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2012-12-17 03:56:48 PM  

Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: LOL now dem senators are crying about assault weapons bans, which still would have done nothing in this case as the killer used pistols. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Never stop posting in ignorance.

Link

Authorities recovered three semi-automatic firearms next to Adam Lanza: a .223 caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, a 10mm Glock handgun, and a 9mm SIG Sauer handgun...police say Lanza used the rifle against most of the victims. According to the medical examiner, all victims were shot with the same "long weapon" and were hit multiple times.

My bad... still... how that ban on heroin working for ya?


So, you shift from being factually inaccurate to moving the goalposts? OK.

How how many mass murders by heroin overdose have you seen recently? Besides, if I'm stopped by a cop with heroin in my car, I'm going to jail. If I'm stopped with a couple of Bushmasters in my car, no problem (I'm in Texas - other states may be different). Assuming I'm just cited for speeding or let off with a warning, I'm free to go do whatever I was on my way to do before being stopped.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:55 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Tax, title and registration need some kind of identification.


Umm no....you do not need to do any of those things to own a car.......you do need to do that in case you are driving on public roads and get pulled over though.

Ever watch COPS?
 
2012-12-17 03:57:02 PM  
Americans believe that if anyone under a certain age sees or hears about sex or nudity in music, movies, tv shows or video games the kids will be damaged for life. But violence will have no effect at all.

/Love is bad
//Violence is neutral
///Money is God
 
2012-12-17 03:57:27 PM  

Kit Fister:


I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).


You take bi-polar meds and you claim to be healthy?
 
2012-12-17 03:58:01 PM  

thomps: i thought gun ownership meant never having to run away from potential conflict


That's because you have no idea what gun ownership actually about.
 
2012-12-17 03:59:45 PM  

Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).


And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.
 
2012-12-17 03:59:47 PM  
Okay, being this guy would suck.

"The shooter killed two victims, and seriously injured a teenage girl, but upon seeing an armed citizen ready to shoot back, Roberts ended the killing there by taking his own life.

As the KGW report notes, even police in Oregon have failed to acknowledge Meli's role, with the Sheriff crediting only local officers and deputies with "hunting down" the shooter. In reality, the shooter was already dead when police found him."

http://www.infowars.com/armed-citizen-not-police-prevented-massacre-i n -oregon/
 
2012-12-17 04:00:43 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


Fox News?
 
2012-12-17 04:02:47 PM  

Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).



I wonder if it is even legal for you to own one gun. I think both Fed and State laws prohibit the mentally ill from possessing guns, right? Are you admitting, in an open forum, that you are mentally ill and a gun nut?
 
2012-12-17 04:04:57 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: rufus-t-firefly: Joe Blowme: LOL now dem senators are crying about assault weapons bans, which still would have done nothing in this case as the killer used pistols. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Never stop posting in ignorance.

Link

Authorities recovered three semi-automatic firearms next to Adam Lanza: a .223 caliber Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, a 10mm Glock handgun, and a 9mm SIG Sauer handgun...police say Lanza used the rifle against most of the victims. According to the medical examiner, all victims were shot with the same "long weapon" and were hit multiple times.

My bad... still... how that ban on heroin working for ya?

So, you shift from being factually inaccurate to moving the goalposts? OK.

How how many mass murders by heroin overdose have you seen recently? Besides, if I'm stopped by a cop with heroin in my car, I'm going to jail. If I'm stopped with a couple of Bushmasters in my car, no problem (I'm in Texas - other states may be different). Assuming I'm just cited for speeding or let off with a warning, I'm free to go do whatever I was on my way to do before being stopped.


No asshat i was going off the info yesterday which said he used 2 pistols
 
2012-12-17 04:05:17 PM  

Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.


^^^^^^^^^^
Something we can all agree on!
 
2012-12-17 04:05:35 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: onyxruby: IlGreven: onyxruby: This issue has nothing to do with guns, they are the red herring.

