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2012-12-17 08:08:47 PM  

atomicmask: Did anyone go ask the farmers co-op or big agriculture what it thought about the miss use of its Fertilizer? did they apologize?


Anders Breivik set up a business just so he could secretly amass the fertilizer needed to build his bomb and not arouse suspicion.

America is very lucky that we haven't a very methodical mass murderer in a long time.
 
2012-12-17 08:19:12 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Kit Fister: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Kit Fister: When it becomes an issue, I will.

Too late.

You're being selfish.

Grow up.

So judgemental. How about you allow me and my physician decide what issues I have? Why is it selfish for me to continue with my hobby when I'm not a danger to anyone and according to my psychologist healthy and well adjusted aside from stress-related depression?

Anyway, I'm a perfectly cromulent adult who is self aware, but thanks for your medial opinion doc.

Can't wait for the "Farker kills wife, kids, and finally self" Headline..


I find your faith in me underwhelming. Anyway, like I said, I'm more self destructive than anything (I tend to over apologize and go out of my way to be nice to people when I'm depressed, and tend to eat when I'm depressed.)

I've always figured I'd rather leave my guns out of it, some of my friends want the collection, and my thought would be something like a night of debauchery with Mexican hookers and a big syringe of horse tranquilizer if I wanted to go.
 
2012-12-17 08:23:00 PM  
Ya know,
I've been a Farker for a very long time. We've had some great satire filled debates, and some intense arguments bolstered by allegations of fault levied by all sides.
It's been entertaining, so much that we've made DREW a very rich man. That's cool, I've thoroughly enjoyed all of it.

We've come upon the slaughter of children in our own back yard. Yet, as true Farkers, we debate the politics of it. Sniping about gun laws, name calling from the Left , Right and Middle.
As if to say, "it's not my fault, it's the other guy with the wrong ideas."

Well here is an idea for you Farkers, and now,,, I pause. I just don't farkin know. All I know is verbal jousting, ain't gonna bring those kids back.

But as smart as all you farckers claim to be, save your energy for a viable explanation and an enlightened solution.

That is all, you are excused.
 
2012-12-17 08:27:39 PM  
Saudies knock down twin towers, better invade Iraq.

Guy uses hunting rifles to kill kids, better ban assault rifles.

/ya, your argument is that stupid
 
2012-12-17 08:27:52 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Further proof that owning a gun doesn't make you decent or brave.


This.

I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.
 
2012-12-17 08:31:01 PM  

Void_Beavis: I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.



What's to flame. It's wrong and most people will realize that and promptly ignore you and what you have to say about the situation.
 
2012-12-17 08:34:04 PM  

Void_Beavis: The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms


what common sense control was deregulated?
 
2012-12-17 08:42:59 PM  

Mrbogey: Void_Beavis: I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.


What's to flame. It's wrong and most people will realize that and promptly ignore you and what you have to say about the situation.


1). You didn't.

2). If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

3). They do fund politicians who are hell-bent on destroying any form of state funded social safety net, especially those which offer any form of health care. This definitely includes mental health institutions.

4). To deny that reducing the restrictions placed on firearms and increase the number of mentally ill people with access to said firearms is a dangerous social agenda is again, intellectually dishonest.

5). Six year olds are now dead as a direct result of the culture established by these dangerous policies. And don't give me this bullshiat about armed guards either. It only takes a single bullet to take an armed guard out and McHappy Killing Spree moves onto his next helpless victim.

7). If "most people" truly acted as you say, then we are mostly seriously farked up and need to be committed ourselves.

I weep for society. This is some farked up bullshiat right here.
 
2012-12-17 08:46:57 PM  
Void_Beavis SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 08:42:59 PM


Mrbogey: Void_Beavis: I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.


What's to flame. It's wrong and most people will realize that and promptly ignore you and what you have to say about the situation.


2). If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.


You should stop posting. You aren't helping the fight for reasonable gun control laws; in fact, you make those of us who want reasonable gun control laws second guess ourselves when we see that gibberish
 
2012-12-17 08:50:02 PM  

Void_Beavis: If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.


ah ok, so you're just out of your mind.

since you're out of your mind, when your doctor prescribes an antipsychotic and it is dispensed by a pharmacy, your name/address is added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as part of the prohibited persons criteria, therefore of you or someone at that address attempts to purchase a firearm (you have to show proof of residency), it is flagged by the background check system and you are denied sale.

