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2012-12-17 02:00:16 PM

RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

Apparently, guns don't kill people, movies kill people.


the answer to his question is MEDIA COVERAGE

the way the media obsesses and sensationalizes these tragedies is creating more of them Link
 
2012-12-17 02:00:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: : waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.



A movie has never pulled the trigger on a gun.

Movies don't kill people, people kill people.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than Die Hard.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:24 PM

brnt00: Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.


I've got an amazing insurance plan, which basically allows you to get whatever therapy you need without much in the way of restrictions. My last insurance plan offered 20 yearly visits to an approved, in-network psychologist. My previous one to that allowed $800 of coverage to an in-network provider per calender year - The Dr. billed out at like $120 per 50min session, so you don't get a lot of sessions.

Want to start assigning blame for incidents like this? Blame the insurance companies that are in bed with politicians. A few more incidents like this and hopefully a real conversation about access to mental health services in the US can actually happen.
 
2012-12-17 02:00:50 PM

megarian: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

Homosexual atheist democrat pro-abortion single mother fetuses.


And Muslims; and Mexicans.
 
2012-12-17 02:01:09 PM
I'm like totally un-friending them.
 
2012-12-17 02:01:18 PM
You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.
 
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2012-12-17 02:01:31 PM

brnt00: Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.


Because it would cost billions of dollars, the gun nuts are the same people who think national healthcare is a Marxist plot, and they are the very people we would have to lock up, so it amounts to the same thing.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:29 PM

CygnusDarius: megarian: tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?

Homosexual atheist democrat pro-abortion single mother fetuses.

And Muslims; and Mexicans.


....That might be the best band name evar.

I guess it's time to listen to some metal. Hope it doesn't make me kill anyone.
 
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2012-12-17 02:02:40 PM

thomps: i thought gun ownership meant never having to run away from potential conflict


No, it means that you can go looking for conflict because you are a big man when you have a gun.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:47 PM
"Crazy got a gun" is the reason most mass shootings happen. Preventing crazies from getting guns should be our top priority.
 
2012-12-17 02:02:52 PM

TimonC346: And frankly, our current course allowed for what happened Friday. Anyone with instability who ever slips through a mental health system is allowed to buy weapons. That's a massive risk we are taking there.


The shooter did not buy the weapons, he stole them from his mother, he was only 20. Federal law already prohibits the purchase and carrying of handguns by those under 21 without adult supervision.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:01 PM

Spare Me: The Muthaship: Blaming the NRA for this makes you look stupid.

Just a tip.

Yep and blaming the gun is like blaming a fork for making you fat.


And kindergarteners are soooo yummy.
 
2012-12-17 02:03:05 PM

dittybopper: It's a smart move, so as to remove the possibility of comments by idiots who may belong to the NRA (and every organization has idiots, the NRA is not immune to that).


Probably this. I'm sure we will see a full-throated defense of the current status quo on gun control once all of the emotions calm down a bit.

After all, reinstating the AWB wouldn't have prevented this tragedy, or any of the recent other ones. Most of these massacres are comitted with semi-auto handguns, and good luck getting a blanket ban on any semi-autos past the Supreme Court anytime in the next couple decades.

A fundamental change in the way our society approaches mental illness is the only thing that could have prevented this. We need professionals in schools who can evaluate at-risk individuals, maybe create a blacklist of people with serious illnesses which would be integrated into the background check process. It would have to be pretty invasive, though, as even just putting those who have been involuntarily comitted on such a list wouldn't have stopped most of these tragedies.

We don't have a gun control problem, we have a crazy control problem.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:38 PM

sorhed: You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.



And I seem to recall that Tarantino had to make Kill Bill BLOODIER for Japanese audiences because they're accustomed to more gruesome horror and violence in their films. And Japan has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world. Guns are illegal there, too, but I'm sure that's just a big farking coincidence.
 
2012-12-17 02:04:42 PM

TypoFlyspray: brnt00: Well funded, national healthcare (including comprehensive mental health care), as well as the removal of the stigmas associated with those who seek out mental health care when they need it, could have likely prevented this tragedy. But let's keep derping about gun control.

You're never going to get all the guns away from the people who have no business having the power to kill at a distance, and you're never going to identify all the violently crazy early enough to keep them from acting on it. SO, given that it is relatively easy to get a gun and given that it is relatively had to get someone institutionalized for violent insanity (until they actually kill someone) perhaps it's not a matter off either well funded national healthcare (including comprehensive mental healthcare) and Removing the stigma associated with using mental healthcare services, OR some common sense gun control, but rather both? Particularly if the latter is informed by the former?

Characterizing what's being seriously discussed regarding gun control right now as Derpery across the board is failing to consider that a lot of the suggestions out there are reasonable by any sense, and itself verges on Derp.



