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(Chicago Sun-Times)   "I was just bluffing," says man with 47 guns who said he was going to shoot up a school. Notice the lack of laughter and amusement from your antics, sir   (suntimes.com ) divider line
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2012-12-17 11:56:53 AM  
Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice
 
2012-12-17 11:58:45 AM  
People just have no sense of humor about this whole thing.
 
2012-12-17 12:06:39 PM  
Did he have an .88 Magnum?
 
2012-12-17 12:07:14 PM  
"If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.
 
2012-12-17 12:18:18 PM  
This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.
 
2012-12-17 12:25:10 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.


Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.
 
2012-12-17 12:28:00 PM  
An assault weapon is any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms using an intermediate cartridge.[1] In the United States, there is a variety of statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws that define them by a set of characteristics they possess. Using lists of physical features or specific firearms in defining assault weapons in the U.S. was first codified by the language of the now-expired 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3] A common usage is to interchange the term with assault rifle, but unlike that term, "assault weapon" has no consistent or specific definition and so is subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, especially favored by gun grabbers promoting their agenda.
 
2012-12-17 12:29:06 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.


That's why it'd be half left. If everyone was armed with assault weapons and all threats made in heated anger were followed through on there'd be 12 people left, and 3 cats. No dogs.
 
2012-12-17 12:34:59 PM  

snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]


Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again
 
2012-12-17 12:37:44 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again


So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.
 
2012-12-17 12:39:09 PM  
So, the police called his bluff. Too bad, slappy. Chalk it up to poor timing or something, yeah, poor timing.
 
2012-12-17 12:53:16 PM  
How is this a followup when it was in the original article?
 
2012-12-17 12:59:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again


Only if the compass is in the stock, and also has a thing that tells time.
 
2012-12-17 12:59:55 PM  
Wait, so you mean this WASN'T a shadowy conspiracy or a thing he never said?!?!

He ACTUALLY said that?!

This is my shocked face. Really. I'm truly shocked. Surely those from the other thread claiming it MUST be a conspiracy will appear in this one to offer their apologies.
 
2012-12-17 01:00:51 PM  
and now you'll be just catching

/in jail
 
2012-12-17 01:01:01 PM  
I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:25 PM  
Inbreeding is so, so sad.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:28 PM  
I could see a guy saying this...a person of low intellect, who in a fit of anger says the most horrible thing he can think of at the moment, this being a school shooting, as it was fresh in his mind. Yes, he's an asshole for saying it, but it's doubtful if he was really going to do it. If he had plans to do that, he would have just done it.
 
2012-12-17 01:02:31 PM  
He certainly is not a Vulcan
 
2012-12-17 01:03:08 PM  
47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?
 
2012-12-17 01:03:32 PM  
Can't you still go to prison for even joking that you plan a murder?
 
2012-12-17 01:03:57 PM  
"I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged."
They are both, like voting and can be taken away under the law for various things.

/next question
 
2012-12-17 01:04:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice


The police police police the police.
 
2012-12-17 01:04:17 PM  
Domestic violence leading to more violence? Hilarious! I bet his audience was in stitches!

Oh, wait, she was so fearful for her life that she called the police. Chalk it up to poor delivery!
 
2012-12-17 01:04:30 PM  
47 guns?! Try not to shoot anyone on the way to the parking lot.
 
2012-12-17 01:06:25 PM  
He only gets this way when he drinks. Nothing to worry about.:
 
2012-12-17 01:07:01 PM  
Stipulating that this guy is an epic jerk who should be locked up:

1. Weren't most of those 47 antiques?
2. If (1), then isn't the "47 guns" headline sensationalist garbage that distorts the real situation?
 
2012-12-17 01:07:09 PM  
47 AKs.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:11 PM  

WizardofToast: Can't you still go to prison for even joking that you plan a murder?


You are asking if the DA will consider his "defense" of it was a "joke".
Should leave it up to a jury.

Plus, this is pretty much identical to saying you have a bomb in your bag at an airport and he should spend a shiat ton of years in prison.

or death

jokes dont normally get reported to the police
 
2012-12-17 01:07:11 PM  

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


The plan was for the word to be obligation.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:23 PM  
I called this yesterday, his old lady got fed up with his crap and called the cops.

If every wild threat were taken seriously, there would be an entire division of the FBI just following up on Fark politics tab posts.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:28 PM  

namatad: WizardofToast: Can't you still go to prison for even joking that you plan a murder?

You are asking if the DA will consider his "defense" of it was a "joke".
Should leave it up to a jury.

Plus, this is pretty much identical to saying you have a bomb in your bag at an airport and he should spend a shiat ton of years in prison.

or death

jokes dont normally get reported to the police


Back the bus up, this is NEWS.
On TV.
Words from talking heads.
Use yours.
 
2012-12-17 01:08:30 PM  

D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


Well, if you assume an average window takes about 4 planks to board up, that leaves three cracks that need a barrel sticking out. Based on this, he must have at least 10 windows to defend.

www.imageenvision.com
 
2012-12-17 01:08:46 PM  

WizardofToast: Can't you still go to prison for even joking that you plan a murder?


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-17 01:09:02 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.


Depends on the state. I know in states that still have some form of the assault weapons ban from the 90's; bolt action was usually not considered an assault weapon and was exempt. So you could have a huge custom mag, folding stock, flash hider and such and it isn't an assault weapon. Some people are very fast with a bolt.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:09 PM  
Just take his guns and replace them with air rifles.
 
2012-12-17 01:09:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.


Several years ago I was standing in line to board a plane when a group of travelers came up. A few minutes later, another member of their group came up and was joking about how he would have been there sooner but he had a hard time getting the bomb through security. Everybody in the line jumped his ass abut making stupid comments like that. Fortunately everybody around who heard, knew he was joking so we didn't have to deal with an OMG he's got a bomb evacuation of the terminal.

On the other hand. After the rectal probe by TSA and the FBI I bet he wouldn't have made a joke like that again. But I sure as hell didn't want to be stuck in Phoenix any more than I had to.
 
2012-12-17 01:10:43 PM  

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.
 
2012-12-17 01:12:04 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Stipulating that this guy is an epic jerk who should be locked up:

1. Weren't most of those 47 antiques?
2. If (1), then isn't the "47 guns" headline sensationalist garbage that distorts the real situation?


FTA: "Although police found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout Meyer's two-story home after they arrested him, Smith said most of those weapons were antique collector guns and he believes Meyer was not serious about his school threat."

So yes and yes.
 
2012-12-17 01:12:25 PM  

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.


your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore
 
2012-12-17 01:13:57 PM  

snocone: An assault weapon is any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms using an intermediate cartridge.[1] In the United States, there is a variety of statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws that define them by a set of characteristics they possess. Using lists of physical features or specific firearms in defining assault weapons in the U.S. was first codified by the language of the now-expired 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3] A common usage is to interchange the term with assault rifle, but unlike that term, "assault weapon" has no consistent or specific definition and so is subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, especially favored by gun grabbers promoting their agenda.


I like how you latch on to the last part while ignoring the rest of what you posted. Due to no consistent definition existing in common usage, it is a semantic argument to say that someone following common usage is wrong because they do not use your own more specific definition.

For example, a semiautomatic ar15 would fall under the common usage of the term 'assault rifle', even if you don't like it.

It's one of those "both are right while both are wrong" things...
 
2012-12-17 01:15:44 PM  

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.


I've lived my whole life without a gun. It's really not so bad.
 
2012-12-17 01:17:22 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: People just have no sense of humor about this whole thing.


It's never funny if you have to explain the joke.
 
2012-12-17 01:18:39 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice

The police police police the police.


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2012-12-17 01:18:51 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.


FTA; Although police found 47 guns and ammunition, Smith said most of those weapons were antique collector guns

So, fabricating inflammatory 'facts' to muddy the discussion then. Joy. Would you prefer to be under the 'troll' or the 'ignore' list?
 
2012-12-17 01:18:53 PM  
I could have sworn reliable Farkers informed us that the wife made it all up because 'biatches be lying'.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:14 PM  

skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore


Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.
 
