length muskets comfortably enough on horseback if just riding from A to B (the practice of the original dragoons and later mounted infantry). Cavalry proper (a 'Regiment of Horse') had to ride with some agility and engage in sword-wielding melees with opposing cavalry so carrying anything long would be a dangerous encumberance. A carbine was typically no longer than a sheathed sabre, both arranged to hang with their tops clear of the rider's elbows and bottoms clear of the horse's legs.

Welcome to the 21st century.

What carbine means now: The smaller size and lighter weight of carbines makes them easier to handle in close-quarter situations such as urban or jungle warfare, or when deploying from military vehicles. The disadvantages of carbines relative to rifles include inferior long-range accuracy and a shorter effective range. Larger than a submachine gun, they are harder to maneuver in tight encounters where superior range and stopping power at distance are not great considerations. Firing the same ammunition as rifles gives carbines the advantage of standardization over those personal defense weapons (PDWs) that require proprietary cartridges.

Carbines are issued to high-mobility troops such as special-operations soldiers and paratroopers, as well as to mounted, supply, or other non-infantry personnel whose roles do not require full-sized rifles.

The more you know.

Your amateurish attempts to define and keep up with the technology of weaponry is always doomed when you spout from behind the imaginary security blanket of legislation.

Guns exist. Deal with it by study, practice, dicipline. Not fear.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:32:27 PM  
1 vote:

Sultan Of Herf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.

Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.


Yes, look up the part about a "well regulated militia". Apparently "militia" means anyone and "well regulated" means unregulated.
2012-12-17 01:30:14 PM  
1 vote:

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


No, but calling every rifle in a collection an 'assault' weapon is misleading. Some people collect stamps, some people collect guns. Every hunting rifle, or trap shooting rifle is not an 'assault' weapon. its not its intended use. Just like all the knives in my kitchen aren't assault knives, or my sports closet doesn't contain assault baseball bats.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:29:28 PM  
1 vote:

snocone: skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore

Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.


Well, what do you suggest we do about people like you? There are too many of you to lock up.
2012-12-17 01:28:58 PM  
1 vote:

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


Before you can ban or control anything at the Federal level some definitions must be made solid. A single clear, final definition.

Things that need definition by the Federal govt in relation to firearms:

1) assault weapon
2) automatic weapon
3) high capacity magazine

That should be a start...

...and no we dont care what you Farkers define those as, your not the Federal govt.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:21:10 PM  
1 vote:

snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.


Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?
2012-12-17 01:18:51 PM  
1 vote:

Sleeping Monkey: Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.


FTA; Although police found 47 guns and ammunition, Smith said most of those weapons were antique collector guns

So, fabricating inflammatory 'facts' to muddy the discussion then. Joy. Would you prefer to be under the 'troll' or the 'ignore' list?
2012-12-17 01:10:43 PM  
1 vote:

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.
2012-12-17 01:07:01 PM  
1 vote:
Stipulating that this guy is an epic jerk who should be locked up:

1. Weren't most of those 47 antiques?
2. If (1), then isn't the "47 guns" headline sensationalist garbage that distorts the real situation?
2012-12-17 01:04:10 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice


The police police police the police.
2012-12-17 01:01:01 PM  
1 vote:
I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.
2012-12-17 12:59:55 PM  
1 vote:
Wait, so you mean this WASN'T a shadowy conspiracy or a thing he never said?!?!

He ACTUALLY said that?!

This is my shocked face. Really. I'm truly shocked. Surely those from the other thread claiming it MUST be a conspiracy will appear in this one to offer their apologies.
2012-12-17 12:06:39 PM  
1 vote:
Did he have an .88 Magnum?
2012-12-17 11:58:45 AM  
1 vote:
People just have no sense of humor about this whole thing.
 
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