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(Chicago Sun-Times)   "I was just bluffing," says man with 47 guns who said he was going to shoot up a school. Notice the lack of laughter and amusement from your antics, sir   (suntimes.com) divider line 187
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2012-12-17 02:01:17 PM  

Marcintosh: No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


What's wrong with trying to avoid storing oily rags next to the water heater and buying a fire extinguisher?
 
2012-12-17 02:02:08 PM  

snocone: An assault weapon is any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms using an intermediate cartridge.[1] In the United States, there is a variety of statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws that define them by a set of characteristics they possess. Using lists of physical features or specific firearms in defining assault weapons in the U.S. was first codified by the language of the now-expired 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3] A common usage is to interchange the term with assault rifle, but unlike that term, "assault weapon" has no consistent or specific definition and so is subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, especially favored by gun grabbers promoting their agenda.


Yes well if we just outlawed any gun that could take an external magazine, required gun owners to turn those types of fire arms in, and required those guns with an internal magazine to allow no more then two rounds at a time to be loaded into the firearm we would not be worrying about assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

/Yes two shots that is all you get.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:13 PM  
jesus h farking christ, what the hell is wrong with people?
 
2012-12-17 02:03:25 PM  

hdhale: See, that's a yellow flag to me as well. Someone wants to collect 100 rifles in various calibers and 200 pistols to match, I have to wonder what else to have to spend money on, but fine. Just be responsible about it. If your level of paranoia has gotten to the point that you must scatter parts of your collection through the house "just in case" and they are easily accessible (I can see where someone might want to have multiple gun safes in multiple locations, btw), might be time to schedule that therapy appointment.


Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:36 PM  
Just pointing out... Antique/Collector weapons are not necessarily blackpowder muskets.

I own/handled weapons a hundred years old, and they work just fine to hit what is being aimed at. Weapons from WWI, even WWII, can be considered "antiques", and a person can do quite a lot of damage with an M1 Garand, M1A1 Carbine, Colt .45 ACP, Enfield, Mauser, Lebel, Winchester, etc..

Antique is a meaningless term with regard to damage a weapon can do, or even ease of operation, capability, etc..
 
2012-12-17 02:04:43 PM  
47 Guns!? You know I bet he had 47 AK-47's.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:49 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: hdhale: See, that's a yellow flag to me as well. Someone wants to collect 100 rifles in various calibers and 200 pistols to match, I have to wonder what else to have to spend money on, but fine. Just be responsible about it. If your level of paranoia has gotten to the point that you must scatter parts of your collection through the house "just in case" and they are easily accessible (I can see where someone might want to have multiple gun safes in multiple locations, btw), might be time to schedule that therapy appointment.

Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.


I'm sure it is step two or three in the how to deal with random armed home invaders handbook.
 
2012-12-17 02:07:04 PM  
The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
www.militaryfactory.com
www.dougwilson.com
www.uberti.com
www.uberti.com
1-22infantry.org
images2.wikia.nocookie.net 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.
 
2012-12-17 02:07:18 PM  

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.
I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.


So you'll be free to leave, then.
 
2012-12-17 02:08:25 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.


Since it shows up in just about every action flick where the action-packed badass's home is featured, it's really quite stale.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:26 PM  
D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.
 
2012-12-17 02:13:23 PM  

snocone: Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap


The cheapest, nastiest ARs I've seen are around $800. Typical prices are in the $1200 - $1800 range. Hardly cheap, when you can get a decent bolt-action rifle for under $400 or an SKS for $350.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:52 PM  

Marcintosh: Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


There are many Muslims in the world. It is a major religion. Some of them kill people, does this mean all Muslims are bad? Does it mean the religion should be banned?

Not everyone who owns a gun is planning to shoot up a school. They don't own them out of fear. Speaking as an Iowan, you have at most one degree of seperation from a gun. Either you own one or know someone who does. We collect them, we pass them on as heirlooms, we hunt with them. They are the equivalent of a painting on the wall, a tool in the shed or something akin to a soccer ball. We grew up with them, they are not scary.

