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2012-12-17 02:21:31 PM
The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
 
2012-12-17 02:23:08 PM
Has it been pointed out that this is only their facebook page? Their website is still up and running. I didn't know it was a big deal or people cared about facebook pages going down. Never used the facebook thing myself and have no intention of ever doing so.
 
2012-12-17 02:23:28 PM

Endive Wombat: brnt00: Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.

I've got an amazing insurance plan, which basically allows you to get whatever therapy you need without much in the way of restrictions. My last insurance plan offered 20 yearly visits to an approved, in-network psychologist. My previous one to that allowed $800 of coverage to an in-network provider per calender year - The Dr. billed out at like $120 per 50min session, so you don't get a lot of sessions.

Want to start assigning blame for incidents like this? Blame the insurance companies that are in bed with politicians. A few more incidents like this and hopefully a real conversation about access to mental health services in the US can actually happen.


It would be nicer if we could have a real conversation about it without a few more incidents like this, she said hopefully (but dubiously nonetheless).
 
2012-12-17 02:23:32 PM

letrole: The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Well hey, once you accept the idea of an omnipotent, invisible creator creature that revealed itself in a book to some guys in the desert a while back and hasn't said or done anything since, all that seems pretty sensible by comparison.
 
2012-12-17 02:24:22 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Has it occured to any of the people talking about the need for increased gun control that guns are not biodegradable? Even if you ban new weapons, there are already many more on the streets. Also, criminals do not follow the law. That is a prerequisite to being a criminal. Why would they care about an assult weapons ban? For the record, the kids werenot killed by a legally-owned firearm. The murderer stole it from his dead mother.


If you tag and title guns, and license gun owners, then make carrying an unlicensed gun or a gun without having a gun license a crime that carries significant jailtime and forfeiture of the weapon, you 1) Increase the risk level of carrying an unlicensed gun to the degree that smart criminals will carry them far less often, 2) Provide an opportunity for law enforcement to inject themselves into the situation before anyone gets shot, 3) Gradually decrease the number of illegal guns in circulation, and 4) Drive the price of those that remain on the black market up beyond the means of most criminals.

Further, if your gun is stolen, you would report it, because if you didn't you would bear some responsibility if it were used. People would be more likely to keep their guns in a secure storage and less likely to share the combination to that storage with their violently crazy kid.

If you want to let the perfect be the enemy of the better, you go ahead, but I'm going to try to make some progress here.
 
2012-12-17 02:25:51 PM
A prime example of how to tell you're dealing with cowards. If they truly had the courage of their convictions they'd be sticking to their guns, this just shows that at some level they know they've been arguing for the indefensible this whole time.

Farking cowards.
 
2012-12-17 02:25:55 PM

shower_in_my_socks: sorhed: You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.


And I seem to recall that Tarantino had to make Kill Bill BLOODIER for Japanese audiences because they're accustomed to more gruesome horror and violence in their films. And Japan has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world. Guns are illegal there, too, but I'm sure that's just a big farking coincidence.


It's a great thing you're no scientist. The old adage "correlation does not equal causation" would fit pretty well with your statement
 
2012-12-17 02:26:24 PM

brnt00: Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy.


mental health care isn't magic. Depending on the condition the success rate isn't that great. And all sources I've read seem to indicate that this was a well off family, who could have afforded mental health care if they wanted it.
 
2012-12-17 02:26:29 PM

Endive Wombat: The shooter did not buy the weapons, he stole them from his mother, he was only 20. Federal law already prohibits the purchase and carrying of handguns by those under 21 without adult supervision.


His mother should get the death penalty for not properly safing her weapons.

/wait? what? she already did? GOOD.
 
2012-12-17 02:27:04 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Zeno-25: After all, reinstating the AWB wouldn't have prevented this tragedy, or any of the recent other ones. Most of these massacres are comitted with semi-auto handguns, and good luck getting a blanket ban on any semi-autos past the Supreme Court anytime in the next couple decades. A fundamental change in the way our society approaches mental illness is the only thing that could have prevented this.


Firstly, the ME in Newtown said most or all of the victims were shot with the long rifle, although I agree with you in most OTHER cases it's the semi-auto handguns that are the gun of choice, because nothing packs that much fire power into such an easily-concealable weapon.

While I agree that we need better mental healthcare in this country (which will require evil SOCIALISM!!!), there are a number of other things that would have prevented this shooting from happening:

1. A background check on the shooter's mom when she bought the guns that extended to everyone in her household. Her kid had a long history of issues and had been booted from public school for being a nutcase. That house should not have had guns in it.
2. Better education about keeping firearms locked-up.
3. Not treating guns as a "hobby," which the shooter's mom reportedly did. They are mass-killing, military weapons. They deserve a hell of a lot more respect than comparing them to quilting and stamp collecting.

