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2012-12-17 10:39:46 AM
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2012-12-17 10:43:34 AM

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I was talking about that movie with my mom last night. Beautiful Boy, too.

But that Kevin movie was tough. She knew the kid was all sorts of farked up. Could she have done more? I can't say.
 
2012-12-17 10:52:05 AM
"He thought he had licence to kill, it scared the living daylights out of me!"
 
2012-12-17 10:53:42 AM
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2012-12-17 10:57:47 AM
My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler
 
2012-12-17 11:01:09 AM
A teacher I know once quipped about a (mutual) former student, "I wonder how many people he's killed by now?"
The day she said that he intentionally killed another person.
csb?
Teachers see many killers before they are. And of hearing the news, they're not surprised. What's the solution though? Preemptive incarceration?
 
2012-12-17 11:01:38 AM

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F*cking Sid.
 
2012-12-17 11:05:35 AM

EvilEgg: My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler


I saw a girl on television mentioning that same thing.
 
2012-12-17 11:07:31 AM
Apparently no one's listening to George Takei's advice.
 
2012-12-17 11:13:27 AM

EvilEgg: My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler


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Depends on who you ask....
 
2012-12-17 11:36:38 AM

EvilEgg: My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler


I carried a briefcase throughout my junior & senior years of high school. I even played D&D.

And look how I turned out.
 
2012-12-17 11:42:03 AM

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That is the scariest horror movie I have ever seen since having kids of my own
 
2012-12-17 11:47:55 AM
We should make children pass some kind of humanity test or face the Gom Jabbar like in Dune.
 
2012-12-17 11:47:57 AM
The mom was an NRA'er and doomsday prepper.
The dad divorced the mom the same year she quit work to homeschool the eventual shooter.
The dad's a VP at Ernst and Young; the older brother "who was at work today!" misidentified by media as the shooter because of his emo tweets also works at Ernst and Young.

Typical clean cut suburban Americans, all.
 
2012-12-17 11:54:39 AM

TheHighlandHowler: A teacher I know once quipped about a (mutual) former student, "I wonder how many people he's killed by now?"
The day she said that he intentionally killed another person.
csb?
Teachers see many killers before they are. And of hearing the news, they're not surprised. What's the solution though? Preemptive incarceration?


Basically this issue.... I would imagine in almost all of these cases where 17-25 year old males did something like this (which is basically the age range for these types of events.... Columbine: two 18 year olds, VT: 23, Sandy Hook : 20 , Tucson: 22, Aurora: 24), and they had (most likely multiple) teachers and students who saw "odd" behavior. Yet, everyone is too scared about making accusations, and don't want to accuse somebody of being able to do something horrific just because they "act different". (As far as pegging "Males 17-25"... yes, I know there are other recent and older "mass shootings", but, I am focusing here mostly on the "random targets" type of shootings here. IE, the WI Sikh shooter was 40, but, was also a White Supremacist, so, while just as horrific, there was a "connection" there, and we do have some things in place to track groups like that and people associated with those groups.)

Much like with the whole "You can't just search Muslims for trying to hijack planes", we have a similar issue here. I think a lot of people will feel... "Well, you know what, if you are a 17-22 year old male with a really troubled history, sorry, we are going to really monitor you closely (tracking purchases, etc), deal with it." I am not saying that is the right way to go, but, we certainly have a pattern here, so, seems like you can try do something about it.
 
2012-12-17 11:55:30 AM
I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"
 
2012-12-17 12:04:26 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"


Why his ears? Does he complain that "People won't listen to me!" ?

/had an ex that always complained about that
 
2012-12-17 12:15:37 PM

DjangoStonereaver: EvilEgg: My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler

I carried a briefcase throughout my junior & senior years of high school. I even played D&D.

And look how I turned out.


(Scooches away from DjangoStonereaver.)
 
2012-12-17 12:16:06 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"


Not buy an arsenal where the freak can get access to it?
 
2012-12-17 12:26:33 PM

dletter: "Well, you know what, if you are a 17-22 year old male with a really troubled history, sorry, we are going to really monitor you closely (tracking purchases, etc), deal with it."