People can keep saying this. It doesn't make it true. Even if a majority of people believe it, it doesn't make it true.

Just curious, do you try to get cars banned because of the very large number of people killed by them every year? This is a people issue, just like drunk driving.

Really, keep using the "CARS KILL PEOPLE TOO!" argument. It definitely makes a good point - for more regulations on firearms. 

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See, a drunk driver can be caught before he kills anyone, because the mere act of driving drunk is illegal. However, we usually find out that some whackjob had an arsenal only AFTER he kills a couple dozen people because we don't track ammo purchases or require registration of all firearms across the board.

But you only need cash to buy a car.
You do not nead a license or training or good health.

Tax, title and registration need some kind of identification.

But, since you're pointing out some small details, I take it you're OK with requiring insurance and registration of all firearms? It's a start.


I think registration sounds good, until you realize that it still only traces back to the legal owner after the fact (which can be done now, since if you have the gun, you can trace the serial number back to last person to fill out the 4473 paperwork where it was purchased.) Takes more leg work than running the serial number in a database, but it makes it far less likely to be abused.

And, insurance against what? Accidental discharge? I'm pretty sure that firearms used against a person intentionally are either going to be done so criminally (in which case people can sue and take whatever you own), or legitimately in cases of self defense (in which case, depending on state law, you're not liable for any civil action anyway).

So, in the exceedingly rare cases of accidental discharge resulting in death or injury, what, exactly, does it accomplish? Or are you expecting that insurance companies will do for you what the government might not (make costs so prohibitively expensive, you're passing a defacto ban on them for anyone but the wealthy who can afford it?)

Better to attack the problem from the identification and treatment of mentally ill individuals, along with a review of exactly what HAS changed given the recent, marked upswing in these incidents (since this seems to be a frequent phenomenon only within the past 20 years or so).

Further, I think gun owners would be happy, or at least accepting, of paying for the treatment programs by adding, say, a 5-10% tax on the firearm purchase and/or bullets.

A lot less likely to fark over lawful gun owners and provide little to no effect on criminals, and a lot more likely to make a difference.

While we're on the subject, too, how about we legalize drugs and implement programs to help people with addiction problems? Considering that about 80% of all firearm-related violence occurs in drug-related incidents, this alone would have a much larger impact on violent crime in this country. Think of all the money we'd save on incarceration and such, too.

Hell, with some of the money coming in from taxing the newly-legal drugs, we can probably pay to buy up and convert some of these prisons into mental health treatment centers, since they're already there.

Finally, I have no problems with requirements to keep firearms stored securely in a safe or other locked container. Plenty of compliant devices exist that even allow for quick access to them the event of a break-in, and when not in use, this prevents them from being readily available to thieves.

Oh! Here's an idea, how about, with all the extra manpower and time available after we stop sending cops on drug busts, we have them available to patrol schools and shopping malls, on the off chance that they'll be there to stop something like this from happening?
 
2012-12-17 04:05:35 PM  

Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.


How would this be enforced? We're basically talking about establishing second class citizens and annexing medical records by the government; a maintained by a central database most logically operated by the DEA, that monitors a new schedule of prescriptions (antipsychotics, etc) that when prescribed strip the ability to own firearms. I see no other way to do it, if it should be done.
 
2012-12-17 04:06:33 PM  

jaybeezey: thomps: i thought gun ownership meant never having to run away from potential conflict

That's because you have no idea what gun ownership actually about.


so shoot me
 
2012-12-17 04:06:59 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Kit Fister:


I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

You take bi-polar meds and you claim to be healthy?


Blood Pressure, moron. :)
 
2012-12-17 04:08:08 PM  

Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.


*sigh* BLOOD PRESSURE, not BIPOLAR.
 
2012-12-17 04:08:45 PM  

Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Is it wrong for me to take such pleasure in watching the GOP branding itself the Pro-School Massacre Party?

It fits nicely with the Pro-Rape, Pro-Greed and Pro-Torture planks in their platform. LOL. Enjoy GOP.