Nonense. Every bad thing that happens is caused exclusively by a single factor that just happens to irritate the person who points out that factor for all to see.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:40 PM
Listen, let the libtards biatch and moan about their precious "safety," but for me, I've got a dick even longer than the 32-round magazine on my dual-wielded TEC-9s.

Unfortunately, what I do not have is a third hand. So when I've fired all 64 rounds (hollow-points, natch), and the terrorist/burglars/deer is still standing there, what am I supposed to do, you panty-wetting clowns?

No, seriously, if you have any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I worry about this a lot. Normally I'd ask the NRA, but they're not answering the phone for some reason.
 
2012-12-17 02:05:45 PM

Clutch2013: p4p3rm4t3: .....

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Jesus.

Where the hell do you people find this stuff? And did they really make shows like that in the '70s?

/clicked you for Funny, BTW


Oh, we had worse stuff than that on TV back then.

/creepy Clutch Cargo mouths ftw
 
2012-12-17 02:06:11 PM
I think I know why he did it, but there's no way to ever really know unless he left a note.
 
2012-12-17 02:06:27 PM

shower_in_my_socks: sorhed: You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.


And I seem to recall that Tarantino had to make Kill Bill BLOODIER for Japanese audiences because they're accustomed to more gruesome horror and violence in their films. And Japan has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world. Guns are illegal there, too, but I'm sure that's just a big farking coincidence.


what's that you said? people like sorhed who blame 'violent video games' and 'violent movies' don't know their ass from a hole in the ground? WHODATHUNKIT
 
2012-12-17 02:06:30 PM
Fear drives the need for prevention of violent crimes.
Problem is that the time line defies the concept.
So politicians and charlitans sell the concept to the afeared masses. PROFIT!

There is no law against violence that will ever provide safety from violence.
 
2012-12-17 02:06:44 PM
i595.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 02:07:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


Internet rage?
 
2012-12-17 02:08:06 PM

sorhed: You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.


The 20th century and its nation-by-nation toll of overall gun violence would like a word with you.

Sorry, you don't get to discount soldiers killing civilians if you're going to compare my culture with the rest of the world.
 
2012-12-17 02:08:10 PM

Doctor Funkenstein:


This.... Oh my..... This.
 
2012-12-17 02:08:25 PM

The Muthaship: Blaming the NRA for this makes you look stupid.

Just a tip.


I honestly do not know why they would deactivate it - have to wonder if Facebook pulled another stupid stunt and deactivated it... the guns were all legally bought and owned by an adult person. That adult is being reported as responsible, caring, giving and an avid target shooter. The guns were STOLEN and the owner killed by her son. No "law" is going to prevent this.

#1 reason for these "sprees" is for the attention and rise to stardom... far past that of ANY star of the big screen, music or television gets in a year. Coverage on every channel, sometimes even taking scheduled programs off to report more on it (and nothing new, just the same stuff, over and over), the nutbag's photos plastered on the screen, time and time again... instant fame for a year, programs and documentaries made for 30 years and a whacko's name remembered for a long, long time...
 
2012-12-17 02:08:29 PM

shower_in_my_socks: "Crazy got a gun" is the reason most mass shootings happen. Preventing crazies from getting guns should be our top priority.


Communist!
 
2012-12-17 02:09:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


Easy - Dr. Spock
 
2012-12-17 02:09:38 PM

Endive Wombat: Want to start assigning blame for incidents like this? Blame the insurance companies that are in bed with politicians. A few more incidents like this and hopefully a real conversation about access to mental health services in the US can actually happen.


I have really great insurance and yet still can not afford the ~$300-400 a month it would cost me to get therapy to deal with my complex PTSD. So, I've just bought psychological books regarding the treatment of PTSD and have tried to do it on my own. It's not really working too well, but at least I can get out of bed every morning. I also do yoga and other things to simply try and calm down. My state drastically cut mental health services 4 years ago so unless I was a danger to myself or others they cannot assist.

I'm in no danger to go off and kill anyone, or myself; but goddammit. How does anyone expect people to get the help they need?
 
2012-12-17 02:09:55 PM

Zeno-25: We don't have a gun control problem, we have a crazy control problem.


And yet politicians are going to start putting out legislation for vote that bans the shoulder thing that goes up and heat seeking bullets.
 
2012-12-17 02:09:58 PM

megarian: Doctor Funkenstein:

This.... Oh my..... This.


Heh - and it's oddly on topic, too.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:39 PM
Jesus christ they knew their presence would be an issue. They knew that a shiatstorm was coming. They knew that ANYTHING they did or said would be met with hostility which is EXACTLY what is not needed in the wake of such a tragedy.