And that is part of the problem too. Kids with the same warning signs would be stigmatized and, in many cases, we would have a self-fulfilling prophesy. Identity of likely offenders would never be perfect, therefore many people would be suspected. Some would say that if you are different, you should be suspect, but that's a slippery slope.

/no offense, not argumentative, just ruminating
 
2012-12-17 12:32:06 PM

dletter: TheHighlandHowler: A teacher I know once quipped about a (mutual) former student, "I wonder how many people he's killed by now?"
The day she said that he intentionally killed another person.
csb?
Teachers see many killers before they are. And of hearing the news, they're not surprised. What's the solution though? Preemptive incarceration?

Basically this issue.... I would imagine in almost all of these cases where 17-25 year old males did something like this (which is basically the age range for these types of events.... Columbine: two 18 year olds, VT: 23, Sandy Hook : 20 , Tucson: 22, Aurora: 24), and they had (most likely multiple) teachers and students who saw "odd" behavior. Yet, everyone is too scared about making accusations, and don't want to accuse somebody of being able to do something horrific just because they "act different". (As far as pegging "Males 17-25"... yes, I know there are other recent and older "mass shootings", but, I am focusing here mostly on the "random targets" type of shootings here. IE, the WI Sikh shooter was 40, but, was also a White Supremacist, so, while just as horrific, there was a "connection" there, and we do have some things in place to track groups like that and people associated with those groups.)

Much like with the whole "You can't just search Muslims for trying to hijack planes", we have a similar issue here. I think a lot of people will feel... "Well, you know what, if you are a 17-22 year old male with a really troubled history, sorry, we are going to really monitor you closely (tracking purchases, etc), deal with it." I am not saying that is the right way to go, but, we certainly have a pattern here, so, seems like you can try do something about it.


I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it.
 
2012-12-17 12:51:15 PM

Charlie Freak: I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it.


Too bad he wasn't bullied into killing himself.

Bully harder, America.
 
2012-12-17 12:54:16 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Charlie Freak: I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it.

Too bad he wasn't bullied into killing himself.

Bully harder, America.


He was bullied into killing himself... he just took out 20 6-year-olds before hand.
 
2012-12-17 01:07:51 PM

dletter: thismomentinblackhistory: Charlie Freak: I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it.

Too bad he wasn't bullied into killing himself.

Bully harder, America.

He was bullied into killing himself... he just took out 20 6-year-olds before hand.


I need to step away from the Internet and stop reading about this guy.
 
2012-12-17 01:16:38 PM

Diogenes: thismomentinblackhistory: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x350]

I was talking about that movie with my mom last night. Beautiful Boy, too.

But that Kevin movie was tough. She knew the kid was all sorts of farked up. Could she have done more? I can't say.


I watched that about five or six days before the shooting. It's been fresh in my mind the whole time.
 
2012-12-17 01:44:50 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: thismomentinblackhistory: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 600x350]

I was talking about that movie with my mom last night. Beautiful Boy, too.

But that Kevin movie was tough. She knew the kid was all sorts of farked up. Could she have done more? I can't say.

I watched that about five or six days before the shooting. It's been fresh in my mind the whole time.


I have a cousin who displayed all the warning signs when he was younger. How he turned out OK is anyone's guess. It certainly wasn't due to the efforts of my aunt and uncle. If anything, getting away from them after high school is what helped him.

Exhibit A: Violent pictures of the whole family slaughtered. Teacher requested aunt and uncle to go in and discuss it, and getting him professional help. Uncle refused. Said my cousin was fine. Resented the teacher and school for even suggesting he had issues.

Exhibit B: Small wild animals discovered by his brother in the woods behind the house. All skinned.

So in Lanza's case, you have a parent feeding the behavior. In my cousin's, the parents ignoring it. In the movie, a mother afraid to take action because it would destroy the marriage.
 
2012-12-17 01:48:41 PM

CapeFearCadaver: trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"

Why his ears? Does he complain that "People won't listen to me!" ?

/had an ex that always complained about that


He steals earrings. Just one of a pair.
 