What have liberals done to stop rape greed and torture?


Oppose the GOP.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:30 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).


I wonder if it is even legal for you to own one gun. I think both Fed and State laws prohibit the mentally ill from possessing guns, right? Are you admitting, in an open forum, that you are mentally ill and a gun nut?


I like how you bolded how many rounds he shoots. That's peanuts for many enthusiasts and competitive shooters.

Anyways, when anyone buys a gun from a dealer:

_____________________________________________________________________ _ ____________________________________
Federal Categories of Persons Prohibited From Receiving

A delay response from the NICS Section indicates the subject of the background check has been matched with either a state or federal potentially prohibiting record containing a similar name and/or similar descriptive features (name, sex, race, date of birth, state of residence, social security number, height, weight, or place of birth). The federally prohibiting criteria are as follows:

A person who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year or any state offense classified by the state as a misdemeanor and is punishable by a term of imprisonment of more than two years.
Persons who are fugitives of justice-for example, the subject of an active felony or misdemeanor warrant.
An unlawful user and/or an addict of any controlled substance; for example, a person convicted for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year; or a person with multiple arrests for the use or possession of a controlled substance within the past five years with the most recent arrest occurring within the past year; or a person found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided the test was administered within the past year.
A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs, including dispositions to criminal charges of found not guilty by reason of insanity or found incompetent to stand trial.
A person who, being an alien, is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.
A person who, being an alien except as provided in subsection (y) (2), has been admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant visa.
A person dishonorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces.
A person who has renounced his/her United States citizenship.
The subject of a protective order issued after a hearing in which the respondent had notice that restrains them from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such partner. This does not include ex parte orders.
A person convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime which includes the use or attempted use of physical force or threatened use of a deadly weapon and the defendant was the spouse, former spouse, parent, guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited in the past with the victim as a spouse, parent, guardian or similar situation to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.
A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:35 PM  

IMIX: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Is it wrong for me to take such pleasure in watching the GOP branding itself the Pro-School Massacre Party?

It fits nicely with the Pro-Rape, Pro-Greed and Pro-Torture planks in their platform. LOL. Enjoy GOP.

What have liberals done to stop rape greed and torture?

Oppose the GOP.


Psst, gitmo is still open, and we're still killing civilians with drones, so...not so much?
 
2012-12-17 04:10:09 PM  

Kit Fister: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

*sigh* BLOOD PRESSURE, not BIPOLAR.


Well than I appologize.

Charlie Mike.....
 
2012-12-17 04:11:26 PM  

Kit Fister: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

*sigh* BLOOD PRESSURE, not BIPOLAR.



Based on your posts, it could have gone either way.
 
2012-12-17 04:12:30 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

^^^^^^^^^^
Something we can all agree on!


I'm going to assume thats "blood pressure" and not "bipolar."

Beyond that, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUNS YOU OWN. 
 
2012-12-17 04:13:05 PM  

IMIX: Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Is it wrong for me to take such pleasure in watching the GOP branding itself the Pro-School Massacre Party?

It fits nicely with the Pro-Rape, Pro-Greed and Pro-Torture planks in their platform. LOL. Enjoy GOP.

What have liberals done to stop rape greed and torture?

Oppose the GOP.

.
But if all of the massacres and daily drive bys are happening in progressive utopias, wouldn't it make sense to ban anyone registered as a Democrat from owning a gun? We already know who you are and where you live, so its not like we need to create a new database, and you already don't want the guns you obviously have. This seem like a win-win all the way around.
 
2012-12-17 04:13:12 PM  

Giltric: rufus-t-firefly: Tax, title and registration need some kind of identification.

Umm no....you do not need to do any of those things to own a car.......you do need to do that in case you are driving on public roads and get pulled over though.


The anti-regulation guys are the ones who love to talk about cars. The point is that cars ARE regulated - if you take that car onto the road, you can be stopped for not having any of those items. A gun is a different story. Ever hear of someone trying to conceal a car and take it inside a shopping mall?