2012-12-17 01:19:37 PM  
Cohen the Barbarian: JohnAnnArbor: Stipulating that this guy is an epic jerk who should be locked up:

1. Weren't most of those 47 antiques?
2. If (1), then isn't the "47 guns" headline sensationalist garbage that distorts the real situation?

FTA: "Although police found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout Meyer's two-story home after they arrested him, Smith said most of those weapons were antique collector guns and he believes Meyer was not serious about his school threat."

So yes and yes.


Has this been said yet? Because I think it has.
 
2012-12-17 01:20:43 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.


Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.
 
2012-12-17 01:20:56 PM  

snocone: Safety is your own job. Learn how.


It's a dog eat dog world out there. If you don't know how to kill a man at least ten different ways then you deserve to be eaten alive.
 
2012-12-17 01:21:06 PM  
Mass murderers never bluff. They just do their deed and leave everyone wondering "WFT?" Nonetheless, asswipe just learned that just saying such a thing is a terroristic threat and can end in your getting a job as a salad tosser.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:21:10 PM  

snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.


Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?
 
2012-12-17 01:22:58 PM  

D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


At least one more, as always. 47 isn't hard to come by if you own several different calibers of pistol and rifle. You can figure 2 rifles and 2 pistols for each caliber. One for hunting and general target practice and one for competitive shooting. Then you can start figuring for black powder as well.

Pistols:
.22
.38
.357
.40
.44
.45
.50
9mm
10mm

9 calibers, 18 pistols.

Rifles
.22 varmint gun
.30-06 deer rifle
.300 elk rifle
.30-30 general purpose hunting
.44 large game rifle i.e. bear

5 calibers, 10 rifles. Possibly more if you own extras for your kids

Shotguns:
.410
22ga
20ga
12ga pump action
12ga break action

5 shotguns - no difference for competition

Blackpowder pistol
.38 pepperbox
.44 hand cannon
.50 hand cannon
.58 hand cannon
.32 derringer

5 pistols - no difference for competition or plinking

Blackpowder rifle
.44 Henry rifle
.50 brush gun
.54 brush gun
.58 long rifle

4 rifles - no difference for competition or plinking

That's 42 right there and that's just the basics. Notice the lack of any of the "scary looking guns" the media talks about. No .223, no AK-47, no SKS. These are just the basics for hunting game.

No mention of additional weapons for other members of your family. That also does not include any air rifles and pistols that may be used for inexpensive target practice. Weapons are no different than mechanic's tools. Each has a particular use.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:12 PM  
Sorry, I can't comment on this until I know the exact make and model of each of his 47 guns.
 
2012-12-17 01:23:18 PM  
I chuckled.
 
2012-12-17 01:24:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again


You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.
 
2012-12-17 01:24:35 PM  
Don't worry, FARK will be telling the same "jokes" in a month and everyone will think they're awesome.

/hopefully not.
/feh, who am I kidding.
 
2012-12-17 01:25:06 PM  
lol lol, very funny you farking shiatface dirtbag, rot in a farking cold cell and enjoy the complimentary ass banging.
 
2012-12-17 01:27:17 PM  

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


They don't exist in this story.
Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.
At least this shooter knew how to clear it, a necessary skill if you use the thing.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:19 PM  

snocone: skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore

Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.


hmm... I thought it was a combination of the two. See, I am not worried that some deranged lunatic will break into my son's school swinging his fists wildly.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:48 PM  

D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


If someone had 47 Camaros or Mustangs, you'd hopefully be asking the same question. Collectors will be collectors. However collectors of firearms owe it to themselves, their families, and to the community to keep the weapons they aren't using for home defense locked in a safe and most importantly don't go around bragging about their arsenal or making idle threats.
 
2012-12-17 01:28:58 PM  

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


Before you can ban or control anything at the Federal level some definitions must be made solid. A single clear, final definition.

Things that need definition by the Federal govt in relation to firearms:

1) assault weapon
2) automatic weapon
3) high capacity magazine

That should be a start...

...and no we dont care what you Farkers define those as, your not the Federal govt.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:13 PM  

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


Assault rifles exist. But they are not semi-automatic.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:29:28 PM  

snocone: skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore

Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.


Well, what do you suggest we do about people like you? There are too many of you to lock up.
 
2012-12-17 01:29:59 PM  

D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


Well, it depends what you're into guns for.

Those that like historical guns could have any number, because they're basically building a private museum. They'll be the guys that stockpile 6.5x51 Arisaka ammo, because, really, it's not like the original manufacturer is in business any more. They'll also be the ones with 25 different 1911 pistols from WW2, but each one made at a different factory in a different year.

The guy interested in the mechanical side of firearms will have a lot of guns, each with a different operating mechanism, different recoil systems, lever action and pump action, probably even some wheellocks or other primitive ignition system.

Hunters may have just their one gun for deer season, or they may have guns set up for all the different things they hunt. Hunting ducks isn't even the same skill set as hunting deer, beyond the very basics.

If you're into sport shooting like IPSC or IDPA, you'll have your main competition gun, your backup competition gun, last years comp gun, the new fangled thing you're trying out, a couple stock guns, and variations on magazine capacity so you can do unlimited and limited matches.

If you're doing three-gun, you're like the IPSC guy, except you've repeated the same pattern in rifles and shotguns.

If you're doing Olympic shooting, you'll have your super specialized competition rifle, and back-up after back-up set up the same way. You'll probably have other guns so you can shoot for fun on occasion, just for variety.

If you're in a shooting family, everyone in your family may have their own rifle, shotgun, or pistol, as appropriate to their age and shooting skill, and then you'll still have all the guns the kids outgrow. My own daughter has her pink .22LR AR-15, and it a couple years she'll be ready to start shooting .223, and her upper will get the pink stripped off it and replaced with something that won't embarrass her little brother.

If you're a farmer or rancher, you'll have the work-gun for killing varmints, and maybe something bigger for feral hogs, backed up by a magnum revolver if that big boar gets close.

Concealed carriers will have a smaller pistol for summertime carry, and something a bit larger for when the clothing is heavier and doesn't print. You may also have all the guns you've carried for a while until something new and better came along.

Everyone will have the 1911 or revolver their grand-father left them in the will. I have family members that have just turned a pistol over to me, saying "I don't need this one any more." And I get a plastic shopping bag full of random ammo that doesn't even go with the gun they gave me.

It adds up over time.
 
2012-12-17 01:30:14 PM  

vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?


No, but calling every rifle in a collection an 'assault' weapon is misleading. Some people collect stamps, some people collect guns. Every hunting rifle, or trap shooting rifle is not an 'assault' weapon. its not its intended use. Just like all the knives in my kitchen aren't assault knives, or my sports closet doesn't contain assault baseball bats.
 
2012-12-17 01:30:59 PM  

hdhale: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

If someone had 47 Camaros or Mustangs, you'd hopefully be asking the same question. Collectors will be collectors. However collectors of firearms owe it to themselves, their families, and to the community to keep the weapons they aren't using for home defense locked in a safe and most importantly don't go around bragging about their arsenal or making idle threats.


Also, if he had 47 Camaros or Mustangs 'hidden throughout his home' I'd still assume he was a nutbar no matter their historic value.
 
2012-12-17 01:31:38 PM  

JackieRabbit: Mass murderers never bluff.


Really? I'm not asking for links or studies, but what are you basing that statement on?
 
2012-12-17 01:32:15 PM  
Also, the more information that comes out, the more the guy morphs into this in my head:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-17 01:32:16 PM  
If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is

and if you have easy access to guns, no wonder if you have several time our homicide rate.

/but I am angry now
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:32:27 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.

Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.


Yes, look up the part about a "well regulated militia". Apparently "militia" means anyone and "well regulated" means unregulated.
 
2012-12-17 01:33:24 PM  
"I was just bluffing!"

"Oh. Ever so sorry. Ok, run along then..."

//That was easy.
 
2012-12-17 01:34:06 PM  

devilEther: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

I've lived my whole life without a gun. It's really not so bad.


Apparently we don't know what we're missing.

My BIL wants bullets for Christmas. Eff off, crazy person. You buy your own bullets, I'll get you more marshmallows got your marshmallow gun.
 