2012-12-17 01:49:56 PM

trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"


If you spend time around kids or in a school you can spot these things, sometimes as young as 4. It's scary.
I had a neighbor boy like this. I'm surprised he made it to ten years old before being taken into custody.
 
2012-12-17 01:54:58 PM

Diogenes: Exhibit B: Small wild animals discovered by his brother in the woods behind the house. All skinned.


Yikes! That one seems impossible to ignore. I made violent and gruesome pictures as a kid - though not with family in them, or even real people.

But if you're skinning wild animals, and you're not a hunter, tanner or caveman, you have issues that need some serious attention.
 
2012-12-17 01:56:29 PM

dletter: thismomentinblackhistory: Charlie Freak: I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it.

Too bad he wasn't bullied into killing himself.

Bully harder, America.

He was bullied into killing himself... he just took out 20 6-year-olds before hand.


Was he? I'm not making a link between bullying as a causal factor in these types of shootings, I'm looking at bullying as more of a symptom of our built-in early detection system.

The difference I see between the bullying victims of today and those of years ago is that the avenue of revenge is very present on their minds, and seems to be increasing - a sort of "one-upsmanship" against those they see as oppressors (or society at large).
 
2012-12-17 02:01:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: Exhibit B: Small wild animals discovered by his brother in the woods behind the house. All skinned.

Yikes! That one seems impossible to ignore. I made violent and gruesome pictures as a kid - though not with family in them, or even real people.

But if you're skinning wild animals, and you're not a hunter, tanner or caveman, you have issues that need some serious attention.


I've never really talked to him about any of it. I was never particularly close to either him or his brother (I was the first grandchild and much older than my other cousins). But he seems to have matured and leads a normal, productive life. Oddly enough, it's his brother I dislike and distrust. Farking con artist, that one. And pretty bad at it, too. I swear he's at least half the reason the erstwhile troubled one had issues.
 
2012-12-17 02:08:48 PM

Charlie Freak: The difference I see between the bullying victims of today and those of years ago is that the avenue of revenge is very present on their minds, and seems to be increasing - a sort of "one-upsmanship" against those they see as oppressors (or society at large).


Well, there's also the Internet. The bullying doesn't stop when you get off the bus. It also makes it harder to live something down if you say something stupid or post something that people can use against you.
 
2012-12-17 02:09:09 PM

Diogenes: Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: Exhibit B: Small wild animals discovered by his brother in the woods behind the house. All skinned.

Yikes! That one seems impossible to ignore. I made violent and gruesome pictures as a kid - though not with family in them, or even real people.

But if you're skinning wild animals, and you're not a hunter, tanner or caveman, you have issues that need some serious attention.

I've never really talked to him about any of it. I was never particularly close to either him or his brother (I was the first grandchild and much older than my other cousins). But he seems to have matured and leads a normal, productive life. Oddly enough, it's his brother I dislike and distrust. Farking con artist, that one. And pretty bad at it, too. I swear he's at least half the reason the erstwhile troubled one had issues.


The brother could have been the culprit and was bullying and blaming the younger one.
 
2012-12-17 02:10:43 PM

AbbeySomeone: The brother could have been the culprit and was bullying and blaming the younger one.


Conceivable, but knowing both I doubt it. I don't think his brother has it in him. He's a big talker/pussy in reality.
 
2012-12-17 02:15:58 PM
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2012-12-17 02:21:21 PM

Diogenes: AbbeySomeone: The brother could have been the culprit and was bullying and blaming the younger one.

Conceivable, but knowing both I doubt it. I don't think his brother has it in him. He's a big talker/pussy in reality.


What's his FARK handle?
 
2012-12-17 02:21:44 PM
He tried once or twice, but just couldn't create a permanent Bond.
 
2012-12-17 02:22:59 PM
 
2012-12-17 02:23:09 PM

TheHighlandHowler: A teacher I know once quipped about a (mutual) former student, "I wonder how many people he's killed by now?"
The day she said that he intentionally killed another person.
csb?
Teachers see many killers before they are. And of hearing the news, they're not surprised. What's the solution though? Preemptive incarceration?


I went to high school with a murderer and his victim. They were high school sweethearts. I never would have guessed he had a jealous streak. I hear it came out when he started drinking.
 