And the car is registered regardless. Even if you don't transfer the title. Of course, the person with the title in his name is responsible for the car after you buy it...

So let's just start with that first item - make sure every firearm is registered with an owner and location. If that weapon is used in a crime, you are responsible.
 
2012-12-17 04:13:31 PM  

Jarhead_h: Okay, being this guy would suck.

"The shooter killed two victims, and seriously injured a teenage girl, but upon seeing an armed citizen ready to shoot back, Roberts ended the killing there by taking his own life.

As the KGW report notes, even police in Oregon have failed to acknowledge Meli's role, with the Sheriff crediting only local officers and deputies with "hunting down" the shooter. In reality, the shooter was already dead when police found him."

http://www.infowars.com/armed-citizen-not-police-prevented-massacre-i n -oregon/


Is he now claiming to have "confronted" the shooter? Because he originally said only that although he had the shooter in his sight, he stayed hidden and didn't fire because he was afraid of hitting a bystander. Various right wing publications used headlines implying that he confronted the shooter, but the actual stories said no such thing.
 
2012-12-17 04:14:26 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Kit Fister: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

*sigh* BLOOD PRESSURE, not BIPOLAR.


Based on your posts, it could have gone either way.


Fair point, however, while i do see a therapist for being mildly autistic (aspergers) and occasional depression, nothing nearly so horrible.

I've also already made arrangements with my wife and family that should I get worse, my therapist will call and notify them, and they will quietly remove the firearms from my home before I even get there.

Further, if anything, I tend to be self-destructive and not violent, so I have figured to voluntarily disarm and get rid of my guns at the point where my depression gets bad enough to even start considering violence or suicide.

I guess i'm one of the few people out there that's at least willing to own up to the fact that, should i have a problem, I need to have a contingency plan.
 
2012-12-17 04:15:44 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: david_gaithersburg: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

^^^^^^^^^^
Something we can all agree on!

I'm going to assume thats "blood pressure" and not "bipolar."

Beyond that, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUNS YOU OWN.


Actually, I just recounted, I'm up to 18. Added a few to my collection recently.
 
2012-12-17 04:16:59 PM  

Kit Fister: Insatiable Jesus: Kit Fister: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

*sigh* BLOOD PRESSURE, not BIPOLAR.


Based on your posts, it could have gone either way.

Fair point, however, while i do see a therapist for being mildly autistic (aspergers) and occasional depression, nothing nearly so horrible.

I've also already made arrangements with my wife and family that should I get worse, my therapist will call and notify them, and they will quietly remove the firearms from my home before I even get there.

Further, if anything, I tend to be self-destructive and not violent, so I have figured to voluntarily disarm and get rid of my guns at the point where my depression gets bad enough to even start considering violence or suicide.

I guess i'm one of the few people out there that's at least willing to own up to the fact that, should i have a problem, I need to have a contingency plan.


29.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-17 04:17:13 PM  

USP .45: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

How would this be enforced? We're basically talking about establishing second class citizens and annexing medical records by the government; a maintained by a central database most logically operated by the DEA, that monitors a new schedule of prescriptions (antipsychotics, etc) that when prescribed strip the ability to own firearms. I see no other way to do it, if it should be done.


State laws currently prohibit people diagnosed with certain conditions from getting a drivers license.
 
2012-12-17 04:18:46 PM  

Kit Fister: I've also already made arrangements with my wife and family that should I get worse, my therapist will call and notify them, and they will quietly remove the firearms from my home before I even get there.


Do THEY know how many guns you own?
 
2012-12-17 04:19:35 PM  

someonelse: USP .45: Giltric: Kit Fister: I take BP meds, otherwise i'm healthy. I own, probably, 16 or 17 guns, combination of pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc.

I keep at any given time about 5,000 rounds of the common calibers (considering I shoot 2-3000 rounds per weekend, I'm ordering fairly frequently).