The shooter was turned away by a gun store earlier this week when he was told there would be a background check and a waiting period. So that law WORKED and it delayed the attack. Who knows how many other would-be shooters out there have been delayed indefinitely by similar laws. If his mom hadn't been irresponsibly storing guns in a home where she knew there was a person with lifelong behavioral issues, we wouldn't be having this conversation today.


THis too, is spot on. Well said.
 
2012-12-17 02:27:37 PM

PreMortem: El_Frijole_Blanco: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

You need to go back 30 years when the mental health system got shut down

Conservative hero Ronald Reagan and his Omnibus bill. I'm just gonna copypasta this all day:

Court ordered mandatory psychological exam, then involuntary institutionalisation.

We are allowing too many whack jobs to roam freely.


Oh oh oh... new conspiracy for the derpers...

Sandy Hook was not a secret Obama plot to take our guns... Sandy Hook was a Secret Obama plot to re-institute government ordered involuntary institutionalization. So he can declare all his enemies insane and have FEMA round them up.
 
2012-12-17 02:27:38 PM

letrole: The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


So, basically, atheist gays are the problem here. Good to know.
 
2012-12-17 02:27:45 PM

Ace25: Has it been pointed out that this is only their facebook page? Their website is still up and running. I didn't know it was a big deal or people cared about facebook pages going down. Never used the facebook thing myself and have no intention of ever doing so.


the only reason that their facebook page is down is that they are a bunch of cowards. they were unwilling to stand by their convictions or their member comments.
nor were they willing to face public criticism on facebook.

sounds like a bunch of teenage girls
 
2012-12-17 02:28:43 PM

letrole: society completely collapses


Y'all better listen to this guy. His surname is Letrole.
 
2012-12-17 02:29:00 PM

TypoFlyspray: snocone: Fear drives the need for prevention of violent crimes.
Problem is that the time line defies the concept.
So politicians and charlitans sell the concept to the afeared masses. PROFIT!

There is no law against violence that will ever provide safety from violence.

So making murder illegal does nothing to change the rate of murder?

Silly.

Nothing will ever provide complete safety. Doesn't mean that a well crafted, intelligently enforced law can't increase the level of safety by making violence more difficult.


I was taught murder is illegal, UNLESS,,, God says so, your comanding officer says so, some politician hands you a gun and says so,
Gee, let me count the ways murder is not murder.
That sort of law?
Humans are just so farking excellent at violence.
Even you!!!
 
2012-12-17 02:29:03 PM
Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.

Except for the arsonists, and the bombers, and the people driving vehicles through crowds, and the serial killers.. so I guess bad people find a way regardless of firearm access.
 
2012-12-17 02:29:12 PM

TimonC346: Yeah--this is partially true. The ease of our access to guns, high powered and extremely efficient ones, is also part of that problem. More laws? Probably not. An all out ban on import or production of those guns would surely help. We can talk the whole "Meth causes problems, we should make it illegal so people stop doing it" is a malarkey argument--considering guns are neither mentally or physically addictive.


On another thread, I posted a reference to the "Frontline" ep on meth, and its comparison to Quaaludes. We can stop the problem if we make the object so rare only the truly dedicated could get their hands on it. The problem is, one of the chief arguments against gun control is "Well, dedicated criminals could still get their hands on guns." Well, dedicated addicts can still get their hands on Quaaludes. Does that mean we never should have confronted the problem?
 
2012-12-17 02:29:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Has it occured to any of the people talking about the need for increased gun control that guns are not biodegradable? Even if you ban new weapons, there are already many more on the streets. Also, criminals do not follow the law. That is a prerequisite to being a criminal. Why would they care about an assult weapons ban? For the record, the kids werenot killed by a legally-owned firearm. The murderer stole it from his dead mother.


That is the problem with a lot of legislation surrounding guns...the laws passed really only make it more difficult for legal, law abiding citizens and creates "gotcha" traps for law abiding citizens.

I mean look at the most basic facts surrounding this case:

20 year old man stole guns from his mother
Man shoots and kills mother
Man commits breaking and entering into a school
Man shoots and kills multiple other humans

All his actions were illegal. Theft is illegal, shooting someone for the sake of shooting them is illegal, breaking and entering is illegal, murder is illegal. Requiring a magazine to only hold 6 rounds instead of 12 would have done nothing to prevent death in a situation like this because this guys victims were basically unarmed women and children.
 