2012-12-17 01:37:49 PM  
Fact appears to be, it was a .223 Bushmaster, a carbine.
$5-700.
Still jams too much w/ light loads 

What carbine used to mean: The carbine was originally a lighter, shortened weapon developed for the cavalry. Carbines were short enough to be loaded and fired from horseback but this was rarely done - a moving horse is a very unsteady platform, and once halted a soldier can load and fire more easily if dismounted, which also makes him a smaller target. The principal advantage of the carbine's length was portability. Troops could carry full length muskets comfortably enough on horseback if just riding from A to B (the practice of the original dragoons and later mounted infantry). Cavalry proper (a 'Regiment of Horse') had to ride with some agility and engage in sword-wielding melees with opposing cavalry so carrying anything long would be a dangerous encumberance. A carbine was typically no longer than a sheathed sabre, both arranged to hang with their tops clear of the rider's elbows and bottoms clear of the horse's legs.

Welcome to the 21st century.

What carbine means now: The smaller size and lighter weight of carbines makes them easier to handle in close-quarter situations such as urban or jungle warfare, or when deploying from military vehicles. The disadvantages of carbines relative to rifles include inferior long-range accuracy and a shorter effective range. Larger than a submachine gun, they are harder to maneuver in tight encounters where superior range and stopping power at distance are not great considerations. Firing the same ammunition as rifles gives carbines the advantage of standardization over those personal defense weapons (PDWs) that require proprietary cartridges.

Carbines are issued to high-mobility troops such as special-operations soldiers and paratroopers, as well as to mounted, supply, or other non-infantry personnel whose roles do not require full-sized rifles.

The more you know.

Your amateurish attempts to define and keep up with the technology of weaponry is always doomed when you spout from behind the imaginary security blanket of legislation.

Guns exist. Deal with it by study, practice, dicipline. Not fear.
 
2012-12-17 01:37:55 PM  

snocone: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

They don't exist in this story.
Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.
At least this shooter knew how to clear it, a necessary skill if you use the thing.


Pretty much a worthless gun for everything but clearing a room of kindergartners.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:38:02 PM  

hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.


So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.
 
2012-12-17 01:38:49 PM  
Still a threat, even if you were "bluffing".
 
2012-12-17 01:39:03 PM  

vpb: snocone: skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore

Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.

Well, what do you suggest we do about people like you? There are too many of you to lock up.


I am and always have been in the "keeper" column.
Do you read?
 
2012-12-17 01:39:58 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


Pistols: Huge list

Rifles: Huge list

Shotgun: Huge List



Don't you think he would have just as well off with 1 of each, instead of 20 of each? Are you preparing to shoot a home invader, or arming yourself for the joint Chinese/Russia land invasion?
 
2012-12-17 01:40:16 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.

Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.


Sure, a "right" within certain guidelines (good and bad). But certainly not treating guns like they were baseball cards. Which, I know, if you threw a baseball card hard enough at someone in the right, yes, you could kill them with it.

"The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.

For those men who were allowed to own guns, the Founders had their own version of the "individual mandate" that has proved so controversial in President Obama's health-care-reform law: they required the purchase of guns. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters-where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls. "
 
2012-12-17 01:40:35 PM  

LarryDan43: snocone: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

They don't exist in this story.
Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.
At least this shooter knew how to clear it, a necessary skill if you use the thing.

Pretty much a worthless gun for everything but clearing a room of kindergartners.


Dude... I know it's fark... but damn
 
2012-12-17 01:40:59 PM  

snocone: Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.


But I likes my AR-15! It's a nice tech demo and has been more reliable than I expected, from all of its bad press. Plus, it truly is the Mr. Potato Head of the gun world. "A scope, and a reflex sight, and a light, and a laser, and a vertical grip, and a secondary sling clip, and a golf ball tube, and a bayonet, and a seismograph, and a thermal imager, and a....."

Most states don't define assault weapons...a term that was invented to describe A Gun That Is Scary And Should Be Banned For The Children. It sounds very close to assault rifle (wiki) that it concerns citizens who hear of it, while still giving politicians the option to say, "I know that assault rifles are already tightly-controlled, but assault weapons run rampant, and anyone could kill everyone with one of these and a 130-round clip."
 
2012-12-17 01:42:43 PM  

unlikely: Did he have an .88 Magnum?


it shoots through schools!
 
2012-12-17 01:43:05 PM  

vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.


Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:22 PM  

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

My

free society, that considers checking someone isn't a danger to themselves or others before you let them own a gun (and every now and then once they own it) a perfectly normal and sensible thing to do, frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2012-12-17 01:43:45 PM  

snocone: Guns Guitars exist. Deal with it by study, practice, dicipline. Not fear.

 
2012-12-17 01:44:28 PM  
Show of hands!
How many swinging members out there willing to do my job of studying real assault weapons operated by real trained shootists from the front end??
Unarmed.

/no brag, just clearing the lawn
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:45:35 PM  

snocone: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

They don't exist in this story.
Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap.
IRL, it is a POS that every noob seems to want in his collection. Like a BMW.
At least this shooter knew how to clear it, a necessary skill if you use the thing.


That's amusing. I suspect Eugene Stoner would be surprised to learn that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-17 01:46:20 PM  

Kimpak: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

No, but calling every rifle in a collection an 'assault' weapon is misleading. Some people collect stamps, some people collect guns. Every hunting rifle, or trap shooting rifle is not an 'assault' weapon. its not its intended use. Just like all the knives in my kitchen aren't assault knives, or my sports closet doesn't contain assault baseball bats.


That's why no one does.
 
2012-12-17 01:47:17 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

At least one more, as always. 47 isn't hard to come by if you own several different calibers of pistol and rifle. You can figure 2 rifles and 2 pistols for each caliber. One for hunting and general target practice and one for competitive shooting. Then you can start figuring for black powder as well.

[snip]

Shotguns:
.410
22ga
20ga
12ga pump action
12ga break action

5 shotguns - no difference for competition [snip]


You lost me on this one...

/Agree with all the rest
 
2012-12-17 01:47:39 PM  
You should never go all in when your bluffing unless your willing to lose it all. No WSOP braclet for you.
 
2012-12-17 01:49:51 PM  

Kimpak: vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.

Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.


Your wife must not be very pleased
 
2012-12-17 01:51:48 PM  

vpb: That's amusing. I suspect Eugene Stoner would be surprised to learn that the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle.


If so, then Eugene Stoner doesn't know what an assault rifle is. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic version of the M-16, which is an assault rifle. Being capable of automatic fire is part of the definition of an assault rifle...the AR-15 has had this capability removed.
 
2012-12-17 01:51:52 PM  

Abuse Liability: Kimpak: vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.

Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.

Your wife must not be very pleased


She's pretty good at holding the apple steady.
 
2012-12-17 01:52:16 PM  

D_Evans45: Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?


Pistols: Huge list

Rifles: Huge list

Shotgun: Huge List


Don't you think he would have just as well off with 1 of each, instead of 20 of each? Are you preparing to shoot a home invader, or arming yourself for the joint Chinese/Russia land invasion?


Nah, too much weight. One rifle and one pistol is plenty if you're looking to misbehave. If it were me I'd choose an M-14 and a .45 but then I prefer long distance shooting of goblins instead of up close personal murder of children.
 
2012-12-17 01:52:17 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: vpb: snocone: Sleeping Monkey: "If people followed through on all the threats they've ever made - things said in anger that they don't really mean and regret - our population in this country would be half of what it is,"

Au contraire! Not everyone who gets angry in this country is armed to the teeth with assault weapons.

Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.
Why the inflamitory words invention?

GWB burned this approach to the ground.

Is this the latest strategy? Deny that assault rifles exist?

Before you can ban or control anything at the Federal level some definitions must be made solid. A single clear, final definition.

Things that need definition by the Federal govt in relation to firearms:

1) assault weapon
2) automatic weapon
3) high capacity magazine

That should be a start...

...and no we dont care what you Farkers define those as, your not the Federal govt.


So you are going to give that task to the BATF? Given their track record under the Obama administration, that's not a selling point for the concept.
 
2012-12-17 01:56:14 PM  

Skyd1v: Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

At least one more, as always. 47 isn't hard to come by if you own several different calibers of pistol and rifle. You can figure 2 rifles and 2 pistols for each caliber. One for hunting and general target practice and one for competitive shooting. Then you can start figuring for black powder as well.

