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2012-12-17 03:46:59 PM  

olddinosaur: From Columbine to Sandy Hook, I see a common thread to all these shooters:

1. They are all white;


Ouch, 2/3 accuracy right off the bat. That's gonna cost you. It's a good effort, but screwing up so obviously that early, w/o even burying it deeper in the text in the hopes it's skimmed over. 1/10 would be overly generous. If you don't get your act together, you're going to find yourself in remedial trolling.
 
2012-12-17 03:47:21 PM  
Was Lanza vaccinated? If so, this is clearly the result of those vaccinations causing brain cloud. DOWN WITH BIG PHARMA!!
 
2012-12-17 03:47:25 PM  

Marine1: TwistedFark: In 1996 Australia had the Port Arthur massacare. Over 30 killed, over 50 victims in total. The Liberal (Conservative, in American terms) Prime Minister enacted a series of gun reforms, restricting private sale, gun ownership and buying back semi-automatic and automatic guns in the general population.

In the decade prior to 1996, Australia had 11 mass shootings.

In all the time since then, it has had 0.

Gun bans work.

If you're willing to step on the rights of innocent people, of course they work.

Government officials in the US can't just order property to be turned in one day for safety. You have to have justification for doing so and demonstrate with each case that society is in imminent danger if a specific person's property is not confiscated. It's called due process, and it's an important safeguard against government abuse of individuals. If the government cannot show that a person is dangerous (which, with the recent spree shooters, should have been something a brain-damaged monkey could manage to do), then they can't take your stuff... guns or otherwise.



Britain

Despite relatively limited gun ownership and availability, Britain has experienced several mass shootings in the past 25 years.

On August 19, 1987, 27-year-old Michael Ryan went on a bloody rampage for several hours in the southern English town of Hungerford, Berkshire armed with a pistol, hand grenade and an automatic rifle. He murdered 16 people and wounded over a dozen others, before he shot himself after being tracked down in a college building in the town.

In the wake of the Hungerford massacre, Britain introduced new legislation -- Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 -- making registration mandatory for owning shotguns and banning semi-automatic and pump-action weapons.

Read: Past massacres tightened UK gun laws

Nine years later, on March 13, 1996, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton burst into a school in the picturesque town of Dunblane in central Scotland and embarked on a terrifying shooting spree that left 16 five and six-year-old children and their teacher dead. The former scoutmaster turned one of the four pistols he was carrying on himself.

The following year, a new law -- Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 -- was passed effectively banning the private ownership of all handguns in the UK. This followed a highly successful public campaign in the months after Dunblane that included a petition being handed to the government with almost 750,000 signatures, according to British media reports.

Britain was shaken by another massacre in June 2010 when a lone gunman, named as Derrick Byrd, killed 12 people and injured almost 30 others after a near four-hour shooting spree in rural Cumbria, northern England. After a huge manhunt, the body of the 52-year-old taxi driver was found alongside two powerful rifles, one equipped with a telescopic sight. He had taken his own life. Police were investigating 30 crime scenes at one point.

The tragedy again raised questions about the effectiveness of Britain's gun laws after it was revealed Byrd was licensed to carry firearms. The licensing application process involves being vetted by police as well as the applicant's doctor to assess their fitness to own a weapon.
 
2012-12-17 03:47:26 PM  

Maus III: occamswrist: KungFuJunkie: El Brujo: Do all these shootings have to do with the autism craze of the last 30 years?

My wife thinks so.

I blame Jenny McCarthy.

Agreed. Anyone who doesn't robotically spout football and baseball stats and scores OR WORSE YET eschews sports in favor of talking about "Hilbert's 23 problems" (srsly, WTF?) should be incarcerated. No question asked.

/Hilbert's problems JUST SOUNDS like something a schizo would make up.


Hilbert's 23 problems are a list of very difficult mathematical unsolved problems. Of the 23, I think 3 or 4 have been solved. The most notorious is still the Riemann Hypothesis.

I wouldn't imagine a schizo would make up Hilbert's problem. Get this guy to a university math department!
 
2012-12-17 03:47:35 PM  
Bet the kid was on bath salts too.
 
2012-12-17 03:49:12 PM  

Casey Anthony: Marine1: /There are more normal people with "assault weapons" than crazy people with "assault weapons"

citation needed

Owning an "assault weapon" doesn't strike me as characteristic of a normal person.