Preppers, and the like are the exception to the rule. The extremest. The people who actually do shoot up a school or even a single other person have something more wrong with them than owning a gun. If a person has made up their mind to rampage, they will find a way to do it.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:59 PM  
police found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout Meyer's two-story home after they arrested him,

Hidden, how, exactly. There's a difference between having guns in cabinets or gun bags, and having them taped underneath every flat surface, and hanging on nails under curtains.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:01 PM  
But, but, but....I was told by the tea party patriots that this was phase 2 in Obama's elaborate false flag conspiracy to take our freedom loving guns....
 
2012-12-17 02:18:26 PM  

vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.


More like if I take a sports car and change out the high performance V-12 or V-8 engine, strip out the turbo and the other performance enhancements, and substitute in a nice, fuel efficient economical V-4. Sure it's still a car, it looks the part of a powerful vehicle, but...I wouldn't take the downsized engined car out for a spin at LeMans.

That said, any rifle of 5.56 mm, whether it's a lever action with an 8 round internal magazine, 10 round magazine bolt action, 10 round magazine semiauto, or 30 round magazine semiauto is going to be capable of shooting someone stone cold dead out to 300 meters (or more if I have a scope) and odds are I'm not going to have to shoot twice, but I can easily with any of these weapons and at a rate of fire that is similar--assuming I'm taking the time to aim of course.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:34 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: If it were me I'd choose an M-14 and a .45


I approve of your selection.

I currently own 2 Garand-action rifles (Mini-30 and CMP M-1). An M-1A national match and possibly a mini-14 are in my future. Garand > AR.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:40 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I could see a guy saying this...a person of low intellect, who in a fit of anger says the most horrible thing he can think of at the moment, this being a school shooting, as it was fresh in his mind. Yes, he's an asshole for saying it, but it's doubtful if he was really going to do it. If he had plans to do that, he would have just done it.


I SAID THAT YESTERDAY!!!

Goddamn, I've really got to make up with Apollo.
 
2012-12-17 02:26:56 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
[www.militaryfactory.com image 800x550]
[www.dougwilson.com image 730x129]
[www.uberti.com image 850x191]
[www.uberti.com image 850x199]
[1-22infantry.org image 850x159]
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 639x136] 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


"Military Style" and "suddenly"?

So your gripe is with aesthetics?

And there's nothing sudden about it. Even before the "assault weapons" ban of the '90s, semi-auto "cool looking" rifles were popular.

I've got a Remington .30-06 that's far deadlier than any AR-15 at every range. It is also capable of holding as many rounds as you can find a magazine to carry. However, it's not considered an "assault weapon" because it doesn't look all Military. It's classified as a "hunting rifle" because it's got a classic design, even though it fires a tremendously nasty round, can hold in excess of 15 rounds, and fires as fast as you can pull the trigger without any fear of jamming.

You listed an M1A in your pictures, and I defy you to prove that it isn't a fantastic all-purpose sporting rifle. We've got three in the family, and it was the first proper rifle I ever fired. Yeah, they're heavy as balls, but kept in good order they are reliable, sturdy, and useful for taking down deer, elk, and even bear if the need should arise. Just because "they wook scawwwy" does not change their quality for sporting purposes.

/my 1911 is a far better weapon for short-range killing than any AR-15
//but no, go ahead, get all het up about the scary little pea shooter
 
2012-12-17 02:28:43 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice


He really likes the Police?
 
2012-12-17 02:29:28 PM  
Sorry, not an M1A. I scrolled past too fast while on the toilet. My bad. I stand by my statement that it's a fine rifle, but apologize for directing that specific ire in your direction.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:01 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
[www.militaryfactory.com image 800x550]
[www.dougwilson.com image 730x129]
[www.uberti.com image 850x191]
[www.uberti.com image 850x199]
[1-22infantry.org image 850x159]
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 639x136] 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


The funny part is that military technology often far lagged behind what civilians used.
We had Kentucky rifles in the day of the Brown Bess, lever action guns when civil war soldiers had muzzle loaders, garands and Thompsons in the era of bolt action mausers.
It's a trend that would have continued, if not for the NFA and those damn union busting politicians.

/altho it still happens, somewhat.
/5x7 and bullpups being targeted at civilian markets, to help get a foot in the door for military sales.
/a lot of high end optics are being bought with private money too.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:12 PM  

snocone: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.