There, an actual direct and meaningful solution to what happened, not lib rambling.
 
2012-12-17 09:00:41 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms

what common sense control was deregulated?


So judging by your handle, this is a waste of my time. Nothing I say will ever convince you.

So instead of trying to become an egg roll (which would be margianally more productive, actually) I'll post some light reading for those who are more sensibly minded.

http://mobile.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-13/for-gun-makers-nra - good-times-get-better

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/11/NRA-Wins-Big-Gun-R i ghts-Case-at-Federal-Appeals-Court-in-Chicago

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2008/06/nra-gets-philly-gun-laws-struck - down.html?m=1

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/26/opinion/etzioni-guns/index.html

http://vacps.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=77:nra- s eeks-to-weaken-background-check-system-in-virginia&catid=36:posts

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9777

I could go on but if you're looking for proof of common sense laws being struck down by NRA supported politicians, you don't need to go far into a Google search to be convinced.

In this case, a mental health evaluation of all those having access to the firearm would have been part of the key.

Something that the NRA stands opposed to...

Anyway, like I said, this is for the more sensible among us. For you, I'll focus on my best egg roll impression.
 
2012-12-17 09:02:41 PM  

Gdalescrboz: Void_Beavis SmartestFunniest 2012-12-17 08:42:59 PM


Mrbogey: Void_Beavis: I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.


What's to flame. It's wrong and most people will realize that and promptly ignore you and what you have to say about the situation.


2). If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

You should stop posting. You aren't helping the fight for reasonable gun control laws; in fact, you make those of us who want reasonable gun control laws second guess ourselves when we see that gibberish


Of whom you are not, instead choosing to exert moral superiority by way of logical fallacy.

Try again.
 
2012-12-17 09:03:39 PM  

Void_Beavis: I could go on but if you're looking for proof of common sense laws being struck down by NRA supported politicians, you don't need to go far into a Google search to be convinced.

In this case, a mental health evaluation of all those having access to the firearm would have been part of the key.

Something that the NRA stands opposed to...

Anyway, like I said, this is for the more sensible among us. For you, I'll focus on my best egg roll impression.


You said removed, not struck down. There is a difference. Most of the proposals are unconstitutional nonsense.

As far as mental health, I gave a solution which targets the people with the mental health hangup, not people with no problem at all (because that would be a blatant infringement).
 
2012-12-17 09:03:51 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

ah ok, so you're just out of your mind.

since you're out of your mind, when your doctor prescribes an antipsychotic and it is dispensed by a pharmacy, your name/address is added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as part of the prohibited persons criteria, therefore of you or someone at that address attempts to purchase a firearm (you have to show proof of residency), it is flagged by the background check system and you are denied sale.

There, an actual direct and meaningful solution to what happened, not lib rambling.


Prescribing requires an actual evaluation to begin with.

Try again.
 
2012-12-17 09:04:32 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: I could go on but if you're looking for proof of common sense laws being struck down by NRA supported politicians, you don't need to go far into a Google search to be convinced.

In this case, a mental health evaluation of all those having access to the firearm would have been part of the key.

Something that the NRA stands opposed to...

Anyway, like I said, this is for the more sensible among us. For you, I'll focus on my best egg roll impression.

You said removed, not struck down. There is a difference. Most of the proposals are unconstitutional nonsense.

As far as mental health, I gave a solution which targets the people with the mental health hangup, not people with no problem at all (because that would be a blatant infringement).


You absolutely did not.
 
2012-12-17 09:07:13 PM  

Void_Beavis: USP .45: Void_Beavis: If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

ah ok, so you're just out of your mind.

since you're out of your mind, when your doctor prescribes an antipsychotic and it is dispensed by a pharmacy, your name/address is added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as part of the prohibited persons criteria, therefore of you or someone at that address attempts to purchase a firearm (you have to show proof of residency), it is flagged by the background check system and you are denied sale.

There, an actual direct and meaningful solution to what happened, not lib rambling.

Prescribing requires an actual evaluation to begin with.

Try again.


Right, by the doctor that prescribes the medication. What are you not getting?
 
2012-12-17 09:08:10 PM  

Void_Beavis: You absolutely did not.


Except that I did. People on whatever medication this kid was clearly on, are added to the prohibited persons database. The end.
 