There is no such thing as an "assault" weapon. A BB gun is an "assault" weapon if it is used to attack someone. An AR-15 is a defensive weapon if it is used to protect innocent people, as is
the case 99+% of the time.

Besides, what makes you think you need a gun to kill people? Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters. The Nazis used cyanide. The Bolsheveks and the Red Chinese used slow starvation. Jack the Ripper used a straight razor. The Boston Strangler used a rope.

I note with interest it is already a serious crime to carry a gun intol a school; did that stop the shooter, or even slow him down?

I think the opposite is true: He picked a school deliberately because he knew there would be no guns there. 

Now the same old usual people are calling for more money, more power and more authority, and you "sheep" are letting them stampede you right over a cliff.

You deserve what you get.
 
2012-12-17 03:49:28 PM  

DoctorOfLove: One insurmountable problem (if it is a problem) is that these mass killings are in fact very rare (one or two in the US per year is much less than the number of shark attacks, lightning strikes, etc.). 300 million people, Two or so nut jobs a year. And the rate is declining, not rising. Thus, the number of apparently disturbed 19-25 year old boys is far higher than the number who actually do something like this. So if you started to lock up this group, you would have a 99% or higher false positive rate. There does seem to be a suspicious association with SSRI drugs. Some enterprising lawyer needs to target the drug companies over this. So perhaps we reduce the target wacko population by limiting it to weirdo boys between the ages of say 16 and 25 who are on SSRIs - perhaps if you are in this population you have to have all guns around you removed and be assigned a (more or less) parole officer for the duration. This would have identified the shooters in columbine, aurora, virginia tech - but the problem is it would also identify thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of boys in this group who were never going to go postal.


The problem is that you're going to have to be able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that A) SSRIs are directly or immediately contributing to the mass killings that have occurred in the United States, and abroad, and B) That the drug companies knew about this and kept them on the market or failed to take reasonable steps to mitigate or make aware of that risk.

Spree killings like this are complex and multi-factoral in their roots and nature, especially when they involve a history of mental illness separate from simply treating depression. I would challenge you, outside of Anti-Science Based Medicine and conspiracy theorist sources, to provide research that supports either claim.

/Disclaimer: ANY Psychiatric drug is dangerous, and should only be prescribed by an experienced and trained provider who is capable of closely monitoring and adjusting their drug dosing and use.
//Personal Feeling: Psychiatric drugs should only be prescribed by a licensed psychiatric MD or inpatient setting. Family docs should NOT be tossing Psych meds at patients after a 20 minute visit and telling them to come back in a month.
 
2012-12-17 03:50:46 PM  
I have this thought that maybe these people who do this don't understand the concept of death at all. In more than one case of those who have left notes, they seem to be planning on seeing the results of what they've done, as if they wouldn't be dead. It's almost like they expect to be able to observe the fallout from a distance, getting Facebook updates, and seeing the havoc that they've wrought with some level of satisfaction. I wonder if there's some kind of disconnect there that might give some insight?
 
2012-12-17 03:50:48 PM  
Way to go, subby! Let's emphasize the fact that by gunning down a room full of kids you can make your neighbors famous too. "I did it to spread awareness of Newtown, Connecticut."

What's next? Interviewing people who never met the guy but drove past him once?
 
2012-12-17 03:50:50 PM  

NarrMaster: I want to know one thing- was Adam Lanza being treated for some of the symptoms of his autism with an SSRI, and if so, was his dosage changed recently(within the last month)?


Or was he on any SSRI at all. Those drugs can be evil when given to certain people. I think they're way over-prescribed for conditions they are not suited to treat.
 
2012-12-17 03:53:10 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Way to go, subby! Let's emphasize the fact that by gunning down a room full of kids you can make your neighbors famous too. "I did it to spread awareness of Newtown, Connecticut."

What's next? Interviewing people who never met the guy but drove past him once?


I've read about him on the internet. He's an asshole from what I know.
 
2012-12-17 03:53:28 PM  
It's not difficult to theorize how an inability to feel physical pain would lead to a severely undeveloped sense of empathy.

So much of childhood is transitioning from being selfish little takers into cooperative members of society. Without the base "doctor, it hurts when I do that" impulse that drives the creation of empathy, all learning on the subject would feel superficial.
 