2012-12-17 02:30:05 PM

letrole: The interesting thing here is the way that guns and politics are being blamed for spree shootings.

Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Clearly we need to bring that old time religion back to our schools before it's too late.

You want to go with Ganesh, Pan, or Cthulhu?
 
2012-12-17 02:30:36 PM

namatad: Ace25: Has it been pointed out that this is only their facebook page? Their website is still up and running. I didn't know it was a big deal or people cared about facebook pages going down. Never used the facebook thing myself and have no intention of ever doing so.

the only reason that their facebook page is down is that they are a bunch of cowards. they were unwilling to stand by their convictions or their member comments.
nor were they willing to face public criticism on facebook.

sounds like a bunch of teenage girls


Meanwhile, on the Mass Effect 3 page...
 
2012-12-17 02:30:39 PM

Ace25: Has it been pointed out that this is only their facebook page? Their website is still up and running. I didn't know it was a big deal or people cared about facebook pages going down. Never used the facebook thing myself and have no intention of ever doing so.


No,but it's a pretty wuss move instead of facing the issue headon.

These are the same folks who try to blame everything else but guns for these mass shootings.

But hey we're making progress, it only took a mass shooting at an elementary school for gun nuts to realize that maybe we need to pay more attention to mental health care in this country instead of cutting funding for it because Socialism.
 
2012-12-17 02:30:43 PM

Endive Wombat: TimonC346: And frankly, our current course allowed for what happened Friday. Anyone with instability who ever slips through a mental health system is allowed to buy weapons. That's a massive risk we are taking there.

The shooter did not buy the weapons, he stole them from his mother, he was only 20. Federal law already prohibits the purchase and carrying of handguns by those under 21 without adult supervision.


Good point--but why the fark does anyone need a high powered rifle, like the one he used to kill everyone in there with the exception of himself?
 
2012-12-17 02:31:13 PM

EViLTeW: Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.


Another strawman riddled with bullet holes.
 
2012-12-17 02:31:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: It would be nicer if we could have a real conversation about it without a few more incidents like this, she said hopefully (but dubiously nonetheless).


It's starting. Really. The signs are good. I don't think it will go anywhere this time, but it is starting.
 
2012-12-17 02:31:53 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: letrole: society completely collapses

Y'all better listen to this guy. His surname is Letrole.


And that's like the 3rd time I've seen that post since Friday.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


the further this country goes down the drain the worse the consequences. people are very easily misled while getting them to do the right thing requires hard work and effort.

after Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood" was brought to the silver screen we saw more disturbing behavior along this line. after a couple in the mid 60's (?) claimed to have been abducted and probed by aliens more people came forward and claimed the same thing happened to them.

look back a few years. what were children and teens exposed to in the 20s, 30s and 40s, and how were most of them raised? sure there was technology in the day. there was education. there was discipline. there was some bad things as always like crime, alcoholism & drugs, abuse. for the most part young people were very naive and innocent. their worlds were very small. local newspaper, radio broadcasts, TV later if you could afford it. patriotic pride was big in the day. big changes: television, transportation especially the freedom the of automobile. but in the early part of the 1900's most people were poor but not hoodlums, criminals or recidivists.

each decade has had huge farking changes. Einstein said it best (1950s?): "Our technology has far surpassed our humanity". mankind waging war or being violent is nothing new, we are a horrible bloodthirsty greedy arrogant self involved species. and it seems like we are much like Hollywood talent: those gifted with good looks and the ability to act, sing etcetera seem to pay a high price for their gifts. mental illness, demos in the form of alcohol or drug addiction, poor life choices, blahblahblah. It seems like the more gifts mankind is given the higher the price we pay.

We abuse our computers, our selves. Garbage in, garbage out - you've heard it all before. If you surround yourself with negative thinking, music that focuses on death and darkness, leisure time activities that are a treasure trove of blood and guts, hunting killing shooting death destruction while the television programs being broadcast into your home are the type that exploit all sorts of people with personality disorders, mental illness, discipline problems, ignorance and/or stupidity, or a barrage of ultra violent horror and disturbing imagery, story and sound - well what do you think is going to become of that lab rat?

How the fark is a person who is knee-deep in that circumstance supposed to rise and shine and behave like a better quality individual?