Nobody is going to take your penis away. Obama will not engage in this debate right now. He isn't a Republican and it isn't birth control.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:07 PM  

Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.


That could have been me. I'm somewhere in the mid 30s on my collection, limited more by disposable income than desire.

A number of them are heirlooms, going on 5 generations in my family. Some are for hunting, some are for plinking, a couple are for carry, and a couple could be used for defense in a larger scale scenario (though I really just hunt and plink with them).

Of course it's way more than I need. But what does need have to do with anything? I'm no more dangerous with 30 than with 1 - I've only got two hands.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:40 PM  

Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.


"Detectives say there were so many weapons inside the house, that they had to step over or walk around the guns to get to more guns. "This is pretty rare. "
obscure
 
2012-12-17 02:34:30 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I called this yesterday, his old lady got fed up with his crap and called the cops.

If every wild threat were taken seriously, there would be an entire division of the FBI just following up on Fark politics tab posts.


I think "normal" people don't threaten to kill as many people, including school children, as possible. Sure you might threaten to divorce your wife or hook up with someone else or maybe even run off with the kids, but threatening to massacre a school is something that should be looked into.
 
2012-12-17 02:35:33 PM  

Kuroshin: "Military Style" and "suddenly"?

So your gripe is with aesthetics?



I was being ironic.

My gripe is with people who have zero grasp of firearms history, technology, or usage thinking that my rights should be legislated away based on nothing but their own fearful ignorance.
 
2012-12-17 02:36:41 PM  

iaazathot: snocone: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.

Nobody is going to take your penis away. Obama will not engage in this debate right now. He isn't a Republican and it isn't birth control.


The "P" word?
My word, what a suprise.
You favor males so much you forget about female Gun Nutz?
 
2012-12-17 02:38:29 PM  
Johnny Ringo: My fight's not with you, Holliday.
Doc Holliday: I beg to differ, sir. We started a game we never got to finish. "Play for Blood," remember?
Johnny Ringo: Oh that. I was just foolin' about.
Doc Holliday: I wasn't.
 
2012-12-17 02:44:36 PM  
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It was a goof!!
 
2012-12-17 02:47:38 PM  

Kimpak: Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.


Not as accurately, I'll bet.

The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.
 
2012-12-17 02:48:19 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Yes well if we just outlawed any gun that could take an external magazine, required gun owners to turn those types of fire arms in, and required those guns with an internal magazine to allow no more then two rounds at a time to be loaded into the firearm we would not be worrying about assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

/Yes two shots that is all you get.


That's a great idea!

Just be sure to buy a illegal gun on the black market. You know, to turn over to the SWAT team when they come to search your house for the illegal guns that an anonymous tipster says you have.

Because they're not going to believe you when you say you don't have one.

They're not going to believe you the next week, either.

Don't own anything expensive. SWAT teams are enthusiastic, and those nefarious illegal more-than-two-shot gun nuts like to hide them in places that already have metal in them so metal detectors won't know the difference. That's why they have to open up your computer, HD-TV, car, appliances... you know, all those places the anonymous tipster saw you opening up side panels to hide your guns.
 
2012-12-17 02:54:02 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Kimpak: Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.

Not as accurately, I'll bet.

The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.


You'd be surprised how quickly someone can reload. True it takes some practice. But especially in the case of, lets say a handgun, ejecting a mag and inserting a new one is a matter of a second or two. I haven't timed myself but if I had do I'd say I could load my 12ga shotgun with 5 shells in a matter of a couple to a few seconds. But really to keep someone at bay I'd only need to get one in, and that would be a matter of a second assuming I have some sort of bandolier for easy reach.
 
2012-12-17 03:01:36 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.


You've never seen a speed loader, have you?

hellinahandbasket.net

hellinahandbasket.net
 
2012-12-17 03:13:49 PM  
LOL Cedar Lake. The town that sucks so bad even my crappy nearby town made fun of it. They were our Shelbyville.
 
2012-12-17 03:15:39 PM  

snocone: Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.


I suppose I can't fault a man thorough enough to check both sides of his colon.
 
2012-12-17 03:19:22 PM  
Doesn't matter. He *did* make terroristic threats. Make an example out of him
 
2012-12-17 03:20:42 PM  

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


Don't you know that the British may try to invade again at any time?
 