2012-12-17 03:54:25 PM  

olddinosaur: Besides, what makes you think you need a gun to kill people? Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters. The Nazis used cyanide. The Bolsheveks and the Red Chinese used slow starvation. Jack the Ripper used a straight razor. The Boston Strangler used a rope.


You're right.

Without guns, Lanza would have slowly starved the kids to death!
 
2012-12-17 03:54:26 PM  

Casey Anthony: That is the most craziest loony tunes shiat I've read in awhile. You should be on a watch list.

/unless you're just trolling, then it was pretty good!



Agreed.
 
2012-12-17 03:55:53 PM  

relcec: Britain

Despite relatively limited gun ownership and availability, Britain has experienced several mass shootings in the past 25 years.


Number of Murders in the United States in 2008: 15,241
Number of Murders in the UK in 2008: 648. (Since the UK's population is 1/5 of the United States, that's comparable to around 3.2K with our population)

Number of Murders by Firearm in the United States in 2008: 9481.
Number of Murders by Firearm in the UK in 2008: 39. Population equivalent of 195 murders.

Clearly the UK has devolved into a bastion of violence, mayhem, and murderous tyranny because of their legislation.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:07 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: SuperNinjaToad: I hate to say it BUT some humans CANNOT be rehabilitated.. at least not at this point in time with with our current level of medical technology... maybe in the future someone creates a pill or medication etc BUT not today.

These folks unfortunately poses a real and serious threat to society and as inhumane as it sounds MUST be locked up for good.

When you have reach a point in your morality or mental state where you can comfortably look down the barrel of an AR-15 lines it up to the head of a young girl or boy about 6 or 7 years old who is crying in fear.. perhaps even asking you to not kill him or his kindergarden friends because they have Christmas presents waiting for them under the tree.... and then proceed to squeeze the trigger, watch her little head explode, her tiny body sprawled on the floor, blood all over the classroom, and on other small kids... and to repeat it 19 more times, aiming, squeezing, killing even more small children covering in the small corner... I think it is safe to assume you've long passed the point of rehabilitation.

These folks needs to be identified, studied and if deemed un-rehabilitated locked up for good.

How do you propose going about doing this? How do you deem someone unable to be rehabilitated? So do we make it mandatory for every child to undergo psychiatric evaluations at set intervals in their lives? This sounds like an enormous undertaking (expense) with a ton of holes in it. At what point do you go "Gee Billy is kind of weird" to "Billy will be locked up for life" BEFORE Billy does anything other than exhibit signs of escalation in their destructive behavior which could spiral out of control and end up in something like this? There are PLENTY of kids I knew growing up that were weird as hell but are fine now/ There are also plenty of kids that seemed completely normal and now have either killed themselves or someone else. Sometimes you just can't stop things from happening. If someone wants to do bad, ...


It's not exact science and I'm not advocating some sort of witch hunt type endevors .. of course like anything some will fall through the cracks! BUT common.. I think as a society many of us have at least once in our lives 'noticed' this kid (even more than other 'weaird' kids that you know deep down will likely grow up to become the next Adam Lanza!
Will it stop all future violence? no, of course not BUT even if we identify just 1 insane kid from growing up to become the next Lanza, Diebold, Dahmer etc we would;ve save a byunch of families a bunch of grief.
 
2012-12-17 03:56:15 PM  

LessO2: FriarReb98: Apparently no one's listening to George Takei's advice.

Sorry, if you're looking up to George Takei on how to handle a horrible situation like this,you're just flat-out stupid.

Instead of worrying about whether Larza's name is used or not, how about we actually work on the problem instead?

The true travesty in all of this is that, if history repeats itself, money and power will win out and not a single meaningful thing will be done to address this. Yeah, there might be some "Sandy Hook" law put into place that will require gun owners to lock their storage box in a place so many feet off the ground and must be dusted off the third Thursday of every month and the lock itself must face the most direct place facing Wayne LaPierre's anus, but that's about it.


The thing is this, any gun control measures put into place will not include confiscation making the law useless. They will not include confiscation, because no law maker wants to be reason that the 2nd Civil War is started. The law will also most likely be heavily geared towards "assault rifles" which will be meaningless because so few are actually in crimes.

If you want to ban magazines over 10rds again, knock yourselves out. There are already 40million out there, they won't be hard to find in the private market and most easily concealable pistols don't use hicap mags anyway.

It's bad enough that Dems are barking up the wrong tree, but they seem to be farking the wrong cat this time as well.
 