[snip]

Shotguns:
.410
22ga
20ga
12ga pump action
12ga break action

5 shotguns - no difference for competition [snip]

You lost me on this one...

/Agree with all the rest


Shouldn've previewed and caught the typo. 28ga.
 
2012-12-17 01:57:35 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Skyd1v: Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

At least one more, as always. 47 isn't hard to come by if you own several different calibers of pistol and rifle. You can figure 2 rifles and 2 pistols for each caliber. One for hunting and general target practice and one for competitive shooting. Then you can start figuring for black powder as well.

[snip]

Shotguns:
.410
22ga
20ga
12ga pump action
12ga break action

5 shotguns - no difference for competition [snip]

You lost me on this one...

/Agree with all the rest

Shouldn've previewed and caught the typo. 28ga.


Gotcha. ( was wondering if there was something new out there...)
 
2012-12-17 01:57:37 PM  
Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:15 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: hdhale: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

If someone had 47 Camaros or Mustangs, you'd hopefully be asking the same question. Collectors will be collectors. However collectors of firearms owe it to themselves, their families, and to the community to keep the weapons they aren't using for home defense locked in a safe and most importantly don't go around bragging about their arsenal or making idle threats.

Also, if he had 47 Camaros or Mustangs 'hidden throughout his home' I'd still assume he was a nutbar no matter their historic value.

 

See, that's a yellow flag to me as well. Someone wants to collect 100 rifles in various calibers and 200 pistols to match, I have to wonder what else to have to spend money on, but fine. Just be responsible about it. If your level of paranoia has gotten to the point that you must scatter parts of your collection through the house "just in case" and they are easily accessible (I can see where someone might want to have multiple gun safes in multiple locations, btw), might be time to schedule that therapy appointment.

Dude never heard of holster? :-P
 
2012-12-17 02:01:17 PM  

Marcintosh: No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


What's wrong with trying to avoid storing oily rags next to the water heater and buying a fire extinguisher?
 
2012-12-17 02:02:08 PM  

snocone: An assault weapon is any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms using an intermediate cartridge.[1] In the United States, there is a variety of statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws that define them by a set of characteristics they possess. Using lists of physical features or specific firearms in defining assault weapons in the U.S. was first codified by the language of the now-expired 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3] A common usage is to interchange the term with assault rifle, but unlike that term, "assault weapon" has no consistent or specific definition and so is subject to varying definitions for varying purposes, especially favored by gun grabbers promoting their agenda.


Yes well if we just outlawed any gun that could take an external magazine, required gun owners to turn those types of fire arms in, and required those guns with an internal magazine to allow no more then two rounds at a time to be loaded into the firearm we would not be worrying about assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

/Yes two shots that is all you get.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:13 PM  
jesus h farking christ, what the hell is wrong with people?
 
2012-12-17 02:03:25 PM  

hdhale: See, that's a yellow flag to me as well. Someone wants to collect 100 rifles in various calibers and 200 pistols to match, I have to wonder what else to have to spend money on, but fine. Just be responsible about it. If your level of paranoia has gotten to the point that you must scatter parts of your collection through the house "just in case" and they are easily accessible (I can see where someone might want to have multiple gun safes in multiple locations, btw), might be time to schedule that therapy appointment.


Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:36 PM  
Just pointing out... Antique/Collector weapons are not necessarily blackpowder muskets.

I own/handled weapons a hundred years old, and they work just fine to hit what is being aimed at. Weapons from WWI, even WWII, can be considered "antiques", and a person can do quite a lot of damage with an M1 Garand, M1A1 Carbine, Colt .45 ACP, Enfield, Mauser, Lebel, Winchester, etc..

Antique is a meaningless term with regard to damage a weapon can do, or even ease of operation, capability, etc..
 
2012-12-17 02:04:43 PM  
47 Guns!? You know I bet he had 47 AK-47's.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:49 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: hdhale: See, that's a yellow flag to me as well. Someone wants to collect 100 rifles in various calibers and 200 pistols to match, I have to wonder what else to have to spend money on, but fine. Just be responsible about it. If your level of paranoia has gotten to the point that you must scatter parts of your collection through the house "just in case" and they are easily accessible (I can see where someone might want to have multiple gun safes in multiple locations, btw), might be time to schedule that therapy appointment.

Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.


I'm sure it is step two or three in the how to deal with random armed home invaders handbook.
 
2012-12-17 02:07:04 PM  
The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
www.militaryfactory.com
www.dougwilson.com
www.uberti.com
www.uberti.com
1-22infantry.org
images2.wikia.nocookie.net 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.
 
2012-12-17 02:07:18 PM  

maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.
I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.


So you'll be free to leave, then.
 
2012-12-17 02:08:25 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Exactly. I'm almost willing to bet at least one was taped to the underside of a table or inside a cabinet door. Maybe I'm stereotyping, but every single gun collector whose gone to the paranoid side that I've met (All...two. Okay, not a big sample size) has thought that was the greatest trick in the world.


Since it shows up in just about every action flick where the action-packed badass's home is featured, it's really quite stale.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:26 PM  
D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.
 
2012-12-17 02:13:23 PM  

snocone: Most states do not define an AR-15 as a assault weapon. Commonly for sale, cheap


The cheapest, nastiest ARs I've seen are around $800. Typical prices are in the $1200 - $1800 range. Hardly cheap, when you can get a decent bolt-action rifle for under $400 or an SKS for $350.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:52 PM  

Marcintosh: Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.


There are many Muslims in the world. It is a major religion. Some of them kill people, does this mean all Muslims are bad? Does it mean the religion should be banned?

Not everyone who owns a gun is planning to shoot up a school. They don't own them out of fear. Speaking as an Iowan, you have at most one degree of seperation from a gun. Either you own one or know someone who does. We collect them, we pass them on as heirlooms, we hunt with them. They are the equivalent of a painting on the wall, a tool in the shed or something akin to a soccer ball. We grew up with them, they are not scary.

Preppers, and the like are the exception to the rule. The extremest. The people who actually do shoot up a school or even a single other person have something more wrong with them than owning a gun. If a person has made up their mind to rampage, they will find a way to do it.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:59 PM  
police found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout Meyer's two-story home after they arrested him,

Hidden, how, exactly. There's a difference between having guns in cabinets or gun bags, and having them taped underneath every flat surface, and hanging on nails under curtains.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:01 PM  
But, but, but....I was told by the tea party patriots that this was phase 2 in Obama's elaborate false flag conspiracy to take our freedom loving guns....
 
2012-12-17 02:18:26 PM  

vpb: hdhale: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

You want a Galil assault rifle, which has a bottle opener.

The weapon features a bottle opener in the front handguard and wire cutter built into the bipod. The bottle opener feature was included to prevent damage to magazines being used to open bottles, due to the large civilian reservist components of the IDF. Use of magazines to open bottles was a common source of magazine lip damage with Uzi submachine guns. Wire cutters were included to reduce the time necessary for IDF troops to cut down wire fences common to rural areas in Israel.

Note that the Galil is an actual assault rifle, not a pretend, military-looking semiautomatic rifle, which are currently popular in the US.

So are AK-47s, AR-15s mini-14. Even if they are semi-auto.

The idea that an assault rifle stops being an assault rifle because it is semi-auto is as silly as saying that a car stops being a car when it has a flat. In fact, many actual assault rifles aren't full auto. The M-16A2 has a three round burst in place of the full auto function.


More like if I take a sports car and change out the high performance V-12 or V-8 engine, strip out the turbo and the other performance enhancements, and substitute in a nice, fuel efficient economical V-4. Sure it's still a car, it looks the part of a powerful vehicle, but...I wouldn't take the downsized engined car out for a spin at LeMans.

That said, any rifle of 5.56 mm, whether it's a lever action with an 8 round internal magazine, 10 round magazine bolt action, 10 round magazine semiauto, or 30 round magazine semiauto is going to be capable of shooting someone stone cold dead out to 300 meters (or more if I have a scope) and odds are I'm not going to have to shoot twice, but I can easily with any of these weapons and at a rate of fire that is similar--assuming I'm taking the time to aim of course.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:34 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: If it were me I'd choose an M-14 and a .45


I approve of your selection.