2012-12-17 09:08:53 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: USP .45: Void_Beavis: If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

ah ok, so you're just out of your mind.

since you're out of your mind, when your doctor prescribes an antipsychotic and it is dispensed by a pharmacy, your name/address is added to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as part of the prohibited persons criteria, therefore of you or someone at that address attempts to purchase a firearm (you have to show proof of residency), it is flagged by the background check system and you are denied sale.

There, an actual direct and meaningful solution to what happened, not lib rambling.

Prescribing requires an actual evaluation to begin with.

Try again.

Right, by the doctor that prescribes the medication. What are you not getting?


Right. So if you've never had an evaluation then there's no need for the prescription. Hence "clean background".

I'm surprised this is so hard for you.
 
2012-12-17 09:12:10 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: You absolutely did not.

Except that I did. People on whatever medication this kid was clearly on, are added to the prohibited persons database. The end.


Except that you didn't. Again, if you never have had an evaluation AND you have access to the firearm, you are a RISK.

I'm actually giving you gun-nuts an out here. I'm not saying ban them entirely, however, if someone at a place of residence has a mental disability where the firearm is owned and maintained, then the permit should not be granted.

Again, common sense.
 
2012-12-17 09:12:20 PM  

Void_Beavis: Right. So if you've never had an evaluation then there's no need for the prescription. Hence "clean background".

I'm surprised this is so hard for you.


Right because people on hardcore antipsychotics just get medical evaluations and are prescribed medications by chance, like a doctor accidentally finding a tumor in a routine xray.
 
2012-12-17 09:15:07 PM  
Probably because no one bombards the facebook page of Budweiser or the various Restaurant associations when someone gets drunk and kills someone-car, fire, whatever.
No one goes and flips out at convenience store fb pages when they sell gasoline and someone uses it for arson.
 
2012-12-17 09:15:51 PM  

Void_Beavis: I'm not saying ban them entirely, however, if someone at a place of residence has a mental disability where the firearm is owned and maintained, then the permit should not be granted.


There are no "permits," you're either allowed to buy or not. The simpler solution is keep track of who is on these types of medications, not assume EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY is a risk. What is a medical evaluation going to reveal? Oh that they're already on antipsychotics...so let's just report who is taking them. They probably shouldn't be allowed pilot's and trucking licenses, etc.

And you call the gun nuts paranoid.
 
2012-12-17 09:16:26 PM  

Kit Fister: madgonad: Kit Fister:
I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

Unless it is .22lr, you are saying you are spending $50k/year on ammo?

Most of it is .22lr. I go through about 3k per month of the major calibers, and burn a thousand on a two day weekend course


I thought my 2-300 rounds, 7-8 times a year was excessive. Add in the cost of traveling to at least one CMP match every year and it gets expensive. Quality ammo hasn't been affordable for a long, long time.
 
2012-12-17 09:16:59 PM  

pedrop357: Probably because no one bombards the facebook page of Budweiser or the various Restaurant associations when someone gets drunk and kills someone-car, fire, whatever.
No one goes and flips out at convenience store fb pages when they sell gasoline and someone uses it for arson.


Doesn't mean that there shouldn't be restrictions.
 
2012-12-17 09:20:52 PM  

USP .45: Void_Beavis: I'm not saying ban them entirely, however, if someone at a place of residence has a mental disability where the firearm is owned and maintained, then the permit should not be granted.

There are no "permits," you're either allowed to buy or not. The simpler solution is keep track of who is on these types of medications, not assume EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY is a risk. What is a medical evaluation going to reveal? Oh that they're already on antipsychotics...so let's just report who is taking them. They probably shouldn't be allowed pilot's and trucking licenses, etc.

And you call the gun nuts paranoid.


It only took one guy to slaughter a school full of six year olds.

Paranoid? So yeah. If I apply for a permit with a house full of undiagnosed psychopaths, as long as I have a clean background, I'm allowed to give them all free access to my firearms. I love your logic. Remind me to steer far away from whatever hole you live in.

Like I said, I'd spend my time better trying to transform into an egg roll than argue with you.
 
2012-12-17 09:24:12 PM  

Void_Beavis: Doesn't mean that there shouldn't be restrictions.


I thought we were talking about why the NRA might have disconnected its fb page.

As for guns, there lots of restrictions, far more then driving cars, buying gas, etc.
 