2012-12-17 03:58:39 PM  

BronyMedic: relcec: Britain

Despite relatively limited gun ownership and availability, Britain has experienced several mass shootings in the past 25 years.

Number of Murders in the United States in 2008: 15,241
Number of Murders in the UK in 2008: 648. (Since the UK's population is 1/5 of the United States, that's comparable to around 3.2K with our population)

Number of Murders by Firearm in the United States in 2008: 9481.
Number of Murders by Firearm in the UK in 2008: 39. Population equivalent of 195 murders.

Clearly the UK has devolved into a bastion of violence, mayhem, and murderous tyranny because of their legislation.


It would be interesting to see the % of murders by firearm committed by those of Anglo descent in the United States. I'd be willing to bet it's equal to that of the UK.
 
2012-12-17 03:59:03 PM  

stellarossa: Private_Citizen: AbbeySomeone: trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"

If you spend time around kids or in a school you can spot these things, sometimes as young as 4. It's scary.
I had a neighbor boy like this. I'm surprised he made it to ten years old before being taken into custody.

My wife and I used to be friends with a couple that had a bad seed child. That child once tried to choke one of my daughters, who fought him off and told me. I was enraged, yelled at the boy and kicked them out of the house. We've never spoken since. I partially blame the parents, since they couldn't be bothered to spot the warning signs and get him help. As bad as I felt for them, I refuse to endanger my children by allowing that monster-in-training back into my house.

/He will be a ward of the state.

SIL & BIL are the same; deny is wrong with clearly troubled 'bad seed' son. He just gets anxious, you know. Once he started hitting my kids, I was done. Haven't spoken to them in 3 years. Tough for my wife as it's her sister. We're all meeting up at grandma's funeral on Friday. Me and BIL are pallbearers. Bad seed will be there, as will 3 of my kids. Will be keeping eye on the bugger, regardless of his butthurt SIL & BIL get about it, as it's fairly obvious.

It makes the holidays quite stressful; I'm always watching him.


You have it much worse than we did. The couple we dealt with were some old friends of the wife - not family like your situation. The wife is really protective, so she cut ties without hesitation.

On the upside, we used it as a "teachable moment" and told the daughters that no matter what a man/boy says, if they lay a hand on you, don't give them a second chance. End it.

In your situation, all I can say is keep your eye on the little monster - because I'll wager he's just waiting for an opportunity.
 
2012-12-17 03:59:05 PM  

occamswrist: I was staying at my older brothers house a few ~7 years ago over the holidays and he had a couple over with their two small boys about 5-8 years old.

I'm in the basement and one kid comes down and is standing there just staring at me with these cold eyes. I stared back.

He reaches over and without saying a word grabs the foam of a mattress propped against the wall and tears a chunk off. I say to him "hey don't do that."

He looks at me and keeping eye contact reaches over and grabs another piece and pulls it off, still staring at me. I'm like what the fark is this kids deal?

Turns out when his parents make him eat food he doesn't like to eat he'll put it in his mouth but then not chew or swallow it and then many minutes later spit it out.

Kids gonna kill one day...


Were they like a doll's eyes?
 
2012-12-17 03:59:17 PM  
Seems like all of these shootings take place in areas where the shooter knows no one is armed.

Continue...
 
2012-12-17 03:59:18 PM  

relcec: Marine1: TwistedFark:


In their defense, Brits don't like Mondays.
 
2012-12-17 04:00:06 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It would be interesting to see the % of murders by firearm committed by those of Anglo descent in the United States. I'd be willing to bet it's equal to that of the UK.




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2012-12-17 04:00:31 PM  

olddinosaur: I think the opposite is true: He picked a school deliberately because he knew there would be no guns there.


The whole, "Spree shootings take place where there are no guns allowed. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!" hypothesis is utterly farktarded. Spree killings take place where there are lots of potential victims. The vast majority of those places don't allow guns. If you've mentally signed signed up for drilling a few rounds into a kindergarten class before eating a bullet yourself, whether or not there might be a gun on a premises is probably not a major point for consideration.

This kid was not about to say, "Gosh, I really WANT to shoot up a school, but what if someone else has a gun there? I might get hurt! Guess I'll go listen to Linkin Park and cut myself instead."
 
2012-12-17 04:02:04 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It would be interesting to see the % of murders by firearm committed by those of Anglo descent in the United States. I'd be willing to bet it's equal to that of the UK.