And this is where someone like me who passionately supports the RKBA says without snark that you should not own firearms.

How would this be enforced? We're basically talking about establishing second class citizens and annexing medical records by the government; a maintained by a central database most logically operated by the DEA, that monitors a new schedule of prescriptions (antipsychotics, etc) that when prescribed strip the ability to own firearms. I see no other way to do it, if it should be done.

State laws currently prohibit people diagnosed with certain conditions from getting a drivers license.


Driving is not a constitutional rights issue like medical privacy and self-defense.
 
2012-12-17 04:21:19 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Kit Fister: I've also already made arrangements with my wife and family that should I get worse, my therapist will call and notify them, and they will quietly remove the firearms from my home before I even get there.

Do THEY know how many guns you own?


Yes. I keep an FFL-style A&D book in the gun safe that logs serial numbers, type, and source of all of my firearms purchases. Plus, they have the combinations and keys where appropriate. Further, I keep a backup copy of my records with no less than two law enforcement friends, in case of fire, theft, or some other loss to my records. I'm considering updating it to be a Google Doc spreadsheet that my friends and family can access, so it's electronic and there's not so much mailing of papers and such when things change.

Finally, all of my firearms not in use are stored with ammo stored separately (as in, kept in a dry box in my shop about 100 yards away from the house where the gun safe is).
 
2012-12-17 04:21:37 PM  
Too many folk are not quite making it over the Cuckoo's Nest.

//challenge accepted?
 
2012-12-17 04:23:06 PM  
www.mattbors.com
 
2012-12-17 04:27:20 PM  

Zeno-25: dittybopper: It's a smart move, so as to remove the possibility of comments by idiots who may belong to the NRA (and every organization has idiots, the NRA is not immune to that).

Probably this. I'm sure we will see a full-throated defense of the current status quo on gun control once all of the emotions calm down a bit.

After all, reinstating the AWB wouldn't have prevented this tragedy, or any of the recent other ones. Most of these massacres are comitted with semi-auto handguns, and good luck getting a blanket ban on any semi-autos past the Supreme Court anytime in the next couple decades.

A fundamental change in the way our society approaches mental illness is the only thing that could have prevented this. We need professionals in schools who can evaluate at-risk individuals, maybe create a blacklist of people with serious illnesses which would be integrated into the background check process. It would have to be pretty invasive, though, as even just putting those who have been involuntarily comitted on such a list wouldn't have stopped most of these tragedies.

We don't have a gun control problem, we have a crazy control problem.


You would be granting an enormous amount of power to the mental health professionals to lock people up without trials. One psychologist's dangerous sociopath would just be a quirky kid to another. If you are thinking that these diagnoses are well-defined and well agreed-upon you would be wrong. Remember how not so long ago homosexuality was considered a disease? Hell, regular medical doctors often disagree on diagnoses for physical diseases. It's thousands of times worse trying to define something as nebulous as mental health.
 
2012-12-17 04:27:59 PM  

Giltric: Insatiable Jesus: Is it wrong for me to take such pleasure in watching the GOP branding itself the Pro-School Massacre Party?

It fits nicely with the Pro-Rape, Pro-Greed and Pro-Torture planks in their platform. LOL. Enjoy GOP.

What have liberals done to stop rape greed and torture?


Well with the exception of their families and well connect friends in Hollywood, they are trying their hardest to make us all equally poor and dependent on the govt. I guess that's trying to eliminate the greed part.
 
2012-12-17 04:29:30 PM  

Kazan: the answer to his question is MEDIA COVERAGE

the way the media obsesses and sensationalizes these tragedies is creating more of them Link


Yep. You want to be the most famous "bad-ass" in the country for 15 minutes, go kill a bunch of people. Everybody will know who you are! What unknown loser could want more? Of course, never releasing their name or picture so that they die anonymously is out of the question, that would be censorship...