I currently own 2 Garand-action rifles (Mini-30 and CMP M-1). An M-1A national match and possibly a mini-14 are in my future. Garand > AR.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:40 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I could see a guy saying this...a person of low intellect, who in a fit of anger says the most horrible thing he can think of at the moment, this being a school shooting, as it was fresh in his mind. Yes, he's an asshole for saying it, but it's doubtful if he was really going to do it. If he had plans to do that, he would have just done it.


I SAID THAT YESTERDAY!!!

Goddamn, I've really got to make up with Apollo.
 
2012-12-17 02:26:56 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
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Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


"Military Style" and "suddenly"?

So your gripe is with aesthetics?

And there's nothing sudden about it. Even before the "assault weapons" ban of the '90s, semi-auto "cool looking" rifles were popular.

I've got a Remington .30-06 that's far deadlier than any AR-15 at every range. It is also capable of holding as many rounds as you can find a magazine to carry. However, it's not considered an "assault weapon" because it doesn't look all Military. It's classified as a "hunting rifle" because it's got a classic design, even though it fires a tremendously nasty round, can hold in excess of 15 rounds, and fires as fast as you can pull the trigger without any fear of jamming.

You listed an M1A in your pictures, and I defy you to prove that it isn't a fantastic all-purpose sporting rifle. We've got three in the family, and it was the first proper rifle I ever fired. Yeah, they're heavy as balls, but kept in good order they are reliable, sturdy, and useful for taking down deer, elk, and even bear if the need should arise. Just because "they wook scawwwy" does not change their quality for sporting purposes.

/my 1911 is a far better weapon for short-range killing than any AR-15
//but no, go ahead, get all het up about the scary little pea shooter
 
2012-12-17 02:28:43 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice


He really likes the Police?
 
2012-12-17 02:29:28 PM  
Sorry, not an M1A. I scrolled past too fast while on the toilet. My bad. I stand by my statement that it's a fine rifle, but apologize for directing that specific ire in your direction.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:01 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
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[www.uberti.com image 850x191]
[www.uberti.com image 850x199]
[1-22infantry.org image 850x159]
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Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


The funny part is that military technology often far lagged behind what civilians used.
We had Kentucky rifles in the day of the Brown Bess, lever action guns when civil war soldiers had muzzle loaders, garands and Thompsons in the era of bolt action mausers.
It's a trend that would have continued, if not for the NFA and those damn union busting politicians.

/altho it still happens, somewhat.
/5x7 and bullpups being targeted at civilian markets, to help get a foot in the door for military sales.
/a lot of high end optics are being bought with private money too.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:12 PM  

snocone: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.


Nobody is going to take your penis away. Obama will not engage in this debate right now. He isn't a Republican and it isn't birth control.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:07 PM  

Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.


That could have been me. I'm somewhere in the mid 30s on my collection, limited more by disposable income than desire.

A number of them are heirlooms, going on 5 generations in my family. Some are for hunting, some are for plinking, a couple are for carry, and a couple could be used for defense in a larger scale scenario (though I really just hunt and plink with them).

Of course it's way more than I need. But what does need have to do with anything? I'm no more dangerous with 30 than with 1 - I've only got two hands.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:40 PM  

Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.


"Detectives say there were so many weapons inside the house, that they had to step over or walk around the guns to get to more guns. "This is pretty rare. "
obscure
 
2012-12-17 02:34:30 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: I called this yesterday, his old lady got fed up with his crap and called the cops.

If every wild threat were taken seriously, there would be an entire division of the FBI just following up on Fark politics tab posts.


I think "normal" people don't threaten to kill as many people, including school children, as possible. Sure you might threaten to divorce your wife or hook up with someone else or maybe even run off with the kids, but threatening to massacre a school is something that should be looked into.
 
2012-12-17 02:35:33 PM  

Kuroshin: "Military Style" and "suddenly"?

So your gripe is with aesthetics?



I was being ironic.

My gripe is with people who have zero grasp of firearms history, technology, or usage thinking that my rights should be legislated away based on nothing but their own fearful ignorance.
 
2012-12-17 02:36:41 PM  

iaazathot: snocone: The Stealth Hippopotamus: snocone: [2] sometimes described as military-style features useful in combat.[3]

Put a folding stock on my 22 250 bolt action rifle and you have an "assault" weapon.

How about a compass or a bottle opener?

/so want a bottler opener
// Now I really want to watch Deal of the Century again

So looking forward to Fearified Idiots that know nothing about guns/shooting to make some new unenforcible laws to play with.
Fascinating.

Nobody is going to take your penis away. Obama will not engage in this debate right now. He isn't a Republican and it isn't birth control.


The "P" word?
My word, what a suprise.
You favor males so much you forget about female Gun Nutz?
 
2012-12-17 02:38:29 PM  
Johnny Ringo: My fight's not with you, Holliday.
Doc Holliday: I beg to differ, sir. We started a game we never got to finish. "Play for Blood," remember?
Johnny Ringo: Oh that. I was just foolin' about.
Doc Holliday: I wasn't.
 
2012-12-17 02:44:36 PM  
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It was a goof!!
 
2012-12-17 02:47:38 PM  

Kimpak: Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.


Not as accurately, I'll bet.

The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.
 
2012-12-17 02:48:19 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Yes well if we just outlawed any gun that could take an external magazine, required gun owners to turn those types of fire arms in, and required those guns with an internal magazine to allow no more then two rounds at a time to be loaded into the firearm we would not be worrying about assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

/Yes two shots that is all you get.


That's a great idea!

Just be sure to buy a illegal gun on the black market. You know, to turn over to the SWAT team when they come to search your house for the illegal guns that an anonymous tipster says you have.

Because they're not going to believe you when you say you don't have one.

They're not going to believe you the next week, either.

Don't own anything expensive. SWAT teams are enthusiastic, and those nefarious illegal more-than-two-shot gun nuts like to hide them in places that already have metal in them so metal detectors won't know the difference. That's why they have to open up your computer, HD-TV, car, appliances... you know, all those places the anonymous tipster saw you opening up side panels to hide your guns.
 
2012-12-17 02:54:02 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Kimpak: Would it make you feel safer if it was pump-action? I can fire my 12ga shotgun at a dear as fast as someone using a semi-auto 12ga. People over-think the the whole semi-auto thing.

Hell with practice you can shoot a 6 shot revolver, reload and continue shooting nearly as fast as someone with a semi-auto and an extended mag.

Not as accurately, I'll bet.

The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.


You'd be surprised how quickly someone can reload. True it takes some practice. But especially in the case of, lets say a handgun, ejecting a mag and inserting a new one is a matter of a second or two. I haven't timed myself but if I had do I'd say I could load my 12ga shotgun with 5 shells in a matter of a couple to a few seconds. But really to keep someone at bay I'd only need to get one in, and that would be a matter of a second assuming I have some sort of bandolier for easy reach.
 
2012-12-17 03:01:36 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: The killers in these mass shootings aren't professionals, and this isn't a practice range. While they might be able to fire the revolver or 12ga quickly, they won't be able to reload it quickly. Which, in theory at least, makes them easier to take down.


You've never seen a speed loader, have you?

hellinahandbasket.net

hellinahandbasket.net
 
2012-12-17 03:13:49 PM  
LOL Cedar Lake. The town that sucks so bad even my crappy nearby town made fun of it. They were our Shelbyville.
 
2012-12-17 03:15:39 PM  

snocone: Whar "assault weapons"? Over here? Nope. Maybe over there? Nope. None here.


I suppose I can't fault a man thorough enough to check both sides of his colon.
 
2012-12-17 03:19:22 PM  
Doesn't matter. He *did* make terroristic threats. Make an example out of him
 
2012-12-17 03:20:42 PM  

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.


Don't you know that the British may try to invade again at any time?
 
2012-12-17 03:26:37 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: scottydoesntknow: Meyer, who was arrested Saturday on seven felony charges, then told his wife he would kill her "at the school" and "would kill as many people as he could before police could stop him police," Smith said.

He said police twice

The police police police the police.


who will police the police?
dunno, coast guard?
 
2012-12-17 03:33:49 PM  
Let's be honest about the police reaction.

Call about "This guy says he's going to shoot up a school"

Check.

He has 47 guns. He looks crazy. Someone else just did it yesterday. He has a clearly reasonable motive by the standards of what usually sends criminals around the bend.