Meanwhile take a look at how much of the population is unwanted and unplanned. For every birth I hear of that is a welcomed planned event, a blessing to a well educated employed seemingly sane set of parents I probably hear of 10 - 15 births that are no where near such happy circumstance. unwed teen drop-outs that are unemployed having their 2nd baby. drunks, drug addicts, blah blah blah all sorts of people who should be getting their personal shiat together are bringing little ones into the world while they can barely keep their head above water.

so there is no short cute answer. it's a huge POS society that is crapping out problems we all have to put up with, pay for and suffer for.

i realize it's so hip to shiat all over religion on the internet too. good for you. a lot of people bring their children up in a church because that's how their parents raised them. and they were taught right from wrong, charity, kindness, all sorts of things. of course these things can be taught outside a church and without a so-called holy text. obviously there is a whole lot of people that need to be shown how this is done. so enjoy crapping on people who believe while ignoring the good works they quietly do for their community. then look at yourself and ask what have you done for your neighbors in need lately.

meanwhile i'm sure a million dooshbags have all sorts of ultra violent goodies all wrapped up ready to put under the Christmas tree this year. they have not learned a damn thing. and more massacres will take place next year. hell, maybe next week. maybe tomorrow. as long as your kid is happy playing Blood Guts Kill Kill Kill III on Christmas Day hell that's all that matters.

keep burying your head in the internet, cell phones, NASCAR, television and every other distraction that comes along.

are you aware not every country is flooded with negative newscasts 24/7? USA USA USA. many countries / governments will not allow the filth trash sewage we have on TV to be broadcast in their countries. they don't wanted their citizens exposed to such horror.

---in the USA you need to learn and pass a test to drive a car, sell real estate, or to cut someones hair. meanwhile we let any and every moran bump uglies and make babies they cannot raise properly. many don't know how. many weren't raised right their self. many could care farking less.
as long as we the people who pay the tab and suffer the pain allow this to continue it will.

Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, Good Kwanza, Happy Holidays, Enjoy your Tet, May Your Festivus Be Fine Have a Pleasant New Year.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:42 PM

IlGreven: EViLTeW: Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.

Another strawman riddled with bullet holes.


That wouldn't have happened if the strawman was armed.
 
2012-12-17 02:32:54 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Pants full of macaroni!!: letrole: society completely collapses

Y'all better listen to this guy. His surname is Letrole.

And that's like the 3rd time I've seen that post since Friday.


This is your boss. Get back to work
 
2012-12-17 02:33:10 PM
The problems are clearly caused by

* Demon rock-n-roll
* Jazz, the devils music
* Unwed mothers
* Godless commies
* Marijuana
* The Irish
* The Jews
* The Mexicans
* Guns
* Alcohol
* Violent video games
* gay marriage
* abortion
* taking god out of schools
* secret Muslims
* masturbation
* short skirts
* Negroes
* skittles & hoodies

Or maybe, just maybe, some people aren't right in the head and just do terrible things for no good reason at all and banning inanimate objects won't really solve anything. Nahhh.
 
2012-12-17 02:33:15 PM

TimonC346: Good point--but why the fark does anyone need a high powered rifle, like the one he used to kill everyone in there with the exception of himself?


to keep the King of England out of his face
 
2012-12-17 02:33:15 PM
Blaming the NRA for gun deaths makes about as much sense as blaming two stupid Aussie DJ's and a prank on a nurse's suicide.
 
2012-12-17 02:34:03 PM
i dont know why tenpoundsofcheese is still here, weve all already seen the episode of newsroom tried to earn himself troll street cred.
 
2012-12-17 02:34:39 PM

Abuse Liability: It's a great thing you're no scientist. The old adage "correlation does not equal causation" would fit pretty well with your statement


Unfortunately for that argument, it's not commutative.

Correlation != Causation.
However,
Causation = Correlation

So if you see a correlation, you can start looking for a causation. And if you find other correlations, you can suspect you're on the right track.

Or you can say that Logic is just a way of being wrong with confidence.
 
2012-12-17 02:34:39 PM
Some interesting mass murder stats

assets.motherjones.com

assets.motherjones.com
 
2012-12-17 02:35:32 PM

namatad: His mother should get the death penalty for not properly safing her weapons.

/wait? what? she already did? GOOD.



O so very this.
 
2012-12-17 02:35:46 PM

Ed Finnerty: IlGreven: EViLTeW: Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.

Another strawman riddled with bullet holes.

That wouldn't have happened if the strawman was armed.


I assumed the strawman was forced to drink poisoned kool-aid?
(I forgot to add religious nutbags to my original list and had to work it in somehow)
 
2012-12-17 02:35:57 PM
Or we could just do the sane thing and ignore these incidents and remove the incentive.