PreMortem: Court ordered mandatory psychological exam, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Well, you see they have rights. And the rights of a few dangerous whack jobs are more important than the constitutionally guaranteed rights of millions and millions of law abiding citizens
 
2012-12-17 04:30:17 PM  

EViLTeW: Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.

Except for the arsonists, and the bombers, and the people driving vehicles through crowds, and the serial killers.. so I guess bad people find a way regardless of firearm access.


this poses the interesting question of what this crazy would have done instead ...
Gotten some homemade explosives and propane tanks and chemicals and god knows what.
And then filled up a truck and crashed it through the schools doors.
KABOOM

OR easier still
some chains and locks
some gas cans
locked all the exits
spread the gas everywhere
torched the building

shudder
 
2012-12-17 04:34:33 PM  

USP .45:
Federal Categories of Persons Prohibited From Receiving
...
A person adjudicated mental defective or involuntarily committed to a mental institution or incompetent to handle own affairs


Well, thank goodness. I feel safer already.

So, if you voluntarily commit yourself, you can have all the guns you want. Or, if you're just psychotic but medicated, you can buy weapons - we just have to hope that you keep taking your meds. Oh, wait - that won't even be on record, so anyone with antisocial personality disorder is free to head down to a gun dealer and buy whatever he wants. No interviews, no references, nothing. So long as he has no criminal record and hasn't been involuntarily committed, he's good to go.

When you look at what we know about Sandy Hook, we know that the laws as they are did jack shiat. Maybe if his mother had to answer a few questions like "Does anyone in your home have a form of mental illness?" those guns would not have been available to him. Of course, if she was stockpiling weapons and ammo for some apocalyptic event as has been reported, then the mental issue should have been caught in the purchaser, not in the home.

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Marsha said [Nancy] had turned her home 'into a fortress'. She added: 'Nancy had a survivalist philosophy which is why she was stockpiling guns. She had them for defense.

'She was stockpiling food. She grew up on a farm in New Hampshire. She was skilled with guns. We talked about preppers and preparing for the economy collapsing.'


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Two days before the massacre, Lanza went to a sporting goods store in Danbury, Connecticut, and tried to buy a rifle. He was turned down because he did not want to undergo a background check or abide by the state's waiting period for gun sales.

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But, he had the weapons at home, so he was free to do what he wanted to with them. Hell, under Connecticut law he couldn't have the pistols since he was 20 years old, but the Bushmaster was OK.

Adam Lanza was too young to legally own or carry handguns under Connecticut law.

The system works!
 
2012-12-17 04:35:37 PM  

Kit Fister: I keep an FFL-style A&D book in the gun safe that logs serial numbers, type, and source of all of my firearms purchases.


Look, if you REALLY love your family and you REALLY think you need a contingency plan then you REALLY need to get another hobby. If you get worse likely the first thing you'll do is stop seeing your therapist so your family will get no notice.

Shoot with a friend, continue to advocate for 2A rights, Fark til your eyes bleed and take up archery and paintball.

Get rid of those guns.
 
2012-12-17 04:37:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


Canada watches the SAME movies and TV shows. Mass killings virtually non existent.
 
2012-12-17 04:43:17 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Well, thank goodness. I feel safer already.

So, if you voluntarily commit yourself, you can have all the guns you want. Or, if you're just psychotic but medicated, you can buy weapons - we just have to hope that you keep taking your meds. Oh, wait - that won't even be on record, so anyone with antisocial personality disorder is free to head down to a gun dealer and buy whatever he wants.


What I would suggest is the prescription information pharmacies are required to store be added to the current state background check databases. Since both name of the prescribed, address, and drug are stored - if it's an anti-psychotic, that address (if not both name and address) will be flagged when an attempt to purchase is made. That way A. the person prescribed the anti-psychotic cannot purchase B. the household cannot purchase (you have to provide proof of residency when buying a firearm from a dealer). 