2012-12-17 02:24:00 PM
He was weird? After being homeschooled by a Dittoheaded prepper and gun "enthusiast"?

Color me shocked.
 
2012-12-17 02:25:20 PM

DjangoStonereaver: EvilEgg: My niece went to school with him. The only thing she said about him was that he always carried a briefcase. Which is a little odd for a high schooler

I carried a briefcase throughout my junior & senior years of high school. I even played D&D.

And look how I turned out.


Is *that* a human head?.
 
2012-12-17 02:25:27 PM
Weird kids belong in mental wards.
 
2012-12-17 02:27:53 PM
Good, now we know that whoever is shy and keeps to themselves is a murderer, not just polite.
 
2012-12-17 02:28:00 PM

cgraves67: I went to high school with a murderer and his victim. They were high school sweethearts. I never would have guessed he had an jealous abusive streak. I hear it came out when he started drinking.


A simple jealousy streak doesn't kill...
 
2012-12-17 02:29:24 PM
Goddamn you FARKers. I cannot believe how callous and horrible you are. This is one of the few times I am genuinely ashamed of you.

And you can take that Welcome to fark shiat and go DIAF.

None of you will ever know the pain of a father who gets a call at three in the morning and hears the doctor tell them that they can't find the normalness in their kid. None of you will ever know the pain of raising a violent Aspie who shoots up his school at 21. I can only hope you never feel that pain and horror of knowing your child will never count to potato.

This is Quinn. His wierdness killed him before he even had a chance to live in this world. Our interior decorator thought he would look stylish on our grand piano.

img214.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-17 02:29:26 PM

KungFuJunkie: Weird kids belong in mental wards.


I used to be a weird kid.
 
2012-12-17 02:29:53 PM

dletter: TheHighlandHowler: A teacher I know once quipped about a (mutual) former student, "I wonder how many people he's killed by now?"
The day she said that he intentionally killed another person.
csb?
Teachers see many killers before they are. And of hearing the news, they're not surprised. What's the solution though? Preemptive incarceration?

Basically this issue.... I would imagine in almost all of these cases where 17-25 year old males did something like this (which is basically the age range for these types of events.... Columbine: two 18 year olds, VT: 23, Sandy Hook : 20 , Tucson: 22, Aurora: 24), and they had (most likely multiple) teachers and students who saw "odd" behavior. Yet, everyone is too scared about making accusations, and don't want to accuse somebody of being able to do something horrific just because they "act different". (As far as pegging "Males 17-25"... yes, I know there are other recent and older "mass shootings", but, I am focusing here mostly on the "random targets" type of shootings here. IE, the WI Sikh shooter was 40, but, was also a White Supremacist, so, while just as horrific, there was a "connection" there, and we do have some things in place to track groups like that and people associated with those groups.)

Much like with the whole "You can't just search Muslims for trying to hijack planes", we have a similar issue here. I think a lot of people will feel... "Well, you know what, if you are a 17-22 year old male with a really troubled history, sorry, we are going to really monitor you closely (tracking purchases, etc), deal with it." I am not saying that is the right way to go, but, we certainly have a pattern here, so, seems like you can try do something about it.


A pattern that would identify probably 1 in 30 people of every graduating class...
 
2012-12-17 02:29:55 PM
Nerd rage is a b*tch.
 
2012-12-17 02:30:12 PM
I'm generally libertarian and believe in individual rights for a person... but when can we say "enough is enough. Even though this kid hasn't broke the law yet, he will... and it will be bad when he does..." Sometimes one person just being alive and out in the open poses a huge cost (or risk) to others... infringing on their safety and happiness.

Read this story for instance. Doesn't part of you just want to say "We need to take this kid out before he takes 20 people out" ?? 

It's not about gun control. It's about mental health. To take it a step further, I wonder if it's about finding those people who will NEVER get better, no matter how much time, effort, money, medicine, and therapy we throw at them. I'll get flamed for this... but do we see a reason to keep those people (like in the linked story) around? Sometimes it's not their fault (bad parenting), but the result is the same... the person will end up dead or incarcerated, and who knows how many others killed before he got there.
 
2012-12-17 02:30:14 PM
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