No freaking surprise they immediately grab him. Oh, and my opinion is - if you commit assault with a deadly weapon (Threatening to murder someone with a gun), then, yes, you DO deserve to lose your guns. They're not just toys or collectibles. If you can't treat them with the respect they need...tough. Have some string to play with.
 
2012-12-17 03:36:13 PM  
Headline fail. He said "He was just bluffing" not "he was just joking". Laughter is not the expected outcome of bluffing.

Signed,

Buzz Killington
 
2012-12-17 03:47:59 PM  

JesseL: You've never seen a speed loader, have you?



Still less practical. You can drop and replace a 12 round mag into your pistol almost instantly. Quick reload on a 5 or 6 shot takes much longer comparatively. Youre also carrying around a bunch of little rolls as opposed to straight magazines if you've pre-rolled them, which is less than ideal storage wise.
 
2012-12-17 03:49:55 PM  
i249.photobucket.com

Knew the guy was bluffing.


/really, it took this long?
 
2012-12-17 03:53:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 03:55:50 PM  
A credible threat is a credible threat, and that's probable cause for an investigation right there; it turned out that the threat wasn't credible, but it took an investigation to figure that out. No free-speech issue there.

Being a jerk is not a crime, but even most jerks have enough sense to figure out the biggest "not today" points, of which this certainly was one. This incident lies well beyond the norm, even for a truly epic jerk, and that is cause for a mental health screening (which might well turn up nothing at all, in which case we'll have to invent a new adjective for just how much of a jerk he is). This is also not a free-speech issue.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:45 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 04:03:20 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.

When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
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[www.dougwilson.com image 730x129]
[www.uberti.com image 850x191]
[www.uberti.com image 850x199]
[1-22infantry.org image 850x159]
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 639x136] 

Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


One small quibble: The 1860 Herny was never formally adopted by the Union Army. Some soldiers bought their own, and provided their own ammunition.
 
2012-12-17 04:07:09 PM  

D_Evans45: JesseL: You've never seen a speed loader, have you?


Still less practical. You can drop and replace a 12 round mag into your pistol almost instantly. Quick reload on a 5 or 6 shot takes much longer comparatively. Youre also carrying around a bunch of little rolls as opposed to straight magazines if you've pre-rolled them, which is less than ideal storage wise.


Are you a shooter who has ever tried it? Or are you just another farker talking out of his ass?

The difference isn't as big as you might think assume.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:15 PM  

give me doughnuts: One small quibble: The 1860 Herny was never formally adopted by the Union Army. Some soldiers bought their own, and provided their own ammunition.


shiat, you're right.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:41 PM  

mizchief: Whats' dumb about the assault weapons ban, is that people who support it go after the AR-15 which is a .233 which is based off the standard 5.56mm NATO round specifically designed for wounding vs. killing in order to take out one commandant along with 2 buddies needed to carry him out.


Urban legend.

The move to small caliber assault rifles (vs full power battle rifles like the M-1 and M-14) was prompted by analysis of real-world battle reports which showed that infantrymen seldom engaged targets beyond 200-300 meters except for covering fire - targets beyond that range would almost invariably be engaged with heavy weapons. A full power battle rifle is capable of providing aimed fire out to 800-1000 meters, and is therefore grossly over-powered for the way infantrymen actually use their rifles. By moving to a much smaller caliber that has a maximum effective range of 300m vs 1000m, the infantryman can carry a lighter rifle and more rounds of ammunition, freeing up carrying capacity for additional weapons and equipment.

Of course this doctrine breaks down when you move to a battlefield environment that is mostly open and has little cover (like Iraq and Afghanistan), and deploy the infantry units alone instead of as part of a tightly integrated combined arms unit (Again, as in the current conflicts). Hence the recent re-issue of the M-14 and the creation of the designated marksman role at the squad / fire team level.
 
2012-12-17 04:15:23 PM  

JesseL: Are you a shooter who has ever tried it? Or are you just another farker talking out of his ass?

The difference isn't as big as you might think assume.


Unless you're left-handed (as I am).

Still like a .38 snubby as a carry piece, regardless of how hard it is to reload. Not much bigger than a .380 mouse gun, but it packs a lot more punch. I figure if I ever need more than 5 shots I'm pretty well farked anyway.
 
2012-12-17 04:21:52 PM  

clyph: Still like a .38 snubby as a carry piece, regardless of how hard it is to reload. Not much bigger than a .380 mouse gun, but it packs a lot more punch. I figure if I ever need more than 5 shots I'm pretty well farked anyway.


Have you tried moon clips? They make reloading quick for revolvers!
 
2012-12-17 04:25:12 PM  

give me doughnuts: One small quibble: The 1860 Herny was never formally adopted by the Union Army. Some soldiers bought their own, and provided their own ammunition.


The army leadership had a long-standing prejudice against lever-action rifles, not to mention a very low opinon of the average soldier's intelligence and capabilities. They adopted the single-shot trapdoor Springfield over the 1873 Winchester because of the belief that the average soldier would waste ammo. This kind of thinking lasted up until WWII - the Garand used an en-bloc clip versus a detachable magazine because the officer corps thought the troops would waste ammo and lose detachable magazines.

It's gotten better since we ended the draft, but West Point institutional memory is long and the officer corps still has vestiges of the attitude that all enlisted are illiterate drooling morons who are too stupid to be entrusted with anything except the most simple gear.
 
2012-12-17 04:34:23 PM  

JesseL: D_Evans45:

Are you a shooter who has ever tried it? Or are you just another farker talking out of his ass?

The difference isn't as big as you might think assume.



Ive used speed loaders and mags, my extended mags slid out instantly and a new one could be slapped in the split second the last mag drops, you can be firing again almost instantaneously.

It isnt years slower, but it is comparatively slower with speed loads. It isnt as practical to continuously fire whilst slapping mag after mag in out of your pocket with a speed loader as you would easily be able to do with a pistol, and you're only getting 5 or 6 shots max. Weak. Speed loaders are large and unwieldy compared to magazines.
 
2012-12-17 04:35:37 PM  

stevarooni: Have you tried moon clips? They make reloading quick for revolvers!


Try reloading a revolver in your left hand. Speed loaders, moon clips, speed strips -- nothing makes up for the fact that the cylinder swings out on the wrong side and you need to either be a contortionist or shift your grip on the weapon to reload.

Charter Arms makes a left-handed .38 snubby, but not in a hammerless DAO configuration. I think a no-snag profile is more important than a little easier reload. I've been dealing with right-handed revolvers for close to 30 years, I'm used to it.
 
2012-12-17 04:36:39 PM  
It tossed my image

www.thunderranchinc.com
 
2012-12-17 04:39:16 PM  
Although, in a gun thread on Fark, I could see some fanatic gun nut being able to reload revolvers faster than normal people can reload 12-shot mags.

www.linkognito.com
 
2012-12-17 04:40:32 PM  

Felgraf: This is my shocked face. Really. I'm truly shocked. Surely those from the other thread claiming it MUST be a conspiracy will appear in this one to offer their apologies.


Paging Amos Quito, Amos Quito to the oh-so-White Courtesy Phone!

Is it POSSIBLE that wifey was ENRAGED at hubby over some irrelevant issue and MADE THE WHOLE THING UP, capitalizing on the Connecticut story to "stick it" to hubby?

You decide.


OK, I decided long ago that you are a tool.

How's that? :-)
 
2012-12-17 04:45:08 PM  

Kimpak: Marcintosh: Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.

There are many Muslims in the world. It is a major religion. Some of them kill people, does this mean all Muslims are bad? Does it mean the religion should be banned?

Where did that come from?

Not everyone who owns a gun is planning to shoot up a school. They don't own them out of fear. Speaking as an Iowan, you have at most one degree of seperation from a gun. Either you own one or know someone who does. We collect them, we pass them on as heirlooms, we hunt with them. They are the equivalent of a painting on the wall, a tool in the shed or something akin to a soccer ball. We grew up with them, they are not scary.

Preppers, and the like are the exception to the rule. The extremest. The people who actually do shoot up a school or even a single other person have something more wrong with them than owning a gun. If a person has made up their mind to rampage, they will find a way to do it.