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is a point-of-sale system for determining eligibility to purchase a firearm in the United States of America. Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders are generally required by law to use the NICS to determine if it is legal to sell a firearm to a prospective purchaser. The NICS determines if the buyer is prohibited from buying a firearm under the Gun Control Act of 1968. It is linked to the National Crime Information Center and the Interstate Identification Index among other databases maintained by the FBI.
 
2012-12-17 04:45:03 PM  

vudutek: wow, 10lbofbatshiat got a lot of bites.
8.5/10


Trolling an NRA thread days after Sandy Hook should give you a handicap of -5000.
 
2012-12-17 04:47:37 PM  

rufus-t-firefly:
Do you own a lot of guns? Fine. Did you buy a lot of guns and ammo in a short amount of time? Perhaps you need to be interviewed to find out if you're going through a divorce, or stopped taking your meds...

Perhaps a well-timed "Do you have any mentally ill people in your household? Are your weapons secured against others using the weapons without your knowledge?" might have helped prevent this particular massacre.


Jesus. Is this really the kind of world that you want to live in?
 
2012-12-17 04:49:02 PM  

Altitude5280: Canada watches the SAME movies and TV shows. Mass killings virtually non existent.


Um, we've had a few. This is a mental-health issue - not necessarily an "American" one.
 
2012-12-17 04:53:40 PM  

IlGreven: How many cars were used for even single murders last year


A quick google search shows more than 10,000 people were murdered by drunks with cars in 2010.
 
2012-12-17 04:56:02 PM  
Forget banning assault rifles. We need to ban hands, fists and feet. They're the real killers. They kill twice as many people as rifles do.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-17 04:59:22 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Kit Fister: I keep an FFL-style A&D book in the gun safe that logs serial numbers, type, and source of all of my firearms purchases.

Look, if you REALLY love your family and you REALLY think you need a contingency plan then you REALLY need to get another hobby. If you get worse likely the first thing you'll do is stop seeing your therapist so your family will get no notice.

Shoot with a friend, continue to advocate for 2A rights, Fark til your eyes bleed and take up archery and paintball.

Get rid of those guns.


No. When it becomes an issue, I will. I believe in being overprepared hence the contingency plan. Getting a little down because of stress isn't something I see getting much worse.
 
2012-12-17 04:59:54 PM  
ah the NRA cowards....

they were probably too busy humping Zombie Heston
 
2012-12-17 05:00:29 PM  

TypoFlyspray: Course, when the character assassination of Joe Scarborough beings (which it surely will anon), you'll be able, if you're very good at this sort of thing, to follow the funding right back to the NRA.


I don't know about character assasination, but I saw his antics this morning as I got ready for work. He and his band of idiots had no idea what they were talking about as far as guns are concerned, despite numerous claims of growing up around guns and hunting. He deserves to be called out on saying the AR-15 SEMIautomatic rifle will fire off 30 rounds per second. The fully automatic military version will only fire off 13rps.

Other gems included calling a Glock an assault weapon (and I swear I heard them mention that it too has a 30rps rate of fire) and mentioning that people can buy miniguns. Someone needs to bombard their page with links to the Cracked article which explain why the minigun is a moot point, between weight and the fact that no average human can carry and fire the son of a biatch, despite what they saw in Predator. There's also the fact that they're rare and run almost half a million bucks.

At least Mika had the sense to accept that she knows shiat about guns and sat there silent and scowling. Of course, unless she's reading a teleprompter or stuttering emotionally in disagreement, that's all she seems to do anyway.

Honestly, after I heard Wolf Blitzer ask someone "Do hunters need semiautomatic rifles to hunt?" yesterday, I knew the derp was gonna be stronger on MSNBC. I just had no idea I was gonna end up all:

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Don't get me wrong, I fully expected the gun control people to go off the deep end, but I had hoped that after the years of ridicule over their issues with getting their facts straight, they would've done some god damned research this time. Instead, they sound more ridiculous than ever. Yes, it's a tragedy and people on both sides are emotional, but for the love of god, be rational and make sure your argument is backed by facts, not bullshiat and hyperbole.
 
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