So they chose to avoid the fight. Sometimes the better part of valor is knowing when to step down. All of you calling them cowards and standing on your soap boxes beating your chests, YOURE the real swine here.

Kudos to the NRA for a moment of silence and trying not to feed the fire.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:42 PM
Has it occured to any of the people talking about the need for increased gun control that guns are not biodegradable? Even if you ban new weapons, there are already many more on the streets. Also, criminals do not follow the law. That is a prerequisite to being a criminal. Why would they care about an assult weapons ban? For the record, the kids werenot killed by a legally-owned firearm. The murderer stole it from his dead mother.
 
2012-12-17 02:11:03 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


What do you mean? Weren't you around for the school shootings back in the 1990s? Or the 1980's? Or the 1970s?

The only difference now is that because of saturated media coverage due to 24 hour news channels and the Internet, we hear more about it. What might have been a regional news story, or perhaps a short-lived national one, now occupies us for days, weeks, even months.
 
2012-12-17 02:11:05 PM

shower_in_my_socks: "Crazy got a gun" is the reason most mass shootings happen. Preventing crazies from getting guns should be our top priority.


Easy enough. Looking at your Fark profile leads me to believe you should be locked away. Problem solved.
 
2012-12-17 02:11:07 PM

shower_in_my_socks: sorhed: You know, the rest of the world sees America's violent movies and plays its violent video games, and some how manage to avoid monthly school massacres, despite having the exact same cultural influences.


And I seem to recall that Tarantino had to make Kill Bill BLOODIER for Japanese audiences because they're accustomed to more gruesome horror and violence in their films. And Japan has one of the lowest rates of intentional homicide in the world. Guns are illegal there, too, but I'm sure that's just a big farking coincidence.


Another 15,000 Newtown massacres, and we'll have nearly equaled the civilians they killed after the Doolittle raids.

Of course, they thought that was the RIGHT thing to do...so that means it doesn't count, or something.

Or is there some statute of limitations you're using on national collective guilt?
 
2012-12-17 02:11:27 PM

Spare Me: Statistically, based on population, these types of incidents are actually fewer and very rare. The reason it "seems" more prominent is the instant news, media and internet blasting of such events.


I know what you are saying in terms of making the general public aware of these events yeah but looking at a 30 year retrospective of mass shootings of all kinds worldwide by individuals or very small groups I would gauge it to be tacking an even course or slightly accelerated.
 
2012-12-17 02:12:28 PM

Zeno-25: After all, reinstating the AWB wouldn't have prevented this tragedy, or any of the recent other ones. Most of these massacres are comitted with semi-auto handguns, and good luck getting a blanket ban on any semi-autos past the Supreme Court anytime in the next couple decades. A fundamental change in the way our society approaches mental illness is the only thing that could have prevented this.



Firstly, the ME in Newtown said most or all of the victims were shot with the long rifle, although I agree with you in most OTHER cases it's the semi-auto handguns that are the gun of choice, because nothing packs that much fire power into such an easily-concealable weapon.

While I agree that we need better mental healthcare in this country (which will require evil SOCIALISM!!!), there are a number of other things that would have prevented this shooting from happening:

1. A background check on the shooter's mom when she bought the guns that extended to everyone in her household. Her kid had a long history of issues and had been booted from public school for being a nutcase. That house should not have had guns in it.
2. Better education about keeping firearms locked-up.
3. Not treating guns as a "hobby," which the shooter's mom reportedly did. They are mass-killing, military weapons. They deserve a hell of a lot more respect than comparing them to quilting and stamp collecting.

The shooter was turned away by a gun store earlier this week when he was told there would be a background check and a waiting period. So that law WORKED and it delayed the attack. Who knows how many other would-be shooters out there have been delayed indefinitely by similar laws. If his mom hadn't been irresponsibly storing guns in a home where she knew there was a person with lifelong behavioral issues, we wouldn't be having this conversation today.
 
2012-12-17 02:12:38 PM
pinkie.ponychan.net
 
2012-12-17 02:13:45 PM
Gotta say, the NRA is doing the only smart thing they can right now. Anything that gets posted to their FB page in favor of guns is going to be taken as coming from them. Any moderation they try to do to pro or anti gun posts is going to piss people off. There is nothing they can say that 1) will not appear pathologically self serving, 2) will bring anyone over to their way of thinking that isn't there already (and if they mishandled it they could lose supporters), and 3) is consistent with their stated goal of keeping firearms as unregulated as possible. Not right now. Maybe in a couple of months. I can't say as I approve of the NRA, and I certainly think that their consistent message the the second amendment means no regulations of any kind on firearms is wrong and dangerous, but they're doing the right thing here by going silent for a while.