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/ Other demographic factors aside, I suspect that if you look at working or trying-to-work, law-abiding, non-drug-using victims, the murder rate is surprisingly similar for them across countries, too. Don't start no shiat, won't be no shiat.
 
2012-12-17 04:02:08 PM  

BronyMedic: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It would be interesting to see the % of murders by firearm committed by those of Anglo descent in the United States. I'd be willing to bet it's equal to that of the UK.



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Sadly, he might not be off.

Then again, it wouldn't be because of some genetic predisposition to violence, but instead, cultural or socio-economic causes. Poor people cause and put up with more crime. African-American and Hispanic populations are, on the whole, poorer than Anglo-Americans.
 
2012-12-17 04:03:01 PM  

skylabdown: Seems like all of these shootings take place in areas where the shooter knows no one is armed where people congregate for everyday activities.

Continue...

 

If I'm gonna shoot up a bunch of people, I go where the people are.
 
2012-12-17 04:03:21 PM  

olddinosaur: Besides, what makes you think you need a gun to kill people? Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters. The Nazis used cyanide. The Bolsheveks and the Red Chinese used slow starvation. Jack the Ripper used a straight razor. The Boston Strangler used a rope.


But Adam Lanza didn't choose fertilizer, box cutters, cyanide, slow starvation, straight razors, or a rope to kill his victims. He instead chose a weapon that would allow him to face and kill as many people as possible in just minutes.

Assault weapons simply do the job best. See you at the next spray fest! mow 'em down! woohoo, yeah America!
 
2012-12-17 04:03:52 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: the money is in the banana stand: SuperNinjaToad: I hate to say it BUT some humans CANNOT be rehabilitated.. at least not at this point in time with with our current level of medical technology... maybe in the future someone creates a pill or medication etc BUT not today.

These folks unfortunately poses a real and serious threat to society and as inhumane as it sounds MUST be locked up for good.

When you have reach a point in your morality or mental state where you can comfortably look down the barrel of an AR-15 lines it up to the head of a young girl or boy about 6 or 7 years old who is crying in fear.. perhaps even asking you to not kill him or his kindergarden friends because they have Christmas presents waiting for them under the tree.... and then proceed to squeeze the trigger, watch her little head explode, her tiny body sprawled on the floor, blood all over the classroom, and on other small kids... and to repeat it 19 more times, aiming, squeezing, killing even more small children covering in the small corner... I think it is safe to assume you've long passed the point of rehabilitation.

These folks needs to be identified, studied and if deemed un-rehabilitated locked up for good.

How do you propose going about doing this? How do you deem someone unable to be rehabilitated? So do we make it mandatory for every child to undergo psychiatric evaluations at set intervals in their lives? This sounds like an enormous undertaking (expense) with a ton of holes in it. At what point do you go "Gee Billy is kind of weird" to "Billy will be locked up for life" BEFORE Billy does anything other than exhibit signs of escalation in their destructive behavior which could spiral out of control and end up in something like this? There are PLENTY of kids I knew growing up that were weird as hell but are fine now/ There are also plenty of kids that seemed completely normal and now have either killed themselves or someone else. Sometimes you just can't stop things from happe ...


My fear is that the quiet kid who gets picked on is ousted as "weird" and undergoes evaluations that tell him he is crazy and is prescribed medications that alter his behavior to the point where normal ceases to exist and he ends up going on a spree. My little brother was prescribed meds because the doctors thought he was having panic attacks and depressed. The drugs visibly altered his chemistry to the point where he couldn't really have a normal social life and was unable to hold a job. It wasn't him but the medications and terrible doctors. Since switching medications for a vitamin B12 deficiency, he is completely back to normal. Seeing him on those medications previously though, wow man. I didn't even recognize the person he was. That is more scary than someone's raw personality.
 
2012-12-17 04:04:23 PM  

Casey Anthony: olddinosaur: Besides, what makes you think you need a gun to kill people? Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters. The Nazis used cyanide. The Bolsheveks and the Red Chinese used slow starvation. Jack the Ripper used a straight razor. The Boston Strangler used a rope.

But Adam Lanza didn't choose fertilizer, box cutters, cyanide, slow starvation, straight razors, or a rope to kill his victims. He instead chose a weapon that would allow him to face and kill as many people as possible in just minutes.

Assault weapons simply do the job best. See you at the next spray fest! mow 'em down! woohoo, yeah America!