2012-12-17 09:28:12 PM  

People_are_Idiots: Go back for target practice, copper.


In keeping with the personal awesomeness that allows me to perceive the need for enormously high-capacity, semiautomatic pistols with flare suppressors and shoulder stocks and laser sights and phosphorus rounds (etc)., I am, of course, a crack shot. I could have hit Osama bin Laden right in the jihads from 3 klicks away... with a muzzle loader... and a BB. (And I was getting around to it, too.)

Anyone who suggests that I need guns that piss bullets like the proverbial racehorse because I know I'm a terrible shot, or I don't trust myself to hit the blind side of a barn in an actual crisis, is going to have to deal with my associates, Smith and Wesson. (Those are the nicknames I have for my AR-15s. It's a little joke, because S&W only make pussy guns, like the .44 Magnum. That movie cracks me up, by the way. Can you imagine? He's supposed to be this badass, but he's carrying a revolver. A revolver, for fark's sake! And only one!)

But I digress. Anyway, I would feel more, I don't know, free if I could own weapons that would confuse and intimidate James Bond, so please and thank you.
 
2012-12-17 09:31:18 PM  

Void_Beavis: Paranoid? So yeah. If I apply for a permit with a house full of undiagnosed psychopaths, as long as I have a clean background, I'm allowed to give them all free access to my firearms.


A. an undiagnosed psychopath will pass a mental health evaluation easily and could get their own, much less steal yours. We're not talking about them.

B. a schizophrenic, autistic, or anyone taking strong psychoactives will already have a medical history, and history of prescribed medications.

An eggroll would but forth better rebuttals. You have almost no command of the subject matter.
 
2012-12-17 09:40:32 PM  

Mrbogey: How much time did Adam Lanza have to walk through the school and choose his targets? If he had a bolt action rifle, would it have changed anything?


What would have changed things would be if he hadn't been raised in a culture with a great love of and easy access to guns. The US doesn't have any more mentally ill people than other western countries. The difference is in how many guns the average citizen has access to, and the religious worship of firearms.
 
2012-12-17 09:59:11 PM  

whatshisname: What would have changed things would be if he hadn't been raised in a culture with a great love of and easy access to guns. The US doesn't have any more mentally ill people than other western countries. The difference is in how many guns the average citizen has access to, and the religious worship of firearms.


No, you see that's your projecting your political ideas upon the problem. You're no different than someone saying it's because there's not enough reverence for God.

His easy access was he KILLED someone and took their guns. How's Norway with their gun culture and mental health laws? The place must such because they lost 4 times as many youths in their last attack.
 
2012-12-17 10:00:35 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: The Southern Dandy: All this talk about hunting and home defense is fatuous Jeffrey. The 2nd amendment makes no mention of hunting or personal defense. However, it does mention a militia, which connotes warfare, and in the same sentence it mentions the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms. Good luck fighting a modern military using only breech loaders and 5 round magazines.

It's funny that a lot of NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters are arguing that keeping guns in the hands of civilians would prevent or stop these events, but how many of these mass shootings were actually prevented or stopped by armed civilians?


The shootings in gun-free zones or other ones?
 
2012-12-17 10:11:37 PM  
They can spend millions on lobbyists to talk behind closed doors to keep guns unregulated, they can and will defend themselves from an armed intruder, but they can't take a little criticism on facebook?

NRA QQ
 
2012-12-17 10:18:06 PM  
I think the NRA had to take the Facebook page down so the guy who runs it could be assigned to write new fund raising bile.


Something to the tune of "Pay no attention to the dead childruns, we still need a gazillion guns each before Obummer makes them illegul."

Pity you can't fix crazy. I think no one should own more than 10 guns but you'd never get anyone at the NRA to take that as a compromise.

No good to outlaw them when they can be made out of ball point pens.
 
2012-12-17 10:21:14 PM  

Mrbogey: No, you see that's your projecting your political ideas upon the problem.


No, that's me pointing out statistics.
 
2012-12-17 10:22:01 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Dead for Tax Reasons: RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

Apparently, guns don't kill people, movies kill people.

No, it's the violent video games

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"Hay guize, what's going on in this thread?"


dammit in 1999 they cancelled his damn concert. i had a date with a hot girl and everything. still dated the girl for a while, but still she was super crazy and that would have been a great night!
 