So, what are you saying exactly . . . ?
Just something in your tone of writing makes me suspicious.
It sounds like you're trying to liken guns to an Easy-Bake oven. A warm and fuzzy feeling" when you slip your grandmothers ring on your new wife's finger" type of thing going on here.
Are you trying to reach for the tiller on my submission ?

Working on pulling the teeth on the local funerals? You can't do that.
Not with me, because there's twenty dead kids up the road from me about 15 miles as the crow flies.
 
2012-12-17 04:56:07 PM  

clyph: Try reloading a revolver in your left hand. Speed loaders, moon clips, speed strips -- nothing makes up for the fact that the cylinder swings out on the wrong side and you need to either be a contortionist or shift your grip on the weapon to reload.


Yeah, there is that. :-P I can sympathize. I'm a lefty for several things (cutting with scissors, writing, etc), and it's very much a right-hander's world. Shooting right-handed is very convenient.
 
2012-12-17 05:16:53 PM  

vpb: Sultan Of Herf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.

Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.

Yes, look up the part about a "well regulated militia". Apparently "militia" means anyone and "well regulated" means unregulated.


Militia means everyone. I had a US Ranger show me the definition of the militia in the US code, which involves all ablebodied males. Essentially if you are draftable you are part of the defacto militia.

George Washington even signed an executive order requiring all able-bodied males to maintain a firearm, a certain quantity of gunpowder and a certain number of musketballs for times of crisis. I dug this up when people were arguing that the government can't require and has never required citizens to buy anything. Well, it can and it has. And that fact also shows just what was intended by the Second Amendment. Everyone with hardware at home, like Switzerland.

Frankly I would like to see all restrictions come off. Register and track them? Sure. Make people certify in weapons they own, for safety, maintenance and use? Absolutely. Have regular mental health screenings done? That could only benefit everyone, IMO.

If I snapped, I wouldn't use a firearm anyway. I'd either go for a chemical weapon that I can make myself, or something more personal like a garotte or a knife that I could use to incapacitate and then gut my target with. And I'd probably do first the chemical attack and then do the personal stuff.

Note: I have no intention of snapping. But I consider guns to be massively overrated. If I snap it'd be on the order of the sarin attacks in Japan. And I think more people would gravitate that direction absent guns. Think fewer arsenals busted but more meth lab like explosions in your neighborhood as folks get their mixtures wrong cooking it up.
 
2012-12-17 05:23:52 PM  

Marcintosh: Kimpak: Marcintosh: Such fear.
I'm concerned that gun owners will cancel each other out pretty soon.

it reminds me of the guys that spent a huge amount of income to build "Bomb Shelters" during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Buying land and cement mixers and steel doors and having holes dug and then building and then covering it over and then ten years later turning it into a sauna because IT WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED A DAMN THING.

If the world goes to hell, do you really want to hang on to it? really?
How about working to make sure it doesn't go to hell. Too difficult a concept?

Nothing wrong with recreational shooting. Nothing wrong with hunting. I support both.

Running around like little bed wetters though, that's gotta stop. 

No, not duckin' - bring it and tell me what's wrong with working towards sanity. Or go wet the bed again.

There are many Muslims in the world. It is a major religion. Some of them kill people, does this mean all Muslims are bad? Does it mean the religion should be banned?

Where did that come from?

Not everyone who owns a gun is planning to shoot up a school. They don't own them out of fear. Speaking as an Iowan, you have at most one degree of seperation from a gun. Either you own one or know someone who does. We collect them, we pass them on as heirlooms, we hunt with them. They are the equivalent of a painting on the wall, a tool in the shed or something akin to a soccer ball. We grew up with them, they are not scary.

Preppers, and the like are the exception to the rule. The extremest. The people who actually do shoot up a school or even a single other person have something more wrong with them than owning a gun. If a person has made up their mind to rampage, they will find a way to do it.

So, what are you saying exactly . . . ?
Just something in your tone of writing makes me suspicious.
It sounds like you're trying to liken guns to an Easy-Bake oven. A warm and fuzzy feeling" when you slip your grandmothers ring on y ...


You missed my point, but in your defense I didn't do a very good job of getting it across. What I was trying to say is guns are not the problem. A minority of gun owners or who have access to them are the problem. Punish the wielder of the weapon, do not punish the majority of responsible owners.
 
2012-12-17 05:24:44 PM  
Both Jamestown and Plymouth had strict gun control that forbade loaded guns inside the settlements.

How's THAT for original intent?
 
2012-12-17 05:27:00 PM  
He said Meyer's wife told officers their relationship was turbulent and he had often threatened her.

If I were a woman living in a house with guns and my husband continually threatened me I would be looking for help to get out of there ASAP. I hope there is some sort of support system available for her to leave. Because there is a good chance she will be leaving in a body bag if she doesn't leave on her own.
 
2012-12-17 05:27:35 PM  

unlikely: Did he have an .88 Magnum?


Did they make it for him special?

/threats are not covered under the 1st amendment
//any reasonably thinking person would suspect you intent to follow through -- dumas
 
2012-12-17 05:32:08 PM  
... 'intend.'
 
2012-12-17 05:56:16 PM  
47 guns a scary collection?

Some of my friends should open haunted house tours then.

Herpaderr folks afraid of bang bang machines shouldn't be allowed to drive cars or cook with gas either.

I would wager in the USA more kids have drown in unturned 5 gallon buckets than by gun execution.

Lets ban worthless parents before we ban forged/milled metal machines.
 
2012-12-17 05:57:24 PM  
These kids used to laugh, but not at idiots like that guy 

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2012-12-17 06:35:37 PM  

JesseL: The big problem is that military-style firearms have suddenly become very popular with civilian shooters.
When did a civilian ever need one of these weapons of war that were designed as state-of-the art killing machines?
Each was the pinnacle of modern weapon making, intended to be as rapid firing, powerful, and deadly accurate as technology allowed.


I don't know what you're getting at, exactly, but I read an article not too long ago about how you can now go to Vegas and rent enormous, otherwise illegal guns to shoot at ranges. And business is (haha) booming.

Americans being who they are, I can't imagine we'll stop with the gun fetish until some people have all the biggest, baddest guns they can acquire, legal or not. The "illegal" part is just a technicality.

edmo: These kids used to laugh, but not at idiots like that guy 
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Fark man don't do that. I'm trying to avoid those pictures.
 
2012-12-17 07:03:24 PM  
Bluffing is not joking. Bluffing is weaponized uncertainty. Is it a form of terrorism and should be punished as such.

However conspiracy to commit violence and intentionally empty threats to commit violence are two different crimes. They are both crimes to be sure but one is a 20-40 years in prison type and the other is the 0-5 years in prison type. Applying a blanket punishment to both is willful ignorance.
 
2012-12-17 07:14:18 PM  

Pincy: Sorry, I can't comment on this until I know the exact make and model of each of his 47 guns.


this
And just because they have been called "antique collectibles" doesn't mean they are 16th century muzzle loaders.
A Viet Nam era M-16 fully automatic is an antique and quite collectable
 
2012-12-17 08:03:43 PM  

stevarooni: clyph: Still like a .38 snubby as a carry piece, regardless of how hard it is to reload. Not much bigger than a .380 mouse gun, but it packs a lot more punch. I figure if I ever need more than 5 shots I'm pretty well farked anyway.

Have you tried moon clips? They make reloading quick for revolvers!


Thank you! I've seen them used, but I could not remember the name of those things.
 
2012-12-17 08:12:21 PM  

cretinbob: Pincy: Sorry, I can't comment on this until I know the exact make and model of each of his 47 guns.

this
And just because they have been called "antique collectibles" doesn't mean they are 16th century muzzle loaders.
A Viet Nam era M-16 fully automatic is an antique and quite collectable


You do realize I was being facetious?
 
2012-12-17 08:16:59 PM  

JesseL: Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.

That could have been me. I'm somewhere in the mid 30s on my collection, limited more by disposable income than desire.

A number of them are heirlooms, going on 5 generations in my family. Some are for hunting, some are for plinking, a couple are for carry, and a couple could be used for defense in a larger scale scenario (though I really just hunt and plink with them).

Of course it's way more than I need. But what does need have to do with anything? I'm no more dangerous with 30 than with 1 - I've only got two hands.


Did you ever have a list of all your guns in your profile, if so than yes it was you, but I can understand heirlooms and collections piece. BTW, what is "plinking" or are the Fark filters playing with some word?
 