Then take care of the Adam Lanzas of the world. Doesn't seem like a hard concept to grasp...
 
2012-12-17 04:04:41 PM  

olddinosaur: I think the opposite is true: He picked a school deliberately because he knew there would be no guns there.


As gently as I can say it... you're a farking lunatic. I can sit by for your thinly veiled racist bullshiat. I can be quiet when you deliver financial 'advice' with the savvy of someone who gained all their knowledge from am radio screamers. But now you are claiming to know the rationale of a mentally ill person and why they chose a school. Somehow twisting the target into a bizarre pro-gun talking point. So I'll say it again - you are a lunatic.
 
2012-12-17 04:05:15 PM  

dericwater: Private_Citizen: AbbeySomeone: trivial use of my dark powers: I know a kid who's around 7 years old now. He's going to keep trophies of his victims one day. I suspect their ears. I'm dead serious--the kid's just wrong, but what can we do? Shoot him in the head "just in case?"

If you spend time around kids or in a school you can spot these things, sometimes as young as 4. It's scary.
I had a neighbor boy like this. I'm surprised he made it to ten years old before being taken into custody.

My wife and I used to be friends with a couple that had a bad seed child. That child once tried to choke one of my daughters, who fought him off and told me. I was enraged, yelled at the boy and kicked them out of the house. We've never spoken since. I partially blame the parents, since they couldn't be bothered to spot the warning signs and get him help. As bad as I felt for them, I refuse to endanger my children by allowing that monster-in-training back into my house.

/He will be a ward of the state.

It's hard for parents to spot the warning signs. It's really a case of not seeing the forest because of the trees. You're living day in, day out with the child, you can't tell whether they're "normal" or "abnormal" because by default, whatever they're doing is normal. The child, too, is adjusting, and what was done one day isn't done anymore after a few days. For example, some kids always speak with a lisp, and then one day, the lisp disappears. Or some kids always grab their crotch. Then that habit disappears.


Perhaps it was hard for them to see the warning signs. With any luck, getting kicked out will make them re-asses the kid. But I doubt it.

In any case, I feel no need to allow the little demon to play with my children in the hope he will "grow out of it".
 
2012-12-17 04:05:53 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Either that, or he thought he'd logged onto Stormfront


how dare he post that stuff on fark, what was he thinking

he should feel bad about it
 
2012-12-17 04:06:25 PM  

Casey Anthony: olddinosaur: Besides, what makes you think you need a gun to kill people? Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer. The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters. The Nazis used cyanide. The Bolsheveks and the Red Chinese used slow starvation. Jack the Ripper used a straight razor. The Boston Strangler used a rope.

But Adam Lanza didn't choose fertilizer, box cutters, cyanide, slow starvation, straight razors, or a rope to kill his victims. He instead chose a weapon that would allow him to face and kill as many people as possible in just minutes.

Assault weapons simply do the job best. See you at the next spray fest! mow 'em down! woohoo, yeah America!


Can you imagine that kid showing up at the local fertilizer plant. 800 pounds of manure, please!
 
2012-12-17 04:08:06 PM  

had98c: skylabdown: Seems like all of these shootings take place in areas where the shooter knows no one is armed where people congregate for everyday activities.

Continue... 

If I'm gonna shoot up a bunch of people, I go where the people are.


CODE RED!!! CODE RED!!!
 
2012-12-17 04:08:58 PM  

occamswrist: had98c: skylabdown: Seems like all of these shootings take place in areas where the shooter knows no one is armed where people congregate for everyday activities.

Continue... 

If I'm gonna shoot up a bunch of people, I go where the people are.

CODE RED!!! CODE RED!!!


Ahhh crap they're on to me!
 
2012-12-17 04:08:59 PM  

Charlie Freak: I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but maybe there's a reason these kids are often the target of bullying. Perhaps that's our animal brain trying to distance the outsiders from the rest of the pack. Not saying they should be bullied, but maybe there's something subconscious about it


Just like how rape victims are asking for it, right?



No, seriously. Violent offenders were shown short clips of various people walking away from behind and they could ID the ones who had been raped/assaulted with near 100% accuracy. Some people are victims, some are predators. Plain and simple.

/Yet we still have to go through all this "everyone is equal" bullshiat when genetically it is not the case.
 