Further, what can they fight? There's nothing out there that has a chance of passage through congress, not with a Republican majority in the House that knows that the NRA will fund their primary challengers if they waver an iota, whether or not the NRA says anything. Even if something were to come to the floor that looks like it might pass, there will be a couple of off the record calls to folks who know the congressmen in question, and they will be reminded who paid to get them where they are.

Course, when the character assassination of Joe Scarborough beings (which it surely will anon), you'll be able, if you're very good at this sort of thing, to follow the funding right back to the NRA.
 
2012-12-17 02:15:22 PM

TheOriginalEd: Jesus christ they knew their presence would be an issue. They knew that a shiatstorm was coming. They knew that ANYTHING they did or said would be met with hostility which is EXACTLY what is not needed in the wake of such a tragedy..


Stand up for what you believe in, unless there's a good chance that people will disagree with you. Sheesh these people can't even be principled right.
 
2012-12-17 02:15:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


No reason, just a blip. Overall, violent crime is going down and has been for decades. You're safer now then you have ever been.

/Of course, once the Northern permafrost melts you're screwed.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:09 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: [i595.photobucket.com image 500x368]


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Approves.

traylor: [pinkie.ponychan.net image 480x304]


Jesus, I'm dying over here.
 
2012-12-17 02:16:33 PM

snocone: Fear drives the need for prevention of violent crimes.
Problem is that the time line defies the concept.
So politicians and charlitans sell the concept to the afeared masses. PROFIT!

There is no law against violence that will ever provide safety from violence.


So making murder illegal does nothing to change the rate of murder?

Silly.

Nothing will ever provide complete safety. Doesn't mean that a well crafted, intelligently enforced law can't increase the level of safety by making violence more difficult.
 
2012-12-17 02:17:37 PM

Kazan: the answer to his question is MEDIA COVERAGE
the way the media obsesses and sensationalizes these tragedies is creating more of them Link


THE MEDIA is a business. They sensationalize these things because it's news, and people want to hear about it. Blaming THE MEDIA for shiat like this is just like blaming video games. They're running a business, just like video game companies are making money making violent video games. And what are we--mindless consumers of things that warp our brains so much that we can't even be trusted to not go out and shoot a bunch of people? That's pretty feeble.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:11 PM
traylor

Challenge accepted!

i595.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-17 02:18:18 PM

TheOriginalEd: Jesus christ they knew their presence would be an issue. They knew that a shiatstorm was coming. They knew that ANYTHING they did or said would be met with hostility which is EXACTLY what is not needed in the wake of such a tragedy.

So they chose to avoid the fight. Sometimes the better part of valor is knowing when to step down. All of you calling them cowards and standing on your soap boxes beating your chests, YOURE the real swine here.

Kudos to the NRA for a moment of silence and trying not to feed the fire.


Ever so this. Well said.
 
2012-12-17 02:18:52 PM

Vodka Zombie: Further proof that owning a gun doesn't make you decent or brave.


Dude, every place on the internet is not Fark. On websites dedicated to specific organizations, it's actually relatively appropriate to take down a user-generated section when it devolves into everyone pointlessly trolling each other.

berylman: Spare Me: Statistically, based on population, these types of incidents are actually fewer and very rare. The reason it "seems" more prominent is the instant news, media and internet blasting of such events.

I know what you are saying in terms of making the general public aware of these events yeah but looking at a 30 year retrospective of mass shootings of all kinds worldwide by individuals or very small groups I would gauge it to be tacking an even course or slightly accelerated.


Do you have that study with a methodology somewhere? Because actually verifying that would be a hell of a lot of legwork, given that if you go back as far as the '70s local crime not only wasn't national news, it didn't even get reported to a central national agency (just general statistics) so you'd have to call every tiny, tiny town in every country of the world and hope their police keep records that far back.

Admittedly, this means you should be automatically suspicious of the claim that there used to be more and it's dropped, as well. For the same reason.
 
2012-12-17 02:19:43 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: waiting for hollywood to deactivate their facebook pages on all their violent shows and movies.

we have had guns for a long time. what has changed in the last 10 years that results in these senseless slaughters?


America is the only place on Earth with violent movies and video games.
 
2012-12-17 02:20:45 PM
You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold, deactivated Facebook account.
 
2012-12-17 02:21:26 PM

TheOriginalEd: Jesus christ they knew their presence would be an issue. They knew that a shiatstorm was coming. They knew that ANYTHING they did or said would be met with hostility which is EXACTLY what is not needed in the wake of such a tragedy.

So they chose to avoid the fight. Sometimes the better part of valor is knowing when to step down. All of you calling them cowards and standing on your soap boxes beating your chests, YOURE the real swine here.

Kudos to the NRA for a moment of silence and trying not to feed the fire.


This is Fark, so you stop being reasonable right now. Reason is not an American value.
 
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