2012-12-17 03:26:37 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice

The police police police the police.


who will police the police?
dunno, coast guard?
 
2012-12-17 03:33:49 PM  
Let's be honest about the police reaction.

Call about "This guy says he's going to shoot up a school"

Check.

He has 47 guns. He looks crazy. Someone else just did it yesterday. He has a clearly reasonable motive by the standards of what usually sends criminals around the bend.

No freaking surprise they immediately grab him. Oh, and my opinion is - if you commit assault with a deadly weapon (Threatening to murder someone with a gun), then, yes, you DO deserve to lose your guns. They're not just toys or collectibles. If you can't treat them with the respect they need...tough. Have some string to play with.
 
2012-12-17 03:36:13 PM  
Headline fail. He said "He was just bluffing" not "he was just joking". Laughter is not the expected outcome of bluffing.

Signed,

Buzz Killington
 
2012-12-17 03:47:59 PM  

JesseL: You've never seen a speed loader, have you?



Still less practical. You can drop and replace a 12 round mag into your pistol almost instantly. Quick reload on a 5 or 6 shot takes much longer comparatively. Youre also carrying around a bunch of little rolls as opposed to straight magazines if you've pre-rolled them, which is less than ideal storage wise.
 
2012-12-17 03:49:55 PM  
i249.photobucket.com

Knew the guy was bluffing.


/really, it took this long?
 
2012-12-17 03:53:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 03:55:50 PM  
A credible threat is a credible threat, and that's probable cause for an investigation right there; it turned out that the threat wasn't credible, but it took an investigation to figure that out. No free-speech issue there.

Being a jerk is not a crime, but even most jerks have enough sense to figure out the biggest "not today" points, of which this certainly was one. This incident lies well beyond the norm, even for a truly epic jerk, and that is cause for a mental health screening (which might well turn up nothing at all, in which case we'll have to invent a new adjective for just how much of a jerk he is). This is also not a free-speech issue.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:45 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 04:03:20 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
[www.militaryfactory.com image 800x550]
[www.dougwilson.com image 730x129]
[www.uberti.com image 850x191]
[www.uberti.com image 850x199]
[1-22infantry.org image 850x159]
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 639x136] 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


One small quibble: The 1860 Herny was never formally adopted by the Union Army. Some soldiers bought their own, and provided their own ammunition.
 
2012-12-17 04:07:09 PM  

D_Evans45: JesseL: You've never seen a speed loader, have you?


Still less practical. You can drop and replace a 12 round mag into your pistol almost instantly. Quick reload on a 5 or 6 shot takes much longer comparatively. Youre also carrying around a bunch of little rolls as opposed to straight magazines if you've pre-rolled them, which is less than ideal storage wise.


Are you a shooter who has ever tried it? Or are you just another farker talking out of his ass?

The difference isn't as big as you might think assume.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:15 PM  

give me doughnuts: One small quibble: The 1860 Herny was never formally adopted by the Union Army. Some soldiers bought their own, and provided their own ammunition.


shiat, you're right.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:41 PM  

mizchief: Whats' dumb about the assault weapons ban, is that people who support it go after the AR-15 which is a .233 which is based off the standard 5.56mm NATO round specifically designed for wounding vs. killing in order to take out one commandant along with 2 buddies needed to carry him out.


Urban legend.

The move to small caliber assault rifles (vs full power battle rifles like the M-1 and M-14) was prompted by analysis of real-world battle reports which showed that infantrymen seldom engaged targets beyond 200-300 meters except for covering fire - targets beyond that range would almost invariably be engaged with heavy weapons. A full power battle rifle is capable of providing aimed fire out to 800-1000 meters, and is therefore grossly over-powered for the way infantrymen actually use their rifles. By moving to a much smaller caliber that has a maximum effective range of 300m vs 1000m, the infantryman can carry a lighter rifle and more rounds of ammunition, freeing up carrying capacity for additional weapons and equipment.

Of course this doctrine breaks down when you move to a battlefield environment that is mostly open and has little cover (like Iraq and Afghanistan), and deploy the infantry units alone instead of as part of a tightly integrated combined arms unit (Again, as in the current conflicts). Hence the recent re-issue of the M-14 and the creation of the designated marksman role at the squad / fire team level.
 
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