2012-12-17 04:09:07 PM  

BronyMedic: DoctorOfLove: One insurmountable problem (if it is a problem) is that these mass killings are in fact very rare (one or two in the US per year is much less than the number of shark attacks, lightning strikes, etc.). 300 million people, Two or so nut jobs a year. And the rate is declining, not rising. Thus, the number of apparently disturbed 19-25 year old boys is far higher than the number who actually do something like this. So if you started to lock up this group, you would have a 99% or higher false positive rate. There does seem to be a suspicious association with SSRI drugs. Some enterprising lawyer needs to target the drug companies over this. So perhaps we reduce the target wacko population by limiting it to weirdo boys between the ages of say 16 and 25 who are on SSRIs - perhaps if you are in this population you have to have all guns around you removed and be assigned a (more or less) parole officer for the duration. This would have identified the shooters in columbine, aurora, virginia tech - but the problem is it would also identify thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of boys in this group who were never going to go postal.

The problem is that you're going to have to be able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that A) SSRIs are directly or immediately contributing to the mass killings that have occurred in the United States, and abroad, and B) That the drug companies knew about this and kept them on the market or failed to take reasonable steps to mitigate or make aware of that risk.

Spree killings like this are complex and multi-factoral in their roots and nature, especially when they involve a history of mental illness separate from simply treating depression. I would challenge you, outside of Anti-Science Based Medicine and conspiracy theorist sources, to provide research that supports either claim.

/Disclaimer: ANY Psychiatric drug is dangerous, and should only be prescribed by an experienced and trained provider who is capable of closely monitoring ...


Preponderance, 51-49 in a civil lawsuit for damages, not beyond a reasonable doubt. And as to whether the drug companies have knowledge, well, let me google that for you..
 
2012-12-17 04:10:06 PM  
He was your typical over privileged Connecticut Honda driving vegan.
 
2012-12-17 04:10:08 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: BronyMedic: relcec: Britain

Despite relatively limited gun ownership and availability, Britain has experienced several mass shootings in the past 25 years.

Number of Murders in the United States in 2008: 15,241
Number of Murders in the UK in 2008: 648. (Since the UK's population is 1/5 of the United States, that's comparable to around 3.2K with our population)

Number of Murders by Firearm in the United States in 2008: 9481.
Number of Murders by Firearm in the UK in 2008: 39. Population equivalent of 195 murders.

Clearly the UK has devolved into a bastion of violence, mayhem, and murderous tyranny because of their legislation.

It would be interesting to see the % of murders by firearm committed by those of Anglo descent in the United States. I'd be willing to bet it's equal to that of the UK.


Although that will come off as somewhat of a racist statement, I think I know where you are going with that.

It does need to be pointed out that a large part of what is "gun crimes/deaths" in the U.S. is done in extremely poor neighborhoods, and is usually highly related to the illegal drug trade (whether because of committing a robbery for such purposes to buy drugs, or drug dealer turf wars, etc). And other than the occasional innocent bystander casualty (which is tragic), the persons involved are involved in the crime trade anyway, so the people not involved in those communities pretty much write those off as "their problem" (rightly or wrongly).

It is when it enters the "lily white suburbs" that "we" all panic. But, to be fair, they are two totally different issues, from a sociologic reason why they are happening.
 
2012-12-17 04:10:44 PM  
What about the other two shooters, though
 
2012-12-17 04:10:55 PM  
Do I dare put this here?
 
2012-12-17 04:11:41 PM  

dletter: brobdiggy: I'm generally libertarian and believe in individual rights for a person... but when can we say "enough is enough. Even though this kid hasn't broke the law yet, he will... and it will be bad when he does..." Sometimes one person just being alive and out in the open poses a huge cost (or risk) to others... infringing on their safety and happiness.

Read this story for instance. Doesn't part of you just want to say "We need to take this kid out before he takes 20 people out" ?? 

It's not about gun control. It's about mental health. To take it a step further, I wonder if it's about finding those people who will NEVER get better, no matter how much time, effort, money, medicine, and therapy we throw at them. I'll get flamed for this... but do we see a reason to keep those people (like in the linked story) around? Sometimes it's not their fault (bad parenting), but the result is the same... the person will end up dead or incarcerated, and who knows how many others killed before he got there.