2012-12-17 08:24:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

At least one more, as always. 47 isn't hard to come by if you own several different calibers of pistol and rifle. You can figure 2 rifles and 2 pistols for each caliber. One for hunting and general target practice and one for competitive shooting. Then you can start figuring for black powder as well.

Pistols:
.22
.38
.357
.40
.44
.45
.50
9mm
10mm

9 calibers, 18 pistols.

Rifles
.22 varmint gun
.30-06 deer rifle
.300 elk rifle
.30-30 general purpose hunting
.44 large game rifle i.e. bear

5 calibers, 10 rifles. Possibly more if you own extras for your kids

Shotguns:
.410
22ga
20ga
12ga pump action
12ga break action

5 shotguns - no difference for competition

Blackpowder pistol
.38 pepperbox
.44 hand cannon
.50 hand cannon
.58 hand cannon
.32 derringer

5 pistols - no difference for competition or plinking

Blackpowder rifle
.44 Henry rifle
.50 brush gun
.54 brush gun
.58 long rifle

4 rifles - no difference for competition or plinking

That's 42 right there and that's just the basics. Notice the lack of any of the "scary looking guns" the media talks about. No .223, no AK-47, no SKS. These are just the basics for hunting game.

No mention of additional weapons for other members of your family. That also does not include any air rifles and pistols that may be used for inexpensive target practice. Weapons are no different than mechanic's tools. Each has a particular use.


Maybe when I'm retired I will have time for all those toys. Could easily spend 3 days a week for a year at the range with all those and not get bored. Better plan a bigger 401K for all the ammo.
 
2012-12-17 08:40:22 PM  

Latinwolf: JesseL: Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.

That could have been me. I'm somewhere in the mid 30s on my collection, limited more by disposable income than desire.

A number of them are heirlooms, going on 5 generations in my family. Some are for hunting, some are for plinking, a couple are for carry, and a couple could be used for defense in a larger scale scenario (though I really just hunt and plink with them).

Of course it's way more than I need. But what does need have to do with anything? I'm no more dangerous with 30 than with 1 - I've only got two hands.

Did you ever have a list of all your guns in your profile, if so than yes it was you, but I can understand heirlooms and collections piece. BTW, what is "plinking" or are the Fark filters playing with some word?


Yep, it was likely me, though I think I've seen lists in other profiles.

Plinking is basically informal target practice, usually not on a designated shooting range. Think "shooting at cans and shiat".

Me doing some plinking a couple weekends ago.
 
2012-12-17 11:50:10 PM  
retard
 
2012-12-18 12:56:41 AM  
Yeah, because after something like that happens, the first thing I want is to here some arseholes joke about it!!!
 
2012-12-18 12:57:39 AM  
Anger leads to hate... hate leads to typos...
 
2012-12-18 04:57:16 AM  
We need to ban all guns of any kind for our own protection and, most important of all, for the glory of the state.
 
2012-12-18 06:53:20 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: I called this yesterday, his old lady got fed up with his crap and called the cops.

If every wild threat were taken seriously, there would be an entire division of the FBI just following up on Fark politics tab posts.


What makes you think there isn't, Mr Smarty File Number 456951-55?
 
2012-12-18 07:05:47 AM  

Cohen the Barbarian: JohnAnnArbor: Stipulating that this guy is an epic jerk who should be locked up:

1. Weren't most of those 47 antiques?
2. If (1), then isn't the "47 guns" headline sensationalist garbage that distorts the real situation?

FTA: "Although police found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout Meyer's two-story home after they arrested him, Smith said most of those weapons were antique collector guns and he believes Meyer was not serious about his school threat."

So yes and yes.


Yes and No. The headline stated a fact; he does have 47 guns. In pursuit of brevity and titillation, the headline left out the "mostly antiques" part. The purpose of the headline is to get you to read the story, where the sensationalism of the headline is offset by information. Plus, as Farkers, we should all know the truth value of a headline is always near zero.
 
2012-12-18 07:10:39 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This message brought to you by the same people who think it's funny to joke about bombs at the airport.

Luckily they usually get what they deserve. Hope this guy does too. Is/was he actually dangerous? I dont know, never met the guy. If he is then hes on the radar now, if not he needs to learn a good lesson, and be a lesson to others.

pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

The made this thing called "The Constitution" back when they established the United States. It also makes what we are doing right now a "right". Several other things too. You should look it up sometime.


So we should be outraged that he was arrested for exercising his right to free speech?
 
2012-12-18 07:19:04 AM  

vpb: snocone: skullkrusher: maachubo: pippi longstocking: I can't believe that in this country guns are considered a right and not a privileged.

I know! Living in a free society IS awesome! But don't worry, we'll be getting rid of it soon enough.

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore

Once upon a time tyrants cut fingers off to prevent citizens bearing the assault weapons of the day.
Did not work then, weapon control still will not work.

THE PROBLEM IS THE HUMAN, NOT THE WEAPON
ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, you weak frightened fools.
Remote control will not make you safe. Not ever. Safety is your own job. Learn how.

Well, what do you suggest we do about people like you? There are too many of you to lock up.


Just until the FEMA death camps are ready next month. There are 47 of them. Some of them are antiques, but they work just like the newer ones.
 
2012-12-18 07:51:37 AM  

plausdeny: Slaves2Darkness: Yes well if we just outlawed any gun that could take an external magazine, required gun owners to turn those types of fire arms in, and required those guns with an internal magazine to allow no more then two rounds at a time to be loaded into the firearm we would not be worrying about assault rifles and high capacity magazines.

/Yes two shots that is all you get.

That's a great idea!

Just be sure to buy a illegal gun on the black market. You know, to turn over to the SWAT team when they come to search your house for the illegal guns that an anonymous tipster says you have.

Because they're not going to believe you when you say you don't have one.

They're not going to believe you the next week, either.

Don't own anything expensive. SWAT teams are enthusiastic, and those nefarious illegal more-than-two-shot gun nuts like to hide them in places that already have metal in them so metal detectors won't know the difference. That's why they have to open up your computer, HD-TV, car, appliances... you know, all those places the anonymous tipster saw you opening up side panels to hide your guns.


Plus, these guys have searched more houses than you'll visit in a lifetime, Elder Smith. They know where your hiding places are, where the places you think are hiding places are, and where the hiding places you've never even imagined are. That Amish porn stash your wife will never find? They'll have that out before you can wrap your sweaty palm around the search warrant.
 
2012-12-18 08:57:51 AM  
JesseL: Latinwolf: JesseL: Latinwolf: D_Evans45: 47 guns? Just how many guns do you need?

With some people there's never enough. There was a Farker who had a list of all his firearms in his profile and he could have been close to that number.

That could have been me. I'm somewhere in the mid 30s on my collection, limited more by disposable income than desire.

A number of them are heirlooms, going on 5 generations in my family. Some are for hunting, some are for plinking, a couple are for carry, and a couple could be used for defense in a larger scale scenario (though I really just hunt and plink with them).

Of course it's way more than I need. But what does need have to do with anything? I'm no more dangerous with 30 than with 1 - I've only got two hands.

Did you ever have a list of all your guns in your profile, if so than yes it was you, but I can understand heirlooms and collections piece. BTW, what is "plinking" or are the Fark filters playing with some word?

Yep, it was likely me, though I think I've seen lists in other profiles.

Plinking is basically informal target practice, usually not on a designated shooting range. Think "shooting at cans and shiat".


Didn't know it had it's own word. I learn something new on Fark just about every week, this week it's "plinking" and "Hillbilly porn".
 
2012-12-18 11:06:49 AM  

skullkrusher: maachubo:

your current legal arsenal will not be enough to overthrow a tyrant. Owning guns is nothing at all about maintaining a free society anymore


What about me and 20 million determined citizens and *their* arsenals? Combine that with potential (and I believe inevitable) defections from our military to the cause of freedom and you have a very formidable enemy.

But maybe you're right...It's all hopeless, government - particularly terrified people like you - know what's best for everyone else and we should just give up our rights because hey - we have no chance of winning anyway. If the Russians had only told this to the Afghanis or we had dropped similar leaflets on the Vietnamese, the world would be completely different.

I see your point.
 
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