I know, it's crazy.
 
2012-12-17 02:36:11 PM
This issue has nothing to do with guns, they are the red herring. The issue has everything to do with mental health and the inherent difficultly that lies in getting people help that they need whether they want it or not.

Mental health care needs to be readily available without going through hoops to anyone that needs it. As our population grows the number of people that our going to have episodes will also inevitably grow. By making mental health care available as needed you should prevent the vast majority of potential issues.

Some people are beyond the reach of weekly counseling and medication though. The medical standards have changed and it is now very difficult to get someone committed against their will, and even then you can usually only do so for three days. The standards that require an /immediate/ risk to self or others needs to changed to an indeterminable risk to self or others.
 
2012-12-17 02:36:29 PM

dittybopper: It's a smart move, so as to remove the possibility of comments by idiots who may belong to the NRA (and every organization has idiots, the NRA is not immune to that).


I'm thinking it's the other way around. Assuing that their page allows open commenting, I could imagin that with a few hours after the shootings, they page likely got flooded with people directly blaming th NRA for making it too easy to get such weapons as assualt riles.

I've made no bones about this. I think it is a fine and reasonable right to own guns. Hunting, recreation, or self defense. But, there is no need for some person in the suburbs to own a milary grade assult rifle. (I guess those deer won't kill themselves after all).

There does ned to be better restrictions. There are already restrictions in place otherwise I could walk into WalMart and buy a RPG launcher, or an Uzi. All they really have to do is tighten things up a bit.
 
2012-12-17 02:37:01 PM

SpectroBoy: Or maybe, just maybe, some people aren't right in the head and just do terrible things for no good reason at all and banning inanimate objects won't really solve anything. Nahhh.


So therefore, we should do absolutely nothing. The problem will fix itself. Please don't take away my life-affirming inanimate objects.
 
2012-12-17 02:38:05 PM

onyxruby: This issue has nothing to do with guns, they are the red herring.


People can keep saying this. It doesn't make it true. Even if a majority of people believe it, it doesn't make it true.
 
2012-12-17 02:40:57 PM
I haven't renewed my membership for a couple of years. Thanks for reminding me that they could use my support, they've supported We The People plenty in the past.
 
2012-12-17 02:42:16 PM

sorhed: ...despite having the exact same cultural influences.


lol
 
2012-12-17 02:42:19 PM

snocone: Humans are just so farking excellent at violence.
Even you!!!


Truth, that. And yet my bodycount remains zero.
 
2012-12-17 02:42:41 PM

xalres: A prime example of how to tell you're dealing with cowards. If they truly had the courage of their convictions they'd be sticking to their guns, this just shows that at some level they know they've been arguing for the indefensible this whole time.

Farking cowards.



QFT
 
2012-12-17 02:43:55 PM

EViLTeW: Ed Finnerty: IlGreven: EViLTeW: Luckily, before guns were so prevalent the US was a quiet and peaceful place where there were no crazies.

Another strawman riddled with bullet holes.

That wouldn't have happened if the strawman was armed.

I assumed the strawman was forced to drink poisoned kool-aid?
(I forgot to add religious nutbags to my original list and had to work it in somehow)


...if they were taught the kool-aid gives you immortality, then, pretty much yes, yes they were.

/And we're taught that guns are sacrosanct. Meanwhile, free speech, free religion, free assembly? Suggestions.
 
2012-12-17 02:44:59 PM

TypoFlyspray: snocone: Humans are just so farking excellent at violence.
Even you!!!

Truth, that. And yet my bodycount remains zero.


Just gotta find the right button.
 
2012-12-17 02:45:26 PM
Flakeloaf: Well hey, once you accept the idea of an omnipotent, invisible creator creature that revealed itself in a book to some guys in the desert a while back and hasn't said or done anything since, all that seems pretty sensible by comparison.

Geotpf: So, basically, atheist gays are the problem here. Good to know.

TypoFlyspray Clearly we need to bring that old time religion back to our schools before it's too late.


But random shootings increase. Can't blame Religion, it's less influential today than ever. Can't blame guns, they were even more unrestricted and available in the past. Can't blame bullies, *everyone* used to shun and pick-on the misfits.
 
2012-12-17 02:45:59 PM
DNRTA but did the NRA take it down or did FB do it for them....


Like how google deletes bloggers based on their views......
 
2012-12-17 02:46:13 PM
It's funny how much overlap there is between people that want vastly more stringent gun ownership restrictions, and people that want more government control of everything.

And yet, the gun owners are the cowards.
 
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