I think a lot of us are saying that here... but, the other side of that is you are in a way putting somewhat of a "precrime" system in place.... since you are effectively putting people in a sort of "probation" (or worse) without having actually committed a crime yet. The issue is, what does it mean to be "anti-social".... There are plenty of people who are 'anti-social' who are not violent... they just don't like to talk to or interact people. "Hopefully", there are some other tendencies that show violence that also are apparent, but, I would guess that always isn't the case.

All of this above is a good part of the reason why nothing meaningful has been done yet... "Mental health" is NOT easy. But, that doesn't mean we can just throw our hands up in the air as a society either.


Sounds like a plan to me. People don't seem to have a problem demonizing lawful gun owners, why not go after the wierd goth kids too?
 
2012-12-17 04:12:01 PM  
Well at least the US excels in one area.

Too bad it's killing each other.

It's really too bad that's about all we got left. I mean besides demonizing/marginalizing the disadvantaged and being self-important. We're pretty good at that too.
 
2012-12-17 04:12:02 PM  
Charlie Freak: Was he? I'm not making a link between bullying as a causal factor in these types of shootings, I'm looking at bullying as more of a symptom of our built-in early detection system.


Bullies serve a real purpose as nature's way of correcting abberant behaviour. Anti-Bullying measures are counter-productive. Without a bully to make him conform, a misfit continues to wallow in his own misery. With a bully, the misfit is given hard and firm lessons about fitting into society.
 
2012-12-17 04:12:29 PM  

BronyMedic: Coco LaFemme: WTF? Was this shiat necessary? I think that guy was made fun enough in the original thread where he posted it, it's beyond farking stupid to keep bringing it up.

Blah blah blah, welcome to fark, yada yada yada. Just save it.

Because off color humor is the only way people like me can remain sane in the face of horrific tragedy such as this. That's why. If I never developed gallows humor as a coping mechanism, I would have probably ate a bullet a long time ago.


The EMS life. You know after a bad trauma italian food will be involved.
 
2012-12-17 04:14:31 PM  

Generation_D: The mom was an NRA'er and doomsday prepper.
The dad divorced the mom the same year she quit work to homeschool the eventual shooter.
The dad's a VP at Ernst and Young; the older brother "who was at work today!" misidentified by media as the shooter because of his emo tweets also works at Ernst and Young.

Typical clean cut suburban Americans, all.


Most who make to VP status in America are probably pretty dirty by definition.
 
2012-12-17 04:14:51 PM  

BronyMedic: relcec: Britain

Despite relatively limited gun ownership and availability, Britain has experienced several mass shootings in the past 25 years.

Number of Murders in the United States in 2008: 15,241
Number of Murders in the UK in 2008: 648. (Since the UK's population is 1/5 of the United States, that's comparable to around 3.2K with our population)

Number of Murders by Firearm in the United States in 2008: 9481.
Number of Murders by Firearm in the UK in 2008: 39. Population equivalent of 195 murders.

Clearly the UK has devolved into a bastion of violence, mayhem, and murderous tyranny because of their legislation.


Numbers useless without context before 2008 (and preferably after as well). If the murder rate stayed similar and only the ratio of those which were firearms dropped, then it makes quite a different point. Actually, comparing the US to the UK is not that useful to begin with, but UK from ~1996 - 2012 total murders and murders by firearm could be interesting though. You got those?
 
2012-12-17 04:15:17 PM  
Bullseyed Violent offenders were shown short clips of various people walking away from behind and they could ID the ones who had been raped/assaulted with near 100% accuracy. Some people are victims, some are predators. Plain and simple.

Doesn't prove much other than rapists can identify dat ass.
 
2012-12-17 04:15:54 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: I have been reading thousands of replies to a lot of gun control / mental health threads.

My wacky idea is mandatory brothel visits (state funded), for outsiders and wierdos. Get them laid on
a semi regular interval, and i bet a lot of the mass shootings will go away. (we still have the problem of
hooker killers, but maybe it we mandated threesomes, then it would be harder to get away with it, or something)


You might be joking, but I agree with this. I wonder how many of these kids that snap are actually freaking out because of deep pent up sexual frustration that has manifested in violence. Our society is built on the idea that to be a real man you have to be having as much sex with as many hot girls as possible. So, for those guys who were born less endowed (destroying their confidence) and those who are socially awkward, or really unattractive or whatever is blocking their ability to just get laid are convinced that they will never be a real man...it pisses them off, they can't control their sexual destinies, so they lash out in violence which gives them a sense of control and punishment at society for not including them in the game called love.
 
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