2012-12-17 10:24:51 PM  

whatshisname: No, that's me pointing out statistics.


Okay, which statistics? The one that shows other countries with extensive gun bans became more violent after they banned them or violence never receded? Or that mass shootings are essentially a statistical bump in the grand scheme of American violence?
 
2012-12-17 10:36:15 PM  
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Mrbogey: Void_Beavis: I blame the NRA for this. 100 percent.

You can't really blame anyone else on this one and expect things to change in the future.

The NRA funds politicians who de-regulate common sense controls over dangerous firearms - the same politicians who strike down any and all funding for state-run mental health institutions.

Sorry. You can flame me all you want. I don't care. But some asshole has got to take some responsibility for promoting dangerous social policy which leads to farking 6 year olds getting slaughtered like pigs.


What's to flame. It's wrong and most people will realize that and promptly ignore you and what you have to say about the situation.


2). If the NRA had their way, there would be vending machines with semi-automatic weapons at every strip-mall in america. To believe otherwise is just being dishonest.

You should stop posting. You aren't helping the fight for reasonable gun control laws; in fact, you make those of us who want reasonable gun control laws second guess ourselves when we see that gibberish

Of whom you are not, instead choosing to exert moral superiority by way of logical fallacy.

Try again.


Ya, because I enjoy seeing 20 kindergarten kids shot. Is that who you think is on the other side of your debate? No wonder you're ideas are so farking outlandish
 
2012-12-17 10:48:00 PM  

Mrbogey: Okay, which statistics? The one that shows other countries with extensive gun bans became more violent after they banned them or violence never receded?


No, the ones that show deaths by guns in the US compared to other western democracies.
 
2012-12-17 10:49:25 PM  
I've been an NRA life member for 30+ years. And I am, to be honest, quite offended by the posters here who claim to speak for the NRA.

Let me tell you what the NRA stands for. We have spent decades, or a century, training our country's police and military. We have spent century showing the country that law-abiding citizens are beacons of society. We have spent decades, insisting that criminals who use guns in their crimes are prosecuted to the maximum of the existing laws. We have spent decades, to promote laws that prosecute criminals who use guns.

Sadly, we have spent decades defending ourselves against people who equate our millions of NRA members, with the few criminals, who violate laws against country and mankind. Even worse, we have spent these decades trying to show how criminals are not the same as honest people. Any logical person will immediately understand that criminals do not follow laws. Yet, the intellectual lazy and logically impaired people, take the easy way out and blame all gun owners, rather than the law breakers.

As a law obiding gun owner, it offends me that the intellectual lazy equate me with the one in a million criminals.
 
2012-12-17 10:54:53 PM  

djh0101010: As a law obiding gun owner, it offends me that the intellectual lazy equate me with the one in a million criminals.


Then quit giving them guns.
 
2012-12-17 10:58:22 PM  

Red_Fox: Gyrfalcon: The guns were legally obtained and otherwise lawful. The only person responsible here was the shooter. Period.

Had they been illegal in the first place they wouldn't have been there for him to take. What part about that aren't you grasping?


....blink.....

Oh, I grasp that point fine.

But they WERE there and he DID take them, so blaming anyone retroactively is pretty lame. If my aunt had been born with balls, she would have been my uncle, but since she wasn't, why are we even having this conversation?
 
2012-12-17 11:03:21 PM  

RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

Apparently, guns don't kill people, movies kill people.


I think his point was that Hollywood has as much to do with this as the NRA.

What could the NRA have possibly said that would appease those who hate them? I don't blame them for essentially saying "no comment".
 
2012-12-17 11:10:50 PM  

mizchief: irreverend mother: I think the NRA had to take the Facebook page down so the guy who runs it could be assigned to write new fund raising bile.


Something to the tune of "Pay no attention to the dead childruns, we still need a gazillion guns each before Obummer makes them illegul."

Pity you can't fix crazy. I think no one should own more than 10 guns but you'd never get anyone at the NRA to take that as a compromise.

No good to outlaw them when they can be made out of ball point pens.

Hows this for a marketing campaign. I'm donating a dollar to the NRA for every comment I read form uniqune posters calling for an all out ban on guns.

Anyone else want to join me?


Crickets.
 
2012-12-17 11:30:04 PM  
I'm not surprised that the Nutty Raving Assholes are cowards.
 
2012-12-17 11:44:08 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Forget banning assault rifles. We need to ban hands, fists and feet. They're the real killers. They kill twice as many people as rifles do.

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ok someone pls edumacate me here.. other than handguns, rifles and shotguns what 'other' type of guns are there which contribute to these hundred or so murders every year?
are they saying that every year about 100 American are killed by miniguns, machine guns or chain guns?
I don't recall reading in the news about a bunch of folks mowed down by an M-60 or a 12.5 mm 6 barrel minigun.
 
2012-12-17 11:48:41 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Forget banning assault rifles. We need to ban hands, fists and feet. They're the real killers. They kill twice as many people as rifles do.

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also TSD is a dumbass with severe critical thinking skills. It's not the total aggregate amount of murders based on annual statistics. It's about the ability to inflict mass casualties per incident of violence.

Unless you can provide examples where someone using only their fists and legs can easily kill 30 people in 10 minutes your thinking is totally flawed and assinine.
 
2012-12-18 12:12:44 AM  
I'm 54 years old, graduated high school in 1976, growing up every pickup truck in the high school parking lot had a gun in it. Every house had a gun near the front door. We didn't have the violence back then as we do now. So how's it the guns fault?
 
2012-12-18 12:15:25 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Acting like the guilty enablers of child murder that they are.

No?

Then why act guilty?


I'm sorry were you refering to the more than 3000 abortions completed every day?
 
2012-12-18 12:26:33 AM  

The Southern Dandy: Forget banning assault rifles. We need to ban hands, fists and feet. They're the real killers. They kill twice as many people as rifles do.

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From the same data ... over half of all murders in the US are committed with hand guns, devices whose primary design function is to kill human beings. More than any other method, including all other types of guns and weapons.

Here's a reality check:

1. The second amendment, as envisaged by its authors, has no relevance today. In no way, shape or form could gun enthusiasts overthrow the government and the US military.

2. US society would be safer if there were far fewer guns and less types of guns. Yes, it will take a long time to put the djinn back in the bottle, but it was done successfully in the UK and Australia anfd can be done here.

3. All criminally owned guns start out as legally owned guns. Restricting the ultimate source of supply does eventually have an impact on downstream availability.

4. Strict gun controls are not inconsistent with a thriving recreational firearms and shooting industry (c.f. Scotland)

5. While incidents like school shootings grab the headlines, the real opportunity to save lives is making sure the average person who has a bad day doesn't have a lethal weapon in their possession to facilitate doing something regrettable and tragic. The father of two in Phildelphia who complains to his neighbor about dog turds shouldn't be at risk of being shot.

6. Pistols as "home defence" are a statistically proven crock of shiat. See 5. above.

7. It's time to start with a clean sheet of paper and consider new gun laws ... here's what I am thinking:

- no guns designed for killing humans allowed in private hands
- limited number of types of guns, to facilitate legitimate sports uses
- .22 rifles for target shooting, single shot load only
- 12 gauge shotguns for bambis, bunnies, etc.
- locked gun cabinet, inspected periodically by police
- all guns tracked, accounted for, shown to police annually
- forensic test fires from all guns taken by manufacturer and kept on file
- limits on quantities of guns and ammo held by each person
- collectable guns not covered by the above have to be permanently disabled

7. Yes, someone can make their own gun. Yes, they can strangle a kid with a shoelace or make a bomb. But as the philosopher Izzard observes: "Guns don't kill people. People kill people. But I think you'll find the gun helps". We don't have to make it easy for them.

8. Implementing an Australian-like reduction in guns will save thousands of lives a year within a couple of decades. The data doesn't lie. Yes it can work in America, you are not special. 200 years ago everyone thought their life would be over if they couldn't own black people, and the south is still here.
 
2012-12-18 12:26:34 AM  

The Muthaship: It's funny how much overlap there is between people that want vastly more stringent gun ownership restrictions, and people that want more government control of everything.

And yet, the gun owners are the cowards.


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Republicans want smaller Governmen and less taxest; Democrats want larger Government with more laws every day. Democrats want to govern what you eat, what you drive, how to get your electricity, Democrats want to increase taxes and increase rules on businesses. When you see all these new laws like watering you yard on off days or your school gets fined because a kid gave someone a cookie or you get a ticket in the mail from a traffic camera that is all Democrats...
 
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